Maya Sharma of NDTV 24×7 has got somebody from Infosys to speak on an issue not involving Infosys. It's former chief financial officer and current HR veep, T.V. Mohandas Pai. And he has this to say on the stonewalling of the BMIC project:
"I think in this country we have to respect the rule of law. We have to respect a contract and once we sign a contract its sanctity must be upheld, otherwise we cannot build an open democratic society. I think all of us have a responsibility to make sure that whatever we say we honour and do things in a right manner."
Yes it is indeed news when we hear from an industry fellow speaking for a social cause. Is it not good that, industrialists use to speak in less heard media channels are now coming open and speaking about the social issues?
I suggest, we should hear more from junta about what they feel and if the junta includes men from industries, lets welcome. Buf if an industrialist has an hidden agenda while speaking about a social cause, then he is more of a politician than an industrialist.
Even vijaya mallya was speaking about it (is he from industry or hard core politician?)
Finally 9 kms out of 130 km is available for use (7%). hope to see 100%
I think Infosys has no moral right to speak on the present BMIC-NICE-STATE GOV Tangle.
Well most of the contracts after being signed suffer from accountability . Lot has been discussed in the Blog with lot of passion
on both pro and anti-NICE . I dont want to rake up another one( I am just being careful in my postings ) .
I can just ask one question to INFOSYS , they have gobbled up 1000’s of acres of land( Just like NICE) .I still find it hard to comprehend why so much of space is required .All that a Consultant requires is a 4′ X 8′ space to keep his legs and laptop/desktop .
What hidden agenda, Mohandas Pai can have in this issue, Mr Girish?
But unfortunately the Juntas who speak to the media are all inspired by people of Devegowda kind. Just listen to people who speak on BMIC, you would soon find out, who is behind them. Gowda instigates people telling them you and me never travel in a Toyota, and do we need a road of this kind? Poor junta believes, Gowda too travels on a bullock cart like them and start digging the Highways.
Unless the ‘real’ junta (including Industrialists, Software Engineers) wakes up to the issue, the country can not progress.
I completely agree with Mohandas Pai on the present comment. Let more of his tribe air their views.
If Dheerendra Gopal’s arguements are to be extended, the country of one billion people require only thirty two billion square feet of land. The rest of the land could be left untouched!
I think Dheerendra too has a fixation of anti-infy like Devegowda. I do not think Infy is getting the land free of cost. Like any one of us they too are buying the land at the market price. The only problem is when some one wants land of the order of 800 acres, Government is required to give permission for such sale. So Infy needs to be at the mercy of Government.
So the moral of the story is you dont need an international airport, you dont need corridor roads, you dont even need companies of infy kind … we just need devegowdas to enlighten (entertain?) us forever.
Umapathi , we are 3000 people working on a 10 acre Lot at Corporate headquarters of World No 1 Brand in a Major metropolis in US . I do know what space is
Why do Infy need a sprawling 300 acres for the same 3000 people .I fail to understand .If they need landscaped building , Open spaces ,entertainment centers etc etc . What about those small scale industries which employ 100times more people than Infy ? what about those industries where the backbone of Indian economy work ? They are not given that preferntial treatment by goverment . People work in cramped building in peenya industrial are and other industrail parks. Do you know the xports of these industries are more than the Software Industry combined?
10000 employees work in a twin building for Bell south .
More than 5000 work at a single office complex for AT&T.
Why does this guy murthy need 1000’s of acres ?? if Azim Premji wipro can work out of a rented office . if IBM can work of a building ?
If Intel or Oracle can do? why does this Guy Murthy need such sprawling campus ? Why doesnt guys like you see this .
Thats what was asked by DG why this treatment for one company?
This was all started by krishna and it has continued .
Adheno heltharalla ..Mukha Nodi maNe haakthare
I feel it is a bit of up bringing and a lot of daydreaming. Murthy studies in NIE/mysore and IIT’s with sprawling campus. Look at the Public sector’s HMT, BEL, ITI etc etc all have much more land in any single locations and what they have produced ? To day HMT is busy selling land to Prestige Builders to foot their monthly salary Bill. So if you can afford and have a dream and land is available then the question is why be jealous ?
