Till 9/11, terrorism was viewed through the telescope of cliches. Poor, angry, illiterate, ignorant, impressionable youth in despotic countries who hated “our way” of life, we were told, were being drawn into its fold. But the London blasts of July 2005, and now the failed Glasgow attacks, show that a seismic shift has taken place, is taking place, in the demographic profile of the agents of terror.
For one, you have the spinechilling spectacle of those who cure trying to kill. Then you have people doing PhDs in computational fluid dynamics driving jeeps into airports. But the real shocker is where they come from: not the sleazy bylanes of Shivajinagar but upper middleclass BTM. And born not of poor cycle mechanics—as the stereotype goes—but of rich doctors who speak English impeccably.
Poverty? Illiteracy? Ignorance? Rich-poor divide?
It’s an odd travesty. Or may be not so odd. That terror, too, should be outsourced to the world’s capital of outsourcing. Probably, it was cheaper to get it done by people half way around the world. Probably, the time difference helped get more bang for the buck. Probably, the English language proficiency. Probably, the climate in Bangalore is ideal for the growth of another sunrise industry?
From today’s Indian Express:
“Everything we know so far, including the bits that especially matters to us as Indians, about the failed Glasgow bombings, can be put under the subhead of globalisation. Al-Qaeda, supposedly the mastermind of the healers as killers plot, is globalised politics of fanaticism. Britain’s National Health Service is a national project that would shut down without global movement of skilled labour. Four out of 10 doctors in the NHS were trained outside Britain. Indians, nearly 28,000 of them, are the largest foreign contingent. Bangalore, the city that seems to be the epicentre of the India connection in the Glasgow case, is India’s best symbol of success under globalisation. But it is now also the locus of two less celebratory discussions connected with globalisation.
“First, has globalised terror finally succeeded in recruiting educated Indians? Infosys, not Al-Qaeda, was supposed to be our response to globalisation. If there is a sub-plot in that narrative, there is no point letting either leftwing political correctness or rightwing political demagoguery obfuscate it. It could be true that Indian middle class professionals who come up on the terror radar are indoctrinated abroad. It is also true that plenty separates India from Pakistan, and Middle Eastern and North African countries, the usual hunting grounds for Al-Qaeda’s HR managers. But these countries are not India’s reference points. If young men from affluent families in Bangalore turn out to be willing executives of global terrorism, we have to not only understand why Britain may want to have deeper background checks but also why the Indian middle class story is faltering in some cases. There is more than just the acceptability of skilled Indian migrants at stake here…”
We are aware of militant groups existing in our country, yet no initiative has been implemented to source its route of development. THE GLOBAL TERRORISTS ARE SURE TO HAVE SCORED A MORAL VICTORY OVER THE INTELLIGENCE.
The recent attempt in glasgow only proves the lack of intelligence input, or an advanced form of terrorism from the least expected quarters, the saviors turned killer. Its for the entire world to stand up as one unit to erradicate terrorism from its root.
Zulfi can you explain this please? Thanks!
Oh, come, come, Mr Thotti Buddi. You can do better than dropping these monosyllabic, self-ingratiating pearls of wisdom. Why should it be Zulfi’s task to explain everything that happens in or involves his community? Has he given you the idea that he is a repository of all knowledge about Islam or Muslims? As the all-seeing sage of Churumuri can’t you do it yourself? Or are you only going to do it when a Hindu or Christian or Sikh or Buddhist or whoever you are gets involved in something similar?
As for me, this is what I feel. I feel terrorism is more complicated than we can imagine. But it is easy to label people and say Indian Muslims are under a cloud or that Bangalore is outsourcing terror. But why? I suspect the answer is the same as well educated Hindus feeling the need to pull down the Babri masjid or masscare women and children in Gujarat. In other words, a mad indoctrination caused by any number of possible reasons—brainwashing, a perceived sense of injury, pure hatred, etc.
churumuri seems to think that pedigree is something that has happened only post 9/11. It clearly seems to have forgotten that Bin Laden himself is a man of pedigree. A rich Saudi. Terrorism is not just an Islamic phenomenon. People of virtually every community have been in it in some form or the other. It’s only the current 9-11 cycle that has got embroiled in this shameful stereotyping. And we are not helping matters by playing into the hands of the west by painting it as a clash of civilisations.
ur logic seems to be even more screwed up than the brand of camera in ur name.cunnning retarted nauseating hypocrite. The reason doddi is asking Z is becoz he was the one waging jihad on churumuri.now shut up.Ur tsunami of bullcrap isnt gonna influence anybody
Il-Qaida, unlike geniuses like you who indulge in name-calling behind the cover of anonymity, I have the courage to stand up for what I believe in my own name. It may or may not please you, but then I am not here to reassure you of your innermost fears or fantasies. Like Thotti Buddi, I invite you to add to the debate instead of hiding behind silly misspelt adjectives which say more about you than about me.
