VINUTHA MALLYA writes: Even as we woke up to newspaper headlines that the Australian police was not to seek extension of Indian doctor Mohammed Haneef’s detention, television and internet headlines have dashed all hopes for the young doctor and his family.
Haneef has finally been charged, after mounting pressure and criticism on the Australian Police from within and outside the country for detaining him without charge.
The Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty confirming the charges pinned against Haneef. The “specific allegation” according to the honourable commissioner “regards recklessness rather than intention”. The allegation is that he was “reckless about some of the support he provided to that UK group in particular the provision of his SIM card for the use of the group.”
If found guilty Haneef faces a maximum of 15 years in jail.
Fifteen years!
The Australian Police seems to have crumbled under the pressure of having to press a charge, and finally decided to pin a flimsy one just to ensure they showed a “hardline approach” towards terrorism.
The prime minister of that country, John Howard, has gone on record praising the detention of Haneef without any charge, adding that Australia will continue its hardline approach towards terrorism.
Hardline is one thing, but manipulating facts for face-saving?
Haneef had admitted to having given the SIM card to Sabeel Ahmed, his friend and distant cousin, before leaving the UK last year. In fact, the SIM card was the link from UK to Haneef in the case. The SIM card was the only reason Haneef was detained and has now become the only reason for his being charged.
Did it take the Australian police 12 days to decide that the SIM card was method of “support” to a terrorist organisation? The SIM card was given last year and it isn’t established yet, whether Kafeel Ahmed and Bilal Abdullah had even planned the attacks on Glasgow Airport as far back as then.
But, above all, if Haneef had known his SIM card was going to be used for a terrorist attack, wouldn’t be smart enough not to give it to them, knowing fully well that SIM cards leave an electronic trail and are traceable?
Would he not have covered his tracks?
Would he have waited to be traced, just days after becoming a father of a newborn?
Something does not add up here. Haneef will not only go down in Australian history for being detained (not “arrested”) for the longest period without being charged, but for having “supported” terrorist activity by giving his SIM card to his cousin and friend before leaving the UK last year.
Or is it simply that the Australian Police now wants to keep Haneef in custody until the police in the UK or India could come up with leads that they could charge him with later?
Fifteen years for possibly innocently giving away a SIM card?
Countless people part with their SIM cards while leaving a country and give them to their friends in good faith. But the Australian police is now telling the world: don’t give away anything—SIM cards, CDs, emails, and most importantly, perhaps good faith.
If the cirmcumstances and the facts which Haneef left his SIM card back in UK are true – as it is reflected in the article- then I really feel sorry for him.
Wrong time Wrong Place!!!
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This is the price one has to pay for hailing from a country which has been dominated in the past by imperialism. The ‘civilised’ countries know that we do not have the spine to lodge a strong and a proper protest. Imagine detaining a person just for having given his sim card in all innocence. I have done it so many times, received one so many times.
Which means, in future, one has to be so careful as to be sure that the person, (could be your own brother, father, uncle) is not going to commit a wrong even in the goddamn future.
Imagine what would have happened if it was a ‘white’ Australian detained by the Indian authorities for something similar. The whole ‘white’ world would have stood up for him. Its time we too stood up to the hypocrites. Presuming one guilty just for association is not the law of the civilised. It is the law of the jungle. Just see the macabre behaviour of the ‘civilised’ in Afghanistan, Iraq. The killings of civilians goes on. Of course, it is ‘collateral damage.’ Imagine India, Indonesia, Pakistan etc together attacking an European country, vandalising it and killing their people in the name of security. Imagine a nation attacking USA and killing their people day in and day out all in the name of security. The whole world would have been turned upside down. But we have come to accept all this. And more. Let Haneef’s illegal detention be the rallying point for rejecting such notions of the white man’s superiority. Come on, he is our country man after all. And where are the BJP and the others now? Why, just because Haneef is a Muslim have they kept quiet? Not surprising at all.
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It is such a shame on India.
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For once, I fully agree with Vinutha! Charging someone based on the SIM card transaction that took place last year? There is something wrong with this picture. Is it the best they could establish? John Howard is a typical conservative with his ‘hardline approach’ tough talk!! We can’t expect anything better. It’s even worse when you think about Guantanamo Bay detainees over here in US!