The case of NICE is different. Here Kheny made use of his caste equations with JHP, BCP etc etc to wangle a deal which is a sell out. Here NICE wants to make money out of real estate and finance the Road Project and make much more to siphon away out of the country. If Kheny is allowed to make money and cross finance the Main project the same thing could have been done by Govt. Itself. Even the political schism currently visible also shows the caste bias. Yeddi, Rajashekar Murthy on one side DG and co on the other! So it is not political, divide but caste lines. People talk about honoring Agreement should see whether it was honestly made. It does not appear to be so! Even Supreme Court did not evaluate this point. With the right to information one can study the whole deal and see thro’ Kheny false brouhaha and expose the deal. One only needs journalist like Shourie and to expose the deal. Honestly such a breed has become mirage.
Jeevarathna..Agreed on your point on Kheney.
We have KP as Investigative Journalist why do we need a shourie..But his
supports seem to be for NICE project .
KP , Can you enlighten us and also expose ( not you) the NICE-BMIC ola Sanchu
Mr Gopal,
Infy’s Mr. Murthy has bought lands for Infosys, it is a Pubilic Company, you buy a few shares of Infy and hold on to it, if by any chance Infy is liquidated, you might get a square of land as per your share value.
In the part of the world where you work has more land than living beings, land does not have much value and is owned by govts federal/state. In our part we have more people than land, everyone wants it and Mr HDD thinks he should be a part of every deal (lucky he did not get into my land deal in Mysore eventhough I am Software Man).
Gentlemen it is economics and dreams come to true for Infy people, everybody wants a lush green scenic office campus so that they can relax and work, try to be in your 4 x 6 cubicle glued to the monitor without any windows and only artficial climate and see where you will reach, then you will know what to say, do not write just for the sake of writing, please be sensible and make people interesting to come back to this site.
KP Churumuri I guess is loosing, you know WHAT I don’t have to say
Shivu ,My friend My question why only Infy takes such huge masses of land. Why not others ? IBM ,Accenture ,Intel,SAP are bigger companies too
If my questions are just for sake of writing . Let me stop from further writing
quoting shivu,
"…In the part of the world where you work has more land than living beings, land does not have much value and is owned by govts federal/state. In our part we have more people than land,…."
isnt that all the more reason to make more judicious use of the land in India? you yourself concede there is not enough land, how then can any govt justify doling out hundreds of acres of prime land at dirt cheap rates to anybody and everybody?
as a tax paying citizen, I am being cheated. All these days it was just the Deve Gowdas and jayas and karunanidhis cheating me, now the murthys and premjis are joining in. b*******. politicians can only be as corrupt as the businessmen.
Like Gandhi once said, "there is enuf for everyone's need not for everyone's greed"…
even the Microsoft and Google offices in the US are probably smaller than the Infy and Wipro offices. So who are you kidding?
Each time Pai opened his mouth he had landed his boss Murthy and Infy in trouble…Pai dosent know when to shut up.
Pai and his ilk should first read the contract and then comment..if implemented in toto Kheny can take BLR by its balls..just because some sucker of a politician signed the deal writing off the lands in BLR as though they belong to his family…does not mean we protest it..
Infy and Pai seemed to have developed a habit of commenting on issues that they have no clue what so ever.
RESPONSE WITH SOME AMENDS
Each time Pai opened his mouth he had landed his boss Murthy and Infy in trouble…Pai dosent know when to shut up.
Pai and his ilk should first read the contract and then comment..if implemented in toto Kheny can take BLR by its balls..just because some sucker of a politician signed the deal writing off the lands in BLR as though they belong to his family…does not mean we dont protest it and accept it like slaves
Infy and Pai seemed to have developed a habit of commenting on issues that they have no clue what so ever..
RESPONSE WITH SOME CHANGES
Each time Pai opened his mouth he had landed his boss Murthy and Infy in trouble…Pai dosent know when to shut up.
Pai and his ilk should first read the contract and then comment..if implemented in toto Kheny can take BLR by its balls..just because some sucker of a politician signed the deal writing off the lands in BLR as though they belong to his family…does not mean we dont protest it and accept it like slaves
Infy and Pai seemed to have developed a habit of commenting on issues that they have no clue what so ever..
