churumuri.com‘s post on the legality of Adam Gilchrist’s hidden squash ball during his World Cup finals knock has created an international splash.
First, dozens of Sri Lankan newspapers and websites reproduced in toto an Indo-Asian News Service story that was up on Yahoo and several other news sites. Now, the Australian papers too are taking a look. Barry Dick of The Courier-Mail has addressed the ‘Legal’ query on Gilly’s innings.
Result: Sri Lankan cricket fans across the world, especially those based Down Under, and the Sri Lankan media are mustering support to get the International Cricket Council to address the key questions raised by the piece and subsequent pieces. Namely, was the use of the ball legal, did it give the Australian wicket-keeper batsman an unfair advantage in slamming those huge sixes, and do the runs scored count?
On the other hand, tens of Australian cricket fans are calling the Sri Lankans wimps and sore losers, in comments delightful for their biting humour and condescension that borders on racism. “If Gilchrist’s squash ball gave him an unfair advantage, probably Steve Waugh‘s red handkerchief too did,” writes one correspondent.
Read all three stories: How legal was Adam Gilchrist’s “hidden ball”?
churumuri 
Not only do the Sri Lankans not know how to win, their supporters do not know how to lose…gracefully.
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Wake up everyone. Gilchrist has certainly made no secret about it being there. People crying conspiracy need to get a grip. What is happening is what we call “Sour Grapes” it is not a racist term but one used to describe someone who we would consider a bad looser.
Had Sri Lanka won I would have been one of the first to congratulate them. After Australia they are my next favourite team. Too bad their supporters don’t have the good sportsmanship that their players do.
Just remember Gilchrist is one of the most upstanding players on the international scene. How many other players will walk if they know they are out and not leave it to the Umpire. You know, some might call not accepting being out when you know you are as cheating as well. Should we disqualify any team where someone has stayed at the crease when they are shown by replay to be out and know that they are out?
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Mick, I don’t think the problem here is not about winning or losing. Unlike some other countries Sri Lankans have never been afraid to loose. My question is how would Australians have taken it i,f a Sri Lankan Batsman had done the same.
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We won. You lost. Congratulations you are the first placed loser.
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just go into a corner and cry
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Sore losers – Sri Lanka lost, Pakistan and India failed – get over it boys, you may be able to control the ICC with your corrupt activities, but please lose with grace.
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What sort of quack, scurrilous reporting is this? Headline of the story ‘How legal was Gilchrist’s hidden ball’? The Island (Colombo), Sri Lanka, Thursday 3 May 2007.
You seem to think that we are all simpletons, ie: the world is full of simpletons and madmen that no one need seek them in a madhouse; or to explain it better, politicians seem to think the voters are simpletons.
For politicians, we replace the term with that of quack reporters with bigger egos and/or opinions than the players. Either you are hard pressed for decent honest news to report, or decided to manufacture this concocted glib effort to create a polemic issue where there is in fact none, or try a diversion of opinion of what was a well-played innings. In other words, by calling into question Gilchrist’s use of a squash ball in his glove was a way of labelling him as a cheat.
Everyone has an opinion and some are worth reading, this one is full of the trivia mongrels scrap over on a garbage heap, or crows cawing over discarded rubbish left by a street beggar. Our world on this island is full of them and this fake reporter, wherever he is, is another.
Examine the facts. Gilchrist struggled to find form during the World Cup. Often when a batsman has a problem with his grip it means hand-eye coordination difficulties that lead to a flawed technique. How do you overcome this? Ask the coach his opinion. Bob Mueleman, son of test player Ken Mueleman, also played for Western Australia but is better as a coach, which this reporter ignores as well as his cricket background.
If you have ever been in the position of a coach and a batsman comes to you about a technical problem, you find ways of sorting out the predicament he has. As one of Australia’s top-scoring limited overs batsman, Gilchrist in this World Cup was seen to struggle against the moving ball early in his innings. Handgrip or footwork or stance, all are part of the story.
Unless you have played at this level, or been involved at first-class level, don’t be as presumptuous to presume you are the smart one and know it all. Labelling him a cheat displays the levels you descend to discredit the batsman. No doubt this is your purpose. You waited four years for this after he walked in the semi-final, now came your chance. Shame.
David Fonseka
Colombo 3
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Oh and by the way, with reference to the comment of Australian racism in the above article: “Australian cricket fans are calling the Sri Lankans wimps and sore losers, in comments delightful for their biting humour and condescension that borders on racism.”
What do you call this following posting by this dickhead kevin???
this has been the most racist, degrading comment on the forum by far.
Kevin Morland Says:
May 4th, 2007 at 11:40 am
Lets get this thing clear. No matter what Australia does…. IT IS NOT AND IT WON”T BE ILLEGAL. But if any one else(any player from any other country other than Australia) does it…. IT WILL BE ILLEGAL and HE WILL BE PUNISHED.
REASON: AUSTRALIANS ARE CONVICTS. And THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR THAT TITLE.
SOME THING TO REMEMBER: It is better to accept the defeat with dignity rather than winning a piece of metal without dignity.
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Srilankans are bad losers. I also agree that they do not know how to lose gracefully and accept that the better side-the Australians won the day and that their bowlers, particularly Murali was ineffective. They kept him hidden for a few matches hoping that he would use his doosra using his funny bowling action. Gilchrist could have hidden what he did and thee world would not have known. He is the kind of guy who’walks’ if he thinks that he is out not waiting for umpires decision. The Srilankan bloggers suddenly coming out of the woodwork and very partisan should shut up.
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Please all.. Listen…
Even though you seem to be repeatedly mentioning and assuming that the stuff posted here are written by SRI LANKAN’s.
They are not.
We Sri Lankan’s have no issues with the Squash ball. But we have an issue with organisers failing to have a full 50 over innings, despite having many options to do so.
So Aussies – Well done.
To Sri Lankans – Well done for being the runners up.
Peace
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We all agree that Gilchrist’s innings was the main impact of the final. As far as I think, it’s illegal what he has done, hiding a squash ball in his glove. If not, my question is, can anything (not only squash balls) be put inside the gloves when batting?
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How legal was Gilchrist’s hidden ball??? Are you all insane on making comments like this. How odd some blame Sri Lankans as bad loosers?? The fact of the matter is are we playing by the rules or fabricating rules for the benefit of the few. If every one hide balls and go to the field!!! or make a bat with Coconut or an Upmire wearing one white leg and one black leg in his trousers or someone carrying a knife or a bomb for that matter to the field…..how does the ICC view it. When player behavier is penalized in many ways no point in putting forward different dogmas and theories. ICC should rule out whether this is improper behavier of a player and penalize him. Also as calculated for reduced overs and what not going by the rules, Australians how good they are still should be penalized for the behaviour of a this single player.
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It is true that Vaas and Murali didnt get wickets and that is probably why Sri-Lanka lost.
However, it is very clear that Gilcrist using a squash ball would have aided his batting and gave him that vital edge he needed to score big. It is the use of an undeclared aid that is llegal. Imagine the opposite and if it was Sanath Jayasuriya who did this. Then there would have been a great outcry and the Sri-Lankans would have been labelled cheats. Since Australia did this, the whole world is silent. It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”.
I think far,far more worse than this is the aggressive form of bowling as practised by the aussies. The aussie bowlers bowl at the ribs of batsmen. Is this sport? To look at a parallel situation in football, even if a player so much as push an opposing player, they will get a red/yellow card. Being aggressive is not sport and bowling at the ribs (will they bowl at the head or groin if this fails?) is definitely not sport. Cricket would be so much poorer if this continues.
The aussie batsmen are talented but their bolwers are simply being aggressive by bowling at the ribs and that cannot be called sport. This may be one reason aussies are so far ahead of the rest. I however don’t believe that somehow South Africa, England, India or Pakistan are less talented than the aussies. It simply isn’t so. It is time the aussie bowlers were made by the ICC to either play properly or it is time to take action and give a severe warning about this. Otherwise what bad example is being set for future budding bowlers all over the world? It is bad news for cricket.
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When Churumuri posted two three articles here, then itself I realised that there will be one new article, “churmuri impact”.
I loved churumuri because of it’s links to mysore and karnataka as whole. Now you seems to be more interested in building yourself as a new portal than a blog which talks about mysore. I think right time to stop subscribing.
When publicity comes at you, then there is no fault in accepting it, but here it looks like churumuri is badly behind publicity.
Right time I stop subscrbing to churumuri
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Ranatunga use to get a runner because he found it a little difficult to run between the wickets.
Murali – is that a suspect action? Only to supporters of other teams.
Not returning to the field because a team is not happy with umpiring.
All this is inconsequential because at no stage did the team carry an infamous magical squash ball.
I guess without a magic squash ball Australia would have collapsed. The fact that the Sri Lankan bowlers were bowling fruit had nothing to do with the result.
You don’t need a squash ball to smash a half volley to the boundary.
I guess when a team is at the top of it’s game it will always have to accept criticism no matter how obscure and strange it may be.
To the Sri Lankan supporters that accepted the loss gracefully, well done to your team for making the final and better luck next time.
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ICC has to take this action seriously and should clearly define the rules and regulation about gloves and any other objects hidden inside it and beneath it. This is a loop hole of the rules in Cricket and Gilchrist got the advantage of it.
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Srilankans are not losers!!! If the Australians are such good players and they are World Champions, why did they use the squashball? If they knew they could win easily, why in the world did they try to do something that would be considered as illegal. It is because they are scared that they will lose. The big daddies are SCARED to lose to the small Srilankans. I think some people got it right, it’s better to lose with dignity rather than winning a medal without dignity, but who should learn this lesson, the Australians or the Srilankans? Who stooped so low as to cheat using a squashball? Gilchrist was the only batsman who scored easily and the other players all struggled to score easy runs. If they did not need a squashball to smash a half volley to the boundary, why did the other Australian batsmen struggle to score easy runs? Srilanka could have gone all the way if it had not rained. Was everyone blind when Sangakkara smashed McGrath’s balls into the pavillion? It all went wrong after the second shower came. The Australians are the sore losers who do not want to accept defeat gracefully which is why they used the squashball. All the Australians who are saying that this action of Gilchrist should be forgiven, will they act the same way if Jayasuriya had used a squashball? Will they have been good sports about it then like they are telling the Srilankans to be now? PLEASE!!! Practice what you preach people. Gilchrist should be punished for what he did and so does the Australian team. IF they knew they were doing something illegal and it would have consequences, they should not have done it. They deserve to be punished so that they do repeat the same shameful action again.
