SUMA RAMANNA writes from Madras: Can we not survive in modern India without being able to speak English fluently? This was the question that came to my mind when I was watching India 60 Minutes on NDTV 24×7 two nights ago.
Barkha Dutt was discussing the issue of a girl who was denied admission to the prestigious Delhi Public School (DPS) in the capital in spite of scoring 97.6 per cent marks in her CBSE examinations.
The only crime—yes, the only crime—of the precocious girl in the eyes of DPS was that she was not fluent in speaking English. Although she had sailed through her entrance exam, she failed in the interview because she didn’t know how to speak in English.
Question No. 1: Why one should know how to speak English to get into a school to study 11th standard?
Question No. 2: If the student doesn’t know how to speak English, what is the school for if can’t teach her the required skills?
If someone was hiring the student for a job and her English skills were found to be lacking, I could have understood. But for admission to a school at the 11th standard? This is discrimination, plain and simple.
Idhu yava seeme nyaya, swami?
Saviraru varushadinda naavu kalitha bashegintha ee bashe yaake ashtu pramukha annisutha-idhe eega?
Yes, it’s a globalised world, and our English-speaking skills are a major draw. But when Russians can speak only Russian and survive, when the French speak only French and survive, why cannot we?
When the Spanish mostly Hispanic even in the United States why cannot we speak Hindi or Kannada or Tamil or Telugu or Oriya or Assamese without being condemned, decried, despised, frowned upon and sniggered at?
Why are we in such awe of English?
Why are we such slaves to it?
Please don’t mistake me. I am not against learning English. I believe it has its uses. But I also believe we are doing ourselves—and our culture and our languages—a great disservice with this maddening vyamoha for it.
A language should be helping us, not the other way round. Here, on the other hand, we have made it our fulltime occupation to protect, preserve, promote and project English at the expense of every other language.
Whereever you go, to get a job, to be part of any elite group, etc, it has become de rigueur to know English. Or else, be ready to face the humiliation!
What can be more humiliating than to be treated with disdain for loving and knowing and speaking your mother tongue?
What can be more humiliating than to be a slave of a language left behind by our colonial masters?
And a slave of our own people at that?
This discrimination doesn’t stop between English speakers and non-English speakers. The divisions go deeper down, between convent English and normal English.
I have seen people whose written English is good but who cannot verbalise properly. The other category is of those who speak English fluently without any flaws but cannot write without spelling and grammatical mistakes.
So, I again ask: just because we do not know how to speak a foreign language should we be deprived of all the opportunities in life in democratic India?
Don’t we have any future without English?
Is an Indian without English just a big zero?
Is an Indian who cannot speak English automatically lacking in other skills?
I strongly feel that we should give importance to the creativity or the intelligence of the person rather than just his English speaking ability or inability. English should be treated as one of the languages but not as the only language on earth.
Also see: Why are we so lacking in swabhimana?
Who else can Post this Topic if not SUMA , Thanks to her .Thanks to KP for putting on Churumuri .
modhaLane guru Thaayi . Maneyalli Muguvige yaavaga naavu ‘Mummy’ Daddy’ anniskoLo vyamooha hogothe allivarege yee peede thappidhalla .
Bangalore sumaaru shaaLenalli ‘Kannada’ maathnaadidre ‘Fine/Danda’ theth bekaguthe .
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Just because we do not know how to speak a foreign language should we be deprived of all the opportunities in life in democratic India?
No. But why do you consider Delhi Public School is the only opportunity and end of all opportunities in life for a 11th Standard Girl? Do you mean to say she can live in democratic India without studying at DPS. The world (as well as India) is BIG as well the opportunities available.
Don’t we have any future without English?
It depends on what we want. As such as a country we do not have a common national language. Even between the neighbouring states (at Bangalore, even between neighbours) we need an intermediate language, the most accepted one being English. Depending on what kind of future we are looking into, English is required only to that extent.
Is an Indian without English just a big zero?
No way. One can be a bigger zero with English too. We have enough choices to live with or without English.
Is an Indian who cannot speak English automatically lacking in other skills?
Not at all. Speaking English is also one of the skills. And one can not make a living with only one skill. Excelling in other skills, along with an English speaking skill, can make us little more comfortable.
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idhu ondu tharaha kastada issue … cant even decide on what my position on the issue should be, not that I hate kannada , nor have i stopped talking, thinking in kannada
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‘Vote Padeyalu kannadigaru Beku , praMana Vachana sweekarisaLu kannada bedave?’ ..Idhu Pamplet ( kara Patra) moolaka kelidha prashnae
Jameer Ahmedge . Ninnae Vidhana sabheyalli kelavu KRV sadasyaru
kara patra gaLannu gyallery yindha thhoridharu .
karaNa: namma Manya mantri jameer ahmed ravru Englishnalli pramaNa vachana sweekarisidharu .