KP and his friends might wonder ,how come there are so many who support
DG and HDK in taking head on ‘the Kheney’.
infosys has no right to speak on this issue. they one of the biggest land grabbers in india. topline, bottomline, net profit are their only concern.they have even opposed empowerment of downtrodden,obc’s. first let come out clean on land acquisition charges and give advice. whats the percentage of kannadigas in the company in bangalore and mangalore, very minimum. they even joined hands with a corrupt party like congress to expand their empire.
it is really shameful that corporates with help of politicians are exploiting ,ruining our democracy
Dr Ramesh said
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….whats the percentage of kannadigas in the company in bangalore and mangalore, very minimum….”
Mr Ramesh,
1.I am a Bangalorean kannadiga.
2.I find it hard to beleive that an educated member like u still wants to have jobs based on a person’s domicile status.
3.My point is,if a person is qualified enuff , he/she will find a job wherever he wants to.There is no point in bringing this “count the bangaloreans in a company blah blah” . Do they have an anti-Bangalore Hiring policy??
4.Lest u think I am being anti-Bangalore or somesuch,lemme just say that maybe the percentage is less because we bangaloreans being smart as we are ,are all abroad ..:P
The whole discussion and debate is getting ‘misplaced’.
Why should not Mohandas Pai speak against ‘contractual obligations’, as a citizen of this country and a responsible business executive?
If the discussion is around Business Ethics, I think Infy stands far ahead of any other Indian company. Just remember how Reliance used to meddle during Mahajan days.
As far as the reservation quota in private enterprise, even Premji has refused to accept. Then why only pin down Narayana Murthy?
I do not why there is sudden ‘anti-pathy’ over corporates speaking on any issues. Are we so happy with DKShi, HDD, Dharmsingh, Kharge, Bangarappa etal… ? Show me one politician who has not grabbed land. Infy is generating more employment than the government, while politicians are creating more wealth for their family.
off late, infy and congress are getting ever closer, they share a very good rapport. it was also said that during s.m. krishna’s misrule, infy managers virtually remote controlled the government. they should stop taking the moral high ground, and mind their own business.
libran,
respect ur thoughts, whether iam educated or uneducated , i am a kannadiga. seeing the LINGUISTIC RACISM is software companies in bangalore , anti- kannada feelings of these companies one feels sad about state of affairs. satyam in hyderabad has more than 85% local population,cognizant and polaris in chennai has more than 90% localites, whats wrong in asking jobs for meritorious kannadigas
saying doing rouds,
deserving venkatesha – no job
add n venkateshan – definite yes.
Dont understand why Dheerendra has not can’t take out some time and investigate the asset holdngs of Wipro, IBM. I have not done so, but I dont think they are dumb! Do you know the land holdings of McDonald?
KP, Now you should agree that this ‘hate mail’ culture is a result of your Murthy Angadi. Could you enlighten me on how it all started? It looks like all destitutes and techies like Dheerandra Gopal working in some other sys co, having a grudge!
And all native B*s**rds: talk about merit. Once Narayan Murthy came knocking doors selling infosys shares. Now should he again come knocking looking for lost Kannadigas?
The good news is: I hold 28 infosys shares! And I read their Annual report! After all it’s an Indian co. and they were very true to say they would invest more in neighbouring states than ungrateful Bangalore!
Now i am finding it hard to recognize the native Karnataka in bangalore. I suggest: Let ’em drill a hole in their forehead. or ?
It is Okay.
@ dr ramesh,
See,u ask a kind of a reservation for meritorious kannadigas.
Can u see the delicious paradox in ur request?
If the ppl are meritorious,they dont need reservation, do they?
If ppl arent meritorious,they dont deserve the job.
Checkmate?
@star,
1 . Congrats on u holding 28 shares.If someone makes a hostile take over bid of infy,I am sure ur shares will be of the greatest value.
2.It is unbecoming of any sane person to call others b******.
Just because someone did not buy shares doesnt make em a bas****,just like how u owning 28 shares doesnt not make u a b*****.
