S.R. RAMAKRISHNA writes from Bangalore: What’s in a name? Oh, everything.
On Monday, the crew of an FM radio station in Bangalore got beaten up because someone didn’t like the name of a show they were recording.
And what was the show called? Bendetthu Bengaluru.
If you are a Bangalorean, and if you have Kannadiga friends who don’t mind a bit of slang, you will probably have come across the expression ‘bendetthu‘.
‘Bendettu‘ is a mix of two words: ‘bend’ and ‘etthu‘. Bend is from English, and etthu is Kannada to take out, remove, lift. Bendetthu means to straighten up something, and I suspect it comes from the world of tinkering.
Cars that are dented need to be straightened up… they need the bendetthu treatment.
Get the drift?
‘Bendetthu Bengaluru”s producer describes it as a show that tries to find solutions to Bangalore’s civic problems.
Now why should this name upset anyone? Members of the Karnataka Rakshana Vedike went to Vijayanagar, where the crew was talking to passers-by, and asked them why they had chosen a name that was insulting to Bangalore.
The terrified jockeys had no answer, and so these custodians of Bangalore pride decided to teach them a lesson.
We all know the Rakshana Vedike is excitable when it comes to Kannada issues, but how do you explain them going and thrashing Kannada radio jockeys doing a Kannada show with what one would think is a witty Kannada name?
Anyone with any interest in Kannada movies will have heard of an actor called Jaggesh. If you want to enjoy Bangalore’s street language, you should watch his movies. I am sure he makes up his own dialogue. His clowning is good fun, but he stands out for his linguistic brilliance.
I know of no actor who has been able to tap into the rich, iridescent world of Kannada slang the way Jaggesh has. Raj Kumar is too dignified an actor to mouth slang, and romantic heroes such as Vishnuvardhan don’t ever try to break out of their middle-class monotony. Upendra talks a lot, and tries to shock you with his iconoclasm, but you can hardly accuse him of good taste.
You’ve heard of the expression ‘would-be’ to refer to a fiance? In one of his films, Jaggesh plays on this word, and refers to his girlfriend as his “Udupi wife”. He can turn any word on its head!
Jaggesh acted in a film called Bundal Nan Maga some years ago. I suspect he thought up that name himself. It’s again like ‘Bendetthu Bengaluru’. Bundal is probably bundle, short for bundle of lies. Nan maga means my son.
If Jaggesh could get away with a title like that, there’s no reason a radio team should be harassed for the title ‘Bendetthu Bengaluru’.
Jaggesh is now an MLA, and could lose his wit trying to say the right things for the consumption of the media and his constituency. Just imagine the artistic suffocation he would experience if someone went to him and demanded that he explain his word play.
He hails from Srirampura, close to the city railway station, a neighbourhood of working class and poor Kannadigas and Tamils. It was at one time notorious as a haven for criminal gangs. Jaggesh’s language draws on the brash, clever, and often dark humour of people forced to live in squalor.
In the hands of a great director, he could produce comedies of Chaplin‘s class.
Dr Siddalingaiah, the most famous Dalit poet around and now chairman of the Karnataka Book Authority, also hails from Srirampura. When a reporter called him yesterday, he suggested the Rakshana Vedike was hurt because of the title ‘Bendetthu Bengaluru’.
In truth, Siddalingaiah is a sophisticated humorist, and can produce a great script for Jaggesh. If only he’d stop saying bendetthu is bad Kannada…
(S.R. Ramakrishna is the resident editor of Mid Day, Bangalore, where this piece first appeared)
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tarlesubba reporting in support of benDetth bengaLoor even if i have not heard one word of it.
they killed lingo leela and now they killed benDett. hing aadre henge?
yaar-ri ee maDivantru?
without slang its a big bore to speak any language.
I think i should not be commenting here. But, i would like to make one point. Any chauvinistic organisation is essentially a fascistic organisation. Any fascistic organization and its members have an increasing tendency to be the moral correcting force and in due course they perpetrate the law or infact they hijack the law.
And some sensible public calls them lumpens and while some call them saviours.
It’s an assumption that all FMs are Hindiwalaas. KRV should start its own FM and force it upon people. Best option.
This whole gimmick of Bedethhu bengaluru is just a waste of time and it sounds fake,have you ever heard of these radio jockeys trying to speak kannada with some american accent,its not at all a slang.
I haven’t heard it either but Lingo Leela was really disgusting.
I can understand KRV assaulting a crowd of RJs for a perceived slight to Kannada. The govt seems to have outsourced Kannada protection to KRV activists; KRV can beat up anyone and get away. Police dont act. But what about poet Sidlingaiah; how can he defend such acts of terror, sitting in a govt position, enjoying govt perks? The poet should speak for those beaten up, not for those beating.
And finally, an excellent piece by Ramakrishna. Jaggesh is an original actor; his slags are his own creation.
