The Hindu in an editorial today on the Hogenakal row:
“The key fact is that the two States reached an agreement in 1998 that they would not oppose each other’s drinking water schemes. The reasoning was that as long as each State was utilising water only from its share of the Cauvery water as determined by the tribunal in its interim award, the other could have no cause for complaint. Tamil Nadu withdrew its objections to the diversion of Cauvery water for the Bangalore drinking water supply scheme on the understanding that Karnataka would not oppose the Hogenakal drinking water project. The central government subsequently cleared the Hogenakal project to everybody’s satisfaction. But all this is now being obscured in a steady escalation of tit-for-tat chauvinism.”
Read the full editorial: Unsettling a settled issue
churumuri 
The Hindu has only shown its true colours! National Newspaper of Tamizh Natu !!
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@pragmatic
>>The Hindu has only shown its true colours! National Newspaper of Tamizh Natu !!
Nationa; newspaper of China would be more appropriate.
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Tamilians are the most glib talkers on the planet. Who said Karnataka agrees with the sharing formula? When the sharing formula itself takes Karnataka for a ride, anything that is erected on the basis of that formula is null and void. Therefore, the argument that TN can use “its share” of Kaveri water and do what it deems fit is flawed. We don’t agree that what they’re playing around with is “its share” at all. No.
Besides, Hogenakal belongs to Karnataka as per law. TN tries to hide that law, take KA’s foolish politicians for a ride and get away with all these projets and Jap funding and things like that.
BTW, I’m happy Churumuri is not using the second “k” like the kongas (they write Hogenakkal instead of the correct spelling which is Hogenakal; I’m reminded of the Kannada word “Ourakkan” when they say that). Times of India makes that grave error. And of course, DH, lickin’ TOI’s ass, does the mistake too. They should be sued for mis-spelling the names of Karnataka’s towns and cities. That itself destroys the history of Hogenakal. Hogenakal is such a beautiful Kannada word. The Kongas have (due to a disease of the tongue) modified it to add another K.
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if there are papers to prove that the government of karnataka had agrred to these terms earlier and are now backing off then it is time for the Ramesh Gowdas and Pragmatics to tarhet the TRUE KANNADIGA Leaders who signed those documents. Why are these Fanatics spreading venom on Tamilians? Any idea? If Hogenkal belongs to Karnataka , what about CAUVERY . will it belong to COORG and what if they demand a state and then cut off the water supply ?? where do you guys go for justice.
The law of the land should always be complied with.If the supreme court declares that the water can be used for Drinking Water Supply , the matter should end.Lets wait for that process.Until then no use badmouthing fellow Indian Citizens due to the inferioirty complex.
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I have been a regular follower of Churumuri, and I have always enjoyed reading the comments on various topics. This is the first time that I am responding. I did not know that Kannadigas hate Tamilians. Tamilians have made Great contribution for the development of Mysore state. One can real off many names. Science & Technology, literature, Culture, Sports are some of the benefactors. I do not see any such contribution for Tamilnadu from Kannadiga’s. We had as our Governor Sri JW a Great man indeed! You give us excess water that flows into KRS every year!
But the language used by the so-called Kannadigas has made me respond. What has happened to the Tamilians who are in Karnataka? Are they afraid to respond??!!
No doubt we are, as you Kannadiga’s say Kongas but we do not call others ****, etc. We are decent and go by the law of the land. We would like to live in harmony with people from all parts of India. We do not shut down the state and make local poor suffer just because somebody wants to use water to drink from resources available with them. We do not quarrel with all our neighbours, like you do, so that you can declare state bundh at some pretext or other. For the last decade or more, has any university in Karnataka completed their semester exams on time so that the children of your state can compete with others on time? Exams, admissions are postponed because of some bundh or other. Even on this 10th, children have their exams. Who is bothered about this?
We are proud to be Tamilians and will be for ever. We love our neighbours always, what may!
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Sainik has hit the nail on the head. Inferiority complex it is. Dear ka re va, gokulam, Dr ramesh, Yella OK etc, next you will ask all record companies selling GNB/MS albums to erase their voice from the disks and retain only the chowdiah bits. And yes, go to tiruvaiyyaru and ransack the tyagaraja memorial there. Remember he’s your enemy twice over. He wrote in the language of people who took godavari away from you, and lived in the land of Kongas. Will be interesting to see if you guys will spare Nagaratnamma who sits right opposite Tyagaraja worshipfully.