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Okay….some people need to calm down about the squash ball thing. Reality check:
(1) Put one in your cricket gloves and see if it helps…… it doesn’t hit the ball the bat does, and I think people think it may have added power to Gilly’s game. Again no power involved in the shot is actually transferred from the squash ball, it comes from the bat and can be affected by your grip but only in the strength of it as this is the transfer of your muscle power to the bat. Anyone who thinks Gilly’s strickrate of over 100 is unusual for him based on a slightly lower one for the tournament probably either haven’t seen Gilly play before or lack knowledge of statistics (your average includes some below and some above and their would be COUNTLESS time MANY batsmen have played their better innings in the big matches).
(2) What it did do was help Gilly in two ways:
(a) Mentally – most cricket form slumps are a mental thing and if he believed the squash ball would help then that was the biggest benefit. Steve Waugh carried a hanky in his pocket as he believed this bought him luck. Is a hanky a valid piece of cricket equipment listed in the rules of cricket? Are all his innings now illegal?….. come on people.
(b) The squash ball may have helped Gilly with his grip by stopping him rotating his hand. But in this aspect he could have had it sawn into the lining of the glove and thus not be “carrying” it and no one would have known or thought twice about it. It won’t work for everyone it would depend on their grip and likely it really only probably helped Gilly from twisting the bat slightly. If you tried to make it “illegal” nothing could stop Gilly from requesting the manufacturers of his gloves to design one with an elevated padding in the palm to induce the same effect….so no it isn’t illegal and would be senseless to make so.
Nice batting Gilly
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What a fiasco this is. Some people are trying to find reasons why Adam Gilchrists innings should not count. Lose gracefully please. In South Africa last year we scored over 400 and got done. Did we try and find reasons in the opposition why we lost? No – we accepted the better team won. If the squash ball made such a different, Gilchrist would of made 500 runs – obviously he got tired hitting the crap your bowlers serving up. Get over it. You lost because, the opposition were better on the day. In all fairness I would have liked to have seen 50 overs a side, and if played over two days, then so be it. One guy wrote about Ranatunga getting a runner. That is unfair – the fat lazy sh*t should of had to run like everyone else. Winners are grinners and losers come from Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan and South Africa. Thanks for the memories, see you in 2011.
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If any of the people making these comments here had actually followed Gilchrists brilliant career, they would know that he is well known (and often critisised) for his honesty in cricket.
Gilchrist is a walker for goodness sake! As in if he nicks the ball to the keeper, if the umpire doesnt hear it, Gilchrist will walk.
To say he has cheated, or knowingly broken any rules is an absolute joke. In fact this whole matter is a joke!
Gilchrist is probably the games most honest bloke.
And to show how ridiculous this matter is, has anyone noticed that none of the opposing players have actually complained about this? At least the Sri Lankan team is gracious in defeat.
Accept the fact that Sri Lankan bowlers were not firing that day. Had the Gilchrist been out early, there were 6 other genuine batters in the lineup to follow anyway. Where as Sri Lanka only had 3 in their entire lineup.
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Hi all,
Sri Lanka has done very well to come to the finals and it was thier day they would have won it. But it was not to be.
Now the Gilchrist scenario has to be taken separately and addressed by ICC to evaluate whether this is legal, if not Gilchrist should should face disciplinary action, so that all other batsman will not have all kinds of thing in their glows and inside the sleeves etc. We also need to find out whether Gilchrist or others unknowingly are putting objects inside the keeping glows for the balls to stick. I am certain Gilchrist would not have thought about all these when he used the ball in his glove but we need to regularize the matters for future.
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Allegation elicits thorough investigation if the Council is to be fair with the Cricket Fans around the world. If found any foul play, world cup final match will have to be re-played at any cost.
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Get over it. You would expect comments like this to come from either South Africa or New Zealand but it just shows how weak teams are from the Sub Continent(Excluding Sri Lanka). Least Bangladesh and Ireland made it through to the Super 8s!! If it were me, i would replace Gavaskar, hes an idiot:)
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You have to be kidding. The logical continuation of this argument is that putting a squash ball in your glove makes you bat better every time. What every innings, every player? If so cricket is going to be a boring game as no one will ever get out.
How does it help? I can’t see how it reduces his chances of going out if he misses the ball and is bowled, lbw or stumped. Does it reduce his chances of being run out, hit wicket , mankaded or handled the ball? If he edges the ball surely the opposition can still catch it? And if he does hit it to a fieldsman they can catch it. Oooops forgot they can’t and didn’t.
So basically he still has to hit the ball. He hit 149 off 103 balls so he was hitting it a lot. Don’t see how the squash ball helped there. I’m sure his innings percentage of 4’s and 6’s was statistically within the range of his career average. Not forgetting the grounds in the West Indies were small. So there is no evidence that he hit it harder or further despite previous posters use of pseudo science to argue otherwise.
Is the use of a sports psychologist illegal? I’m sure the squash ball if anything was more a placebo and helped him think he could bat better by improving his confidence.
As fo legality maybe we can have the rules changed so that 15% of a squash ball is legal. And if you want to retrospectively change the rules and cancel out his innings and Australia’s win then every wicket Murali took before they changed the rule to 15% should be given not out.
Gilly is just the best batting wicketkeeper in the history of the game. END OF STORY
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Al i can say superb batting Gilly. Forget all these cows who question you, the fact of the matter is that you hammered Sri Lanka and it was not the first time. (He has 4 amazing centuries prior to this slaughter).
In Sri Lanka we have a public that is full of themselves who just can’t admit it that they were beaten by a better team. The moment someone says that he is a racist, traitor, colonist and attacking the soverignity of the nation. Uh screw all the mental freaks.
So much so, a complete idiot by the name of DR. SARATH FONSEKA has written an article to the crap paper DAILY NEWS stating that aussies can play like that only cause they are using performance enhancing drugs. Get life loser. One wonders what sort of crap that comes out of one brains. So Sanath, Sehwag, Gayle, Peitersen, Afridi, Kemp must all be on the same performance enhancers.
The DAILY NEWS paper in Sri Lanka is not even worth the paper it is printed on. It just nicked a couple of article from this site and claims to be expert commentery. Well i dare it to publish all the comments that have been published rubbishing this so called unfair advantage. The fools do not have the you know what to do it.
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The Sri Lankans are very proud cricketers and they never complained. If they wanted they could have accepted the bad light the first time when it was offered (8 overs to go ) and could have easily taken the game to the second day.
They never complained about Gilly’s innings..Mahela praised his knock.
There is an issue with the squash ball and let the ICC address it..Like when the aussie wanted Murali’s action to be tested!!
No one should be above the Law!!
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The problem here is not about winning or losing. It doesn’t matter because it is only a game and who cares if you win or lose?!!!
The problem is justice and fairplay. So if a rich, powerful, first world coutry such as Australia cheated, it is fine and swept under the carpet and anything goes! If a powerless, third world country such as sri-lanka, kenya, zimbabwe or bangladesh cheated they would have been crusified! Absolutely crusified!
I now think international cricket is for the rich and powerful only who can do as they please.
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Dear Cricket lovers, i’m a Sri Lankan and a cricket lover. Trust me there is no Sri Lankan who is trying to question the leagality of Gilcrist having a Squash ball. Its just the meadi say Sri Lankan supporters are questioning that. This is a false statement. Sri Lankans are sporty people and we know how to admit DEFEAT. I felt rather disappointed to read some of the comments saying Sri Lankan supporters are unsporty. But my friends dont trust these statements by the media.
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Well Chamikara in my view there are many people questioning the legality of the squash ball. Not only Sri Lankans.
Although it is perfectly legal to use any kind protection or extra protection
gear. What Gilchrist has used (the squash ball) is not an “Extra
Protection Gear”.
According to Gilchrist the squash ball has been used as an object to
“Enhance the Grip”.
That is illegal in my view.
Under
(c) (i) no player uses equipment other than permitted.
Ananda
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Well Ananda in my view Chamikara is the most balanced blog on this site. Good on ya Chamikara….it’s nice to see some grace. Sri Lanka is a very good team and they will have their day in the sun and for people like you I am glad.
Further is anyone aware a stack of wicketkeepers have used “steak” or similar inserted inside their gloves. I say “steak” as that was once used but most have moved on to a more sanitary solution. From memory Ian HEALY or Rod MARSH who both suffered numerous broken fingers in their careers had to resort to something like this….sorry Heals if it wasn’t you. Unfortunately both are Australian so I am sure some whingers will pick this up and run with it but this is done worldwide! You try keeping to bowlers bowling in excess of 140km/hr with sore/broken fingers. When they are the keeper for the whole test match they don’t have much choice when an injury develops. Is a steak listed as official cricket equipment….of course not…is it illegal….of course not. Any law is subject to interpretation and precedence and must also be interpreted in the spirit it was written. People who think the squash ball is illegal, I hope you aren’t considering a career in law.
KEEPING IT REAL
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WoW! hip! hip! huuurrrah! ?!#$%@^?? What a way to win a cricket match and that also especially in a final!! Once a Gentleman’s game now gone into gutters all because of the tactics used by Australians – adpoted whenever they felt they were in fear of loosing. Ofcourse the squash ball gave Gilchrist the proper grip to bat if not there were quite a good chance to get out as witnessed in the previous matches.
Australians were well aware that they were going to loose to the mighty Sri Lankans hence they swtiched to cheat and win. For that Sri Lankans are “GUINESS” to accept gracefully for loosing such a faracical game! as organised.
THREE CHEERS! to ICC for tolerating such nonesence in a so called Gentlemen’s game and being ignorent and best wishes to Australia for ruining the Gentlemen’s game of Cricket!!!
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I am not saying Gilchrist cheated. In fact Gilchrist might have used the squash ball with out knowing the legal implications.
The law says:
c) (i) no player uses equipment other than permitted
Basically cricketers are not allowed to use any equipment other than a “Protection Gear”.
Therefore using a squash ball to “Enhance the Grip” is illegal.
In my view Gilchrist has done something contravening to the law. Unfortunately not knowing the law is not an excuse. That is life.
On the other hand players prepare 4 years for a world cup. Lot of hard work, money go in to that. If some one get an undue advantage that is not fair in my view.
Ananda
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Ananda,
You missed the point. Any law is subject to interpretation and precedence and must also be interpreted in the spirit it was written. People who think the squash ball is illegal, I hope you aren’t considering a career in law.
The red handkerchief Steve Waugh used is not “Protection Gear”, it’s not it the rule book, it’s not illegal. Why? Technically he used it to gain a psychological advantage. So essentially it is a “technical” breach of the rules. The reason it is not an issue is that within the spirit of the legislation. This is a legal term used by judges to decide what legislation when it was written was really designed to target. This is to prevent “technical” breaches resulting in ludicrous decisions, like banning Steve Waugh using the red hanky or in this case Gilly the squash ball. The spirit of the legislation is to prevent any unfair advantages but on this point I think everyone has missed what the squash ball did for Gilly. It was simply a reminder to him to grip his bat properly. There is no unfair advantage here; anyone who wants to put a squash ball in their glove can do so. I tried it today it certainly didn’t make me a Gilchrist, but for a moment I felt like him :-) and that’s the point it helps you in your head. It actually gave me a sore hand! Yes and anyone who wants to wear a red hanky….feel free.