I also hail from srirampura :) … nice to see it mentioned along with jaggesh and Siddalingaiah … but somehow it always gets associated with criminal gangs. Things have changed a lot from then, now its transforming itself into bustling business center… more Marwaris & Jains coming in .. becoming more diverse from earlier kannada/tamil population. Meanwhile, KRV doesn’t have guts to enter tamil dominated areas in srirampura, theirs is just token violence against helpless folks.
I would firstly treat this article with a dose of cautious salt. Havent read it in any other paper. Who knows whether the RJs were actually bashed up and what was the extent of bashing up? Secondly, not even sure if the people who “bashed up” RJs were indeed from KRV. Given the English media’s penchant to literally bash KRV, the article appears cooked up.
If it is indeed the KRV and if indeed the RJs were bashed up, I would condemn it. Among all the channels, only Big FM started with and has stayed to a largely kannada music content.
This matter aside (seems more and more like mountain made out of a molehill), the article is quite bizarre I must say. Why is Dr. Siddalingaiah vilified so badly? In the first place, seeking his views on such a trivial matter seems bizarre. On top of this to blame him for an opinion (not printed in full, probably) seems even more so. Did Mr. Ramakrishna and ilk expect Dr. Siddalingaiah to take the metaphoric machchu and start metaphorically kochchufying KRV? And why the allusion of a “Kannada literary don” in the headline – confounds me (dont even know if this handiwork of Mid-day writer or the blogger. And the long piece on Jaggesh is out of place – Jaggesh is a far under-rated comedian but connecting him to this piece is a bit of a stretch.
Finally, some people commenting here referred to Lingo Leela. As much as it was innovative and creative, it must also be noted that it was highly disrespectful of RadioCity to broadcast that as the ONLY kannada presence on the channel. One song a day in kannada (you are backward, so we have reseved a one song slot? go eat the crumbs), all RJs speaking english/hindi, inteview bollywood and other si stars and talk about them but no kannada movies or music pls – if this kind of attitude made the Lingo leela piece look disrespectful no one should be blamed except the channel. Btw, that channel is now singing “sikkapatte kannada, swalpa hindi”. In the end, market forces have reigned.
It is all simple really! KRV Bendetthu Bangalore-ge bendithhidhharre! Astey!
Slang is one thing, downright moronic behavior is another matter. Next we will have ‘Piece Bangalore’, ‘Figure Bangalore’ FM radio stations?:)
Cant remember which movie was this but the song goes
” sri krishna bandano bengaloorige
_____ bete aaDalu
beedi kaamaNNara bennu mooLege
bend etti breaku haakalu”
(I have forgotten the word that comes at ____)
This song was from early ’90s so surely ‘bend ettu’ is in Kannada popular culture.
Now I dont agree with KRVs ideologies. Do I just go and beat them up?
Oh wait!! There goes my glass window.
yella ok is sakkath ok, alla kanrappa e newsu adu yavaga yava paper nalli banthu swalpa helthira, asalu idu nadadhidhu nijavena??
yella ok heldange, bikshe hako reethi dinakke ondu kannada hadu haki, navu kannnada support madthivi antha helidre , kelakke jana yen muttalara…
KRV —- Ikkarla vodirla…..ide irabeku inspiration avarige. Bendettu need not be taken in a bad way. Bendettu can also mean repair. There are many problems to be focussed by media and if they do it it need not be considered offensive. We had M Ramamurthy, A N Krishnarao and others who sacrificed so much for the betterment and saving of Kannada. You cannnot save Kannada by beating up somebody. Do some constructive work,espouse the cause of Kannada , distribute good Kannada books to children and make them read it. Visit schools and teach them about the greatness of Kannada language and literature. If you do these things continuously for ten years then you can dfinitely see the attitudinal changes everywhere.
This is what happens if you allow rakthabheejasuras like KRV to rise to fame in the name of Kannada. Even Siddalingaiah also seems to have no spine to speak up against these street rowdies….God save Kananda
Thanks S R Ramakrishna for writing something perspective at a time all Kannada and English newspapers have either sold out or frightened out because of KRV. But be careful, your office, house may be the next target of Kannada Rakshasha Vedike…
Beating up people for random “crimes” must stop! Today it is beating up (and God knows how badly this guy was beaten) and tomorrow it could become Taliban style…..no, this needs to stop! Ours is a democractic country and we need to follow democratic methods of handling/settling our disagreements.
In a jiffy, and as a no-brainer: Producers of the radio show lacked negotiation skills.
(Watch “The Insider” for a lighter lesson or two from a serious movie.)
Talking about movies, especially about ‘Actor’ Jaggesh, is the piece-de-resistance of this occasion. Our silver tongued man, with low acceptance rate amongst the elite of Bengaluru for presumed vulgarity, is definitely the Jim Carrey of the Kannada filmdom.
If you’ve been raised in anti-Jaggesh environs of Bengaluru or outside, it would be hard to fathom how much less you have laughed in your lives. 28 ½ districts of Karnataka (of course excluding ½ of Bengaluru-Urban’s confused and skin colour-conscious souls), wanting to get a piece of Bengaluru’s lifestyle, are seeing it coming through Jaggesh’s inimitable mockery of styles and trends in the Capital.
