First Cauvery, now Hogenakal: Karnataka’s river of distrust with Tamil Nadu runs deep. After sparring over how to share water from the Cauvery, the two States have now locked horns over the Hogenakal Integrated Water Scheme.
Tamil Nadu’s plans to implement a Rs 1,334-crore Japanese-funded project to provide drinking water is opposed by Karnataka which says Hogenakal Falls is a “disputed border area” and no project can be taken up till the dispute is settled. The BJP’s Ananth Kumar raised the issue in Parliament in early March, calling it illegal; chief minister aspirant B.S. Yediyurappa took a coracle ride to oppose the project.
Meanwhile, the Karnataka Rakshana Vedike has set a April 9 deadline for TN to drop the project, and has threatened to stop the airing of Tamil films and TV channels if the project goes ahead.
But Tamil Nadu’s local administration minister M.K. Stalin says the project would not harm Karnataka in any way as only Cauvery water that runs through TN territory would be utilised for the project. Its assembly last week passed a resolution urging the Centre to support the project and to stop Karnataka from opposing it. And chief minister M. Karunanidhi yesterday breathed fire: “This is just a spark, diffuse it at the very beginning so that it doesn’t turn into an inferno… Break not just our buses, but our bones.”
Just what is it about land, water and language that evokes such strong reactions in both States?
In his just-published book ‘Keeping Faith with the Mother Tongue‘ (Navakarnataka Publications), journalist, writer and translator Sugata Srinivasaraju looks at “The Tripod” of land, water and language that defines identity.
By SUGATA SRINIVASARAJU
There is a quiet consensus that land and water are emotive issues. But why they become emotive often gets explained in livelihood, economic, environmental or political terms. These explanations undoubtedly reflect the most fundamental concerns of man, but they tend to overlook the fact that there is also a broad cultural element at play. This cultural element relates to the identity-imagination of the people. Who you are and where you come from are often described in physical terms of land and water.
Take for instance the drawing of the contours of the Kannada land in the earliest extant Kannada text, Kavirajamarga. It simply says that the land that lies between the Cauvery and the Godavari is the Kannada heartland (Cauveryindma Godavarivaramirpa nade Kannada tirul).
To this idea of land and water inexorably gets woven the aspect of language.
Identity is conceived on this tripod of land, water and language and therefore losing them in whatever measure is tantamount to losing identity. People may not make straight and stated connections between this tripod and their identity, but that is the cultural wisdom that governs them.
Therefore, when there is talk of sharing Cauvery water or conceding a few taluks to Maharashtra on the Belgaum border or when a mass icon like Raj Kumar who personifies standard Kannada speech dies, there is violence. The violence does not happen because there are some politically-motivated miscreants to do so, but because such violence is guaranteed amnesty under a well-perfected cultural logic linked to identity.
The violence is seen as an assertion of identity and not as a hooligan act. What in the jargon of law would qualify as crime, in this context turns out to be a ‘heroic’ act for a seemingly greater ’cause’.
Go back a little in history and see how India was reorganised post-Independence. The reorganisation of States was on cultural terms—on the basis of dominant language zones. They were not partitioned as economic zones, linking production areas with nearby markets. There is an argument that such an economic division was eminently possible and would have altered the destiny of India.
So, the very idea on which this nation is built supports an emotive identity struggle that revolves around land, water and language.
Therefore, invariably, river water tribunals can never give acceptable verdicts or border committees can never come to a conclusion. With the linguistic reorganisation of the States, there is also a rigidity that has been built into the conception.
The conception happens around the idea of dominance—which language dominates which area?
The most natural predisposition of the Indian people to be bilingual or trilingual is not taken into account in this conception and hence tension is inevitable and to an extent insurmountable. In this light, the demand for a seperate Kodava land or a Tulu Nadu, within a flat, homogeneous idea of Karnataka and Kannada is therefore perfectly understandable.
Land, could be an identity-marker, but at a baser-level it spawns a feudal idea. One often wonders if arrogance has its roots in the security of owning land. We are familiar with the argument that owning knowledge leads to oppression, to democratise that we innovated on the idea of reservations and created access to knowledge. Similarly, owning land too leads to arrogance and oppression, but that is something that we do not want to readily acknowledge.