The news coming from Australia and britain seems to suggest that terrorism is outsourced to Bangalore. In my experience, educated muslims from Karnataka coming to improve their career and life style seem to think that they hve more in common with their fundamentalist brotherns from Middle East than with us non-muslims from Karanataka. Often, they keep on talking about thier religion, and I have so far in my 35 years of living outside India failed to draw muslim NRIs into discussion about Kannada, Karnataka culture, Mysore and its heritage. They seem to know so very little about these aspects even though they were born in Karanataka and lived in parts of karnataka before coming to the West.
As I see it the problem lies in the way education is delivered to muslims in India and in Karnataka. Learning Kannada in schools gets low priority as
they fo Islamic primary school, attend English medium classes and take URDU and have very little association with the language of the state-Kannada in which they were born. As every one knows, one gets a sense of belonging, stake-holding interest and patriotism in one has a deep sense of cultural links to the state where one is born. Very few muslims have this in Karnataka, and this looseness and ambivalence of patriotism is exhibited clearly by a large number of muslim professionals from Karanataka I have met in USA, Australia and Europe. This makes them recruiting fodder for terrorism.
Bring back POTA, that is the only legitimate solution. See this site
When are we ready to call a spade a spade. It is very clear now that almost all terrorists are muslims. All the blogers are trying to be very careful in their wording. probably they do not want to affend any one. How long are we going to keep quiet? Indians are peace loving, at the cost of their future citizens- their Children. India belongs to them and it is our duty to safe gaurd it for them. Let our politicians wake up, and do some thing. It is Bangalore now, what next??!!
Why play with words? reality is…
Though not all muslims are terrorists…
Definitely all terrorists are Muslims!
Face the reality!
it is a shock to those schooled in the social “sciences”, i.e., those have their eyes on theories but have no ear to the ground.
how would say somebody like karanth analyze it and contrast that with how somebody like Ram analyse or even your fav TV intellectual or even our own dear PM analyze it.
(remember karanth’s incisive and prophetic pronouncements on the Soviet experiment in the then India and contrast that with submissive & apologetic paens to Chinese experiment given our current knowledge by our other leading thinker.)
theories about poverty & insufficient secularism are the in stock idealogical carpet bombs dropped in the fog of war that have in turn raised so much dust, that visibility is now further reduced. This at a time when commando style sharp shooting is what is needed.
It is time it is realized that theories have failed the test of space & time.
You can see a zillions clips of it, but you have to go ground zero to see what hatred is for example.
“Poverty? Illiteracy? Ignorance? Rich-poor divide?”
Let us say it like it is. The answer is in the psychological need for security in the form of identity. People come up with all sorts of beautiful and fantastic theories in which they seek certainity and identity. Religion is one such idea.
Hindu, muslim, jain, buddhist, marxist, libertarian; all ideas that tend to give their believers a certain sense of permanence in an insecure world. This need for security straddles the whole gamut of Humanity, regardless of ethnicity, race or wealth.
Threaten this identity and you bring out another characteristic common to all humans: the ability for violence.
Some religions could be more prickly about their sense of identity than the others, but, they all share the capacity for insecurity and great violence.
Ideals, theories and beliefs create divisons and hence violence/conflict. They run in tandem, eternally.
First he is detained for questioning for God’s sake……….. and you started out with Muslims under cloud. for what? Now , you are making it up as though he was convicted. Good thing…….
Evan a guy or two did ………..for the sake of argument what does that prove? All Muslims are like them…….?
C’mon guys the terrorism you guys are talking is not the “terrorism”. Its loonatic act of fringe elements. the real terror is that you are sorrounded by thousands of fanatic and all ready to burn you…..remeber the jaffer MP from gujrat ………think about it you and your family are in your aprtment sorrounded by thousands of blood thirsty fanatics… you call all the police, military, the power that be…….but no one helps and you are finally burnt by these teroorists……….thats terror…………thats terrorism……and they are not oone or two……they are in thousands ….still roamin freee…
Hello is anyone there ..to wage war against terrorism….. heloooo…. sombody there….