His salad of comic styles, histrionics, ingenuity and seedy-cum-speedy dialogue delivery makes him a man of his own and only class.
What about his anal-sphincter-muscles-contraction acting? Welcome to the world of Jaggesh! Few can squeeze the lemon and bring out the 9 rasas of acting in comedy, and jaggesh takes a lead with five of them—erotic, comic, pathetic, disgusting and surprising. Other four might not shine bright on him, but he can carry it off as best as the best actor in sandalwood alive.
No wonder he was baptized (by some learned journalist) or at least had the guts to call himself Navarasa Nayaka. I believe he came the hard way, practiced the right thing and chose a perfect genre. Not that all his films are good, some are sucker for stupidity.
But the thing that grasps me by its elbow, and tickles my ribs to death, is his incongruous one-liners or play on words like….aaa napoleon dove(a), bore ammana vita (bournvita) and the classic: Daggar….:)
Don’t ask about Dr. Siddalingaiah, I’m not aware of him much. But I can’t stop telling how right when SR Ramakrishna asserts: In the hands of a great director, he could produce comedies of Chaplin’s class.
(We’ve seen it both under upendra’s tarle nan maga and Guru’s mata fame)
Totally agree with Yella OK….
bere elloo idara bagge bandilla….. idralli eshtu nija eshtu suLLu ?
For others who are spewing venom on KRV….please verify the veracity of news before you start bashing KRV….
“This is what happens if you allow rakthabheejasuras like KRV to rise to fame in the name of Kannada. ”
And how do you prevent this from happening? There are lots of displaced people who are seeing outsiders coming in and making money. The government is doing nothing to prevent mass migration or solve any of their problems. What do you expect? If not in the name of KRV then some other name. Is just a matter of time before things get worse…
Anony coward,
Here it goes. I think I have the third sentence wrong.
hey hey …
hey hey …
Gopis:
——
Sri krishna bandhane Bengaloorige
gopeyara hindu kaayaluuu
Ee joka mannara(?) benu mulege
bendethi brake-haakalu
Sri Krishna:
————
O balli baaleyare neevidhare kolaata
O malli naariyare neevidhare kadhaata
Gopis:
——
Sri krishna bandhane Bengaloorige
gopeyara hindu kaayaluuu
Ee joka mannara benu mulege
bendethi brake haakalu
Gopis:
——
Mathura central jail-inalli
Nee huttidhe, nee huttidhe
Aa kamsana piec-u maadalu,
Aa oorige peac-u needalu.
Sri Krishna:
————
Brindavanadha park-inalli
vodaadalu, haadealu,
naa huttidhe jolly maadalu
kare banthu kedigala kollalu haaa
Gopis:
——
Neenenaiyya maayagaranu
kathi gun illadildhe gellabaranu
Sri Krishna:
————
Ghum yendhidhe kivi yallvu,
baalera hogula maathu keli keli
O balli baleyare neevidhare kolaata haha ha ha
O malli nariyare neevidhare kadhaata hahaha ha
(…awful music…)
Gopis:
——
Seere kadhiyo handi-nalli
seere koduve, mana tharuve,
Noora vondhu villian madhydhalli
Manahogo antha time-inalli
Sri Krishna:
————
nanna chinthe yaarigilla
Oora chinthe, yella kanthe,
Bandhu bitthu nanna mejinalli
Ardha jolly hoithu ballinalli
Gopis:
——
Ninagenaiyya mojugaaranu
Hathu hadhinaaru nooru gopeyaru
Sri Krishna:
————
Ghum yendhidhe kivi yallvu
Baalera hogula maathu keli keli
Sri Krishna:
————
hey thara tha thara tha
Balli baleyare neevidhare kolaaTa ta ta da tada da tada
thakita thakita tha dhim mi tha
Malli nariyare neevidhare kadhaata haaa
Gopis:
——
Sri krishna bandhane bengaloorige
gopeyara hindu kaayaluuu
Ee jokamanara benumulege
bendethi brake haakalu
If they really using that word for Bengaluuru, it is not at all in good taste.
I am not against using slangs in any language.
Bendetthu is normally used for straightening something which has gone wrong by using force (may be violence) or it may also mean thrashing somebody violently.
I can not accept programmes with such titles for solving the problems of Bengaluuru.
It is sad story that FMs in Bengaluuru ignore Kannada and when they air programmes in Kannada, they just ridiucle Kannada.
Why you think KRV is bunch of beejarakshasas? They dont give you that “sophisticated, urbane look”!!
@ Sandesh
I fully agree with your comments. Some people are spewing venom against KRV without even knowing the facts.
@Anonymous Guy
True. KRV is atleast venting the voices of the displaced people in Bengaluuru. Juts becoz it is headed by non-brahmin(sic), some are making nasty comments on KRV.