This is how these countries lost credibility over the years.
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Let the case take its own course, aussie courts are reliable and much faster. Why are you getting worked out? have you given your SIM card to anyone?
Still cant understand why he was flying back to India with one way ticket after paying rent for that week.
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I also feel that there is certain degree of racism behind this arrogance! Imagine an Australian ( read ‘white’ here) getting the same treatment in India!! The entire western world would have jumped on us with their talking points on ‘civil liberty’ and fair trials.
These countries don’t even like when their citizens are caught by third world countries for drug peddling – let alone the terrorism charges!
As usual, our spineless Indian government is doing nothing!! So, more blame should go to our impotent leaders!
Ohh – This is depressing!!!
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The australian national govt has been reduced to the level of our local village panchayat. They are trying to score a few bownie points in the election year. And regarding the other two terrorosits Britain govt hang them in public dont deport them to India. My nation India does not have the spine to hang a guy who has been involved in terrorism against its own country. ( AFZAL GURU). what a sad state both the Indian and Aus govt are in :(
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Dear All,
What is this rant by V Malliah? The police did their damn best and found the evidence. What is available in public domain was enough for them to keep Dr. Hanif. We should just let them get on with it. There are some disturbing questions about the email Hanif sent before he made his way to the airport–his behavior is not entirely that of an innocent man. At least he should have come forward and damned his relatives about the bomb plot…
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The SIM card is a symbolism, behind it is the more serious question of helping a terorism with a means to achieve his goals. The rambling of ‘Khan’ here is very typical of how the followers of Islam and their friends become apologists . For my money, helping a terrorist to acheve his gaols is as good as committing the act itself. This fellow had many loose ends untied when he tried to catch a plane with one way ticket to home. His email communication and his association with fellow muslim doctors from Bangalore one of whom is charged today in Britain all add together fo anyone to see a ‘cooperative terrorism effort’. This fellow should be extradited to Britain to face the music along with his more active comrades. Vinutha would not be so broadminded and understanding if Vinutha’s kids were to be caught up by sheer accident in a side street with the work of these islamic terrorists.
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When you go out of your country behave with responsibility and caution. Nobody would come to your rescue. Blaming somebody for our follies will not do any good. Being educated one should be more responsible. Don’t forget that you can act as cultural ambassadors of your country.
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ms ursu, neither could the cops understand this one-way ticket mystery. and of all the places escaping to india where he is recognised? where he could very well be traced? and from where he could be extradited? i hear they are making it a crime for muslims to travel with a one way ticket from now on.
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Ahhhh…..some good writing from Vinutha….at last!!!
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Blame amnesty international!
why they had to poke their nose into this episode?
it is a well known fact that they have been supporting criminals in the past, in the name of human rights…(more relevant point- amnesty chief is a muslim too!)
so if amnesty supports a guy…he is a criminal…that must have been the logic of auzzies!
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The commentetor (V Mallya) donot present all facts.
Haneef not only gave SIM card to Sabeel, Haneef also shared much time in last 2 years with Sabeel in UK. Haneef is a prime witness in the indoctrination of Sabeel, specially his activities in UK. Being relative, he is also aware of Sabeel’s activities, indoctrination in last few years in India as well.
Also, prior to leaving Australia Haneef sent an email to a friend/group, where he didn’t mention that he was going to India to see his wife and children.
Western countries, even though demonized in a section of Indian political ideologies, are free and fair to a large degree. Just because Haneef is a Muslim, we are presuming (because of distorted version of polemic in a section of Indian Press), that he is not involved! Appears so from the column of V Mallya.
Sekhar Gupta, Chief editor of Indian Express precisely wrote about this scenario when he wrote “Or let me put it even more simply: just because you cannot simply presume a person to be a terrorist because he belongs to a particular community, you cannot presume a suspect to be innocent just because he happens to come from ‘a’ particular community.”
Wake up folks. Jihad is at our doorsteps , if not already in India.
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Bhaskar Chattrjee – do you work for fox or cnn?