Redistribution of land or land reforms has never been a continual programme for any government. Land has always formed a complicated relationship with power. At least, in the case of Karnataka the land reforms that was carried out in the 1970s was slowly, but significantly undone in the ’90s and not surprisingly by former prime minister H.D. Deve Gowda, a man representing a dominant community of landlords and claiming to uplift a constituency of farmers.
It is not surprising therefore that between April 2004 and October 2007, when his party JD(S) was in a power arrangement nothing but land was discussed and deliberated, leading one to think if the government had become a quasi-real estate agency. First, it was about the extra land that was given to the international airport; then it was the ‘land-grabbing’ by Infosys; the controversy over the Arkavathy housing layout; then of course the excess land acquired for Nandi’s Bangalore-Mysore Infrastructure Corridor project; the contentious mining of the Bellary lands for manganese and iron ore; formation of SEZs; Bidadi and Ramanagaram townships; newer ring roads around Bangalore; acquistion and alignments for Metro rail and finally a joint legislature committee to look into encroachments of land in and around Bangalore.
In this context it is interesting to observe that a fledgling political party that writer Devanur Mahadeva and others have floated, Sarvodaya Karnataka, whose manifesto aspires to bring the landed and landless on a single platform, has not taken off significantly. At best it remains a captivating idea, but founded on a naive, utopian ideal.
In the same breath, it is also interesting to note that in the recent debate about the introduction of English in primary schools, the ones who were militantly defending the interests of Kannada were from the forward and traditionally land-owning classes. But the ones subscribing to a ‘pragmatic’ English curriculum, were backwards and the landless masses.
All this should establish that land in our mind is inextricably linked with a host of other powerful cultural ideas like water and language. It is intertwined with our nationalism and ultimately our identity and hence can never be perceived in isolation or independently.
This should explain why so much of resistance and violence surrounds the idea of land today. The conflict that we see either in Nandigram or Nandagudi, the proposed sites of SEZs, is largely because people are being asked to alter their idea of land.
From a cultural conception that constructed our identity and shaped our national and sub-national debates, they are being forced to view it as real estate. Land was always inheritance, even in the severest of crisis it was pawned, not sold, but today it is placed in a terrain of borderless economics. It is an easily transactable commodity without any emotional baggage. This is culturally shocking and would take a long time before people accept it. It will take at least as long as it took us to create the idea of borders and nations.
In the last decade or so, the imagination of our governments have taken a right about turn. From flogging the idea of ‘India lives in its villages,’ to the idea of expanding the cities so that they seamlessly integrate villages, everything has been turned on its head. Villages as autonomous cultural nuggets are facing extinction in government policy.
A good question to ask would be whatever happens to the idea of rootedness?
We always had this fond thought that our wisdom was all stored in the villages and when we faced a crisis in the cities we could go back to the villages to recover them. But what happens when such a civilisational treasure is now on the brink of being lost?
The result is violence, in all its physical and metaphorical manifestations. The governments now think that if you improve one City, then a hundred villages around it will automatically prosper. A result of such thinking is the thousands of crores of rupees being allocated to the Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission (JNNURM).
Sometime ago, N.R. Narayana Murthy of Infosys demanded green cultivable land to build his campuses. At one point technologists like him even advocated the idea that Bangalore should be converted into a Union territory, which means delinking it completely from all local politics.
It appears for both the corporates and the political class, all emotional linkages to either land or language are roadblocks to economic prosperity. They see it as an important and legitimate function of democratically elected governments to acquire and redistribute land to big corporations. These ideas have caused anxiety among people. One hopes that the anxiety about the imminent loss of language and land finds a mature expression.
[Excerpted from Keeping Faith with the Mother Tongue—The Anxieties of a Local Culture, Navakarnataka Publications, pp 288, price Rs 200]
Photograph: courtesy K. Ashwin
Also read: Cauvery, Cauvery antha badkothare…
I do know how far this budda (karunanidhi) will continue using cauvery for politics. Somehow he wants to keep this issue alive. Eventhough he may die in another 5-10 yrs, he is training his sons, followers to fight cauvery.
What will happen if some water is used for DRINKING purpose and not for IRRIGATION from what is flowing on the TN side? Will it in any way submerge areas in Karnataka? Let us be very realistic about answering these questions or is it only political!!