How many of the bloggers here whose mother tongue is Kannada, speak in Kannada in public with pride? How many defend the cause of Kannada when non-Kannadigas make nasty comments on Kannada language and Kannada people in Bengaluuru?
Some of the bloggers would not want to identify themselves as Kannadigas in public.
Actually NRN should be blamed for this.. he has not been giving the KRV peepalz anything to protest against.. hence they are bend etthing the RJs..
@ mysooruBoyz
You have sick mind!!
@Dr. Sree Reddy
..and you have nothing else to do.. come on ease up on your pontificating… and where did this “brahmin” thing come from?
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MysooruBoyz-
dont you know that dr reddy’s mind is as pure and clear as lake manasa sarovara. His alimentary canal is all upside down, you just cannot accuse him of pontificating when he is actually defecating. You stand corrected.
Out of curiosity, I tuned into Big FM this morning. The Bendethu Bengaluru programe is still on air – as bad as it can be with the RJs screaming nonsense. There is still no confirmation that it is KRV and the the bashing up actually happened. Probably the writer of the piece got questioned by KRV because his newspaper ignores kannada and karnataka.
I will wait for the day when the editor puts Jaggesh up on front page and writes a piece on him on the day of release of Jaggesh’s new movie Yeddel manjunatha. If a third rate Hindi/tamil movie actors deserve it in midday, Bangalore, Jaggesh would definitely more than deserve it. “Yeddelu Mid-day”
idondu dodda joke ansutte guru !!
benDettu bengaluru ivattu beLiggenu keLidini,,,
English media da criminals ge KRV kuntru tappu,, KRV nintru tappu,,,
thu,,ttareki…
Suggestion to Bendetthu Bengaluru team: Don’t despair, KRV nimma bend ethidre…(another matter whether you needed to be straightened out or not) neevu sholder ethidre aythu. No I am not preaching violence. I mean dislocate their agenda. Change the nature of your programme and do a good studio-based “budhijeevigala” discourse type of show about all the slang –FM radio ishtyle.
I remember vaguely that some snack or sweet was also referred to as bendu! Can anyone tell me, can’t pinpoint it. Potli’s talk of other parts of the body reminded me about another snack called -boti! It means intestines right? There you already have two-three terms to dissect in the studio show. Do it…at some stage you can invite KRV and ask them if they think slang enriches Kannada culture or demeans it. If so how they plan to enforce the Kencha-Manjas from using it.
Avara blogu idhe.
Alli ee comment bitthidhini (of course it is in the moderation queue).
http://radiofmblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/big-fm-bangalore-launched-a-unique-campaign-called-bendethu-bengaluru/
Makkla,
Yeno KRV janaru nim bendethudranthe? Nijanaa? Swalpa illi comment barithira gurugale?
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/if-a-kannada-literary-don-can-warn-of-repairee/#comment-83837
@ Mysoor Boyz and vitlan Potli
you guys have the sickest minds.
Vitlan Potli the flag bearer of Brahmins who just keeps spewing venom and venom on other communities. If you have a dirty of way of writing things , it just indicates your sick and higly biased minds and your levels of education. Some of the Brahmin bloggers at churumuri always turn a blind eye to the follies done by their community members. They dont comment or crticize eg. Bhat incident.
Can’t you read between the posts and the lines?
How some of you keep posting comments ridiculing people/organisations headed by non-brahmins is clear indication of your so called “pure minds”.
neevu dodda manasa sarovara.
By the way I also think this Vitlan Potli is a big MCP.
@Vitlan Potli:
I humbly stand corrected…
Bendu is melted jaggery with some cloves and cardamom in it. Recipe Melt jaggery add cloves and cardamom and when it’s it piping hot roll it in small globs. Use toughest dishwash for cleaning the vessels!
@Vitlan Potli
You r talking about your Brahmin alimentary canal upside down! Very true.
i really pity your levels of education and can you be called educated person?
anyway you can not practice your castism in the name of practising religion on other communities nowdays , so do it on the web!!
wow what sophistication!!
Your comments are disgusting!!
If you have an argument, come out!! Dont spread your venom.
Wazzzz up doc ???
nananana naaaa na
nananana naaaa na
(exit stage right)
P.S. Rabipur is back in stock
Dr. Reddy,
Few things which you probably already know, nevertheless:
1. Most people will defend their own caste/community/religion. And while doing that some will try to play up perceived faults of whichever section they feel is their opponent. You, me, Vitlan Potli, Mysore boyz all do it without even thinking about it. That is why we write comments here – to pass some internet time and vent some feelings. Nothing more (except some of us may be spending too much useful time commenting).
2. The internet being what it is, you will find people passing unrelated personal comments. Much like real life, where you start arguing on some issue and end up passing personal comments. Everyone be they Brahmins or Vokkaligas or Lingayats or Muslims or Christians or XYZ.
3. You have to admit, if you count by numbers (in a crude way), among internet users from Karnataka (wherever they be), there are a large number of Brahmins. And they will write what they feel. It may be venom to you, but it may be the point of view for them. If you feel an underlying tone in their comments (unnecessarily taking names only from particular communities, opposing views of people who are seen as anti-brahmin etc.), go ahead and comment on that. In fact you do it in an interesting way. But reacting by abusing back only makes your comments less interesting.