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Lets also remember Sabeel who is fighting for life at the Hospital in UK is not charged yet by UK Police. Neither he is arrested.
There is a 30 day clock in UK. Once a person is charged under terrorism, within 30 days police will have to be move to court. So, the 30 day clock has not started ticking yet.
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Anonymous : ha ha..No sir, I am an Indian, Bong as you can see. I have a particularly soft corner for Banglaore as its where I started my career decades back. I also have a soft corner for Karnataka, as its the place of glorious Vijaynagara Empire!
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mr chatterjee, your facts about sabeel and haneef sharing a house in liverpool is correct. but it is not sabeel fighting for his life as you seem to think, it is his brother kafeel. little homework would be good. confusing one brother for the other damages the case you are making.
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V Mallya . what is your basis for your writings ? Are you part of the defense team ? Have the aussie cops shared their interrogation with you ?
Once I asked former DCP Mr Carvalho why Police use third rate methods for simple inquiry and asked him why doesnt each and every station have a PR department . he took me to his station and showed me such crooks
who dressed so well and spoke such good language ( ofcourse english )
that it was hard to identify a real crook from an innocent .
Remember V.Mallya Police are much wiser than the crooks and have seen so many in their life time .
Ofcourse there are errors in judgements but they are successful on majority of cases . In these days when there are soft spoken educated and High tech thugs ..It is impossible for ordinary cops to separate the rotten ones from the good ones . Lets allow them to do their business .
Just because somebody is a doctor and educated doesnt mean he never knew anything . After all religion is greater than humanity .If the glasgow was successful imagine how many innocents would have been killed for no fault of theirs . who is to be blamed ?
You dont blame the family ..you dont blame the soceity ..you dont blame the religion ..so who do you blame in case of Kafeel ??
Can you find out answers why an educated Kafeel became a part of the plot ? Can you write something on that ?
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Rustyvagabond : apologies for mixing up the names. Its not intentional, neither it hurts what I am saying. There are plothera of info, thanks to internet these days and specially new.google.com!
When their parents were member of Jamat-E-Islami, a follower of Moududi, one of the tallest Islamic facist leaders of 20th century (another being Said Qutb from Egypt, also of Indian origin as his parents migrated from present day Uttar Pradesh during early 19th century), the world knows Jihad whether preached at Egypt, Pakistan or Bangalore has a common Indian Link.
Those who are at denial can only disagree. Isn’t it?
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dear Khan,
I hope you know how Pakistan was created. Muslims, both elite and Mullahs, both worked hand in hand with Brits, never faught against british imperialism (Khilafat was a religious issue). Jinnah never went to Jail, even for one day except for his rowdiness when he was a student at britain. So, Pakistan was created to placate Muslims of South Asia, to create a serf-state in NW India (a starategically important place even today) to further Western Interest.
Anyway, crux of the argument is, Muslims relationship with West is at best oppurtunist. God forbid, if India were to become a economicall/politically poorer nation, West will support Muslim cause at Kashmir. As happened in case of Pakistan.
Now, you may not be one of those types of Muslims. You may very well be like President Kalam or (say) Kazi Nazrul Islam. But we have been bitten once, naturally we are twice shy.
Why doesn’t Muslim world oppose continued terrorism against India? Even when I last checked the Organization of Islamic countries (OIC) resolutions, they were supporting Islamic terrorism in Kashmir. Isn’t it?
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mr chatterjee, it is precisely because we depend on news.google.com these days that rumours become news! which is why we should learn to sift information, read between the lines, get our facts right.
jamat-e-islami is still a legitimate organisation in india, as legitimate as vhp or rss and its various derivatives. it is a person’s democratic right to be part of a legitimate organisation. the form of jihad that is getting popular around the world now has a common link, yes. disagreement is not by being in denial, but for the blanket generalisations that are made.
fyi, western countries have become less free and fair and more paranoid after 9/11 because they do not know what has hit them.
shekar gupta’s logic is a skewed one: “you cannot presume a suspect to be innocent just because he happens to come from ‘a’ particular community.” that is utter rubbish. the grounds on which haneef was a ‘suspect’ itself is a weak one. undoubtedly, he needed to be questioned, but he was presumed guilty of ‘terrorism’ from the start. there is a big difference between being questioned and being a suspect. similarly, there is also a difference between being a terrorist and being a person who knows someone who might have turned to terrorism later.