I have booked my bus ticket to Selam and back, by a private bus on 4th April to attend a wedding of a Sanketi family there! Will it be safe to travel and should I have to carry my own bottle of water??!!
Why all this unnecessary confusion–they used to say that ” if you refuse to give drinking water when one asks for it, you, will get HALLI Janma” !!
My comment will be after Dr.Ramesh’s…
this is clearly a provocative act by tamilnadu, there was absolutely no need for a C M of a state to issue statements on a neighbouring state like what karunanidhi has done. ramadoss wants chamarajnagar and kolar, T N should be given a fitting reply.
people of karnataka should back kannada organisations in the protest against injustice by tamilnadu.
What evidence do we have that Kannadigas, the majority of them, that is, are concerned about their nela, jala, or thale?
The border disputes we face are not new. We have to battle Maharashtra, Goa, TN, even Kerala everyday about our share of river waters. The other states pretty much get what they want. The Supreme Court, instead of evaluating our complaints, calls us a “jagalagantaru” state.
Conclusion: Those who have presided over the destiny of the state had no vision. I include all parties in the mess.
What shall we do now?
Maybe it is not a bad deal after all to trade culture and stuff for two meals a day, if they are guaranteed.
Bengaluru will become a union territory, except that it will be split in half before that happens. We Kannadigas will get to keep the poorest chunks of the city.
Even our own Sugatha calls our town “Bangalore.” An altered brand name does not sell well.
The Whole issue is being politicised by Kannada organizations. It is left to TN what to do with the water which flows into TN. Only Karnataka is considering the area as disputed. It is like China’s stake on Arunachal Pradesh. Let ’em hold a debate and decide. Congress has already accused BJP for making it out of proportion. JDS is silent.
Maybe some buses and bones will be broken, but it will show against the intolerance of KRV.
PTL: Bangalore as a union territory: will never happen. The issue but will keep burning. KRV is like a Langoor being reared by Polititians to get rid of disturbing monkeys. They need KRV to keep issues alive without directly getting into it. At the end of the day KRV or non-KRV goes and votes for either JDS, Congress or BJP or BSP who have never supported any of the issues raised by KRV.
The issue is not just politicised. We are dealing with a nightmare called Indian history.
1. The project is on downstream Cauvery river
2. Karnataka has enough dams upstream well into the state borders. We can stop the water if we want (Cauvery tribunal award confusion notwithstanding).
Now what the hell is the problem here? Yes it is disputed territory (as with other stuff with Maharashtra etc). Is the sky falling down?
In act 1, scene 1 of the play Schlageter, the Nazi poet-laureate Hanns Johst wrote, “Whenever I hear of culture… I release the safety-catch of my Browning!” This piece with catchphrases like “culture” and “identity” dripping all over evokes a similar reaction in me.
Hadn’t read such gobbledygook in hodge-podge English with absolutely no continuity in a long time. On current evidence, it looks as if the “journalist, writer, translator” just put in a few choice words in a blender and churned out some prose to fit some preconceived notions.
Virtually each sentence and paragraph is contestable. “River water tribunals can never give acceptable verdicts or border committees can never come to a conclusion.” “The most natural predisposition of the Indian people to be bilingual or trilingual…” “The ones who were militantly defending the interests of Kannada were from the forward and traditionally land-owning classes…” Who is saying all this?
But it is the beating around the bush that is palpable. “Violence does not happen because there are some politically-motivated miscreants to do so, but because such violence is guaranteed amnesty under a well-perfected cultural logic linked to identity. The violence is seen as an assertion of identity and not as a hooligan act. ”
Bullshit on toast. Shorn of the jargon, it simply means the netas are willing to look the other way while the goondas run riot while we couch our response.
“So, the very idea on which this nation is built supports an emotive identity struggle that revolves around land, water and language.” This is just word play. If the idea of India supports emotive identity, why are so few states at war, and why is Karnataka alone at war with all its neighbours all the time?
Throwing in buzzwords like SEZ and JNNURM, Infosys and Deve Gowda looks like a bid to give some very old textbook ideas a contemporary feel. But the author is intellectually ill-equipped to call a spade a spade and hides behind the oldest cliches of culture studies.