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Now they have woke up! Good for the cause!
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I have been reading churumuri for the last 1.5 years and this is the most disappointing post that I have ever seen. Dont know why Churumuri should act as the spokesperson of the Hindu. And, why there are no links to editorials in VK or PV.
Tamilina and Ad nauseum – Dont try to ride a high horse and talk glib. We are not questioning contributions of people who have contributed but only people like you who sow hatred without contributing any thing in return.
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Mr.Yella–There has not been a single post spreading hatred towards Kannadigas, it has been only the other way round, by your type of clan. Do not try to be defensive!
There has been good rains in south , for the last two years and there is plenty of water in Cauvery, Mettur dam has enough water, Tamilnadu’s water requirement has been eased to some extent by this. Because of this TN will not have to go to Karnataka for water with a begging bowl for some time now. So the Yella and his clan have nothing else to chew on( Not even AVALAKKI) and call for a bundh in Karnataka spreading hatred towards the Tamilians on Cauvery water issue. They burn buses, postpone exams, destroy public property, close business and other establishments creating enormous loss to the public. What do they gain out of all this? Are they made to pay for these damages–NO–the Karnataka vote for them to come to power, to plunder the poor. They want some excuse for all this activity and they have got one now.
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The BJP leaders of the state are conspicuous in their silence about this development, after Yediyurappa started the controversy. Meanwhile, S M Krishna, has stolen the issue right from BJP’s hands and has requested MK to come for discussion on the issue. I wonder, what was Yeddi thinking when he started this controversy without knowing where it will lead him and his party. Imagine what will happen if Yeddi becomes the CM
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The Editorial of Hindu and the comments of most readers on Hogenkal issue is biased as that of TN government/politicians. Let them unerstand what is mutual understanding. This applies to other States around Karnataka who are always disagreeing with the agreed documents. Our plight is because of our own politicians who are silent for the present any rake up the issue to their election advantage which is coming over shortly. It is this Janus mentality they should shun to come to power in Karnataka. Let our MP’s in total resign their seats and ministership. They should not be a laughing stock as of one MP Mandyada Gandu who knows nothing to talk or act( as member of parliament)
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Sainik, what venom did i spit against Tamils?
The issue is really serious.
1] The so called national newspaper taking sides of one state blatantly and covering up the truth.
2] the issue of Hogenakal project: In case Tamil Nadu executes the project, the water inflow to Mettur will be reduced drastically. This means, Tamil Nadu will start shouting for more water release since the gauging point that it trusts is that of Mettur and none before that. Already Karnataka has been asked to release twice the amount of water that it can keep for itself. And now, this is another burden on Karnataka, which cannot to tolerated.
If you cant understand these sensitive issues, i think, you better shut your mouth.
And yes, no fanaticism. Its just hard talk and bitter truth.
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KA TN
Basin Area (in km²) 42% 54%
Drought area in the basin (in km²) 63.80% 29.20%
Contribution of state (according to KA) 53.70% 31.80%
Contribution of state (according to TN) 52.90% 30%
Award 37.19% 57.71%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauvery_Dispute
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Pragmatic Sir, probably you drink only aerated and bislery water in Bangalore, but we are asking water for drinking only. There is no alternative for WATER on this earth. If you really want us to shut our mouth, so let it be. Still we want water for living, we are also human, there are Kannadiga’s living in this area. Think of them also for a change , not of the Kongas!!
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Tamilian,
The rate at which you guys multiply – all the water of Cauvery wont quench your thirst.
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sainik, Tamilan,
Kannadigas are all too aware about the mischievousness of TN. It is our bad luck that we have wimps in power who rearly speak for us unlike your wily old fox “THE (con)ARTIST”
Now did you carefully read what ‘pragmatic’ mentioned in his second point and where the trouble is in this current issue. Also look at the statistics provide by “tarlesubbha” does that make sense to you or should I spell it out for you.