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I think there will be bigger fall out on India because of weak leadership of UPA, WHEN MANMOHAN SINGH BEHAVES AS PRIME MINISTER OF PAKISTAN:)-
MMS already lectured British PM. When Australian Police came, GOI was not very willing to cooperate and asked for Court’s papers which could have been easily avoided considering the gravity of the situation.
Its very evident from the handling of terror by UPA that they are unable to face it because they believe they will loose Muslim Vote. It has two repurcations:
1. Hindus are getting angry, radicalised.
2. Indian Muslims overwhelmingly are not associated with terror and are as good/bad as rest of us. Naturally, they are stigmatized for the Muslim terrorists, lumpens activity as well votebank consideration of UPA.
Now this recent international terrorism and indians involvement has added a third dimention:
3. West will treat India as someone who is not serious with Islamic terror and it will directly affect millions of Indians working abroad.
4. There will be a possibility that Pakistan will take advantage of this and will try to blame India as breeding growund of terror because of affairs inside its borders.
This may add punch to psuedos to India and brow beat BJP/RSS. But we all know how pathetically incorrect this is. When Hindu groups will be further attacked by Jihadis, there will be bigger backlash. And a blood-bath in India.
Bottom line is: Psuedos, UPA cannot win this battle against Jiahdis, Islamists by communalizing this terror, and votebank politics. Jihad is spreading fast, as well as Hindu resentment.
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Rustyvagabond : A majority (and growing in number) of Muslims believe 911 was done by Jews-Neo-Con Americans.
You have every right to believe in what you/Muslims think. However, don’t complain should a day come when others start behaving similarly. It has not reached that point yet.
As far as Jamat-E-Islami goes, its one of the two fountain head of Islamic Facism, Jihadi terrorism in the world today.
We all know who Moududi was and what was his contribution to Jihad and its globalization. Another guy was Said Kutb, founder of Muslim brotherhood.
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A time has come for Govt of India to take strong action against Jamat-E-Islami, Deobond, Islamic groups like Tablighi Jamat. Tablighi Jamat is particularly nasty and is indicted in many terror acts in the West. In India also, they are defnitely under scanner.
Unless this is done fast, we will see what Nehru wrote in “Discovery of India”.
Nehru tried to rationalize why South Indians are more decent, sobre unlike their north-Indian brothers who are rubble rouser. Nehru’s rationale was revealing. He wrote in “discovery of India”,
South Indians are more gentlemanly, decent, sobre when compared with North Indians because South India underwent less oppressive Islamic rule.
When one groups sees aggressive Islamism, rubble rousing, Jihad by another groups, the first group undergoes a profound change and start behaving like it.
Ram Guha has termed this Hindu aggressiveness as “Islamization of Hindus”. And I think he is correct on this.
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WHAT GEMS BY MS. V MALLYA
Would he not have covered his tracks? – MADAM, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT MURDER – EVERY CRIMINAL LEAVES TRACKS. DO YOU KNOW THE INTENTION WHY HANEEF GAVE HIS SIMCARD AWAY.
Countless people part with their SIM cards while leaving a country and give them to their friends in good faith. – CONTRACTS BANNING GIVING AWAY SIM CARDS IS ONLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT TERRORIST AND ANTI SOCIAL ELEMENTS CAN USE SIMCARDS FOR NEFARIOUS REASONS. IF YOU ARE EDUCATED AND LIVING ABROAD, YOU MUST HAVE ENOUGH SENSE NOT TO GIVE AWAY YOUR CARDS – EVEN IN GOOD FAITH. TODAYS TERRORISM HAS REACHED SUCH A GOOD STATE THAT AUSSIE POLICE SEEM TO HAVE ENOUGH CAUSE TO CHARGESHEET HANEEF BASED ON THIS.
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Rustyvagabond
Prefixes (ms) and suffixes (urs(u)) are not needed, request you to address by just first name.