Dodda budii I can not disappont you…so am here…waging “jihad” as “Il-quada” said. If you can not accept counter view point, what is the purpose of discussion? If you want all to say…..monotonous…….the one you wqant to hear …..you have plenty of brahmin foroums to head to.
I like tarlesubba last line “You can see a zillions clips of it, but you have to go ground zero to see what hatred is for example.”
So someon needs to head to ground, you will amze to find where the hatred lies.
What an excuse!
Muslim population in India become a liabality to nation. The latest one being the failed UK bombing episode. Solution for this is not very simple but the first step towards solving the issue is to accept that there is some issue @ first place. Muslims must accept that there is some thing wrong in the way some of the members of the community have been educated. Congress govt must stop ralaying behind the community for petty votes and lok natin as a whole.
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: Sane, ordinary Muslims must stand up and be counted
These nihilists undermine our fundamental right to belong in this country
Published: 02 July 2007
As they wake up to news of the foiled car-bomb attack on Glasgow Airport, I know what millions of my compatriots – atheists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians – will be saying, their easy Sunday ruined by yet another alleged Islamicist plot: “What’s wrong with these crazed Muslims?” “Why the hell are they here if they hate it so much?” “When will we be rid of the lot of them?” “What do they want?” “Other minorities also have a hard time, they don’t blow up nightclubs and airports”.
What these aggrieved Britons don’t realise is that exactly the same conversations are taking place in most Muslim households too, with many more expletives flying. Sane, ordinary British Muslims are even less forgiving of such nihilists, whose barbarism undermines our fundamental right to belong to this country as absolute equals. These are hobby terrorists with screwdrivers and screwed heads; they appropriate legitimate concerns, turn them into excuses on their own violent reality shows, sure to be broadcast again and again on screens around the world.
With no politics, no aim, no dreams, no noble imperative, for these Islamicists and their ideological masters, the means is the end. They are at once satanic abusers of our faith and social misfits unloved by all except their own reject band of brothers. Scorned by those they claim to defend, the dreaded sociopaths now seem determined to wound fatally the social contract made between this country and Muslim citizens. Only each assault deepens our sense of nationhood. We still rail against racism and unethical government policies – and I do so incessantly, as you know. Unlike self-righteous neocon liberals, we see how our young are profoundly affected by Iraq and Palestine. However, when bloodthirsty Islamicists strike, we experience a collective intensification of our attachment to Britain. There is no place like this home for us, the only place we want to live and die in.
On Saturday night, at a lavish Shia wedding in Hertfordshire, Muslim guests were livid about “these bastards giving us a bad name”. “Send them packing to the Middle East or Pakistan,” said a solicitor to much cheering at one table. “Time to say we love this country. For Muslims, no better country – that’s why so many want to come over,” added a businessman, who had come here penniless and turned his fortunes around within 10 years.
The father of the bride, too, arrived in Britain with little and joined a small English family firm. He brought entrepreneurial energy; they gave him encouragement and support. This ultra-loyal immigrant for many years led the pre-dawn prayers at our main mosque in Kensington.
As we enter another hyper-crisis period, the danger is we will again succumb to the dystopian nightmare of irreconcilable clashes and culture wars. Calls for draconian laws are sure to ring through the nervous land, although thus far the new government sounds more temperate.
The measured response is an acknowledgement that few Muslims now excuse the killing brigades. The apologist Muslim Council of Britain, whose leader was knighted by Mr Blair, is a spent force. It tried to incite rage and riot over Salman Rushdie’s knighthood and failed. Muslims realise what a disaster that confrontation was for both sides. Now, the MCB grovels and seeks rehabilitation. Ex-militant Ed Hussain and Hassan Butt have written denunciations of fellow jihadis. The hardline Hizb-ut Tahrir asks Muslims not to “fuel dangerous political agendas”. These organisations have been humbled and discredited.
One Independent reader, a graduate, described how Islamicists operated on campus. An idealistic young woman, she fell for the leader, a charismatic man who all too soon did her head in and wrapped it up in a cloak of his choosing: “He commanded me to declare I hate this country and got me into a niqab. Then one day I heard him chatting up this new student and he was saying exactly the same things to her as he said to me when we met, about beautiful eyes, and how he loved women with spirit. I told him to bugger off.” Her hair is lovely in the photo she sent me, free now as she is.
I am not naive. Islamicists are cunning and well-connected. Their backers pretend to believe in liberal democracy while plotting its demise. But there are now passionate Muslim democrats standing up to be counted.