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Another important point gone unnoticed fortunately for kannadiga’s are the economic loss for bangalore on bandhs like this. It’s not TN which is going to bear the brunt only bangalore’s reputation as an international city. Here in west, blr or chennai doesn’t make difference unrest in india is the bottomline. For all uninitiated if you care a damn about international perception here i give a hard fact which you may or may not aware, If NH 7 is blocked to chennai, it’s bangalore’s export unit and mfg units who are doing to pull their shutters down not vice versa as the closest only major port available is chennai. Today almost most of exports and imports for karnataka happens only through chennai and Tutucorin (v.limited proportion in mangalore). One cannot but admire the vision and strategies among the tamils .If karnataka needs to be self sufficient they need to strategise for self reliance on all field to stand up against all external factors. Please bear in mind here you are up against one of the closely knit group in the world no wonder they are held together for few thousand years without loss of identity. Please think and act before one self destruct as protests like these shouldn’t be the harbinger of extinction for wonderful and friendly tribe called kannadigas
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tarlesubba and others,
Disclaimer: I’m from Tamilnadu but can speak Kannada.
I can understand if the people of Karnataka are unhappy with their politicians/babus for perhaps not arguing their case more forcefully with the various independent authorities. But once the verdicts are out, it looks very cheap and silly if the people and the politicians refuse to honor those verdicts. Just imagine how can TN get away if your claims of injustice are so obvious. The truth is there is no injustice whatseover to Karnataka in the Kaveri issue and certainly not in the case of the Dharmapuri Water project.
The numbers given by tarlesubba are mischievous half-truths. What the numbers say (even according to Karnataka) are that, Karnataka has to give away some 35% (155 out of 425) of the waters that fall in its catchment area to TN. People have to be really silly to question this verdict. Please let us know what numbers you guys will be comfortable giving to TN. 5% or 10%? Do you want to use TN as the drainage for your excess water alone?
Further please understand what the contribution of TN to the total water in Kaveri means. The contribution in the Thanjavur delta regions cannot be used in the rain shadow regions to its west, right? So any illusion that each state’s contribution should equal its utilization are completely misplaced and reflects a petty attitude towards sharing a common resource.
As for the argument that water is measured at KRS, Kabini and Mettur and hence a project originating in Hogenakal will be out of Karnataka’s pocket is again silly. If you think the government of Karnataka is so impotent even to work out a agreement to factor this usage, I suggest you move to TN from Karnataka.
Besides the water to be used for this drinking water project is 1.4 tmfct. Even the interim award to TN which Karnataka has been obeying on and off in the last 17 years was around 210 tmcft. 1.4 is probably less than the seepage allowance people use while calculating these numbers. Again if you wanna argue that its sets a precedent and TN will rob Karnataka at a later date, I suggest you get out of Karnataka.
Come on, your government should have someone who actually works. Or is it that the bloggers here care and work for the state than what the government itself manages. Even if you have such low confidence on your government, why punish Tamilnadu for that?
And in any further discussion here or elsewhere, please use phrases like Tamilnadu and Karnataka and not Tamils and Kannadigas. Wonder why the Kannadiga organizations don’t give a damn about the Kannadigas living in Tamilnadu!
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Sanik said,
“Until then no use badmouthing fellow Indian Citizens due to the inferioirty complex.”
Actually there is some use for it. It brings out how outsiders like you really think of your hosts. Your statement shows that clearly.
Think about it.
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@ Tamilian, oh there goes again the kongas ‘ I know everything abt everything ‘ attitude
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tamilare,
what pray is TN’s proactive gesture to solve this crisis? one gesture is all i ask you to list. one single instance. that TN, in search of machismo and mumukshatva, has reduced atleast two of cauvery’s tributaries to cricket fields or that historical lakes and ponds built by the real tamilars have been reduced to chinni kolu maidans? they do it in huLiyar,chitradurga it is cute, but when they do it in the land of cholas it is pitiful and outrageous. TN fuc&s up entire river basins and KA is supposed to send 10 tmcs just to keep the environmental concerns going? for crying out loud, warts and all we’ve done more to preserve the 60% of the ghattas, than the masturbatory efforts of santosh sivan and manirathnam fed psyops would have the world believe. color morphing filters or not.