And no,if u recognise a smart AND a cultured person on the roads,chances are he is a kannadiga.
3.Stupidity is not a crime.So u are acquitted.
dear All (especially Libran)
I take back my b**** words but I stand by the statements i made
oh oh……U r so insecure….whatever be the issue you guys end up in Kannada and protecting Kannada. Linguistic policing. Just hate it.
Do you have anything to say on Brain Drain? people like DG (I think he’s in US) getting the status of a ‘coolie’ and then showing rage over an Indian Company? Never mind..leave the recruitment etc to market forces. That’s it. According to you smarter and polite people should not find it difficult to get into their dream company. If not they get frustrated and talk about reservation. Space required for a consuntancy etc etc.
move on ..
dear All (especially Libran),
I take back my b**** words but I stand by the statements i made
oh oh……U r so insecure….whatever be the issue you guys end up in Kannada and protecting Kannada. Linguistic policing. Just hate it.
Do you have anything to say on Brain Drain? people like DG (I think he’s in US) getting the status of a ‘coolie’ and then showing rage over an Indian Company? Never mind..leave the recruitment etc to market forces. That’s it. According to you smarter and polite people should not find it difficult to get into their dream company. If not they get frustrated and talk about reservation. Space required for a consuntancy etc etc.
move on ..
@moderators,
Plz remove the offensive words .
@Star,
* There wasn’t nothing personal with me taking my stand.
* Insecurity,hmm,where have I have heard that word before ?
* If it looked like I took to linguistic policing( what the hell does it mean anyway? ) its because of your suspiciously crafted statement
…”Now i am finding it hard to recognize the native Karnataka in bangalore. I suggest: Let ‘em drill a hole in their forehead. or ? ”
What was the purpose of that statement ,I cudnt comprehend?
*And that part where u said “smarter,cultured people should not find it difficult..” ,yes,I agree,refer to my views on reservation on the basis of domicile for it.
*Brain Drain,no comments.I am def not a part of it ( I am a student for heaven’s sake).Any good CAT training institute shud coach their students on such topics.
@dr ramesh,
While I definitely respect ur views on reservations based on domicile status,allow me to state that,since such a hiring policy is inherently flawed , it will defeat itself ,albeit slowly.
A quote
“globalization as sourcing material from where it is cheapest, talent from where it best available, producing where it is most cost-effective, and selling where the markets are—without being constrained by national boundaries.”
4.Lest u think I am being anti-Bangalore or somesuch,lemme just say that maybe the percentage is less because we bangaloreans being smart as we are ,are all abroad ..:P
You said it!!
I comment when the full circle is completed whenever any issue ends in ‘Kannada’. Maybe use of strong words may enrage these dumbs. But I dont care.
One talks about oneself, own language etc when insecurity sets in! any doubt?
And……anything on Infosys is a news item for churumuri!! Have you thought why?
kannada infosys kannada has kannada no kannada right kannada to kannada speak kannada on kannada this kannada issue. kannada they kannada one kannada of kannada the kannada biggestkannada land grabbers in india. topline, bottomline, net profit are their only concern.tkannada hey have even opposed empowerment of downtrodden,obc’s. first let come out clean on land acquisition charges and give advice. whats the percentage of kannadigas in the company in bangalore and mangalore, very minimum. they even joined hands with a corrupt party like congress to expand their empire.
it is really shameful that corporates with help of politicians are exploiting ,ruining our democracy
We are not arguing on Company Policy of giving equal opputunities to every meritorious and deserving Individual .
Dr.Ramesh was talking about the general trend of ‘How many Kannadigas’ would be there in a company in Bangalore . Not many…
It is the HR department which hires …I bet Narayanmurthy wouldnt care and check how many Kannadigas/Tamil/mallus get inducted .
I have witnessed SATYAM has majority Telugus . Wipro has Majority Tamils
Infosys has majority North indians / Tamils .
One time BFL/Kshema had majority Kannadigas .Cognizant has Majority Tamils .
My humble request to all my ‘Kannadiga friends’ .
Anna Thammindira , Please can you check who heads these HR department ?? and who their recruiters are?? PLEASE CHECK .