Imran Ahmad, young trustee of British Muslims for Secular Democracy, writes in Unimagined, his evocative memoir: “I have had great opportunities and choices. There still is racism in the indigenous society, it’s undeniable … but [compare] Britain to all those so-called Islamic countries, where tribalism is endemic and anything is used as an excuse for discrimination, hatred and mistreatment: village, clan, family, sect, province, class, money, gender, occupation, even shade of skin. At least Britain is committed to implement the highest ideals – personal freedom, social equality, human rights and justice.”
With friends like these, Britain can beat its enemies within. Have faith; a time will come when jihadis will terrorise our lives no more.
I don’t think the social scientists should begin to analyse the ‘outsourcing’ of terror to Bangalore, until charges are actually made by authorities!!! And until our investigative agencies can start finding traces of such ‘outsourcing’ in real terms.
Why is Churumuri responding to this like a 24 hours TV channel, which has nothing better to do but create loops around something which is really small, and make it into a mountain? Dangerous trend, this. The paranoia of the West seems to be flowing along with the news.
Friends lets not single out Zulfi or Muneer .Why keep asking them questions ? Is it their fault to be muslims ?
Havent we had Muslim neighbours and friends while growing up? Havent we dined and had fun together ?
For some Idiots lets not brand the entire community .We have lots of Muslims brothers who contributed to our language, culture and to Karnataka .
because, i repeat…
Though not all muslims are terrorists…
Definitely all terrorists are Muslims!
and likes of Zulfi keep repeating that the bangalore boy”not convicted”…so when was Mr Modi convicted? he was convicted by only media…
and these Goebbels keep repeating Kauser Bee……..remeber the jaffer MP from gujrat ………….etc., but NEVER TALK ABOUT HOW IT ALL STARTED…GODHRA TRAIN ATTACK by who else, people from a “particular community”!
that is the reason for questioning Zulfi/ Muneer/ or whoever…acts like Buddhi Jeevi/ Pseudo Secularist/Human rights activists
Thank you. Looks like you don’t have much to say at this point–but I am sure you are assisting the local authorities…
You are a comic genius!
Precisely! I have friends like Hameed, Fazil, Munir and others but that was in in the 80s. These days there are more walls and that has led to some of these self-styled ‘jihad’ warriors.
Somewhere in this ‘Jihad’ cacophony the sane words of Ranga has been lost. He makes a great point. One recent example brings it home vividly: Recently Swami Ravishankar of Art of Living Fame went to Iraq and wanted to do his breathing technique session for the local Iraqis to relieve them of stress. Guess what, the highest Muslim clergy in Iraq accepted it and only a dissenter objected to this practice saying it is Hindu yoga. And he was a Jallandhar born Indian Muslim! Can you understand the perversity of this behavior? Can you?
Well Zulfi what do you think? I am asking you because you seem to be a reasonable chap with some prejudices–just like me. Do you know any of Indian culture or do you know anything Indian? Answer my friend…If you look deeply within your own community and its walls, may be you will understand that why Sabeel Ahmed drove that jeep in Glasgow!
I donno how from nowhere Brahmins and banias creep into the otherwsie vacuous head of this Z guy.And this pigcrapper
has the audacity to say “If you can not accept counter view point, what is the purpose of discussion?”.What bullshit?
You think you have ever accepted the other point of view? When a salman rushdie of ur own community tried to expose
the crap that was inherent in ur ways and ur scriptures, what do you do except for the hoarse calls to execute him?
what do you do to taslima nasrin? bullshitting hypocrites, both you and your intellectual bretheren.Have you ever had
the testicular fortitude to stand up and disown all the pernicious drivel up ur religious canons that are antithetcial
to todays society? Like blowing urself up for the execution of kafirs, so that u get to lay your hands on those 72
virfgins at heaven.. what puky nonsense is this? have you had teh testicular fortitudde to say that this was
balderdash? Any of you or ur intellectuals?.Now dont tell that we dont need to reply to some il-qaida, a blogger
Both Hinduism and chritianity have respected the opposite point of view. The charvakaites(or lokayatas/hedonists) have
as hich a heritage as that of the vedic religion in India. The copernicus, renaissance and the newtonian era undid the
draconian hold of the church and bible.
This has to start up in Islam. The Zs and yaschicas need to do this. Instead u still breast beat on gujrat? if buring
a bakery was terrorism, then wa sthe buring of train containing women and children some haj
piligrimage..nauseating..ur jihadi dispostion doesnt seem enthusing for the future at all..