Yee Prashne Nyaya badha vagidhe allave?
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Dont get me wrong but B M Shri’s English Geetegalu is the benchmark of Navodaya poetry in Kannada. Learning English sheerly for the sake of learning the language of Austen and Dickens and Wodehouse is what should be the intent. Instead we have this Delhi Public School (what a stupid sounding name BTW) saying they are not impressed- much like Queen Victoria would say she was not amused. Who are these idiots to evaluate anybodys language skills- possibly they are impressed by the language used by students in the MMSs they send around of each other. soory about the last thing but I couldnt resist it and these idiots make me so mad- damn,
Batthini
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I think following Points are relevant while discussing this ‘MALA THAI DHORANE’ .
1.Every Language is important and ought to be respected .Imagine life without Language be it Kannada or English .
2.When Kannada is Mother toungue of karnataka , Kannadigas should hold their heads high while speaking in Kannada .There is no second thought w.r.t this . Please read my experience when I visited India Last year .
I walked into the ICICI bank ,Malleswaram . when I reached the counter ,I asked the person a question regarding a transaction in ‘Kannada’.
Counter Guy : Sir, I dont know kannada .I cant answer please see my supervisor .( his badge read his origan from Orissa ..I dont blame him)
I saw his supervisor : and asked him the same question in ‘Kannada’.
He said he doesnt speak kannada ( he was some Bhattacharjee) and called the Manager .
The Manager cameout .I had lost my cool by this time .I asked my question in Kannada and continued ‘ Nimma Bank malleswaradhalli idhe
nimge yaargu kannada baralla ..hege customers na serve maadtheera’
He( Some Balasubramanium ) replied in English ‘Sir, all our new staff dont know Kannada (Including himself) ..You have a NRI account ,You can as well ask in English .
all our learned friends here in Churumuri .
1.Who is to be blamed here ?The ICICI or the staff .
2.Arent there educated Kannadigas around in karnatake who can qualify for this Job?
3. isnt it the responsibility of every company ( be it Local or Global ) to ensure that the have staff who can serve customer of that region in the 4.local language .
or is it that Kannadigas have become Anglecized ( not sure of spelling) that Companies dont see any reason to serve in Local Language .
I went to Chennai the following week and visited an ICICI branch. trust me there was nothing ENGLISH there . I could see young staff moving around and serving customers in TAMIL.
More to follow….
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What makes the DPS feel that a child who scored 97.5% in CBSE won’t improve her English speaking skill? As her marks indicate her English reading and writing skills along with her IQ must have been above average if not exceptional. But then probably her accent may not have been ‘Amerikan’ or ‘English’ according to DPS. And in our India accent matters, not one abilities in reading writing or comprehension.
When we talk about knowledge of English, we talk about accent, syntax and pronunciation. After listening to ‘English discussions’ by the educated and elite in the numerous Indian language channels one gets the feeling that every region has its own ‘English’ . So we have ‘Malayalam English’, ‘Kannada English’, ‘Tamil English’, ‘Hindi English and Hinglish’, ‘Punjabi English’ and Bengali English’. It is the case else where in the world as well. Still, we the proud Indian, is happy pointing fingers at each other for his/her wrong accent, pronunciation and syntax of the ‘Queen’s English’ while remaining blissfully ignorant of his/her mother tongue.
How many of us know the names of all the Janapita Award winning authors of our own mother tongue? How many of us know how many alphabets are there in our own mother tongue? Especially those of us who insists that shop boards should be 75% in our mother tongue. How many mother tongue books we read/buy in a year?
But coming to English, we know all about English better than the ‘English’.
Is there a home without an English dictionary? But how many homes have a dictionary of their mother tongue?
Some time back when NTR was the CM of Andhra Pradesh, two ’eminent journalists’ were seen discussing the English syntax of NTR. Was NTR elected for his popularity in a Telugu speaking ares or his English speaking ability? If he was speaking English in the wrong syntax, was it not because these eminent educated jouralists have no grasp of NTRs language? I was of the opinion that NTR should have used and interpreter insted of trying to talk to this ‘Indian journalists’ in their adopted language. One complaint against the present Kerala CM is that he is not fluent in English. And to counter the critics, poet Surraiyya (Kamala Das) volunteered to be his interpreter.
We are still weighed down by our former colonial masters baggage and we are proud of it, unfortunately!