Give me Chief Seattle’s speech on land, water and air any day. At least you get some rousing prose.
We are doing a great job of taking up causes fair or unfair to stop development projects in the neighborhood but we hardly standup to ask for any development projects for our good with our nela & jala.
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I say >120
This is like Nari and Makae story we read in school.!! If we want Karnataka do do well, we should allow our neighbours to do well and be friendly with them.
Mr Rama says ‘my comment will be after Dr.Ramesh’s ‘ now it is evident as to what Dr.Ramesh wants, let us prepare to burn all buses, stop vehicles with TN number plate entering Bangalore, download Jalli at all roads for the use of the Protectors of Karnataka, stop Tamilians from working in Karnataka, close all shops run by them, all construction work to be stopped in Bangalore, close all petty auto- mobile mechanic shops, stop scavenging in Bangalore and allow it to stink more, stop all domestic helpers (self help- best help), stop water flowing to TN even when KRS is full, flood Mysore & Mandya, and many more!
Where are we heading? We are becoming insane.
This Hogenakal project is a gift from Dirty Devegowda to TN. It was this moron who brought down the government in Karnataka with this antics as a result we have Governor’s rule today!!
KRV is doing a great job and as usual Kongas are up to no good. They damn well know that Hogenakal is a part of Karnataka!
This is an unnecessary controversy raised by the karnataka politicians. They have no business to question what TN should do with cauvery water that flows in TN
First understand that Hogenakal is disputed territory and subjudice. Also if we allow them to construct this scheme, how can one provide the water in drought. then they raise hue and cry to provide water.There is no enough water in cauvery to feed to agriculture and all other purposes.
if actions of tamil nadu govt can be accepted ,then chinese claim on aksai chan and arunachal pradesh must be considered legitimate .
what nonsense , politicians like karunanidhi ,ramadoss have consistently taken anti-kannada,anti-india stance and if they are not shown their rightful place , balkanisation of india is not far off.
today KA RA VE, RAITHA SANGHA, champa ,mukhya mantri chandru and other leaders are meeting to chalk out future strategy, hope good things comes out of the meeting.
>>”why is Karnataka alone at war with all its neighbours all the time?”– Do you really believe this?
River water sharing has been a problem elsewhere also. Punjab Vs Haryana , UP Vs Delhi , Maha Vs AP, Kerala Vs TN to name a few.
The wily fox at play again. All of us here are “not-so-mute-spectators” but having no role to play in the game.
Anyone who thinks of the Hogenakal issue as a Hogenakal issue only is living in a fool’s paradise. So, comments like “why should TN not use water in its territory the way it wants to, halli janma, refuse drinking water, etc” is either outright foolish or purely self-serving. Why not the same logic to kalas banduri project or desilting of tanks in cauvery Karnataka basin which TN so vehemently opposes. I wonder if any kannadiga in TN or any English media in TN ever comes up with such logic in TN. No. Why? Because they play to win and not to play fair – they don’t even think fair. Karnataka needs to be as Chaanakya-ish as possible. You have a dirty old, wily fox on the other side.
Hogenakal is only one play in the overall cauvery endgame. Now, if TN builds more dams downstream, it will naturally ask for more water from upstream. So, Karnataka has every right to question TN’s actions and intentions. It is as simple as that.
@Dharma – Hope you have a safe trip to Salem. Hope you don’t come back. Seriously.
As in the Nari, Maeke story, will TN ever wish or allow Karnataka to do good IF it is to its own deterrent? No, TN or its inhabitants or never as magnanimous.
@Rama – What if someone comes, occupies your house and says “only you consider it disputed, I don’t; hence it is not disputed”. Hope you realise the folly of your logic. The question is whether you want to
@PTL – Day by day, what once were eminent thoughts from you are turning more disappointing. Sad to note, wish you better. The only thing agreeable is that Karnataka’s politicians have failed its state. It is the job of the leaders to worry about thale, kai, kaalu, hrudaya, along with nela and jala because the vast majority of people will not be able to. Because they are not able to, one must not confuse that they do not. That is the job of the leader – to foresee, to plan, to prepare and to act.
Any one has a copy of the Cauvery river accord of 1914, which supposedly defines the ratio of water usage by two states?
matte ooha-poha — according to the contents of that document, much of Chamrajanagar’s cultivated land, which was forest land during that period, is not taken into account?