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Reading many of the comments, I feel that the the quality of discussion couldn’t get any lower and totally off the point. These comments actually prove how well the politicians foster chauvinism and take advantage. You guys fit the mold. Keep it up.
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this post represents total failure of KA’s intellectual elite. honestly, i cant imagine how wedded these people are to theories and madivantike. it just boggles my mind. it’s unimaginable. just the fact that all our intelligencia can do is quote to verabatim a third rate con artist all in defense of theory and in variance to basic human values is amazing.
for all the peddling of taking the last man along, so wedded are these people to metrics that it makes me sick. pardon the geekyness, but for those who can understand, mean is just a statistic not a definitive character of the distribution. ditto, metrics like peace and consensus.
the underlying distribution is marked by higher moments of skewness. despite 60% of the drought area and 50% of water contribution if i am only entitled to 37% of the total share of water by law, then i piss on that law and piss on that peace that propagates this law. political correctness be damned.
pulikeshi-the-last here battles tirelessly for education. i know he bleeds genuinely and it is unfair to single him out, but if this is what education and literacy means, i pray to the gods, i dont believe in, to make all our people illiterate. atleast they are rooted to reality and are virtuous enough not to get their highs on intellectual bullsh|t.
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ptcbus conductre, talk from your heart. 99% of churmuri walas have heard that, this and the other. keep your cliches to yourselves. stand up and make a case. not to sound too preposterous, we would respect original points more than these nice and cute stuff. talk from your heart. if you have names to call and people to diss do so. half tickets dont cut.
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Dear friends, what is the use debating an issue with hard core tamil militants. They say kannadigas are goondas. But the whole world knows it is bcos TN that LTTE has emerged as world’s deadliest terrorist outfit. They had even hatched plans to blast KRS.
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It hs been TN, MH’s practice to xploit kannadiga’s universalism. Wud they tolerate if chennai were to hve such numbr of kannadigas as blore has?
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@Tamilian,
contribution for Tamilnadu from Kannadiga’s? PERIYAR E.V.RAMASAMY NAIK is an out and out Kannadiga. And is he not the father of all dravidian political parties?
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Bhuvanesh Babu please check—
PERIYAR E.V. RAMASAMY NAICKER
was born at Erode town in Tamil Nadu State – India, 1879 [Sep-17]
Father
VENKATA (NAICKER)
A popular rich merchant;
Ardent devotee of Hindu religion. (A Vaishnavite)
Mother
CHINNA THAYAMMAL alias MUTHAMMAL
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http://www.periyar.org/html/ap_bios_eng1.asp
Periyar was very much a South INDIAN Tamilian from Erode, check the above site.
He was a Naickar, not a Naik from South Canara (which was also a part of Madras Presidency).
Probably you Kannadigas do not believe in documentary evidence, but any way you can check the site and enlighten your knowledge. How can you twist history?
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poor Tamilan!!
Periyar might have born in Erode. But he was a descendant of the Nayaka family of Vijaynagara. See how chauvinistic you are! cant agree to this simple truth also!!
[i am definitely not regionally chauvinistic when i say that Periyar has his roots in Karnataka, for the fact that such people are a burden on our societies]
Check this out–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy#Biography
and at least now, will you shut your mouth? or do some sensible argument?
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and you say Kannadigas do not believe in documentary evidence? wow, joke of the day!
go and read ‘tamiLu talegaLa naDuve’ by BGL Swami.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gajanur
pragmatic–This is for your eyes only!
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@ dharma
Did any of us deny that Rajkumar was not born in Gajanur? Its you people who desist from accepting the facts. Needless to mention here about Rajnikanth, Prakash Raj, Arjun Sarja etc.
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Give us a break from Kanmani and his palegaar clan.
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Tarle–
I still say education, meaningful education, more than thumbprint education, the kind of education that will allow our people to get angry in posts as you do. There ain’t no other way, bro.
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tamil people tried their level best for not making kannada and telugu classical languages.and now they are playing the dirty game against malayalam.i love tamil very much. but dont like the tamil chauvanism.one india concept is better for us than lingering to south indian connection.tamils will cheat us.its in their blood.periyar is not an inter state river. and still tamils are playing a dirty game.central govt is fearing tamil independenc movnt
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