Some people have gone on about aluminium cricket bats well problem here was a distinctly better bat that threatened the tilt of the whole game towards the batsman. This was decided it was not legal and that is fair enough. But to suggest everyone will gain from shoving a squash ball in their glove just shows that no one really understands what it did for Gilly and what the red hanky did for Steve Waugh. To suggest it is illegal shows you don’t understand the judges criteria of the spirit of the legislation. The ICC have to take into account (the spirit of the legislation) and I am sure you will see they will not rule against the use of a ball in your glove provided it is just that, just as they didn’t ban Steve Waugh and his red hanky.
Just on another point Gilchrist has scored 5 centuries and only 2 half centuries against Sri Lanka in one day cricket. One of the two half centuries was a 99 RUN OUT of 88 balls. So really he was one run short of 6 centuries to one fifty against Sri Lanka. His stats tell the story he has not done this to any other nation. Against ALL OTHER nations he has lots more half centuries than hundreds. So the point is that Sri Lanka just can’t seem to get him out once he gets started. All his centuries against them have been amazing. In 2006 he scored 122 against Sri Lanka and his hundred came of 67 balls!!!! WHERE WAS THE SQUASH BALL HERE??? I am just trying to show that he is just a great batsman and sorry but this whole debate is just a mask for a disappointed rest of the world. Let the ICC make their decision in the spirit of the laws and please look this up before going on about technical breaches.
To the Sri Lankans you have a great team and will no doubt one day dominate world cricket. To those of you that have posted enjoyable comments in this regard I will be happy for you when that time comes. For those of you who have whinged I pray you are not as arrogant in victory when that time comes as you are a whinger in defeat. Just remember it’s a game people just enjoy it for what it is and then remember to live.
KEEPING IT REAL
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Ananda,
Oh yeah I forgot to say some people have three grips on their bat…this “enhances the grip”. Some gloves use different lining to “enhance the grip”. These do not bestow “protective” properties, the grip is the subject of many of the subtle designs of the cricketing glove and the bat handle, Gilly’s batting coach has just thought of a modification to the glove that helps Gilly. Smart man, it maybe works for him, maybe doesn’t. It certainly works in his head that is the main thing but his innings is by no means his best, his 122 was quicker in Brisbane (2006) and oh strange thing it was against Sri Lanka.
Did you know upto 30% of medical recoveries are attributed to the placebo effect. Yes some most studies have to include a control population that take a “magic pill” of sugar. Why because even medical researchers have shown that many people get better just because they believe they are taking something to get better. So for a drug to show it works it has to show an improvement beyond the placebo effect. If this cures some people of disease then it is no wonder positive thinking is the biggest hurdle in competitive sport. Most successful sports people visualise success and how to win, when this all dies down the ICC will see the squash ball is just Gilly’s red hanky.
Remember it’s a game, enjoy it win lose draw, and then enjoy life.
KEEPING IT REAL
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Guys and Gals I played a game of cricket today and used a squash ball in my glove. I found that it didn’t overly help. You could see how if positioned correctly it could help you grip the bat but funnily enough I had to grip the bat HARDER and wiggle the ball into the right position for it not to cause me to have to grip the bat too hard. In my relatively short innings I actually started to feel a bit tired in my hand towards the end from the extra strength required to grip the bat. I have seen some ridiculous suggestions that it improves the power it certainly doesn’t do that.
Here are the FACTS:
In cricket you are allowed to use gloves!!!
Purpose of gloves:
(1) To protect the hands – they have padding!
(2) To enhance the grip on the bat
If Gilchrist finds his grip is improved by inserting a squash ball then it would be silly to suggest it could be ban. Any attempt to do so will just result in a glove manufacturing inserting one inside the glove and then he isn’t “carrying” one. They couldn’t ban it because the glove would just be doing its job. If they tried to claim an actual squash ball couldn’t be used the same effect could be achieved through use of padding sawn into the glove on the palm….. again you couldn’t ban this as padding is currently in gloves!
So point is the glove and squash ball in it is legal. If Gilly finds the squash ball helps the glove do it’s job of gripping the bat better, good luck to him.
For those that think it made Gilchrist some superman, well you haven’t been watching Gilly very closely. Sure it was his best innings in the tournament, but just because you have a “quite” tournament does that mean you are not allowed to score in the final. People who obviously don’t understand statistics have analysed his cup and used this to say the innings was above his abilities. Sorry guys but statistics show a batsman scores knocks above and below his average and the fact that Gilly had a tournament up until the final below his career average (statistically more reliable then the smaller sample of a few innings shows) doesn’t mean his next innings shouldn’t be a good one. In statistics the odds of a coin flip being tails is still the same (50%) regardless of how many heads have appeared in the preceding four tosses. Gilly is an amazing batsman that’s why he scored the knock. It’s not as though he hasn’t done it before. Point is he just rose to the occasion. Sri Lanka had their chances to get him out but they……dropped him…..strange that. Gilchrist has a top one day score of 172 so it is not as though he hasn’t done it before.
Statistically their have been NUMEROUS innings where batsman have risen to the occasion. One that comes to mind is Jason Gillespie scoring over 200!!! Sometimes it is just your day. A good batsman has these days more often then a poor batsman and Gilchrist when he has his day is just awesome. So amateur statisticians go get a degree in statistics before using them in an abusive manner to apparently support a flawed argument. Oh yes I do have one so I could go into the topic on more depth but I think any cricket fan would understand that the history of cricket is littered with innings where batsman have risen to the occasion.
Here are some facts on Gilly. He has scored FIVE one day hundreds against Sri Lanka. In fact he has scored only two fifties against them, making this the ONLY country he has scored more one day centuries against then fifties and not just more but 5 to 2!!! His average according to cricinfo in one day cricket against Sri Lanka is a touch under 48 while his career average is around 36 in one day cricket. So point here would seem to indicate that there is significant statistical evidence that maybe Gilly just likes the questionable bowling action of the Sri Lankans, even though he himself has questioned the legality of Murali’s action.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/2009911.stm
Further in 2002/3 ICC world cup series Gilly scored 99 from 88 balls against Sri Lanka and how did he get out…they ran him out!!! This innings of 99 is one of his “Fifties”. So really this makes him one run/run out away from having a record of 6 one day centuries to 1 fifty against Sri Lanka!!!!!
In 2006 in Brisbane Gilly scored 122 against Sri Lanka and his hundred came of 67 balls!!!! WHERE WAS THE SQUASH BALL HERE???
In 2003 and then in 2004 Gilly was voted international one day cricketer of the year.
In June 2005 Gilly was voted the “scariest batsman”. Refer:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/cbs/content/story/211318.html
Not a good thing when the “scariest batsman” seems to love your bowling. Sri Lanka lost the world cup not due to some beat up myth of the squash ball but because Gilly is just an amazing batsmen whom they haven’t figured a way to get out once he gets going.
By the way I scored 22 of around 25 balls with a squash ball in my gloves……no Adam Gilchrist here.
Keeping it real
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Gilchrist has always been unpredictable in his game. He will score ducks and low scores, and then turn around and score the 2nd fastest centuary in Test Cricket.
Looking at his averages never tells you what sort of player he is. You have to watch one of his power innings to know how brillant a player he is.
He is reknown for being one of the most honest players in the game. If you notice there is nothing in the rules about having different grips. If a batting glove was made that had the same effect, you wouldn’t complain.
Stop dragging cricket into your pathetic bad sportsmanship. This World Cup has been bad enough without the typical hysterical outburst. If you notice the Sri Lankan team have NO problem with Gilchrist. Only the fanatics in the Sub Continent, spouting their usual rubbish, about the racist world.
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gichrist used a squash ball to aid him in his batting grip.some one has wrote that he still had hit the ball to score.but to hit the ball you must grip the bat first.so if this is llegal bowlers should be allowed to use plaster to aid them in gripping the ball.styris had to remove the plaster before he could bowl in the semifinal.gilchrist had a problem so that his bat would rotate in his hands.if this happens the shots that you play won’t be timed correctly.so the chances of the ball going in the air to a fielders hands are more.if he used this ball he should have informed the umpires and the opposing captain.
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Again Dumindu it is how you improve your grip….any bowler who wants the ball to stick to his hands might have a problem with the delivery. But your point aside the fear here is ball tampering when bowlers start using sticky things and possibly ability to gain more spin on the ball. The point of the glove is to improve the grip just like the grip on the bat handle of which some players use 3 or 4!!! (oh my are they cheating). Gee some arguments are really poorly thought out.
It’s a game people, the better team won the game…..get over it..get a life.
Keeping it real
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can you please tell me whats the meaning of KEEPING IT REAL.the thing is he used an illegal item to improve his grip.and calling your self acricket player have you eer played cricket.
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I am a current cricket player. “Keeping it real” is about the fact that this is a game made for entertainment and a bit of fun. You have clearly lost your fun and enjoyment as a spectator. Clearly you just post comments without reading the full text…I have explained how the item is not illegal. You need to understand the term “spirit of the legislation” which applies to interpretation of any rules. Rules are guidelines that have to be interpreted by people in the know. Steve WAUGH’s red hanky is technically a breach of the cricket laws. No where is it approved, yet he used it to give him a mental edge. The ball in the glove is used to remind the batsman to keep his lower hand in the correct position. It doesn’t give him any more an edge than a mental reminder. I trust the ICC whom have knowledge of the “spirit of the legislation” and can tell you they will not find the item illegal, it would be rediculous. So read my comments above if you want to be educated, otherwise remain ignorant I don’t care but the ICC will shut you up (this item will never be ban).
Oh yes I actually used the squash ball when I batted today in a club game and my hand actually got a bit sore from the dam thing. It defintely didn’t add any power and is sort of annoying…more so the longer you bat.
No it didn’t turn me into Adam Gilchrist….funny that.
It’s a game people…just enjoy it.
KEEPING IT REAL
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well what do expect from these convicts… its the only way these pack of dogs can win games…
look at them all finding excuses for their new found cheating hero… BUT HEAVEN FORBID IF SOMEONE FROM ANY OTHER TEAM DOES ANYTHING THAT’S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE GAME… then its all illegal.. but if its an australian… it okay… your pathetic australia… you don’t diserve that win… and you all know it…
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Cricket Player,
There is no question that Gilchrist is a very good batsman. But he has done something contravening to the law: (in brackets the relevant clauses)
The squash ball is an external object that was used to enhance the grip.