So, if Union govt./tribunal allows Karnataka a share based on that ancient data while TN builds new dams and extends storage capacity to grow infinite number of crops a year and to supply water to all parts of the “Elam.” is it not unfair?
Well said Yella Ok avare. Our people have blocked roads from and to TN, but why have they not stopped Trains passing through TN, and flights that fly over TN.
WE WILL BE ISOLATED! Why all this , let us live in peace. Kannada Janagalannu Devare kapadabeku (if there had been a popular government here!). Please do not make Maharastra of Karnataka!
@Not A Witty Nick:
I think it is better to give TN its Elam and then let the kongas fight the Lankans forever and we will get some peace in return. Also we don’t want the kongas like Anbumani Ramdoss to boss over the nation and its institutions, as if it is their personal fiefdom.
Yella Ok. Very nice rejoinder. If there is a dispute over that area no state can make unilateral decisions. In addition to other points made, having additional projects helps the downstream state to use most of the surplus water due to increased rainfall. On the other hand the upstream state attracts legal attention and criticism if it does the same.
The various organizations and leaders must try to articulate these points rather than making shrill voices about injustice. If nothing else there will be greater awareness of the cause. That would be the first step to getting a better deal. We should not fall into the trap of attacking people or property that too in our own state or bring in other unrelated issues. Unfortunately due to violence and damage of property the main points get sidetracked.
Yella OK beat me to it. My thoughts as well.
Excellent explication of a complex issue, Yella OK.
Sorry about my hangdog note, but your idea that we need leaders to show us the way has my full support. Where do we find them? In Karnataka’s polity, is it possible at all to have an enlightened electorate like the one in Kerala? TN voters are driven by their sense of identity. That is a primitive kind of sense at best. Still it benefits them beyond words.
You have provided a picture of the national scope of the situation. Accordingly, the solution lies in all the states working together. That requires a competent, humanistic union legislative body. In the meantime, what do we do? That is my question.
I do not think my or any people, for that matter, are uneducable. But for so many centuries we have lived without a Kannada consciousness. It is not the kind of consciousness that gets advertised in our fiction, poetry, or drama. It is a consciousness that resides in our blood. It speaks wihout talking. One way perhaps to create it is to get all the geleyara balagaas, abhimaanigala sanghas stop talking about culture and start thinking about survival. Fortunately, I do not have to worry about my own survival. But that does not mean that I am not concerned about others’.
We are surrounded by states that have declared war on Karnataka on so many fronts. To disarm them we need knowledge driven statesmen and not the paltry kind of people who are not even fit to run a grama panchayathi.
Kannada jana must ask each party about its plan to make us viable. Our well fed but intellectually malnourished national party flunkeys look to Dilli. Yediurappa touches the feet Advani. Kharge, Krishna and others genuflect before a neophyte who is barely half their age. Surely you have seen those news items where Rahul Gandhi is referred to as “Rajakumara,” “Yuvaraja,” and even “Prabhu.” The scabrous local ones cannot look past those well-appointed houses in Padmanabhanagara.
Furthermore, the problem is aggravated by the fact that the rich and the powerful in our state (they got rich and powerful because we have been sleeping) have no stake in the well-being of our people. The Malyas and the Murthys are metanational and metalinguistic. They don’t need Kannadigas, but their servitude is welcome to them. Our university wits have not been able to make a dent in the wall of our unawareness. Jaathi politics rules the day. Hence it is a free-for-all situation exploited by KRV and such.
I wish what gets talked about at this forum could reach everybody in Karnataka. That would mean making everybody computer literate and proficient in English until Kannada replaces all the cannibalistic ones that are reigning in the state now.
Yesterday on Times now, I heard that karnataka government had given permission for this project to TN in 1998 itself. Is that true?
If this is true, what is the problem now.
Also whenever there is a dispute between two states, it is karnataka that always gets into violent mode. Why not raise this in appropriate forum (say courts). If somebody wants to protest, then do it in peaceful manner.