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aruna, by force of habit i dont take liberties with people i have not met, by addressing them with their first name. the u in ursu, was a mistake. apologies.
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I’m touched by the author’s love for terrorism suspects. Terrorism victims somehow don’t seem to be getting this lucky treatment: I guess the latter’s fault is that they get killed instead of killing someone. How dare they.
The author begins her rant by grasping the wrong end of the stick:
“The Australian Police seems to have crumbled under the pressure of having to press a charge, and finally decided to pin a flimsy one just to ensure they showed a “hardline approach” towards terrorism”
but she does see some light towards the end, even if couched as a question:
“Or is it simply that the Australian Police now wants to keep Haneef in custody until the police in the UK or India could come up with leads that they could charge him with later?”
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The fallout from the case of terrorist doctors from Bangalore will be very serious. First, every Indian whether he is citizen of India or otherwise ( many Indians have become citizens of Western countries) will be looked upon as a potential terrorist, whether travelling in a plan, bus, car or even walking in the streets of Western Metropolis. Hither to, Pakistani muslims had that honour. Second, an Indian professional , Hindu, Muslim or whatever religion, irrespective of residential status in USA, Europe and Australia, would have his background checked scrupulously when he changes his job, or promoted in the same organisation. Even second and third generation citizens in these countries of Indian extraction woud not escape this scrutiny thanks to the activities of these Islamic terrorist doctors. FBI , Scotland Yard and Australian intelliegence would keep a close eye on all Indian professionals and non professionalsresiding in their countries. Many American and European Indians, particularly Kannadigas work in sensitive areas in military and defence industries having gone through positive vetting and security clearance in respective countries. Now, there will be reviewing of the security status of these, and think of the situation of a Kannadiga working in NATO for example applying for 2 weeks annual leave to go and see his parents in Bangalore? It is possible that engineers of Indian extraction could be barred from working in sensitive areas of industry and even denied access to new technology in industries.
Wake up India and Karnataka, and realise that Indian mujslims have extra territorial loyalties and for them their religion comes first. Ortherwise, people of Indian extraction will be holistically ostracised as potential terrorists.
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People like arundathi roy, and ofcourse vinutha cried hoarse when the Parliament attack abbettor was sentenced. Then one day, the abettor’s dear brother made a statement that he was in the know of things, all those barking, including Farooq Abdullah had to shut up. These idiots talked as if those killed saving the Parliament were absolute scums and no one cared for them. Before the Muslims can say anything, these psuedo characters make a statement. Thankfully, there are many more Muslims like APJ and Zulfi (where are you?) who can take a sensible view. A view, where the Nation takes precedence over religion, a view where mainstream is more important than rotting madrasas, et al.
If Haneef is involved let the law take its own course.
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Mr bong chatrjee, i was asking if you were some kind of indian neocon. hence the fox/cnn rhetorical question. not to get your bio-data.
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Yes Mr. Anonymous , we stupids sometimes forget that Islamists, terrorists have infiltrated Indian e-space and take questions at their face value:)-
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Bhaskar avare,
Indian e-spaceaa? Adhenu? Allu boundariesaa? Idhu churumuri ri, illi nimmantha bengali byothpadhkarige yenu kelasa?
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Since there is no verbose reply,
Indian e-space? Whats that? You been drawing boundaries there too? This is churumuri my man, what work does a Bengali terrorist like you have here?
Ok now get mad at me Bong style :)
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Ranga,
Sure we will run the pogroms for you in your absence and root out all your religious enemies from the state. And we will also take care of your non-vegetarian caste enemies too.
So that you are not ostracized for being too Indian-looking in Europe (ha – as if you werent already). And so that you can attend jury duty in your free time and your relative can hold onto that NATO job. And your legal and illegal immigrant desi friends can stop shivering in their boots thinking the FBI/Scotland yard etc. is keeping a close eye on them.
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And how about the north indians in Bangalore? Especially the Biharis and the BENGALIS(!). What number should we assign to them on the way to the gas chambers?