[For a batsman, items permitted are a helmet, external leg guards (batting pads), batting gloves and, if visible, forearm guards]
There is no allowance for any external object that can be used to enhance the grip.
The law specifically say the items allowed are worn for protection against external blows.
[External protective equipment is any visible item of apparel worn for
protection against external blows]
The squash ball Gilchrist used is deemed as a part of the bat.
[The bat – the following are to be considered as part of the bat
* the whole of the bat itself.
* the whole of a glove (or gloves) worn on a hand (or hands) holding
the bat.
* the hand (or hands) holding the bat, if the batsman is not wearing a
glove on that hand or on those hands.]
The question is, had Gilchrist shown the squash ball would the umpire allow him to use as an object to enhance his grip?
In my view, the answer is no. The squash ball is a part of the bat not a protective gear.
Therefore Gilchrist has done something contravening to the laws of the game.
Ananda
Your analogy to Steve Waugh’s hanky is not relevant. Also your squash ball experiments. Gilchrist did admit that he used the squash ball to enhance the grip. Also his batting coach admitted that using a squash ball gave definite results:
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/293237.html
“What it did when slipped inside the left glove was make him markedly less bottom-handed in his approach. As Meuleman said in a newspaper interview later, “I’ve worked with him for 10 years and he an unusual grip in which his hand goes too far around the back of the bat. It [the squash ball] is a great big lump in your glove but it means that you can only use your bottom hand in a V.”
According to Meuleman, who played a few Sheffield Shield games himself in the 1960s, the effect was dramatic. “He had a few hits before he went off to the World Cup; he didn’t have the squash ball in and he hit them like he couldn’t even play fourth grade. He put it in and he then hit the ball so good.”
From Appendix D of the laws,
External protective equipment is any visible item of apparel worn for
protection against external blows
For a batsman, items permitted are a helmet, external leg guards
(batting pads), batting gloves and, if visible, forearm guards
Clothing – anything that a player is wearing that is not classed as
external protective equipment, including such items as spectacles or
jewellery, is classed as clothing, even though he may be wearing some
items of apparel, which are not visible, for protection. A bat being
carried by a batsman does not come within this definition of clothing.
The bat – the following are to be considered as part of the bat
* the whole of the bat itself.
* the whole of a glove (or gloves) worn on a hand (or hands) holding
the bat.
* the hand (or hands) holding the bat, if the batsman is not wearing a
glove on that hand or on those hands.
Equipment – a batsman’s equipment is his bat, as defined above,
together with any external protective equipment that he is wearing.
Person – a player’s person is his physical person (flesh and blood)
together with any clothing or legitimate external protective equipment
that he is wearing except, in the case of a batsman, his bat.
A hand, whether gloved or not, that is not holding the bat is part of
the batsman’s person.
No item of clothing or equipment is part of the player’s person unless
it is attached to him.
For a batsman, a glove being held but not worn is part of his person.
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You want to make a squash ball illegal but are quite happy to have someone chucking down deliveries.
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While the use of a squash ball is not currently considered illegal it should be reviewed by the icc the same as murali’s doosra was. I can imagine the cries of racism from the sub continent if other nationed had asked for games where he bowled the doosra before it was reviewed to be considered invalid.
I think the use of foreign objects in the gloves as training aids are ok but they should not be allowed in competition. In the game of golf you can buy special grips that have moulded finger impressions to help you learn to grip the club properly and whilst it is ok to use them in practice it is illegal to use them in competition. That being said all grips in golf are of the same size whereas in cricket some batsmen have 1 layer of grip on their bat and others have 4 or 5. The icc needs to also come up with a standard one size fits all grip size but all teams have the big hitters and I guarantee they all use more than 1 layer of grip
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Dumindu I will keep it simple.
Why is it there is not a single ICC official, or international player who has complained or cares. Its only the hysterical rantings of delluded fans.
Go do some research on Gilchrist when he fires big sixes and boundaries happen alot. He scored the 2nd fastest test centuary in December last year, without a squash ball.
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sri lanka should also be stripped off all ODI victories and test match victories that Murali played in.
by chucking the ball instead of bowling it, it gave murali an unfair advantage over other bowlers, (more spin and control). The Icc should stripped off all the wickets taken by Murali. Murali has an illegal bowling action. End of story.
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This give Australia an unfair advantage. maybe the ICC should do something about it.
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There is no question of Gilchrist brilliance. But he has done something contravening to the law: (in brackets the relevant clauses)
The squash ball is an external object that was used to enhance the grip.
[For a batsman, items permitted are a helmet, external leg guards (batting pads), batting gloves and, if visible, forearm guards]
The law does not permit any external object to enhance the grip.
The law specifically say the items allowed are worn for protection against external blows.
[External protective equipment is any visible item of apparel worn for
protection against external blows]
The squash ball Gilchrist used is deemed as a part of the bat.
[The bat – the following are to be considered as part of the bat
* the whole of the bat itself.
* the whole of a glove (or gloves) worn on a hand (or hands) holding
the bat.
* the hand (or hands) holding the bat, if the batsman is not wearing a
glove on that hand or on those hands.]
The question is, had Gilchrist shown the squash ball would the umpire allow him to use as an object to enhance his grip?
In my view, the answer is no. The squash ball is a part of the bat neither a protective gear nor a clothing. Therefore changing condition of the bat by using an external object contravenes the laws of the game.
Gilchrist did admit that he used the squash ball to enhance the grip. Also his batting coach admitted that using a squash ball gave definite results:
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/293237.html
“What it did when slipped inside the left glove was make him markedly less bottom-handed in his approach. As Meuleman said in a newspaper interview later, “I’ve worked with him for 10 years and he an unusual grip in which his hand goes too far around the back of the bat. It [the squash ball] is a great big lump in your glove but it means that you can only use your bottom hand in a V.”
According to Meuleman, who played a few Sheffield Shield games himself in the 1960s, the effect was dramatic. “He had a few hits before he went off to the World Cup; he didn’t have the squash ball in and he hit them like he couldn’t even play fourth grade. He put it in and he then hit the ball so good.”
From Appendix D of the laws,
External protective equipment is any visible item of apparel worn for
protection against external blows
For a batsman, items permitted are a helmet, external leg guards
(batting pads), batting gloves and, if visible, forearm guards
Clothing – anything that a player is wearing that is not classed as
external protective equipment, including such items as spectacles or
jewellery, is classed as clothing, even though he may be wearing some
items of apparel, which are not visible, for protection. A bat being
carried by a batsman does not come within this definition of clothing.
The bat – the following are to be considered as part of the bat
* the whole of the bat itself.
* the whole of a glove (or gloves) worn on a hand (or hands) holding
the bat.
* the hand (or hands) holding the bat, if the batsman is not wearing a
glove on that hand or on those hands.
Equipment – a batsman’s equipment is his bat, as defined above,
together with any external protective equipment that he is wearing.
Person – a player’s person is his physical person (flesh and blood)
together with any clothing or legitimate external protective equipment
that he is wearing except, in the case of a batsman, his bat.
A hand, whether gloved or not, that is not holding the bat is part of
the batsman’s person.
No item of clothing or equipment is part of the player’s person unless
it is attached to him.
For a batsman, a glove being held but not worn is part of his person.
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the thing is cricket player,that you are not gilchrist.if have a grip and hands exactly like gilchrist you would have got a advantage.so putting a squash ball in your glove wouldn’t give you advantage in gripping if your gripping the bat correctly(i hope).and you’re sounding like gilchrist is a squash ball telling no adam gilchrist there.and i hope that you remember this a gentlemens game.if cheating is part of being a gentlemen,i really don’t know what a gentlemen is.
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the real cheat is murali. gilchrist only had the ball to help him grab the bat better.
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This is the weakest excuse I have seen for losing a cricket match. LOL.
Face the fact that sri lanka is never good enough to beat australia in the final.
the squash ball helped gilly to hit the ball further? – this is pure garbage.
If this is really the case, every team will have power hitters like gilchirst. LOL!!
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DUMINDU. Repetitive negative commentary is no gentlemen. Gilly is the most respected gentlemen of the modern era…only walker left in modern cricket. No YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T KNOW WHAT A GENTLEMEN IS on that we agree. You obviously miss the point evry time HE IS NOT Cheating. One more try to get it into your head…..
Gilchrist innings was totally legal. All these blogs on the topic go in circles and ultimately just come down to human nature. Who ever loses always looks for excuses. Some will except losing gracefully some will not. Some good replies here and the argument for it being illegal is a joke for the following reasons. One it actually can be considered an item of clothing under the laws of cricket. Just because most people don’t wear squash balls doesn’t mean you can’t. Steve Waugh wore a red hanky and this is in traditional thinking an accessory not an item of clothing (you don’t actually “wear” a hanky). When judging if an item breaches the rules you also need to consider “the spirit of the legislation”. This is the little thing in your head that says this might technically be a breach but it doesn’t seem unfair. Judges use spirit of the legislation worldwide to interpret laws in the way they believe they were meant to be interpreted and this sets precedence. The ICC are cricket’s judges and more qualified and neutral to make these judgements. The ICC won’t ban it because they are aware of the FULL rules not just one or two quoted out of context. Further they also know the importance of the “spirit of the legislation” If you start to ban things people carry that don’t give them anything but a physiological advantage then you have to ban Steve Waugh’s red hanky. Hmmm that would take all the fun out of the game….it is the little quirky behaviours that make it fun!!!! People the squash ball did nothing else for Gilly then provide an annoying reminder to grip the bat correctly; it is just like Steve Waugh’s red hanky and gave him a psychological edge only. I played a game of cricket yesterday with a squash ball in my glove and scored 22…..no Gilly cyborg batsman here :-). But for 22 runs I felt like Gilly, that’s the point, people do strange things to help them in the head, the squash ball annoyed the crap out of me though. What I find most strange is that one reply states that if the squash ball can be considered an item of clothing then perhaps the laws should be looked at/changed! This is sad people, when the people upset over the loss finally realise it is within the laws that they would then ask the laws to be changed to put some retrospective taint on the innings…..just accept it was a great innings.
What I find bemusing is all the people coming out of the wood work who think that this was an amazing innings and one off by Gilchrist. Clearly they only watch finals as Gilchrist has frequently destroyed Sri Lanka more than any other nation.
Here are some facts on Gilly. He has scored FIVE one day hundreds against Sri Lanka. In fact he has scored only two fifties against them, making this the ONLY country he has scored more one day centuries against then fifties and not just more but 5 to 2!!! His average according to cricinfo in one day cricket against Sri Lanka is a touch under 48 while his career average is around 36 in one day cricket. So point here would seem to indicate that there is significant statistical evidence that maybe Gilly just likes the Sri Lankan bowling.