This is all yediyurappa’s stunts to gain political mileage during election time.
look at the case history of the patient called tamil chauvinism,
he has complains of demands for separate ealam , he was the first state in india to demand separation.
his actions have led to malaysians asking him to fall in line or push off,he was also put behind bars.
sinhalese are fed up with him for destroying their beautiful country.
he is suffering from acute jealousy syndrome, symptoms are he cannot hear any language other than tamil, he wants to abuse people speaking other languages.
TREATMENT REQUIRED–immediate counselling followed by mental rehabilitation . follow-up after 15 days.
dr ramesh , the symptons of the lunatic , fanatic , rowdy kannada elements are also visible.Tamil is confered a classical language status , the same is demanded by the language extremists irrespective of merit.tamil films / other language do well in karnataka , you say theatres in other states should compulsarily show the kannada films even if there are no patrons.everytime there is a comment from some one in tamil nadu on any topic under the sun , the kannadiga chauvinist offers his expert opinion on the same matter and takes to the streets displaying his crude upbringing.Kannadigas want everyone to learn kannada ?? they blokc tv channels from being telecast , they stop theatres which run tamil movies for no reason whatsoever.Is it not a fit case for these guys to be tested at the mental hospital which incidently is in karnataka.
We all poke fun at the doctor now and then. But we also keep in mind that he is a katta Kannadiga. Perhaps your response to him should have been a little more polite.
Now about Kannadigas always being in the wrong. I suggest that you write two or three sentences in support of each of your allegations. That way we will at least know what your argument is.
Sending all Kannada supporters to a mental hospital is not a bad idea. However, it can be done only after they have been treated fairly in matters of nela and jala. For some reason I think they have a right to be happy in their own land.
clinching evidence to prove brutal chauvinism ,anti-human nature of tamil chauvinism—- LTTE is the world’s most dangerous terrorist organisation. nothing more ,nothing less.
if you do not like the so called shenanigans of kannadigas. I sincerely request you to move lock stock and barrel from KARU NAADU. Poor you we cannot bear to see you missing your tamil channels and movies.
so I take it you are a scholar. Now where the heck did you discover that kannada did not merit classical status. Can you elaborate the nitty gritties that go in the qualification as per you. Your words reek of plain jealousy. Yeake nimappana gantu yenaadhru hoguttha!!!!!
For the information of those trying to portray me as a Tamilian , let me confirm that Iam a Kannadiga and know to read write and speak kannada .as far as Tamil is concerned i can only speak the language as most in bangalore do.
My point is simple .Why are Kannadigas ( not all , but those in the forefriont of all violence like the krv , , vatal , ambarish , film chamber ) always reacting instead of being pro active.And when do we learn to follow the rue of law.
Iam not sure of Tamil Nadu but i did see in the newspapers that the supreme court did come down heavily on the state govt on the cauvery issue and also the NICE project issue.
What is the fault of the tamilians born and brought up in karnataka ?? why are they deied the right to watch a movie or tv programme of their choice.Who is the KRV to decide on this matter.When laLOO appoints BIHARIS” you cry FOWL but when the GOONDAS of KRV and fellow goondas from other smaller fringe parties attack the theatres and tamilians you justify the same ?? The sight of these goondas taking the law into their own hands is revolting and disgusting.What is all the more bad is to see some SO CALLED educated Bloggers supporting theie views.
Namma naadinalli namma baduke haalaagthiruvaaga, India ge enaaguththe anthe chinthe maadalu namagelli samayaavide? Kannada, Karnataka come first. Then India. We will be happy cousins of TN Tamils when they do not dictate terms about how I should run my household.
Everybody wants a chunk of us. We must be something.
There was a nice guy who lived happily and minded his business, tending to the affairs of his house. Mr. nice guy always smiled, talked politely and acted courteously towards all his friends and neighbors. Slowly over time, incidents occured that tested the patience and virtue of mr. nice guy. Neighbors came to his house and asked mr.nice guy to allow them to mess up his house, dirty it up, impose their dirty habits, and deride the language he speaks at home. These neighbors even go so far as ganging up on the humble host and demand that mr.nice guy and his family start dancing to their tunes.
Without dragging the story any further, how many of you sympathize with mr.nice guy and feel he should defend himself?
This mr.nice guy is no other than KARNATAKA. Only a fool could remain a mr.nice guy and watch himself be ill treated in his own home. So to all the neighbors and haters who have taken the liberty to spew their unwelcome vile, retreat and don’t let the door hit you on your ass on your way out!