Just saying this… Lots of time on my hands at work today :)
I think it is another attempt to show KRV in poor light and malign the pro-Kannada people.
@Vitalan Potli aka Venom Pot
You showed your real face. You do not have any argument to counter me, except your vulgar language.
What is rabipur? ( I am not interested in your Bihar and UP stories)
All your ideas are film inspired, not even bookish!
I am sure you have entered the college through back door (paying donations etc)
Even you have the EXIT.
@ anonymous guy
Thank you for your advice. I agree with you, I shouldn’t be stooping down to others levels specially THAT ONE.
Everybody is free to write but I think they should not abuse or accuse others writing without any valid reason/evidence. In addition, just because they are more in numbers as internet users, they shouldn’t go around saying what is not true and should n’t abuse people from other communities. It is left to thier conscience. I am sure there are so many Brahmins writing on this Churumuri, all dont use vulgar language like Vitlan Potli and start abusing Zamindaars/farmers / other communities without any knowledge. People can oppose each other and air their viewpoints.
Many of us know vey well what NRN did for Kannada people. His company gave canteen contract to andhra people and employed security guards from north india and most of the programmers are non-Kannadigas mostly Bengalis and Northies. They landed in Bengaluuru hordes and hordes and destroyed peace of our city. In the process also damaging our culture.
KRV is working hard to get back the status of Kannada in Bengaluuru. They are no rowdies. Why these guys should tarnish the image of KRV who are speaking in favour Kannada people?
There is a decent way of disagreeing.
Anonymous Guy, Thanks again.
:-)
AG – brilliant poem- K S Na and PuTiNa would have been impressed- BTW it’s Odadalu and Noora Ondu- but even the great icon of KRV- Rajkumar said it that way so what the heck:)
Dr SR I would supose VP is just expressing hys cynical views and I dont think he would have diffrent opinions about the KaRaVe even if it was led by a brahmin if their style of functioning was the same as it is now!!
Gaby that isnt really a poem.
Is a song from the movie Yuga Purusha – since Anony coward brought it up. With music (and lyrics?) by Hamsalekha. Watched it? If you havent – I would recommend it – a classic (remake of the movie Karz from our very own ravichandran).
To listen to the song – and how brilliant it is (dialog between sri krishna of bangalore and the gopis):
Go to: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/kannada
Search for Shree Krishna Bandanu
Keep lyrics on hand and listen :)
And you said to Dr. Reddy:
“I would supose VP is just expressing hys cynical views and I dont think he would have diffrent opinions about the KaRaVe even if it was led by a brahmin if their style of functioning was the same as it is now!!”
Now that brings up an interesting question.
It KRV was indeed led by a brahmin – would it have been what it is today? Firstly would it have functioned as it does. And more importantly – would it be the force it is given how things work in India today?
Oh boy. What a cackle of hens you guys are.
Well AG, apologies for the ‘poem’ bit. Honestly I didnt know about the movie song at all and despite your recc I am not really tempted to listen to a Ravichandran inspired hamsalekha. I am snobbish in my taste:)
About the second issue – set me thinking and the brahmin led organisations I could think of were The Indian Cricket team for test matches, the RSS, The Iandian Administrative Service and yes the BSP ( Whith Satish Chandra Misra as the chief strategist)! With each of these showing different fortunes I couldnt make up my mind on the question you pose regarding Brahmin leadership and the KaRaVe. Any thots on this ?
Cricket team and IAS? They were created by the British not brahmins. They werent a reaction to perceived injustice or alienation of local people. ‘Leading’ them is not like creating an organization like KRV and giving it direction. It is interesting that you even mention them as brahmin led organizations. Neither is now controlled by the brahmins.
BSP was Kanshiram, who was not a brahmin.
RSS yes interesting – the founder Hegdewar was a Brahmin right? Dont know what the circumstances were which lead to the foundation, early years etc.
I still wonder about your statement of opinions being same if KRV was led by a brahmin.
@Vitlan Potli aka Venom Pot
What is that smily for?? very pathetic!!
@Gaby
There are many organisations led by Brahmins and not every organisation run into sectarian practices. But unfortunately when it comes to some organisations led by non brahmins, in Karntaka ‘some people’ start abusing or spread a negative campaiging against them which is not good. There is so much discrimination in Bengaluuru against Kannada language speakers. One north Indian went around the city with a Japanese tourist and informed this Japanese tourist local Kannada language has very low status bcoz most of the Kannada speakers are poor and low in status. That Japanese tourist who is a sociologist went back and wrote in his Japanese book, (if rendered in English it would be) ‘India: The Country of Cows and Computers’ that Kannada has very low status in Bengaluuru bcoz of most of the Kannada speakers are poor!!
My youngest brother shouted on odiya females in Koramangala for saying
nasty things about Kannada. He made her apologise for comments on Kannada. I have also encountered such people from other states.