Further in 2002/3 ICC world cup series Gilly scored 99 from 88 balls against Sri Lanka and how did he get out…they ran him out!!! This innings of 99 is one of his “Fifties”. So really this makes him one run/run out away from having a record of 6 one day centuries to 1 fifty against Sri Lanka!!!!! This ratio is unheard of even for Gilly as he has not done anything like this against any other nation, not even Canada.
In 2006 in Brisbane Gilly scored 122 against Sri Lanka and his hundred came of 67 balls!!!! WHERE WAS THE SQUASH BALL HERE??? Hmm maybe it’s not the squash ball, strange that.
In 2003 and then in 2004 Gilly was voted international one day cricketer of the year.
In June 2005 Gilly was voted the “scariest batsman”. Refer: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/cbs/content/story/211318.html. Not a good thing when the “scariest batsman” seems to love your bowling. Sri Lanka lost the world cup not due to some beat up myth of the squash ball but because Gilly is just an amazing batsman whom they haven’t figured a way to get out once he gets going.
Final word people I have explained the legality of the squash ball and the “spirit of the legislation”. I have explained the reason why Gilly seems to love Sri Lankan bowling and is likely to do this sort of innings against them (once he gets started –it’s get him cheap or he will get you). I hope that people upset over this will take a deep look at themselves and realise the truth that they are really upset at the fact they don’t like the Australian team or there team didn’t win. Sri Lanka is a great team and will one day have their time in the sun. The History of cricket tells us teams have generations of domination but it doesn’t last forever…..Gilly will have to retire one day :-).
But finally I would like to remind you it is JUST A GAME PEOPLE, ENJOY IT FOR THAT, ALL THE LITTLE QUIRKS MAKE IT FUN. STOP TAKING IT TOO SERIOUSLY THIS IS WHY A COACH OF PAKISTAN IS NO LONGER WITH US. REMEMBER IF IT IS MAKING YOU ANGRY YOU HAVE LOST THE FUN ASPECT OF IT AND SHOULD THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOURSELF. ENJOY IT PEOPLE, THAT’S WHY IT IS CALLED A GAME.
KEEPING IT REAL
P.S I was born and bred in England, but I respect good cricket when I see it.
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it’s a just a game and you are just playing for fun.hope the english team is having fun.what would you if this happend to england.would you say that it was a good piece of cricket then.and did you have fun when the english team lost ashes 0-5,and the odi series vs sri lanka 0-5.and don’t you have anything to say exept steve waughs red hanky.and you would be kind enough to read what his coach has said about his batting with the squash ball in his glove.
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Poor Dumindu,
I have read the coach’s comments and you be kind enough to understand it and grow a brain. It is just a reminder to grip the bat correctly….clearly you are a professional spectator and have have no idea about cricket probably never picked up a bat. If you had any idea about batting you would know what the coach meant. I love my cricket no matter who wins….I am a player more than a spectator so I respect players like Gilly even if they aren’t on my favorite team, the reason I repeat about Steve Waugh’s red Handky is it is the reason why you are all dills even thinking it could be cheating….Grow up….It’s a game…..the better team won….go cry with your mum
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idot.his coach has told that with the squash ball he can only use his bottom hand in a V so the chances of getting out much less.as a cricket player i thought you knew that.
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Cricket Player,
I think you are trying to protect Australian interests disguising as a true cricket lover. From your post and views on Murali you are more likely to be an Aussie. I don’t think you are a Pom.
Please answer this question:
According to Meuleman, who played a few Sheffield Shield games
himself in the 1960s, the effect was dramatic. “He had a few hits before he
went off to the World Cup; he didn’t have the squash ball in and he
hit them like he couldn’t even play fourth grade. He put it in and he
then hit the ball so good.”
“What it did when slipped inside the left glove was make him markedly
less bottom-handed in his approach. As Meuleman said in a newspaper
interview later, “I’ve worked with him for 10 years and he an unusual
grip in which his hand goes too far around the back of the bat. It
[the squash ball] is a great big lump in your glove but it means that
you can only use your bottom hand in a V.”
Is this legal?
Ananda
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You are a sad soul who obviously doesn’t understand what the coach’s role is. That is his job to give advice that may help him bat better all be it psychological, technique or otherwise. If it takes a squash ball to make him think hey keep my grip in a V and it works for Gilly then the coach is doing his job. The point is all it is doing is helping to remind Gilly to grip the bat in a V. But you seemed to have missed the other point: Gilly didn’t do anything he hasn’t already done to Sri Lanka NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE (can you read?). BUT REGARDLESS YOU HAVE PROVED MY POINT……YOU HAVE PROVED MY POINT….ONE MORE TIME…YOU HAVE PROVED MY POINT….The squash ball is not a magic or illegal accesory. WAKE UP DUMINDU THE ICC HAVE SAID IT IS LEGAL BY NOT BOTHERING TO COMMENT OTHERWISE….DO YOU THINK GILLY WOULD ANNOUNCE IT TO THE WORLD IF HE THOUGHT IT MAY BE ILLEGAL>>>>DO YOU THINK HIS COACH WOULD>>>>DO YOU THINK OTHER PLAYERS DON”T GET TAYLOR MADE GLOVES? (Which is effectively all the ball in the glove does)>>>>NO DUMINDU THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS AND COACHES AND THE ICC IS A PROFESSIONAL BODY WHO KNOW LIKE ME AS A PLAYER THAT IT IS LEGAL…..YOU MY FRIEND ARE A PROFESSIONAL SPECTATOR WHO SHOULD STICK TO WATCHING CRICKET AND CRYING WITH YOUR MUM….POOR DUMINDU POOR POOR DUMINDU
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Did you know there is a whole series of threads on Yahoo and others just laughing at people like you Dumindu. Some have suggested the squash ball was working against Gilly as it made him hit a number of catches including one when he was on 31….I can also recall the keeper unable to glove another one. Thing is the squash ball got pissed of when Sri Lanka couldn’t catch and decided to stop offering them anymore chances but gave it one more show before Gilly got 150. If Sri Lanka had caught Gilly on 31 I wonder if all you whingers would still be whinging about the squash ball. Sri Lanka should pray to the will of the squash ball ….or perhaps you should ask them to do some fielding practice (I wonder what would work best). Instead of wasting your few brain cells on an argument you have no understanding off, just get over it and ENJOY THE GAME, IT IS JUST A GAME.
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OR MAKE SOME MORE COMMENTS…YOUR NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE SILLY IS KEEPING ME AMUSED…THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOU….KEEP THE LAUGHS COMING
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I have to say it cause you make me laugh so much, in the hope it will stimulate you to say something more (and keep me laughing) …
Do you know a cricket bat helps the batsman?
Do you know the gloves help the batsman?
Do you know clothes can help the batsman?
Do you know that anything you wear by default is clothing?
Special laws are written into the laws of cricket to allow the specific use of pads and gloves etc? Some laws have been written to exclude certain items such as aluminium bats?
Since Gilly wore the squash ball inside his glove it becomes by definition an item of clothing and in the absence of any exclusion law is perfectly legal. Problem for all the whingers is they will never write laws specifically excluding this item used in this context as no one other than anti-Australian racists or Sri Lankan supporters think there is a problem with it. A quick side note to all the anti-Australian racists out there who use cricket as a means to propagate their poor education, although I am not Australian I have been there and it is a great country and funnily enough is multi cultural, when you degrade them on the whole you degrade people from all over the world including people from my country and yours. Anyway the ICC would never ban this as it does not give Gilly an advantage not available to anyone else who takes the time to have tailor made gloves. He just got a technique that allows the same result without the hassle of having to get a set of gloves made up. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE RESOURCES OF TENDULKAR WHO PROBABLY HAS TAILOR MADE NIPPLE WARMERS.
REMEMBER PEOPLE ITS A GAME…Take a deep hard look at why you are really upset….you have probably just got caught up too deep in what is just a game. I love it and will talk all day on it but I don’t get upset over it or you have lost the point of it….ENTERTAINMENT
KEEPING IT REAL
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ANANDA ANANDA ANANDA ANANDA
(sorry just wanted to draw your attention first to this reply)
Ananda I will address your points as you seem more intelligent then Dumindu.
Firstly, born and bred in Glossop England UK near Manchester. I am a cricket player so while I watch international cricket I get more enjoyment from playing it. I like seeing good cricket and respect good players from all nations. It is nice to go for a team and get a win but I clap good shots from both sides when I watch a game as I do on the field. (My clap is just a bit louder for the team I play for :-))
I don’t know what you are on about with Murali I personally respect Murali and think he is a character and great cricketer and only brings positive things to the game. But I don’t run away from the issue his bowling was questioned. I actually believe strongly his bowling action is legitimate and testing it was in the end the only fair thing to do for Murali himself to shut everyone up. What I said was Gilly himself questioned Murali’s bowling which I find bemusing as Gilly clearly outperforms against Sri Lanka having scored more centuries than halfs, you think he would have not bothered.
On the issue of the coach I think it was clear that he was overstating the effects of the squash ball. The effect while reminding Gilly to grip the bat correctly is also benefited by Gilly believing in it (in Gilly’s head) and it’s the coaches job to reinforce this so Gilly believes it himself. This positive reinforcement will mean Gilly believes it and whammo you have placebo effect. Placebo effect only works if you believe in it. The coach wants to talk himself up so he gets more coaching contracts but anyone who thinks Gilly was hitting the ball like forth graders without a squash ball is just kidding themselves. If you truly believe that then you are not as smart as I thought you were. It is the coach talking up his miracle idea for his own and Gillys (placebo) interests. Just remember in 2006 Gilly scored a one day hundred against Sri Lanka of 67 balls – Quicker than WCC 07 and no squash ball – did that look like a forth grader….hmmmm.
Yes a modification to the glove that helps it perform it’s task of gripping the bat correctly is totally legal. Read my earlier entry on modified gloves. Like I said not everyone has the budget/manufacturers crawling after them as Sachin. If the squash ball does the quick modification required then so be it, Gilly’s coach probably figured there wasn’t time to start playing with more formal glove modifications and manufacturing. But many players have specifically designed/modified gloves. Yes it is totally legal.
Hope that helps.
What would have helped Sri Lanka would have been taking their catches “Catches win matches”. I actually like Sri Lanka but the whinging supporter base is starting to rub off on me I think.