We(Kannadigas) always think we are educated and we need to be secular,blanced and all our comments should not be racist etc etc
because namma Vidhyege bele Kodbeku .
Kanditha . We have to give bele to knowledge when it comes to Humanity,Politeness etc etc .
But friends , think for a moment as Kannadigas .There are equal/more Kannadigas who graduate from engineering colleges than any southern state . Why is it that we are under represented? Trust me we dont lack knowledge or wisdom for the kind of work .
One of friend claims ‘He has shares in Infosys’ with all respect so what???
Have you helped any deserving ‘KANNADIga secure a JOB in the place you work ??? Well I have done .( I am not boasting I am proud to have done ) . I placed many north kannada friends 10 years back when I was in hyderabad . When I used to take Interview , Abhimaandhindha nanna yedhe Ubbathithu when ever I used to see a deserving Kannadiga seeking a JOB .
Here in US I conduct free training of a Particular Software for members of my Kannada Sangha during weekend. I am not again telling to Boast but please do whatever you can to our fellow friends .
I used to see the same kind of camaradrie in Wipro among the Tamil guys . All said and done this is the kind of thing that is happening in IT industry . I had to do because there was under representation of Kannadigas in our company .
Recently couple of friends funded a drive by some friends in bangalore to conduct training at Sahitya parishat for all deserving Kannadigas through KRV ( Karnataka rakshana vedike ) .The Candidates were provided questionnaire and a seminar held to provide them TIPS to come out successful in Interviews .
Instead of making comments against each other and among ourselves .
Lets join hands in this initiative . whereever you are and if you know a deserving kannadiga .please help him get a JOB.Provide him all Tips .
Hi Dheerendra,
you are reserving your comments on the backlash Indians working abroad (particularly in US) are facing from natives. There is no end. If speaking same language makes ’em ‘brothers and sisters’ then one can also help others based on caste and creed.
In my company, we recruit those who know more than 1 regional language. It so happens that majority from Karnataka know only Kannada. Not any other regional language making ’em unfit for marketing jobs.
and while hiring if I ask ’em prefered places of posting: Bangalore or mysore! If I ask ’em Bellary (!!) their expression is where the hell is that on map!!?
More and more efforts are made to group on base of language, origin , religion, we only become laughing stock in front of others.
So my simple suggestion is: Leave it to market forces.
not much comments on the real issue:
Maya Sharma of NDTV 24×7 has got somebody from Infosys to speak on an issue not involving Infosys. It’s former chief financial officer and current HR veep, T.V. Mohandas Pai. And he has this to say on the stonewalling of the BMIC project:
“I think in this country we have to respect the rule of law. We have to respect a contract and once we sign a contract its sanctity must be upheld, otherwise we cannot build an open democratic society. I think all of us have a responsibility to make sure that whatever we say we honour and do things in a right manner.”
Hey, Mohandas Pai as a private citizen has made a general statement that Contracts should be honoured and all that blah. Infy has not made any official statement on this nor does it need to. Why drag the company into this?
thumba santosha, nimmanthavara sankhye jasti agbeku.
@thewriterwhowrotethisarticle ,
*This discussion is going way off-topic and I do beleive it was the topic itself causing this.
Why the damn shud one be fretting if infy raises its voice on a non-infy issue? Businessmen exist to think for their own company(ies),developing their business and therefore contributing to the economy and its people.
The damn politicians we elect shud be taking care of its people,not some company.Did infy promise they will look after the infrastructure and all the people ?Just because someone expects or gets the notion that they shud,its absurd to expect them to do so.
Get thee a life , other than ranting about the so-called Murthy Angadi.
Or atleast make ur stand clear.Do u want infy to shut up or do u want them to stand up for every social cause?
@star1 aka star ( I think)
*Yes.My point number 4 in my comment was made to allay any doubts of anti-kannadiga sentiments from my part and not insecurity or some such inane reason.
*When u say something against (say a place) X,u will be branded anti-X whatever ur reason was.I suggest u do that in chennai or maharashtra and get back to me.