Before blaming it on others, there is a sizable chunk of Kannadigas who feel insulted to speak Kannada in public, are responsible for lowering the status of Kannada in Bengaluuru.
The birth of RSS was in Nationalism/ India’s freedom struggle.
Dr. Reddy,
I fully agree with you on your observation that Northies/Bengalies have ruined the rich cultural heritage of bangalore and turning it into another Jhumri Talayya from the cow belt. It is pathetic and only organisations like KARAVE can counter this onslaught effectively. I guess we need to take a few tips from our southern neighbours TN/Kerala and become a little more fanatic about our language and culture to check this northie/bengali menace.
More power to them.
Regards
Mayura
Dockie, you still not done yet? :-)
@mayura
I agree with you.
We should become aggressive specially in Benagluuru. We should also spread the idea of speaking in Kannada is fashionable and prestigious.
We should quite often keep telling the people who dont speak in Kannada
“Nimage Kannada barudillava, What a shame!!”
I have told a Iyer teacher from Kerala who was teaching at Jyothi Nivas college for 25 years and said she does not know a word of Kannada. I exclaimed at her” What a shame! You live in Bengaluuru for 25 years and you do not know Kannada? How can you be a professor of a language?
You almost have no ability to pick up a language. She admitted ” I know it is a shame. She does n’t get the oppurtunity to pick up Kannada”.
What lame excuse!!
@VP
:(
Reddy Dr.,
First start at home. KRV should first catch hold of Kannadigas in Bangalore who feel it shame to talk in Kannada. you can experience this thoughout the city. Then you take upon teaching Iyers and Bengalis.
Mayura,
You have all the rights to feel great about your land. At the same time it doesn’t entitle you to look down upon others. Maybe you had a bad nightmare with some Bayya or Bengali Babu!
Dr Reddy, You know the typical sleeeeepy culture of Kannadigas. They were caught napping when NRN was recruiting. NRN didn’t bother to wake them up. Is it his fault? Now Kannadigas are feeling the heat of their laid back character. It’s not too late. but KRV will take Kannadigas nowhere. They are a confused lot.
Rama,
>>At the same time it doesn’t entitle you to look down upon others. Maybe you had a bad nightmare with some Bayya or Bengali Babu!
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I am not looking down on anyone here. In fact I have a lot of north Indian/Bengali friends whom I have taught Kannada. All I am trying to say is this, nobody is asking northies/bengalis to not come to Karnataka in search of jobs, they are most welcome, but once you come here do not start flaunting your non-existant culturual/linguistic superiority. I do not have time for such non-sense. If you like your language so much, keep it in your home, but when you are outside try to converse in kannada and try to gel with the local culture.
BTW Rama, Bengalis are very docile people, but I cannot say the same about Northies though.
:)
@Rama
please read all my comments out here.
I just gave that iyer’s case as an example of staying in Karnataka for 25 years and not learning a single word in Kannada. That means Kannada people allowed? her not to learn Kannada. She could manage in the city without knowing a Kannada word.
I have said repeatedly in many posts the problem is also due to local Kannada people who do not want to speak Kannada in public and think it is a shame to speak. If KRV follows your suggestion, they have been already branded by the educated elite as “rowdies” and people will start using some other nasty/dirty superlatives to refer them. Our educated elite and “modernized” people will start saying ” Freedom of speech, democracy” etc will be cited.
When NRN recruited, people did not know what is IT(I may be wrong)
or When NRN recruited, people thought he will give preferece to locals, which he did not do. Earlier days he did not even say why the local engineers were not recruited. He started giving reasons later, among which the lack of English skills was cited as one reason.
I would n’t say Kannadigas are sleepy. They lack aggressiveness and soft to the extent that they realise only when outsiders have made fortunes and fortunes in Bengaluuru and when they are subjected to humiliation at the hands of outsiders at job interviews.
Even if the Kannadigas were sleepy acccording to you, NRN should have had some pride in the language he speaks or the state he lives in.
The canteen jobs could have easily given to Kannadigas. I think Karnataka cuisine has the best veggie cusine in India.
he could have easily recruited security gurads from the state. May be he wanted lighter looking skins from the north!!
If Engineers did not know good english, he could have started some remedial English classes in his company for 6 months. There are so many English professors.
If you think Bengalis are docile, you are making a mistake. They are the most culturally arrogant group in India. It is like this. if a Bengali is teaching in a college, he /she will make sure to recruit for vacant positions only benaglis, not any olthers even if they have more qualification. this has happened in many prestigious institutes in India. they consider themselves above other Indians.
Northies(need to specify which and which state) are the most agrressive, rude and manner less people, i have ever come across. Specially those from Delhi, UP, Bihar and parts of Punjab can be very rude. I will not say the samething about Rajasthanis, Himachalis, MP etc.
Later more
Dr. Sree Reddy,
O.K., answer these questions please:
You said: “they are subjected to humiliation at the hands of outsiders at job interviews”
Question: Where, pray, did you find such ‘humiliation’? In Infosys? And substantiate your answer with some proof.