Unwritten “Rule of law” in Tamil nadu. “Learn Tamil else we will see to that you wont survive in our land” This is something we Kannadigas in KARU NAADU learnt very late. In our haste to be a very friendly community in welcoming one and all into our state, we being the morons that we are started to learn their language as well. This is our strength as well as our weakness (one among the many we posses)
Go to Halasooru, Prakashnagara, Ramchandrapura. You feel you are not in your home town; the atmosphere is surreal. It is like suddenly you got beamed to Tamil nadu, star trek style. Scarcely you will hear kannada here, show me something like that in tamil nadu you will never find pockets like that anywhere, even if you do the language would still be local. Why did this happen? because as I told you we were very assimilating. which of late has become too much of a bane. It is high time we became assertive.
Fortunately or unfortunately we did not have the likes of filmi folks like annadurai and the con-artist in the Karu Naadu political arena in the past ie during the formation of the states, who continuously raised the bogey of tamil culture, pride and language being under threat from hindi and all else non-tamil. The tamil masses as being their wont were always in awe of these masters of rhetoric and movies, took it to heart. In a way it has served them very well.
Our kannadiga ancestors have fought pitched battles on the plains and rocks of Kolahalapura (now Kolara) to uphold all that Karu naadu stood for, from the barbaric hordes of tamil nadu. And today a two bit rowdy like bhakthavatsalam is murmuring about seceding KGF to tamil nadu…like hell we would allow that to happen.
What is wrong with a tamilian born in Karunaadu? His temerity to think he is still in tamil nadu, unlike our kannadiga brothers and sisters in tamil nadu. Assimilate learn and respect our ways else move your butts out of town. We are none the wiser and richer.
Just as Winston Churchill said “We will fight the enemy on land, in air and even in the streets to save england” so be it for the kannadigas as well. We are ready to do battle on the streets to protect our interests…. BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
Don’t preach virtues of tolerance, loyalty and patience to us Kannadigas!!!Aren’t you ashamed of calling yourself a Kannadiga (still don’t trust u are) and being a filthy sycophant to the kongas while you live in Karnataka. Get a spine, pull up your pants and stop taking it from behind, you konga sympathizer. People like you need to be dumped in Tamil Nadu, then only will you realize the blessing of living in a place like Karnataka. Sheesh!! Enough is enough!
Wise Random Fool Says/Vitlan Potli :
I have seen the tolerance of the Kannadigas ( only the violent ones ) several times over the past 3 /4 years.
Loyalty of most of them involved is not to the STATE or LANGUAGE but to MONEY.Most of these illiterate hooligans who are at the helm of affairs extort money from businessmen by blackmailing them and forcing them into submission.If any of them refuses to pay up , the issue of OUTSIDER is brought up stating Locals are not employed.
Patience : what a joke.Most of these Politicians and self confessed gaurdians of morality and language have the least patience and want instant results or decisions.When matters are pending in the COURT , these hoodlums create a scene saying that the COurt decisions take a long time.When the other parties have waited so long and are accepting the rule of Law what stops these 3 rd rate goondas from obeying the law of the nation.
Pschopancy : need i learn from you ??? you praise the guys who take to the streets and who burn buses , theatres and offices and expect me to keep quiet.Shame on you guys for trying to create friction between 2 communities.
As far as film folk are concerned many great artists from karnataka / kerala and andrapradesh like Saroja Devi , SPB , Yesudas , Prakash Rai , unnikrishnan ,Jayaram ,Khushboo , Jyothika , Rajnikanth have all acted or sung / composed music for Tamil Movies .Some of these were rejected in Karnataka due to the manipulative policitics of Hereditory set up’s.Iam yet to see any artist settling down in Karnataka after being discarded by other states.
Lets not forget that Masti Venkatesh Iyengar , Ramanujam , Kailasam , Laxman , Narayan were all born TAMILIAN’s who have done well for this STATE.I am yet to come across any KANNADIGA doing the same elsewhere.