I’m sitting in Mysore boss. Just came back after a tea. You know 99% of tea shops in Mysore are owned by Marvadis. We should help a Kannadiga to set up a tea shop as well ( going by Dheerendra’s advice).
All I have to say is leave it to market forces. If I am allowed to recruit I will give only second preference to my siblings. and leave it to others in the board to make the decision.
and you can say ‘damn politicians’. I dont know whether you vote or not. But come out with an alternative to ‘damn politicians’!!
When it comes to Infy, it is generally the story of sour grapes. Some people just cant stand the success as they did not get a piece of the pie. Infosys is not just bangalore. they are in 8 other places in india, to attract local talent. Karnataka is the only state where they have presence in three cities… reason cant be anything other than to attract local talent. They were the first IT company to set up shop in remote places Mangalore and Mysore…
It is a myth that Wipro, TCS dont have campuses like Infosys. they all do, and equally large. this is in addition to several rented buildings.
Lets not get into debating why IT companies require such large spaces… someone has already mentioned industres from other sectors having townships – TATAs, HMT, Godrej, BEML, BEL, ONGC, etc. etc. all have full fledged town ships… Recently Reliance acquired thousands of acres of land in Haryana and Punjab. Mr Ambani is even proposing building his own private cargo airport and powerplant within the haryana SEZ. why does he have to do it? isnt it government responsibility to provide uninterrupted power and infrustructure like airports and roads? isnt he wasting the land by building these himself… Well…common sense tells that you cant rely on govt if you want to succeed in business. if this holds good for Ambani, it holds good for Murthy, Premji also. Like Mr Ambani feels it necessary to have his own airport, IT industry needs its own powerplant, dormetory, play area, hospital, gym, swimming pool etc. because the only macheniry this industry depends on is human brain, and anything to keep the brain active and fresh is a necessacity for the business.
How conveniently people forget the philanthropic work being done by Infosys trust… to provide mid-day meal for over 3 lakh children, provide library’s for several thousand schools, tsumani aid, earthquake aid…
I summary, infosys becomes the target because of its astounding success without much contribution from govt. machinery.
This success of IT industry has brought a few bad things to bangalore is true… the rents have gone up, traffic situation is horrible and it has made life miserable for people who are not benifiting directly or indirectly by IT industry. and they will feel “sour grapes” syndrome. It is equally true that this industry has indirectly employed several lakhs of people.
Coming to the Gowda family, it is a known fact that his a one of the biggest land sharks around. he wanted the international airport to come up in Ramnagara (south of bangalore) and in anticipation of that he bought thousands of acres of land there. But it turned out that the airport is coming up in devanahalli (north of bangalore). So he did everything to stall or delay the project so that he gets enough time to acquire land in that area. He did the same with Arkavathi layout, Metro rail project… and BMIC is no exception…. all to protect his own interests. in the recent past several news papers have brought to light the fact that deve gowda and his family owns hundreds of acres of land around BMIC. I am sure this is only a tip of the iceburg and he is sure to have few thousand acres more benaami property there… They are using government machinery for family business.
Someone mentioned that supreme court overlooked certain aspects of BMIC and allowed Kheny to acquire excess land. are you saying supreme court is party to corruption and passed a judgement against a state government? you mean “AGAINST STATE GOVT? and no one raised an eyebrow against the judgement? do you think it is possible? I am sure you were kidding.
-SJ
Today I was talking to one of the recruiters in Infosys.
The %age of kannadigas is only 3% and mostly controlled by HR managers.
whenever they go for campus recruitment ..each HR manager gives preferance to his language ..suppose a Tamil Manager goes to a campus he recruits whole sale tamilians and sameway North Indians.
The left outs kannadigas dont find employment anywhere .
Infosys never goes to any Uttarakannada engg colleges for recruitment .
and you must be well aware this time Ugadhi was not declared a Holiday by Infosys whereas Chandramana Ugadhi was declared to facilitate the Tamilains
to celebrate festivals.
why doesnt churumuri start a Campaign against these policies and
make sure it reaches the right people ????
Is it wrong to ask fair representation?
I absolutely agree with Mr. Pai. If the project is implemented as per the contract, infy will lose its campus. It falls right on the approved road alignment.