REMEMBER PEOPLE ITS A GAME…Take a deep hard look at why you are really upset….you have probably just got caught up too deep in what is just a game. I love it and will talk all day on it but I don’t get upset over it or you have lost the point of it….ENTERTAINMENT
KEEPING IT REAL
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To all of Australia I have this to say. We saw an awesome innings by Gilchrist on the 28th and did not have anything to say about Autralia winning the world cup. However, when we learned a couple of days later of this Sqaush ball incident we were concerned about the legality of the whole thing. But to our dismay no official from the ICC has stepped in to enlighten us on this but I am sure all they have to say is there was a loophole in the law and the aussies used it. Amen to that.
However, when we ask for explanation of this, the least we expect is an apology from the australians and the fact that they also REGRET not having gone about the correct way of using this so called performance enhancer of theirs. I mean they (the Aussies) chose a Worldcup final to do this nonsense of all events!!!
But instead of explanations and apologies we hear CRAP. So much Bullshit from Aussies about Steve Waughts hankie, Gilchrist’s uncomparable honesty, Sri Lankans being bad losers etc ect. Well let me tell you sirs that these are the facts:
1. We Sri Lankans are indeed proud of the way we palyed win or lose no one can deprive us of that. We love our cricketers more after this incident and will always do. So the fact that the aussies cheated and won has no bearing on Sri Lankas cricketing future.
2.To the guy who commented about Arjuna Ranathunga’s runner being illegal, well dude I’ll say this, It’s much better that running on the pitch as Ponting did !!! and he (Arjuna) only does it when he is tired not when he is fresh to the crease like ponting.
3. About subcontinent players and fans being weak, well here comes the RACISM folks!! All you white people can do is to start racism which is why you come up with pathetic excuses like these.
4. To the guy who has said that Murali’s Doosra is illegal, well he DOES’NT BOWL IT WITH A SQUASH BALL !!!, and he told the press well before he bowled it, NOT after doing it you moron. (And yes you really would like the ICC to strip him off all wickets because he is a true champion and because he will take more wickets than Shane warne.)
All in all let me say this, it is truly pathetic that we discuss this today when the man who did it is carrying on without any remorse. Yes it is Just a game then why did you people cheat to win it ? Why if you are not 100% sure about the law why do you do something extraordinary to ruin the name of the game ?
Why are you worst of all trying to hide the atrocity by comparing it with Waugh’s hanky ?(for pete’s sake waugh DID NOT use it to grip the bat !!) and if it did not help Gilchrist to hit the ball harder why would he point it out (the glove with the ball in it) to the dressing room ? Well it’s you people who say he’s the most honest guy in town maybe he himself can answer that.
So my message to Assies is, you Won but you did not win fairly. Please don’t do these things to tarnish the game in future. And the aussie fans – Shut your stupid mouths please. You’we got the worldcup three times in a row but you lack the true spirit of the game which is sportsmanship. That’s something you will never know or never acheive.
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Suresh you racist fool…..you get nothing and people like you pedelling your racist junk should be ban from this site.
You say “Point 3. About subcontinent players and fans being weak, well here comes the RACISM folks!! All you white people can do is to start racism which is why you come up with pathetic excuses like these.”
WHO SAID WE ARE WHITE!!! THIS IS CYBERSPACE YOU DILL BEYOND RACE AND COLOUR…I TAKE DEEP OFFENCE AT YOUR COMMENTS AND AM SURE MANY MULTICULTURAL INTERNATIONAL FANS OF ALL NATIONS DO. YOU ARE AIMING YOUR CRITISISM AT AUSTRALIA WELL AUSTRALIA IS A MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY WITH FANS AND SUPPORTERS FOR AUSTRALIA AND OTHER NATIONS FROM ALL RACES AND RELIGION. GROW UP YOU DILL!!!!
You seem to not understand anything…when you believe something will help you that is half the battle. Gilly has to believe the squash ball will help him in fact he said the only reason why he put it in, in the end was because he had said if I score a century in the final I’ll point to it. He said this prior to leaving his batting coach. He said he felt jinxed not to put it in….ohhh superstition guess that will be ban now. This is the same reason Steve Waugh wore his hanky…superstition. DO SOME FULL research before making uninformed opinions. If Gilly thinks it works then good for him in cricket positive thinking is most important battle. Gilly will go on as he has done nothing wrong, the ICC will do nothing as they know this but in the face of diplomacy they will try to pretend they have taken some middle ground but they are laughing at you as is the rest of the world. SRI LANKAN FANS WILL FOREVER BE KNOWN AS SORE LOSERS WHO CAN’T EXCEPT GOOD CRICKET WHEN THEY SEE IT. WELL DONE YOU WHINGERS YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE REPUTATION OF ALL THE SRI LANKAN FANS MANY OF WHICH I AM SURE ARE GENUINE CRICKET FANS WHO JUST ENJOY THE GAME WIN LOSE OR DRAW>>>>WELL DONE>
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I Belive that this Subject Must discuss with ICC people and with the support of Scientific evidence to Prove that this So called Squash Ball thing is Supporting part for Batting, However Mr Adam Gilchrist agrees that This Squash ball is helped him to Increase his batting skills, without knowing the rule of Cricket Australians almost messed up the thing
1. the law says you cannot use any equipment to Enhance the Batting or bowling
2. if you are using anything such like that you have Inform to Fielding Captain and Umpaire
Any batsman or Player Cannot use any equipment to enhance the their skills in the field if they do so that perticular event is not a valied in the Match even in Olympics and other sporting event the Invalied Titles have been took away from them, I belive that the same thing must apply to Cricket World Cup also, I really feel sorry for the Australian, they knew what the Sri Lankans are Capable of in the Cricket
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Hi Rohan,
Would you care to point out which Law of Cricket says that you cannot use any equipment to enhance batting or bowling?
There are Laws about what can be done to the ball, there are Laws about how a bat can be composed, there are Laws about fair and unfair play (of which the only relevant part is that the umpires are the sole judges of fair and unfair play) and there are Laws about equipment in general, which indicate the umpires must satisfy themselves during the match that the players’ equipment is legal. Given that neither the umpires nor match referee mentioned the squash ball, I would say that the umpires did indeed satisfy themselves that the equipment was legal.
You could just as easliy argue that the technological advances in batting gloves, batting inners, bat grips, batting pads, helmets, thigh pads, inner thigh pads, groin protectors, etc. also enhance a batsman’s performance. No international fielding captain or umpire for that matter is going to demand that a batsman remove his gloves because they conserve too much energy on the rebound as there is no limitation on what materials may be used to construct batting gloves or how efficient they may be, provided they do not damage the ball. The only difference with Gilchrist is that the ball was not sewn into his glove.
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Update:
http://inhome.rediff.com/cricket/2007/may/08lanka.htm
—snip—
“We don’t think he did anything illegal but we question whether it was unethical or within the spirit of the game,” cricket board secretary Kangadaran Mathivanan told Reuters.
“We plan to raise the issue with the ICC in June so that there can be a discussion as to whether using an object inside the glove should be permitted or not,” he added.
—snip—
I agree with Mr. Mathivanan. What Gilchrist did was legal, but obviously the Laws are not clear, so the issue needs to be raised.
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Hi James and All friends
No we have to think the Issue is Did Gilchrist use any Equipment to Improve his Batting other than ICC Accepted Equipment (Bat, Bad, Glove, etc) for this Question answer is Yes
Technically a Squash Ball can Improve a batting accelaration for this Question answer is Yes, if anyone doubt about this check with yourselfs (all you need is a Squash ball, a bat, glove, and ball) ANY EQUIPMENTS OTHER THAN BAT TO IMPROVE HIS OR HER BATTING PERFORMANCE EVEN BY 0.1% IT IS ILLEGAL THATS WHAT THE MCC LAW OF CRICKET CREARLY SAYS,
So my dear friends here is nothing to worry ICC will know What they have to do according to the Laws of Cricket
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Srilankans are just a bunch of really poor losers. They just can’t accept that all of their mighty bowling attack failed to saddle Gilchrist on that day . Mind you they had their share of chance when Gilchrist was dropped not once but twice (Dilhara return catch and Sangakara behind the stumps) . So just stop crying boys . As long as Aussies are around you will have another day to cry ;)
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The debate has lost its focus and is just a rabble of Australian supporters vs upset Sri Lankans. If moderator puts this one through I will address some of the points:
THE SCIENTIFIC CLAIM
The “Scientific” claim: This is truly the biggest joke of all the objections. Some of you have acknowledged this and say it is just the technicality of the rules you object to but many still believe this one. Well get a squash ball and CUT IT IN HALF (that is how Gilly had it) Press it in….it returns to its shape with very small recoil. This is no spring. Recoil is found in many materials….including cricketing pads. If they didn’t return to their position then there would be big dents left in them every time LEE or MALINGA hit them. I could go into how Gilly actually positioned the squash ball on his lower palm in line with his little finger but just under his wrist. Here it actually just acts as a piece of material resisting him bringing his hand around too far into a poor batting grip. Here it would not actually be depressed and in heavy contact with the handle….but I will go on with this scientific crap for a second. The recoil of half a squash ball is so small it definitely would not add any measurable speed to the bat. Further in physics you are forgetting that for every force there is an equal and opposite reaction. If the ball was compressed to recoil it has to push both ways!!! To highlight this take a full squash ball and push on it from the side on a flat surface. It rolls…..why? Because nothing pushes the other way to allow it to compress. Now push it straight down. It compresses but the reason is the weight of mother earth on the other side is a bit hard to budge. When rubber in a glove (i.e. half a squash ball) is compressed then Gilly’s hand is no mother earth. In fact his hand would weigh much less then the cricket bat. Gilly would actually have to grip the bat harder as the rubber would uncompress in BOTH directions. This is also why he wouldn’t actually have the rubber positioned in a spot where it was compressed. Any good batting coach would know having to grip the bat harder with your lower hand when you are striking the ball is bad for you technique. The pads on your fingertips also have recoil and I have actually tested some and compared to half a squash ball. Some recoil quicker than a half a squash ball….funny that. So to all those that just keep repeating the scientific crap actually do some science, I have tried to simplify this so you understand. I will now address the other issues
THE CLAIM IT IS AGAINST THE RULES
On the surface there is a reasonable argument here when you quote a section of rules about declaring items to the umpire etc. However you must realize these rules are just a few rules in the game of cricket and are being quoted out of context. People have got their knickers in a knot about the whole “squash” ball thing. You need to answer a few questions honestly here to understand why it was legal.
I have explained that the scientific benefit is totally unfounded. Given this I then ask you the first question:
What is half a squash ball? When you cut it in half it is no longer a squash ball that is for sure…..they don’t play squash with half a ball and by definition it is no longer a “ball” so get over the squash ball thing……HALF A SQUASH BALL IS JUST A PIECE OF RUBBER.