Well Sainik does have a couple of points -to people not blinded by the mob mentality of the KRV.
vitlan potli, solid guruuu
chennagide article . kannada virodhigalige punch kotta haagide.
we have gifted you your honorable amma sri jayalalitha.And your great superstar rajanikanth. your great? political think head periyar. more over karnatik music is a great thing passed on from vijayanagara traditions(remember father of karnataka sangeetha – purandaradasa and dasa sanskruthi) to you people.
Subbu , since many illliterate fanatical and rowdy kannadigas dont consider the place of birth as a means to determine the status JJ and RK cant qualify as Kannadigas.Rk is a Maharashtrian and JJ was and will be a tamilian.70% of the tamilians residing in Karnataka have all ben born and brought up here and yet they are not considered as KANNADIGA’s , so why take credit for some people who have no cultural similarlity with the kannadigas.Muthappa Rai , Praveen Shetty , Oil Kumar , Kotwal Ramachandra , Jairaj , Agni Sridhar are the ones who qualify for Son of the soil status.Am i right ??
FYI one of the MP’s to the Rajya Sabha from Karnataka is MAM Ramaswamy , Turf Baron who paid Deve Gowdru and Family crores or rupees to get elected.Another MP is a MALAYALEE by the name of Rajeev Chandrsekhar.They has paid MONEY to get elected and the persons in reciept of the same are TRUE BLOODED KANNADIGA’s , son of the soil farmers.
yen illa doctre sahisthivee andre hindhe inda guddhuthane irthaare. Adhakke swalpa thirg bhiddhe
You still dont get it, do you? Now you are blabbering about tolerance. I bet you know that the cholas were so well known for their tolerance that Ramunujacharya, frightened for his skin had to take flight from tamil nadu to the neighbouring kannidagas for protection who in turn provided him sanctuary at melukote to set up shop and propagate his views.
Yes, yes how dare the kannadigas show little patience when it is his birth right for a tamilian to run amok in karu naadu. Money eh!! how very right you are!!!. con-Artist and other politicos only expect idli-sambar/pongal/bru kapi from the business men of tamil nadu ofcourse they are holier than thou!!!!!
Even though pelting stones rioting and violence is abhorred. The kannadigas are not that barbaric to burn people along with the buses and vehicles when your amma JJ does not have it going well for her (ring a bell or do you have selective amnesia)
“All hail amma supreme queen and revolutionary leader, shiver and wither ye, fall at her feet ye commoners”. What??!! Sychophancy to amma!!, shantam paapam it is reverence, stupid kannadigas dont know the difference tsk! tsk!!!
coming to the filmi janta. Yes you are correct the kannadigas are a very discerning lot they will never watch any crap that is called a movie just because it was heaped on them. They will definitely watch a movie which is in good taste be it pulp or otherwise. So what happened there was less of a market for all the thrash and it was not viable in karu naadu, unlike in tamil nadu and andhra pradesh where watching movies is a lifestyle and a fashion statement. They found a market and better renumeration in other places they went there. period!
<> wow!!! I have to hand it to you, now you are really being mischievous. what are you alluding at? that Rajkumar’s family is controlling the cinema world in kannada? You have proved you are talking thru your obvious orifice. Once I did witness a clash in front of Prasanna theatre back in the eighties between the so called Rajkumar fans and the Vishnuvardhan fans. One thing I noticed amongst the alleged vishnuvardhan fans was how predominantly it was consisting of tamilians. The name ‘vishnuvardhan fan club’ was just a ruse it was plain anti-Rajkumar stance for he was the embodiment of all that kannadigas stood for ie ‘decency and humility’
Tolerenc eh!! sure the tamilians have it in abundance it is showing since ages. my dear friend all the names that you have mentioned in the last para; notice something in common in all of them. There were all brahmins (yes the ones you call TAM-BRAMS) who knew very well that it is dharma to assimilate into the land of domicile, the very community who were riled and attacked by that buffoon periyar, They had to rely on their wits & education to go and survive and assimilate with other communities where ever they went. Not like the cheri lot who form pockets like Matunga in mumbai and lots many in Bengaluru. A smart alec like manirathnam(MBA grad for nothing) makes a movie of such a tamil hoodlum, as usual all flock to watch it wah! wah!
once upon a time area of ‘smoking rocks’ ruled by legenderery Hoysala kings.
TN promoted(& still promoting) kongas to occupy areas of ‘smoking rocks’ alias HOGENAKKAL(in kannada).