And my dear yaschica, u puky evil retard.You name seems to rhyme with kafeel and habeel..I suspect that u work for
NHS..and you talk of ‘logic’. A question as naive as ” how do u know”, applied recursively by Hume served as the
empiricist wrecking ball and was able to destroy all ‘logic’, including causality. And you talk oflogic.This being
the case, even an imbecile is enough to vanquish you on all ur cheasp logic.
Its time to call spade a spade.
Reason shoud replace religion.
I have reproduced Text of Vivekananda’s discourse on what is wrong with our religions here. http://nadunudi.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/sab-ko-sanmati-de-bhagwan/
Probably Catholic and Hindu religions had good fortune of evolution into critical reasoning , where as blind following leaves Islam in the prehistoric times. Time to take mullas to task.
The main idea of this post trying to prove or even suggest that: “has terrorism been outsourced” is such an absurd idea. Zero marks for the analogy. In more than half the post, the author doesn’t make sense. What is this supposed to mean: “Probably, it was cheaper to get it done by people half way around the world. Probably, the time difference helped get more bang for the buck.”, complete humbug. I’m shocked that churumuri which has put up some good posts in the past has resorted to such irresponsible gossip mongering.
And, as always, as any post on terrorism takes a communal hue, this one has too, evident from the comments.
Idefend the posting title, “How terror, too, was outsourced to Bangalore” and the resoning behind it. Every serious organisation that has studied terrorism- International Institute of Strategic Studies, Institute of War Studies In London,Brookings Institute etc.. and respected terrorism experts like Paul Wilkinson of St Andrews University, have said time and again that be it Tamil Tigers or Al-Queda be it poor Tamil foot soldiers concripted in the Tamil-speaking parts of Srilanka or those foot soldiers trained in Madrasas of Pakistan or the Bin Laden outfits in Afghanisatan which the 7/7 bombers in London were the ‘terrorism fodder’. It is ‘more bang for the cheaper buck’. Has any one heard of the brains behind these terrorist movements blowing up their own brains? They are comfortably hiding behind the foliages of forrests of Trinkomalie in Srilanka or mountains of Afghanistan using these brainwashed idiots to further their ends. Bin Laden it is said meanwhile has been busy sowing wild oats!
From what I have noticed, most muslims tend to either get defensive by blaming IRAQ, Chechnia, Gujarat, etc. or get into denial mode by blaming acts of islamist terrorism on a massive international conspiracy aimed at bringing their “peaceful” religion into disrepute. But I am yet to come across any muslim who unequivocally condemns these heinous acts. There’ll always be a if or a but. Never do they come out strongly against these fanatics like Hindus or Christians or Jews do. For example, the outpouring of condemnation from Hindus (who do not identify themselves with right wing elements) to the post-Godhra riots can never find a parallel among muslims. They always try to justify right wing sentiments and fanatic acts by their fellow religionists in one way or the other. Shame!
Talking about muslim medicos from Karnataka and their loyalty to ‘their fighting brethern’, Mysoreans of my vintage would rember that a muslim doctor who had his clinic in VV Market area was charged with spying for
Pakistan with the intention of comitting terrorist acts when India and
pakistan were locked into the Bangla war.
A few months before the war the doctor’s patients noticed the heavy travelling engagements the doctor had who often returned to the clinic looking as if he needed sleep. The explanation given to the patients was that the doctor being such a good physician was in such demand in other states, that he had to travel to see his patients in those states many times during the week. This was spread by word of mouth to other patients looking for a good family doctor and the good doctor’s patient number multiplied so much that he had to acquire adjoining premises for his clinic.
meanwhile the doctor’s neighbours noticed builders working to build additional living quarters to his already large house. The reason given was that these were for his out-of -state patients, and soon people noticed ‘patients’ coming for short stay in these new quarters. His neighbours swallowed all these until they noticed a long mast erected at the top of these quarters. The explanation was that the good doctor had to communicate with his patients who often come from Northern India and given the state of wired telecommunication technology at that time, he found that the wireless communication to be more effective. I used to bicycle through the street where the doctor had his huge bangalow and also noticed the antenna and as some one who had a reasonably good knowledge of telecommunications often wondered about the necessity of having a high-powered antenna, and the power of the set that was sending the wireless messages.
The doctor got so confident that the visits to his quarters by these patients became more frequent, and when Bangla war was declared his absences from his clinic also became more frequent. The visits by his ‘patients’ became so intense that one of the neighbours who just escaped getting hurt by the expensive-looking car carrying one of ‘paients’ complained to the police. The rest was history. After investigations, the doctor was arrested as a Pakistani spy communicating with the enemy. The doctor and his’associates’ were loaded with money, and no doubt he hired expensive lawyers. I recollect that his bail fee set at a very high level was paid immediately, and he was out for time. I do know that he was prosecuted eventually. I wonder what has happened to him later.