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Where is V Malliah? What is her reaction now? OK is it wrong to communicate with someone over Yahoo Messenger or Google Talk? Just because someone at the Glasgow end wanted to warm himself with a sudden huge fire?? Or was Dr. Haneef telling the other guy to try out some pyrotechnics he had perfected in the Oz?!! :) Come on fundu guys and gals don’t be judgemental. Be secular mental that;s OK!
Hey come on! Rustyvague would say “for a secularist a fire is a fire regardless–you could have a kid in Basavanagudi lighting up Deepavali crackers; or you could have Dr. K in Glasgow seeking respite from the cold trying out spontaneous combustion.” Now you guys and dolls tell me how can we deal with Rustyvague? Yeah!
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Hey Anonymous Guy
Stop your rubbish man!
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Why DB,
You also desi lost in some other country? I bet you dont live in Mysore, Bangalore or India.
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And are a vegetarian brahmin RSS guy.
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Anonymous guy,
Have a name man, stop your drivel and clean your mouth. You have nothing to contribute. Perhaps you would like go to OZ and say hello to Haneef your friend?
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Ranga,
And what you ‘contribute’ matters? It does not! Your drivel (which you may think is having a major effect on the world) is as meaningless anyone else’s. You are just a nasty hate spewing person no better than any jihadi. Actually you may have many things in common with Haneef. Pull up your khaki cheddi, go out and get a life.
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Anony,
Was it necessary for u to indulge in Bong /Brahmin/veggie calumny when u have shown that u can come up with cogent counterlogic even without resorting to it.
>>Indian e-space? Whats that? You been drawing boundaries there too?
This is a gem!
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Why was that Firangi in Puruliya Arms Drop case released? Diplomacy?
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Ranga, are YOU real? Can you give ID proof attested by your village officer. Grow up man (mentally). It’s a blog and Anonymous Guy has an identity over a period of time. You need not look into his Kundali to marry off your daughter to him, if you have one! Crazy!!
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Koppal Haida,
I have nothing against Bengalis, Brahmins or veggies. Have a friend who is all three too.
I was just baiting some people who can be hateful and superior towards anyone who is not like them (which by itself is probably ok), but they get all pissed when you show them the other side of the game. I read on some russian blog – ‘the indians discriminate among each other based on their skin colour and caste, but to us they are all n*****s’.
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Anonymous Guy,
You are such a sad head case! Grow up!! You are showing ‘us’ the other side of the game? You are a crypto-moron and a bad comic:)
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Anonymous Guy
Whatever you have for others, please keep it tight within your soiled undergarments. Since you have chosen not to be seen on the Blog (hence the Anonymous Guy), do yourself a favor and do a nice follow up action–stop spewing waste. If you want to reduce everybody to what you perceive as certain social and religious symbols–you know what, same to you with pleasure and a bit more. Are you pleased now?:)
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Friends of mine, Kannadigas mentioned about this blog and the discussion raging over Dr Haneef. I am a doctor, a specialist in cardiology. A few of my colleagues in Britain know about Haneef and Ahmeds who go by the title of ‘Cambridge Mob’, becuase it is the City of Learning, the University where Newton worked, Ramanujan became world famous, Amrtiya Sen did his work to get noble prize, the double helix of DNA was discovered by Crick and Watson, the infamous’Cambridge Mob’ plotted to kill hundreds the innocent citizens walking on side walks in London or taking planes for a family holidayin Europe and America. That is what bothers Scotland Yard and Australian police, the long years of plotting by the ‘Cambridge Mob’. Dr Haneef may be in Brisbane (the police think that he did it just to escape the fall out from a well-hatched but badly executed plan).
We are doctors, and our primary duty is care and not to kill. Please do not
exonerrate Haneef and his friends so soon. I have recruited a few from Dr Ambedkar Medical College , and most of them were muslims. I often wondered why they were worked up so much about their religion ( this was before Iraq and Afghan war) and equally not about their profession as carers.
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Reply to Dr Vikram:
It is all over now. The problem with Aussie police is “thinking” and “imagining” rather than finding things useful for justice to try somebody. One can read the recent blogs in here or at sydney morning herald website smh.com to find some ineresting news, instead of groping in the dark and guestimating.
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