You said: “The canteen jobs could have easily given to Kannadigas. I think Karnataka cuisine has the best veggie cusine in India. He could have easily recruited security gurads from the state.”
Question: Do you know the concept of ‘bidding’?
Suggestion: Ask the KRV to set up a security agency and train its members (who are mostly involved in acts of hooliganism today). Create a competent and competitive organization, and bid for the contract – not only with Infosys, but with all major IT companies in Bangalore. Trust me, you’ll be much happier at the end of it.
You said: “If Engineers did not know good english, he could have started some remedial English classes in his company for 6 months.”
Question: Why, why on earth should he do that? Ask the ‘mannina maga’ Deve Gowda and the rest of the politicians to concentrate on education in the state instead of closing down schools that teach English. That is *THEIR* job. The 55000 odd employees of Infosys pay taxes, unlike politicians. The Government needs to do its duty.
You said: “Bengalis.. They are the most culturally arrogant group in India….. Northies(need to specify which and which state) are the most agrressive, rude and manner less people….”
Question: Can you please stop generalizing?
I myself am a Kannadiga, for the record. In May, when I was in India last, I encountered two terribly rude and dirty auto-drivers in Bangalore. I also encountered two BMTC conductors who were terribly brash and mannerless. Now, I would hate it if someone were to say that ‘kannadigas are so and so…’ just because several elements in Bangalore are of that type.
Anti-NRN, anti-IT, anti-BT, anti-migration, anti—– don’t you guys feel proud that Bangalore is among the World’s most famous cities today? That the world has given us recognition and respect in large part due to Bangalore? That we are well on our way to become a world city?
Mr.Vinay… who claims to b a kanniDiga on record, seems tht u do nt stay in India n just came to visit BengaLuru.. If u hd been stayin in BengaLuru from past 4-5 years, u wud hv noticed whts happening to the real BengaLuru-ppl… not just kannadiga’s of BengaLuru.. hv u ever stopped n thought why the BMTC or auto ppl hav become so nasty.. it’s because of the uncontrolled immigration to our city.. Most ppl who hv come here hv started behaving like kings n queens n treat local people like dirt.. I even have a north indian collegue who claims that Bangalore has improved only cos of northies.. Most of othr state people prefer ppl from their own states or language.. May b u hav never had a situation where u hd to lose ur job to another state person solely cos u r a kannadiga n othr person was not….
why shud the kannadigas not revolt.. if it ll nt happen now, it ll never happen… may b KRV does a bit too much, but atleast they hv shown the path n lot of kannadigas r wakin up to the reality now…
Whts development in ur understanding? Whts is Bangalore famous for? for IT? so? shud Bangalore lose it’s own culture n still be famous? whts the use of such fame? wht is there in it for the people who have built this city n who love this city?
@ Sandhya
I fully support your writing. Your observations are abosloutely corrrect.
Yes, even I have heard such false and arrogant claims of Northies.
You have answered Mr. Vinay well.
@Vinay
I stand by my statement on Bengalies and northies of (Delhi, UP, Punjab and Bihar). If you had lived in New Delhi or Bengaluuru for the last few years, you would know the realities well enough!!
One or two exceptions will not alter my statement on them.
Why all the English media reporters are Bengalies in Bnegaluuru?
All of them can’t even pronounce our names properly!!
rest later.
These migrants are not just migrants, they are like pests bringing their dirty culture of “loot, rape, maaro” to our city and snatching jobs from our people.
Sandhya:
Our own house is in Bangalore, my parents stay near Hebbal, my paternal grandparents stay in Banashankri, my Maternal grandparents stay in BTM Layout (from 15 years back, when BTM layout was considered complete outskirts of the city). I visit Bangalore every three months, coz’ I’m not an ‘NRI’ – my job is based in Bangalore but I travel a lot. And I have done my higher education in Bangalore btw. So I certainly know a *LOT* about Bangalore in the past 4-5 years.
Look here, there might be some who behave like ‘Kings and Queens’ who ‘treat local people like dirt’, but I have personally not encountered any kind of bias towards Kannadigas because of *language or regionalistic reasons*. Yes, I have seen people shouting at their drivers or servants, I have seen people arguing with shopkeepers, but they do it not because of lanuage reasons. They would do the same with their servants in Delhi or Patna.
Auto drivers in Bangalore were nasty from the time I was 10 years old. If an auto driver says that he is nasty *because* of immigration, he is a liar and a hypocrite. By the way, not sure if you’ve visited Mumbai – the immigration and influx is *MUCH* greater there, trust me. Gujratis, Tamilians, Kannadigas, Sardarjis, ……. everyone has descended upon the city. The auto drivers are generally much better there. While I should not generalize, there are bound to be thugs among Mumbai auto-wallahs, yet I find that overall, Mumbai auto-drivers are by and large not anywhere close to Bangalore autos in terms of nastiness or rudeness.