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So there was a Muslim spy in Mysore.
There are many stories of Hindus who were traitors during the British times. And of Hindu and Christian spies after independence who spied for Pakistan, China, USA, Russia etc. So what?
You asked the right questions. I guess people who have a mindset of hatred will hate. They will not remember the real people who they knew, only the perceptions which they receive from family stories/gossip and what is fed by the media. They will generalize about a million people by the actions of a few crazies. I bet the ones calling people of one community terrorists will be the first ones to jump up and defend themselves if some nutjob started a thread about say the continued inequities and suffering in hindu social setup originally created by the brahmins…
AG , Rightly said .
Swamy Ranga , A few years back there were lot of High Ranking Military Officials ( all of them Hindu ) who compromised the nations security by sharing confidential documents with Pakistan . You must have known the high ranking Military official who was a CIA operative and absconding in US .
Let us not forget the Kashmiri Police and many officers who have been killed fighting terrorists .
The scary part is there are probably thousands of people in tannery road, shivaji nagar and bamboo bazaar areas of B’lore who probably think of Dr. Hanif or Sabeel Ahmed or whoever as a hero. They do this not out of sheer ignorance, but because of the insulated walls these muslim communities live in. For god’s sake there are madarasa’s in Bangalore where no one has the balls to question what goes on in there. This does’nt surprise me one bit that a Banglorean muslim was invloved in this terrorist act…………although it is a matter of shame…
hey guys its not the question of labelling a community for its deeds, does any literate person shoulder any moral responsibility to inform the right people.
The neighbourhood, friends, parents, kith and kins and the group which is hooked on to a fanaticism are equally responsible for the misdeed (if proved). Any incident and every incident can be avoided if we as a responsible citizens of this great nation take moral responsibility. please remember a butcher cannot become a doctor, well if a doctor tries to become a butcher the result would be worldwide publicity remember from britain to banashankari is no distance at all.
Once again, to the point of sounding like a broken record. NO CHARGES HAVE YET BEEN FILED. The story is varying in every newspaper, about the identities, the connections etc. No firm connections have been proven yet, people are only being questioned.
The headlines in Deccan Herald screamed out this morning and I read every word to see whether anything was logically linked yet. NO, a big firm NO. The headlines are so bloody misleading, if I was Haneef, I would come back and sue the paper. And DH has accused the suspects of being ‘believers’, as though believing in one’s faith/religion was a crime in itself. Who is running the show at DH these days? Some disguised VHP person? The Hindu, in contrast, has been cautious and fair, and my respect for the newspaper has risen manifold. I prefer to be in this camp of journalism, and not the pseudo hype-creating flights of imagination which pass of as news stories these days. You are playing with people’s lives for God’s sake, not just getting fodder for meaningless banter in the blogosphere.
DB, it is not Sabeel, but his brother who is alleged to have been in the jeep. But you have given the classic example of how stories get twisted. New York Times reports that the person fighting for his life is possibly a Lebanese national.
Somehow, we never seem to raise such a hue and cry when Hindu ‘nationalists’ (read fundamentalists) break the law on a daily basis, terrorising academics, greeting card shops, young people in love, by damaging property and getting away with it! There is always a way to push this under the carpet from public memory.
Let us assume that the oldest of the Ahmed brothers is definitely the mastermind, yes, he will face the consequences if he survives. Why drag an entire family and the whole community into this, as though everyone is to blame for his militant leanings?
Tomorrow, some looney Hindu fundamentalist might decide to blow up a mosque in a far away place, and he might be seperated by two degrees from most of us, because we all do know people who would kill, or atleast wish to kill in the name of Hinudism, don’t we? Next, it will be our names, our reputations being splashed all across the papers, for no fault other than merely knowing a looney.
Wake up, it could be you in Haneef’s place tomorrow, who, for the record has not been charged.
Take it easy!
I hope you are not going to be the next belt-bomb assassin like Dhanu against the “Hindu” fundamentalists!
Doddi Buddi, even if I was , I would have to kill you before I told you.
If you must know, many Hindus have used their influence and they have managed to stop the judicial probe against the doctors from India involved in the latest failed bombing in UK. are you happy now?