Further half a squash ball loses its ability to be compressed at pressure as the inside is now open it can’t act like a full squash ball where the air inside can be pressurized. So is again JUST A PIECE OF RUBBER.
When you go onto the field do you declare the rubber in your bat handle to the umpires? No, why because they form part of the cricket bat. Just on this point a team of researches have developed a new material that can better absorb shock. They have a major batting company on board and will be releasing them next year. They are perfectly within the rules as the rules allow shock and vibration materials in the handle. The researches themselves have said they stayed away from the body of the bat as the rules don’t allow such modifications. This bat is being designed in Australia but will be available to ALL cricket players so better tell your team to get some to prevent more excuses. But to quote from a report on them “Traditional cricket bat handles are made of cane with rubber for absorbing shock, and now John and his team have developed a new handle made of a carbon fibre shell containing a polymer insert that absorbs vibrations. The researchers are also hoping to use sensors to help control vibrations. John and his team want to expand the “sweet spot” of the cricket bat, the area on a bat that can hit a ball hard yet not cause unpleasant vibrations for the player. “The bigger the sweet spot, the more forgiving the cricket bat becomes,” he claims.”
Notice how the report uses the fact that traditional bats have rubber in them…..so rubber is legal in the bat handle. Further rubber is employed in its capacity to absorb shock in the design of many cricketing GLOVES. Do you have to declare the rubber to umpires that is in your gloves….no and no one ever has. When Gilly inserted half a squash ball which as I have explained when cut in half is just a piece of rubber, he simply put a piece of rubber into his glove to allow the glove to best suit the needs of his anatomy. With the rubber in the correct place this allows him to grip the bat correctly. This is the major purpose of the glove other than protection. Have a look at the design of batting gloves. They include many features such as cuts in the padding to allow flexibility. This flexibility assists in a better grip. So as explained the overall design of the glove is to achieve protection and assist in achieving a proper grip. As explained materials used to do this include rubber. So Gilly has found a simple way of modifying his glove to better achieve its purpose for him. He does not have to declare the rubber he used in the same way any other batsman does not have to declare the rubber used in their gloves. Many batsman have tailor made gloves for exactly this reason…..do you think it is for protection…no way…the protection of a $40 pair of gloves with no flexibility will prevent broken fingers as well as an expensive pair. What is better in the expensive pair is the materials used better absorb shock in some models and more importantly to this debate flexibility and design is usually better to allow a better batting grip. Gilly’s crude fix to this solution means instead of consulting the expense of a glove manufacturer to insert a bit of rubber inside the glove he has done it himself. Sachin TENDULKAR had a pair of modified batting gloves so if you are going to call Gilly’s innings cheating then you are inferring that the great TENDULKAR has cheated all his life. This is just ridiculous people we all know TENDULKAR was and is a great batsman who played within the rules and used equipment to best display his talents. Gilly has done no different.
THE CLAIM GILLY PUT ON A FREAK SHOW BECAUSE OF IT
So I have explained how the use of rubber (half a squash ball) is legal and within the rules. I have explained how you do not have to declare rubber in your batting gloves to the umpires before play…..it has been this way since rubber was incorporated into the design of batting gloves.
I have explained how the recoil of half a squash ball is no greater than the pads (many of which are a polymer of rubber) in your batting gloves. I have explained how Gilly used it where it would not make contact with the bat anyway and how half a squash ball also loses it’s ability to pressurize. While it will still return to it’s original shape so to do your pads. Funny that. The pads are often in direct contact with the bat handle….hmmmm.
But some people still say that Gilly’s performance was so unusual that he must have been cheating. Strange claim. Does that mean all the batsmen who make a return to form were cheating? Was Jason Gillespie cheating when he scored 200…..well above his batting average? No because historically people have knocks below their average and above their average. BUT BUT Gilly didn’t do so well in the games before the final at the world cup. Gilly scored 30 against Sri Lanka prior to the final…he was dropped on 31 in the final…..so maybe if he had been caught he wouldn’t have done well…in fact not maybe DEFINITELY. The important thing here is Gilly played Sri Lanka in the final. Here is a list of Gilly vs. Sri Lanka in his last 7 digs:
1. 26-Jan 2006 AUSTRALIA won by 5 wickets Gilly 34 runs
2. 29-Jan 2006 AUSTRALIA won by 6 wickets Gilly 116 runs
3. 10-Feb 2006 SriLANKA won by 22 runs Gilly 26 runs
4. 12-Feb 2006 AUSTRALIA won by 167 runs Gilly 0 runs
5. 14-Feb 2006 AUSTRALIA won by 9 wickets Gilly 122 runs
6. 16 April 2007 AUSTRALIA won by 7 wickets Gilly 30 runs
7. 28 April 2007 AUSTRALIA won by 53 runs Gilly 149 runs
Notice a pattern? Yes BESIDES AUSTRALIA WINNING CONSISTENTLY BY BIG MARGINS.
No what I was looking for is that in the last seven digs Gilly has scored three centuries but his other four scores are all low or around 30. His career statistics against Sri Lanka include 5 centuries and 2 half centuries…one of the “half” centuries was 99 RUN OUT. So really he was one run shy (run out) of 6 centuries to one half century. GILLY HAS NOT DONE THIS AGAINST ANY OTHER NATION, not even Ireland. He has not scored more centuries than half centuries against anyone but Sri Lanka. And Sri Lanka it is effectively 6-1!!!!! What this tells you is that once he passes 50 against Sri Lanka he will likely make a hundred. I remind you HE WAS DROPPED ON 31 AND AGAIN A COUPLE OF TIMES LATER AS WELL. Sri Lanka had their chances to get him but once he got beyond 50 he was always likely to destroy them. His scoring rate was not significantly better than any of his other 100’s in ODI against Sri Lanka. In fact the 122 in the last ODI against Sri Lanka before the cup he bought up his hundred in just 67 balls…..faster than the hundred in the final.
So no this was not anything unexpected from Gilly and simply occurred because Sri Lanka dropped their catches “catches win matches” is not a catch phrase for no reason. Catch phrase….get it…he he.
Anyway hope this helps all those confused fans. I ask you to look at this and then ask yourself why you are really upset. I understand, when the Windies dominated in the 70’s and 80’s it was hard not to feel resentful of them. But just enjoy the game and stop making excuses. The Windies in the 70’s and 80’s had some arrogant but magnificent players and deserved what they achieved. Australia in the 90’s and 00’s have also had some arrogant players but they have had some good players too and of all the players with the least arrogance Gilly is at the top of the pile. So stop using this recentment as a means to twist a piece of rubber into some miracle reason for losing. Just accept the team that has beaten Sri Lanka 6 out of the last 7 times they have played was the better team on the day. Get on with it and have some fun and better luck next cup. (with a bit of luck Gilly will have retired by then)
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frank Says:
May 6th, 2007 at 2:23 am
well what do expect from these convicts… its the only way these pack of dogs can win games…
GO CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK YOU CAME FROM YOUR RACIST PIECE OF FILTH
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ICC are never going to say it was illegal. This from Cricinfo:
Q:Is it legal for a batsman to have a foreign object like a squash ball inside his gloves, as Adam Gilchrist apparently did in the World Cup final? asked Vijitha Herath from Germany (and several more people from Sri Lanka!)
A:My feeling was that it was legal, as I didn’t think you could distinguish between a squash ball – which Gilchrist admitted he used to improve his grip during his amazing innings in the World Cup final – and the inner gloves many batsmen wear, some of which have a certain amount of padding, the finger-stalls inside some gloves to protect finger-tips, or even the raw steaks people (usually wicketkeepers) were reputed to put inside their gloves to lessen the impact of the ball. But MCC are the final authority on matters to do with the Laws, so I asked their head of cricket, the former England opener John Stephenson, who confirmed: “The official view is that you are correct. It is no different to wearing inners, etc.”
’nuff said, roll on 2011
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Australia is the country who is always talking about rules and regulations of cricket and try to find mistakes of others. I agree this point , yes we have to play good cricket. But if another player from another country had done this kind of thing what will be the response of Australia? So in this situation autralia should be ashamed of their cricket team
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If Jayasuriya had done the same, the Australians would be making a huge fuss!! Shame on you and your nation!!! When you’re wrong just admit to it. Have some respect and dignity to admit when you are wrong.
May I also point out that Jayawardana was not even out when he was told to leave the pitch. Nobody likes Australia exept Australians, because of your disgusting manner.
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No NZ supporter even now you are clinging on….IT’s OFFICIAL that’s why they released it….so no one has to listen to your crap anymore. Go grow a brain and learn the rules of cricket….BAAAAAH.
The Marylebone Cricket Club said Gilchrist had not acted against the laws or spirit of the game.
“Gilchrist’s use of a squash ball was designed to alter his grip on the bat whilst at the crease, something which he was perfectly entitled to do,” the MCC said in a statement Tuesday.
What a joke this whole thing has been……Sri Lanka fans have earned a reputation from this……sad for all the good fair non whinging fans of that nation.
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quote: If Jayasuriya had done the same, the Australians would be making a huge fuss!! Shame on you and your nation!!!
hahahaha whatever mate. Personally, if Jayasuriya had had the foresight to do it and it worked good for him.
Talk about a storm in a teacup!
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NZ Supporter, are you still upset that Bay 13 chanted “Hadlee’s a wanker!”?
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Adelaide Oval: “Personally, if Jayasuriya had had the foresight to do it and it worked good for him.”
It’s hahaha for you. Not to NZ supporter. Even if Jayasuriya had foresaw it he wouldn’t have used it cuz he’s a gentleman and know the rules of the game not like some others we can mention. Of course it’s a known fact around the world that aussies think they’re the only ones who is fit to play cricket. And also they’re the ones who are ready to any dirty work to win an important match. But i got to admit i didn’t expect a thing like that from Gilchrist who is the only player i like of the aussie team. Anyways i just read some of the comments written by people like CRICKET PLAYER, ADELAIDE OVAL and some other idiots who doesn’t seem to know the rules or the game. Yes Gilchrist is at perfect liberty to use any “PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT” but NOT “PERFORMANCE ENHANCING EQUIPMENT”. There was one (cricket player as i think) who had said according to physics the squash ball doesn’t make a difference to his ability to strike. From that he had managed to prove the fact he doesn’t know anything ’bout physics too. A professor from Germany had explained exactly how the ball helps him to strike the ball faster than usual. I’m not saying Gilchrist isn’t a power hitter but the squash ball enhanced this ability of his.
Finally all i’ve got to say to dunderheads like CRICKET PLAYER and ADELAIDE OVAL is learn the rules of the game first of all. And it might be good to learn physics from a recognised professor as they seem to know nothing ’bout science.