May be it is not easy to get rid off the effects of 150 years of slavery.
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at least we can sponsor “learn Kannada in 30 days” books to all those ICICI staff, wait for 30 days and then check whether they have learnt Kannada
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Isnt it presumptious that NRIs should speak English- what if I were of Indian origin and working in Europe or South America or horror of horrors Africa (unbeleivable- I wonder if this place will ever have a disc. on how horribly rascist we become with relation to people of African Origin)- silly buggers at the ICICI bank and their ilk- that is why despite all the bad service and all that I still have account at SBM and Canara bank.
Batthini or Arrivederci
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DG anna ur right Ihave also come across this experience. Here phone calls from banks are also in Tamil (where as those from call centres I think But any where else in the country one has to be perfect in English to get ajob i n call center.) The other experience is of my mama in Mysore with ICICI bank only. He wnated some information from the bank in Mysore so he called the bank and spoke in Kannada the girl attending the cal was unable to answer and asked tro speak in english. He became furious and refused to speak in English and told her he will speak only in kannada (he knew English very well) and wants reply only in kannada. Then she searched for some kannada speaking person and he answered the call with broken kannada. EE tharaha yake?
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kaligaala swami, kaligaala. odhalu, kelasa sigaloo – ellakkoo kelikondu bandhirabeku
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Matru bashe allava! mom is always kind enough to allow others rule over her.
I have an instance to share.
In murthy angadi, there are lot of resturas, one of them being kamat. they serve typical north karnataka food (Jolada rotti, enagayi palya, chatnipudi, etc) on a banana leaf.
I went to this restura for lunch and was under assumption that they might have roped people from my place (hubli-dharawar). started speaking to server in kannada with north karnataka accent and he kept smiling at me.
my friends kindled me to ask from where he is and if he understand kannada?
I asked and this kid replied that he is from Hosur (TN) and does not know kannada, even cooks/servants are from TN and AP. Its pretty tough to use my mother tongue in mother land. It has so happened that, Place like bangalore, language is not a barrier et all. The same plight might happen to marathi speaking in mumbai and hindi speaking in delhi. I dont know much about kolkatta and chennai, but heard that they have kept their tryst with their languages.
Learning english as a language is good, but why should it become the medium of life? I wonder how many of us try to use our mother tongue in day-to-day affairs.
If the DPS has not given admission to this girl: The school is not worth it. I believe: If I dont get any award, that award is not worth awarding an awardee.
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Girish, I remember you narrating this to me at Kamath Bugle Rock.
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The root of the whole problem is in the education system (in addition to the fact that as Girish puts it “mom is always kind enough to allow others rule over her”).
There are several schools in Bangalore where kids are fined if they talk to each other in Kannada. Forget about class, they cannot do it in the school premises itself.
I had a friends son who used to study in one of the elite schools. He didnt want to be seen with his parents in school because his father is comfortable talking in Kannada.. Of course nanna friend patinga.. bekanntha PTA meetings alli hogi avaranna KannadaDalli mathadistha idda.. to his shock, he found that his son started being discriminated against.. needless to say, my friend pulled him out of the school in favor of a nice “south-Bangalore” school..
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You people start anywhere and finally reach Kannada topic. I think we are 10 minutes slow in thinking. Before we realize an opportunity people from Hosur and Calicut come and start a bakery or a restra. We laugh at him when his restra is going through teething problem (slow start). Once consumers recognize him and start flocking we kick our own butts. Isn’t that strange behaviour? To make it little spicy, we add a language twist to it.
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I think Bangalore can only be compared to Mumbai where the percentage of people not speaking the state language is more than the people speaking that state’s language. In other metros like Chennai & Kokatta that is not the case. In Delhi even though there are a lot of people who are originally from other states, they number of people who speak Hindi or languages which are similar to Hindi is a lot more.
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English has become the lingua franca, so to speak, of the common Indian, much more so than our national language has, since fluency in the latter, though supposedly mandatory, leaves a lot to be desired. Hence, tt is but natural to expect fluency in the language, though the DPS example definitely takes things a bit too far.
It is not valid to assume that we’re slaves to the language since people in groups belonging to the same linguistic background do tend to switch to their native tongue. The switch to English while engaging in daily conversations in such cliques is more the exception, than the norm.
Ample proof of that can be seen in many workplaces even in Bangalore, where I work, where people are sometimes even accused of holding meetings in their native language if they have a quorum of people, with the odd persons out being left hanging dry!
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Recently , I saw an AD here in US with a head hunter .
Candidate should know C,C++ ….etc etc and be proficient in Telugu .