In fact, the word on the street is London is that MMS personally told the British govt that the failed bombings had the handiwork of Hindu fundamentalists all over it. “See it this way, my British friends. When there is a real terrorism threat and an actual realization of the threat, Indians will only say no community can be held responsible. So just get on with your lives. We are cheerfully coping with daily Hindu terrorism in India as you very well know and I am sad to say UK is at last painfully realizing this fact.”
This is a case of ‘all nonsense is good news!
I can see that you are doing fine as it were–carry on carping against the Hindu fundamentalists!
Do you think the British government and authorities work like Indian ministers, that anyone can “use their influence” to stop a judicial probe? How myopic can you be, that you think these British Hindus have succeeded in stopping a probe? Does it even occur to you that the probe might be stopped, if it is so, because the nothing could be proven against the suspects? And whose is this word on the streets of London? You would have made an excellent yellow journalist, if you aren’t one already.
Ah Vinutha Malliah
Cant you see my dear, I posted my nice secular story under “This is a case of ‘all nonsense is good news!” QED
Ahh these secular simpletons!
Carping? Hahaha. No, DB. I am all-out attacking. And I am identifying myself, which is something you don’t have the balls to do. And, I am not one to differentiate fundamentalism in religious terms. Hindu or Muslim, fundamentalism is the same rose.
I have no way of telling whether you are using your real name or you work for Dawood Ibrahim. The point is are you enabled with common sense? In your case, the answer must be NO.
Your strategy on Churumuri has always been to attack people personally when you run out of arguments which pertain to the discussion at hand, so you must have a lot of common sense, which thankfully I don’t. And yes, between Doddi Buddi and Vinutha Mallya, figuring out which is the real name would be a case for Sherlock Holmes. Nimma buddhi doddadagey ittukolli saar, common sense adra meley icing maadi haaki.
Just trawled the web and found your contacts. You are real and if you can accept a compliment: “a very agreeable and a pleasant looker” Sorry I have to hide because I live in a society “where a nail dares not to raise its head (else it would be hammered down”-just making it clear to you.
Interestingly you have not commented on the simple conjecture I have posed to our friend Zulfi on the disconnect muslims have from anything to do with India. Ranga wrote very simply and elegantly on that and I was only following up. I know you are going to hit me with Shabana, Karim Khan, Kalam, ole Bismillah Khan and others. But the mullahs are always training the Sabeels the Hanifs into martyrdom. Does that ever occur to you? Can you see the disconnect? A Hindu Sherlock Holmes would have said, “Elementary my dear Mallya.”
BTW VS Naipaul is one of favorite writers and I wish you had a chance to meet him during your stay in the UK. May be MI5 tipped him off and he feared for his life and hence declined to meet you perhaps?
DB, even though it isn’t worth picking on you, my last retort this one is: I have been responding all along only to the question whether terror has been outsourced to India. All other conjectures, especially about the disconnect faced by Muslims, whether in India or globally, is a discussion which is independent of this post. I can see, feel and analyse the disconnect that a lot of groups, and not Muslims alone feel.
I have, after past experience, stopped reading much of what you write, because I don’t learn anything new from it. And certianly you do not participate in these discussions to exchange ideas, but merely treat it as a forum where you can put forth half baked thoughts and ideas to an unsuspecting readership and indulge in stupid mud slinging.
What I did and didn’t do during my stay in UK, Doddi Buddi avare, is really not any of your business.
You are a secular fundamentalist! You see no humor in anything you read or experience because that is your way of looking at things. I respect that–any body who cannot appreciate irony in their own beliefs and responses are automatically on my list–doomed species deserving embalming ole Soviet style.
When I hold you to specific issues, you generalize and trivialize. I am sure you are going to end up as VC in one of our seats of learning and your left leanings will be so obvious there won’t be any right hand side doors or lanes in that University:)
Surely what you did or did not do in London is no business of mine. I have to take it on the chin and move on.
I indicated the fact that Pakistan Intelligence sevice was able to recruit a doctor who was born, brought and educated in Mysore, and who had no history of even stepping out of Karanataka. I was also indicating that his religion overrode his sense of patriotism and the ethos of his profession. He had a perfect cover as a doctor which is of topical interest. It was said at the trial that he was prepared to sabotage any installation in Karanataka.
Ranga and Dodda Buddi,
After going through the above conversation, It is no use to argue with you guys. You guys do not come with open mind…. always with jaoundice view.
Ranga, the list of traiters is long and if you read more often .its alwys your swarnakamal people. so stop quoting.
Is it me or KP is rally going tango with sunaad raghuram jouralistic way?