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Talk all you want Pub91 but the truth is that Gilchrist has rubbed Srilanka’s nose in the ground and he has done it really well :)
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Arnab
Oh yeah all i can see is somebody must rub your big, sniveling nose on the ground and certainly on the rule book of cricket; seriously. Didn’t see your name as much as often as other dunderheads now you can join the club too.
Arnab: “As long as Aussies are around you will have another day to cry”
There must be a correction in this. There is no doubt aussies are the best team ever. But as long as aussies are around they will discover new ways to cheat as they’ve always done. Everyone knows that except aussie fans of course. Not to mention barking mad morons such as YOURSELF on the loose :D
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Fools!!! Adam Gilchrist cheated!! Stop calling Lankans sore losers. Cricket is the sport that brings hope to a country suffering from corruption and a civil war. Of course the Lankans are complaining, they feel a great injustice done to them! The SL team wont complain for fear of getting punished by ICC. Gilly cheated 100%. If Sangakkara or Sanath did what Gilly did, they would be banned for sure. Kevin is correct. Aussies always evade the law like when Justin Langer was not banned for flicking off a bail and then appealing for hit wicket. I can go and on giving a list.
This is no minor issue and if the ICC tries to sweep this under the carpet then Malcolm Speed should be forced out of the ICC. He better hand the WC to SL or he is in danger of losing his Job.
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quote: Justin Langer was not banned for flicking off a bail and then appealing for hit wicket. I can go and on giving a list.
Please do, I would be interested to hear other cheating offences.
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Adelaide Oval
If aussies don’t cheat, have you ever wondered why people (except aussie fans) hate aussies? Usually in sports the best around becomes the idol of all. But with aussies it’s completely the opposite. They’re the most hated team.
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UGK: I am still waiting for examples of cheating. shouldn’t be that difficult to collate surely.
Pub91: not generalising here are you? Who hates them exactly? You? Well I guess that means the rest of the world does too. Twat! Where are you from? Would be interested to know.
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oval,
let’s see some incidents from the past.
aluminium bat-dennis lille(aus)
underarm ball-t.chappell(aus)
graphite coated bat-r.ponting(aus)
flicking of the bails-j.langer(aus)
doping-s.warne(aus)
squash ball-a.gilchrist(aus)
see how many times aussies tried to cheat.you’ll find that other teams tried to cheat to.but not this much.
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Hey this is actually boring now…..we all know Gilly is within rules and anyone who thinks otherwise is not in line with even the submission to ICC which just suggests against spiirit. Also no MCC has ruled not even against spirit…..so here is something more fun to discuss:
Best one day team ever:
BEST ONE DAY TEAM EVER: In batting order
1. Hayden, Matthew
2. Gillchrist, Adam (keeper)
3. Ponting, Ricky
4. Pietersen, Kevin
5. Richards, Viv
6. Tendulkar, Sachin (in his hay day, not present form)
7. Sobers, Garfield
8. Khan, Sir Imran
9. Warne, Shane
10. Hadley, Sir Richard
11. Akram, Wasim
YES I KNOW SOBERS WAS BEFORE ONE DAY CRICKET BUT IS THERE ANY DOUBT THE MAN WHO HIT Six 6’s in test cricket and is the greatest allrounder ever, wouldn’t have demolised one day cricket!!!! To keep it a bit fun I wanted to allow ONE selection from outside the 1 day era. (no Bradman though cause the great man is undisputed best batsman ever and I don’t think it would be doing the history of cricket or him any good to associate the ultimate test legend with the one day game)
Some interesting names that have to mention but can’t find a spot for them (remembering balance of team):
(1) The great Clive Lloyd (fantastic player – would like him there but like lara below decided to pip him for similar reasons. Lloyd realistically would probably have runs on the board to pip Pietersen but if I can’t fit Beefy in there I need an englishman in there somewhere!!!)
(2) Brian LARA (think he might push some but I prefer power of Pietersen and am a bit bias towards English having someone there (since I was born in UK)!! Other is Hayden but don’t like picking people out of the position they played ie opener but could push Lloyd into opening as he sometimes did)
Ian Botham, Waqar Younis, Sunil Gavaskar, Clive Lloyd, Allan Donald, Greg Chappell, Denis Lillie, Michael Bevan, Joel Garner, Curtly Ambrose, Sanath Jayasuriya, Murali would all have arguments to be in team. But the bowlers mentioned here, although some would arguably be better bowlers than some in team, couldn’t compete with the allronders selected who are all more than capable bowlers and give the team fearsome batting depth. Decided you need a spinner and although Murali was close second here Warnes batting and his greater ability to turn the ball gives him the nod for me. I also like Mushy but not quite enough to pip Warne or even Murali.
All said WHAT A TEAM!!!! Bats down to number 11 and the bowling lineup of Akram, Hadley, Khan, Sobers and Warne would be any batman’s NIGHTMARE!!!!!!
I know a lot of great names not here but who would make way for them? (remembering balance of team any suggestions?)
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adelaide oval:
hello in which world r u in not 2 knw dat nobody likes da aussie team?? And if u wanna knw da reason as well dat’s cuz of da dirty tactics they use when playing. If u r asking 4 examples Ian Healey saying things 2 da batsman 2 distract him whenever he’s playing really well. If they didn’t use tactics like dat nobody would dislike them.
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Adelaide Oval,
If you think that Sri Lanka hates Australia, you should come to New Zealand and see how much we hate you.
Ofcourse not for cricket, just for cheating in Rugby every time, for continuing to play after the whistle has blown just so you can score by cheating to win!! oh and heaps more.
Get off the hate mail, get a plane ticket!!
Go around the world and see how they feel about Australia!!
Not many people like Australia, and they will certainly never idolise in you.
Just because Australia kisses American arse does not make you great.
Take it from me, only Australians like Australians, and they seem to hate everyone else…oh exept the Americans.
At least americans play fair sport.
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Adelaide Oval,
please learn to speak properly. Words like ‘twat’ are for trashy third class persons. Just think about taking a intelligent and respectable approach, you will realise that you will get much further in life that way.
And perhaps people will learn to like the Aussies if they learned to be respectful once in a while, starting off with you.
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Cricket Player,
Great side. I’d bat Richards ahead of Pietersen though. I also wonder whether Hayden has enough long-term one day success to put him ahead of Greenidge, Barry Richards, Gavaskar, Jayasuriya and Gary Kirsten.
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Fernando:
Lillee, Chappell and Ponting acted within the rules that were in force at the time of the incidents you mention. The rules were later changed. Gilchrist acted within the rules according to the body responsible for their custody (MCC). Yes, Warne took drugs, but he’s not the only one, is he? You can’t say doping is something only Australians have done.
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It eems a few people are having trouble distinguishing between the Laws of Cricket and what they would like the Laws to be. If you still think Gilchrist broke the Laws, despite what the MCC said, go ahead and show us which specific Law(s) he broke.
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hey Pub91, I speak English, maybe you have heard of it?
fernando, you are a plank.
aluminium bat-dennis lille(aus) this was legal at the time, the rules were changed afterwards. how is this cheating?
underarm ball-t.chappell(aus) this was legal at the time, the rules were changed afterwards. how is this cheating?
graphite coated bat-r.ponting(aus) this was legal at the time, the rules were changed afterwards.
flicking of the bails-j.langer(aus) not sure which incident this is
doping-s.warne(aus) cheated and served his time
squash ball-a.gilchrist(aus) ruled not illegal by MCC, hence no cheating
I grant you, the underam delivery especially, was not in the spirit of the game. I think you will find that both Greg & Trevor Chappell have said that they would changed this decision, giving the benefit of hindsight.
Do you have any other examples of cheating? You seem to be very well informed.
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thanks for the elocution lessons Roxy, care to remove that chip on your shoulder now?
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Adelaide Oval,
No need to remove the “chip” off my shoulder. This website is just lots of fun at lunch time, we all have alot of fun laughing at you.
Thanks for the entertainment. I hope you know the meaning of “elocution”.
Another question, Are you employed at all???
To all the other Australians that are protecting Gilchrist in a respectable, grown up manner,
good on you for your loyalty to your country.
But you must understand, Sri Lankans have the right to be loyal too.
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Roxy, thanks for your insight. I actually work and live in the UK, been here 10 years, so your digs about me getting on a plane and seeing the world hold little water.
Maybe you would like to come over here and see that Aussies and Kiwis are held in the same regard, as hard working, fun people. We are not all that different, regardless of what you think.
As for your little rant on May 14th, would you say that is an “intelligent and respectable approach”?
Have a nice lunch. :-)
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to preempt any questions about Aussies and Kiwis in London, I would like to caveat my comment that I am not talking about the ones who frequent the Walkabout or Redback! ;-)
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Adelaide Oval,
I have actually been to the UK few times on business. The people are lovely, so much better than my experiences in Australia. And don’t think that I have no Aussie connectins, I am married to a Aussie from Sydney (Bondi Beach). He prefers New Zealand though, apparently the people and the country are better.
About May 14th, it cannot even begin to compare to the horrible things you say.
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well Roxy, there probably isn’t a thing I can say about your experiences in Australia, as I don’t know what happened. Sounds like you won’t let it go though. As for your husband, he is entitled to his opinion. Can you explain why there are so many Kiwis living iz Oz is they are treated like dirt?
I haven’t been to NZ yet, but I look forward to it one day, as I am sure it is amazing.
Not sure what I have said beside calling someone a twat or a plank, so horrible I grant you.
Enjoy!
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Adelaide Oval,
This is getting too old. The incident was almost a month ago. The ‘kiwis’ living in Oz are mostly maori people, they go there because they have more job oppertunities there than here, and the girls are easy in Oz. the maori boys in NZ hardly get anything good. That is the reason Adelaide Oval. Everything is so much easier there, especially the women mostly in Sydney.
As for me, got better things to do than dwell in situations which occured nearly a month ago. By the way, I never said the aussies treated me poorely, i merely said compared to the UK it wasn’t as good. I don’t know why, but the english are alot more likable. The whole argument was that not everyone in the world supports Australia, in reference to your comment on the 11th. Just thought you would like to know that Pub91 was correct in his statement.
And yes, my husband is entitled to his opinion and he is absolutely adorable.
All you Sri Lankan supporters,
Keep supporting your team, eventually someone will listen. And please don’t think that all Australians are as horribly opinionated as the ones in this chat room. Most Australians are lovely, fair people. Just think about Tom Moody, isn’t he just lovely? I’m sure he would agree with all you Sri Lankan supporters too, despite being Australian.
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As I said previously Roxy, lose that chip on your shoulder, your attitude is tiresome. You should look at Kiwi women before judging another country.
And yes, you’re right, this is discussion is well past it’s use by date.
Hooroo!
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