He needs to Interact with our offshore center in Hyderabad .
I worked in hyderabad for 3+ years , All our meetings used to end up in telugu .
Reading Girish Post earlier ,That he found hard to find a Kannada speaking waiter in Murthy Angadi restaurant . Few months back there were protests opposite Murthy Angadi to employ ‘Kannadigas’ in other Jobs . This was in response to Murthy and Devegowda Spat .Where DG asked Murthy to employ Kids from those farmers from whom Angadi had
‘Laptays’ vast acres of Land .
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Naanu kannadiga swamy, Mysore navanu
Since my College till today i have come across many ppl with diefferent regions/Language. I use to learn little of there language (like word to greet, say hi, bye etc.,) and ensure that they also learn the corresponding words of Kannada. Now, Whenever i meet them, they greet me in Kannada ( Heli Sir, Chennaghidhira, Hyaghidhira etc., ) and i wud feel happy for that.
My wife is a Kannadiga, but born and bought up in TN, today she speaks quality Kannada and i too understand Tamil, for her. When She quotes few lines Tiruavalluvar’s lines i quote Sarvagna’s Vachana (Pooti galla Swamy).We enjoy both.
Just because, some language is the very oldest we should not feel inferior or something like that. I happen to have hell a lot of discussions on this with most of my colleagues whenevr they raise this topic. Its like your Mother is ageold and my mother is young..for me my mother is precious and great, i respect your mother and love my mother and i also tell them this is what my language had taught me(which is true). There the arguement use to end…and if not all, atleast some start learning kannada words.
Kannada is rich,sweet ,flexible and good…so are other languages. Its we kannadigas who has to speak in kannada at gross root level (which is somehow missing), just by having good amount of Jnana peetha awards doesnot help.When we speak in kannada, lets speak with proud be it a market place in Malleshwaram, or Jayanagar. Many times, when i travel to Mysore in Chamundi, Tippu ( trains ), i cud see couple of current generation ( me too!) conversing in english ( all of them wil know Kannada) , i feel pity for them for missing an opportunity to speak in Kannada.
Mathe innondhu vishaya, kannada maaya aagtha irodhu bari Bengalur li maathra…Ondhu Sala Hubli – Dharwad kade bandhu nodi…Bendre Bus nindha hidhu ellellu Kannada. Namma Bangalorli maathra swalpa, reverse.
All languages are good and equal, irrespective of how old r they r new.
If someone is/had suppressed us because of their language, its not just because they have suppressed but also thate we have let them to do so..alva!
Bore maadidhhakke Kshame irali(!)
:-)
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most indians, particularly kannadigas do suffer from inferiority complex related to mother tongue. situation has reached alarming proportion off late.
IT & BT COMANIES with the help of english media have created a wrong impression that, to survive in this world english is the only mantra.
there is a systematic propoganda to eliminate kannada in administration and schools by vested interests( business houses).
this is RACISM at its worst.
remember, there are countries like france , switzerland , denmark,sweeden, norway,holland, china which gives prominence to their native languages – yet ,have GDP, HUMAN DEVELOPMENT INDEX, QUALITY OF LIFE light years ahead of india.
kannadave sathya
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China is years ahead of India in FDI, Forex reserves yes- but in Human Development Indices? News indeed- or does need to be deconstructed in a difeerent way?
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Anyway prashanth, you both are having a ball of time!! :-))
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I think comparing China, France, Denmark etc with India with respect to language promotion is not a correct comparison. Some of them are much smaller and less populated so language is not the only criterion for their development. ALso they have one language with one script, whereas India has 16 offcial languages most of them with their own different script. For those countries, their government can put the entire country’s available resources for development of that language and make it easier to standardize & develop. Imagine India having just one or two languages and if the entire county could have pooled its resources to develop the languages. Then the situation would be different.
But that is not the case and it is left to us to encourage our languages in whatever ways we can.
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We had an expat (KannaDiga from Bangalore) returning back after years with a 4th grade son. They had him admitted in a “nice” South Bangalore School. The kid got beaten (by fellow class mates) as he couldn’t speak neither Kannada or Indian-English. In fact they would shout at him each day “Go back to America!”
The poor kid with American accent had to be put in Bangalore International school to be with the likes of his own.
idak enanthiri?