Jaundice or not
more and more details are pouring out on these “detained” docs…
where are the people who advocated about their innocense?
Muslims – do not forget to vote for the Congress and its UPA friends,
or POTA+++++ will be back. Bevare!!
As the guy from Australia had a one way ticket to Bangalore, Malliah should issue one way ticket at concession to all of them to Pakistan!!
Do not try to defend the indegensible. Today the muslims in Glasgow where the Islamic terrorists tried to blow up the airport with people took to the streets condemning the Islamic terrorism. The fact that the Islamic terrorist who drove the vehicle in Glasgow came from Bangalore is a shame on all muslims in that city who allowed the fundamentalists breed among themselves. It is muslims wherever they live are prepared to’bite the hand that feeds them’, destroy the very country they live putting their religion above patriotism and loyalty to the country they reside.
i think ranga you are stretching the point wrt this case. apparently tipu dargah in blr took serious objections to these guys peddling deobandi ideas and kicked them out. read the papers.
You are a comci genuis!
Kudos to Jayanagar, Bangalore RTO
for bagging the order from Iraq!
for issuing an International drivers license to an Iraqui citizen…
have they outsourced the driving tests to Bangalore?
I am more interested what the dargah id Bangalore is doing fighting extremists. Kicking a few out does not solve the problem, but defeating them with arguments do. From what I hear this had not happened and it was time for the government to have done something about it and nothing was done.
Some bloggers demanding a higher standard of proof on the ‘Bangalore’ link will not be disappointed! Very soon the police, of all places, from Bangalore will reveal more about them…but then again, these ‘types’ may say, “any evidence in India can be manufactured; the law is unfair to minorities.”
I believe your all dillusional.
Will this maddening spiral of death and destruction ever stop? Is there a way out?
Can Bangalore respond to these blasts and how. Be very careful before listening to Narrow Minded and extremely gutless People who influence many supposedly educated people – many of whom are on this blog.
We have a government talking big against terrorism, support it with their actions. How much donations did do they get?
The CM Yediyurappa has let down the state by having Gujarat CM Modi at the swearing in and now to follow Gujarat’s model, which manufactures cheap fakes. Such a gutless and cheap people as the Gujjus yet to be seen, they butchered a section of minorities and celebrated screaming out.
But pardon me did they tell all what happened to Gujaratis in 4 other countries, 3 in Africa and 1 in E. Europe who were given the same treatment 10 times over. Entire Gujju families slaughtered, properties earned over a 100 years or more seized (in one country more than 1 lakh Hindus lost entire savings, property and their women…!!) and guess what they told shameless Modi when he interfered. You telling us cheapo….get lost, and went back to rape & loot more. Is this what Non Gujju Indians, Kannadigas want?
So when in Bangalore are 1000 people going to murder pregnant woman and kick her in the stomach, burn babies and when are Kannadigas going to get it in other places.
In Kargil 5 peaks are still with the Pakis, more than 400 militants/ terrorists were given safe passage thru Indian soil to end the Kargil Conflict which was called a War for votes (India never declared war on Pakistan on that occasion). More than 1200 of our soldiers killed to remove mostly untrained Mujahideen because of political interference where the army should have taken a decision. Electronic weaponry was not provided as BJP leaders were bargaining for the highest commissions – check it out.
Is this a victory? A shame on India, called a victory.
Shame India Shame you fed the terrorists biriyani and safely sent them thru and lied only like we Indians can & others want to believe Shit is Gold.
In the Afghanistan plane hijack, the same gutless but big talking government without considering options let go off Top Terrorists and they have the guts to scream against terrorism.
This cheap BJP government made up of the uneducated asked for it, and we have to pay for it.
Come on their criminal Sriramulu with dacoit cases pending threatened HDK to put him in jail within 5 days of coming to power, who would transfer power – BJP were not cheated, but people lapped up their cheap twisted nonsense.
The useless JD(S) with a father son combo and the Congress could not even explain this to the people – the people on their part believed all that the communalists had to say.
India and Bangalore will lose its sheen under these cheapos, go on ask who started Gujarat – no not Modi it was Godhra. Excuse me but why did the VHP torch a train of their own people to start it all to ready cadres, even if the Mossies did it – ask them they will say You Guys, then we say …on and on.
Cmon it was started by the VHP-RSS and their illegal other organisations, burning in Orissa, Gujarat, provoking in Assam and a hundred other places for Votes.
Expect more and respond by not fearing and moving around, there will be much more as long as this government made up of cheap rabble are around.