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There is nothing wrong in knowing other languages but it should not be at the cost of neglecting Kannada. Time and again it has been proved that proficiency in once own mother toungue is no bar to excell in English. Kuvenpu and BMShree are the sterling example. Moreover the enjoyment you get in reading in once own language is to experience altogether different which can not be described. The local idiom, nuaces, earthy humour etc gives one a heightened pleasure which no amount of proficiency in other language can convey. Kannada has a rich heritage and it shoudl be the effort of the elders to inculcate in their children the love of the language. I am aware in this era of globalisation and people not able to stay in their own state due to finding greener pastures for existance it requires a constant effort. Recently I read two books from one Sri. Kadur Ramasway, Belagadaga, a short novel and another Samagra Saahithya Loka, a compilation of short stories full of humour, pathos anad philosophy. I commend it to Kananda lovers for to read it is to be transposted to another realm of pure enjoyment. I commend Suam Ramanna for generating a a lively interaction.
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language is directly related to development of state / country. when administration is in the official language, people from the lowest strata of soceity can participate in the democratic process, and no one feels alieanated from the mainstream. this is one of the main reasons for rapid development of scandinavian countries.
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Hallo, the main purpose of my post was to question the status of our Indian languages altogether not only the KANNADA. This English BHOOTHA is so deeply rooted in our society which is killing our own rich heritage of beautiful languages.Our languages are loosing there existence infront of this language that I wanted to discuss which obviously ended in kannada discussion as usual. This is because we know the status of Kanannada infront of English. So Anthrax avare kopa madikobedi navu ella vishayanu kannadakke thandu nillisutheve antha.
The good news is that the girl of whom I have mentioned in my post got admission in DPS Delhi. So sathyameva jayathe anno vishaya nija ayithu. At last the intelligence won over the language. Untill there is proper check on private schools we have to face these type of problems I think.
I am not against English in anyway I know very well learning a language always improves our personality. I am against the compulsion to learn language and the discriminating the people due to that language.
Britishru nammannu bittu hogi 60 varsha aayithu swami avarannu kalisi avara bhashe avarigintha bigiyagi hidiyodu beda yenu anthiri Innu navu sariyagi yechhara madikollade iddare navu thumba amulyavaddanna kaledu kollutheve. Amele adannu namage USA noru helabekaguthe.
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Sampige Srinivas writes in KA
Imsai Arasan Chitra pradarshana nillisalagide ( Followup )
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NamaskAra Geleyare,
Karnataka Chalana chitra vanijya Mandali adhyaksharada Gangaraju avaroMdige matanadide. iMdu mattu ninne Vijaya karnatakadalli prakatavagidda patragaLa bagge avara gamanaselede. Chamber nalli idara bagge indu nirdharisutteve endu heliddaru.
ideeega matomme avarondige matanadide. oMdu sihi suddhi needidaru.
Imsai Arasana 23 pulikeshi tamilu chitrada pradarshanavannu karnatakadellade nillisiddaranthe.
idannnu Kachita padisikollalu yAradaru ee chitra pradarshanavaguttidda chitramandirada baLi iruvuvaru nOdi kachita padisi.
modalige idannu gamanisi (http://thatskannada.oneindia.in/cine…pulikeshi.html) namagella tilisida Sri. Kalyana Raman avarige dhanyavAdagaLu mattu abhinandanegaLu.
Jai Kannada
saMpige
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Heritage….haritage…..herrrtaaage….looks like the obsession to’preserve’ has been on the rise.
None of us speak Paali or praakrth or even Sanskrith.
99 percent of K…….digas cannot read or understand HaLegannaDa.
The same thing with all the languages of the world.
USA did not have a “National Language” till recently. At least we have one official language ‘Hindi’.
My dear friends please understand that language, cultures, food, etc of any region are always growing, changing. They are like giDada baLLigaLiddahaage, hariyuva nadiya neerddahaage, chalisuva mODgaLiddahaaage. Hulumaanvaru adara jaaDannu badalisalu agOdilla. BettagLE badalaadavu (gaNi dhaNigaLa karaamatthigoo munche), nadigaLidda jaagagaLalli barii kanIve kaaNuthe. Jagathu badalaagutthalE ide, aadroo sundaravaagide. Naavu matra adara hakkudaararu, mundinapeeLIge adannu kaadirisabEku emba hambala hacchikonDu hucharaagutthiddEve.
iiga naaviddEve. andu iralilla munde irolla. summane yaaki salldaa humbathana.
Mathe English nashTu change aagiru bhaashe iDii jagatthallE illa.
It is given an unpleasant title “World’s most crossbred language”.
Read Wall street Journal. It is full of Indian words like mantras, gurus, pandits, yogi, etc. They never curse any Indian for having infused these words.
IngllishE badalaguthide mathyaaka namgii giiLu.
Hemmeyirali kanndada bagge aadare hucchu shuDutthe.
Jai todays kannada
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