Regarding your North Indian colleague who made that statement – I hope you kicked his a**. He shouldn’t be making that kind of statement. But that does not mean every ‘northie’ is the same type. I have several ‘Northie’ friends and believe me, no one I know personally has such sentiments.
Regarding ‘most of the other state ppl prefer people of their own states’ – what d’you mean by ‘prefer’? As long as they marry/have an affair with people from only their states, it is their personal business. The point is, in *professional life*, in *work*, do they discriminate? If not, then there is nothing wrong. In their personal lives, they will certainly choose people from their own state/language.
‘Development ‘ in my understanding, is achieved when jobs are easy to get, unemployment is minimal, standards of living are good, easy access to healthcare and recreational facilities, an efficient legal system with low crime rate. And with each person free to pursue his own culture/language/interests as his choice may be. Bangalore still has a long way to get there. Heck, India has a very long way to go. But it is happening. And one thing is clear, IT is not going to solve all problems and make everyone achieve their ‘development’, but it is a step in the right direction. It is just a beginning.
and for those of you who think KRV has no focus, better get a check up at Nimhans..
ಮೊದಲಿಗೆ ಕಳೆದ ೫ ವರ್ಷದಲ್ಲಿ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಮಾಡಿರುವ ಕೆಲವು ಪ್ರಮುಖ ಹೋರಾಟಗಳನ್ನು, ಅವುಗಳ ಪರಿಣಾಮವನ್ನು ನೋಡೋಣ:
ಕಾವೇರಿ ನ್ಯಾಯ ಮಂಡಳಿ ತೀರ್ಪು ಬಂದಾಗ, ಈ ಕರುನಾಡಿನ ಒಬ್ಬೆ ಒಬ್ಬ ರಾಜಕಾರಣಿ ಬಾಯಿ ಬಿಟ್ಟು ನಮ್ಮ ರೈತರ ಪರ ಮಾತಾಡದೆ ಹೋದಾಗ, ೨೫೦೦೦ ರೈತರನ್ನ ಸಂಘಟಿಸಿ ದೆಹಲಿಗೆ ಕರ್ಕೊಂಡು ಬಂದು ದೆಹಲಿಯ ಜಂತರ ಮಂತರ್ ಭಾಗದಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಮಣ್ಣಿನ ಮಕ್ಕಳ ಪ್ರತಿಭಟನೆಯ ಬಿಸಿಯನ್ನು ಪ್ರಧಾನಿಗೆ ತಲುಪಿಸಿದ್ದು ನಾರಾಯಣ್ ಗೌಡರ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ.. ಅವತ್ತು ಆ ಪ್ರತಿಭಟನೆ ಆಗದೆ ಹೋಗಿದ್ರೆ ಇವತ್ತಿಗಾಗ್ಲೆ ಕಾವೇರಿ ನ್ಯಾಯ ಮಂಡಳಿ ತೀರ್ಪು ಕಾನೂನು ಆಗಿ, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೆಲ್ಲ ಹೊಟ್ಟೆ ಮೇಲೆ ತಣ್ಣೀರು ಬಟ್ಟೆ ಹಾಕೊಂಡು ಮಲ್ಕೊಬೇಕಿತ್ತು. ಹೇಳಿ, ರೌಡಿಗಳ ಗ್ಯಾಂಗ್ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಕರದ್ರೆ, 25000 ರೈತರು ಬರೋಕೆ ರೈತರಿಗೇನು ಹುಚ್ಚಾ?
ಮೈಸೂರು, ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು, ಹುಬ್ಬಳ್ಳಿ ಕೇಂದ್ರಗಳಿಗಾಗಿ ನಡೆದ ರೈಲ್ವೆಯ ಗ್ರೂಪ್ ಡಿ ಹುದ್ದೆಗಳ ನೇಮಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಬಿಹಾರಿಗಳನ್ನೂ ಟ್ರೈನ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ತಂದು ತುಂಬುವ ಕ್ರಮವನ್ನು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸಿ, ಕನ್ನಡದ ಮಕ್ಕಳಿಗೆ ಆ ಹುದ್ದೆಗಳು ಸಿಗಬೇಕು ಅಂಥ ಪೊಲೀಸ್ ಲಾಠಿ ಏಟು ತಿಂದು ಆಯ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರಕ್ರಿಯೆ ನಿಲಿಸಿದ್ದು ಮತ್ತದೇ ನಾರಾಯಣ ಗೌಡರ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ.
ಬಹಳ ಹಿಂದೇನು ಅಲ್ಲ, ಕೇವಲ ೬-೭ ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಹಿಂದೆ ಬೆಳಗಾವಿಯ ನಿಪ್ಪಾಣಿ ಭಾಗದಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳನ್ನು ಮರಾಠಿ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳ ಮಧ್ಯೆ ಇರಿಸಿ ತಂದು ಓದುವಂತ ಪರಿಸ್ಥಿತಿ ಇತ್ತು. ಅಂತ ಪರಿಸ್ಥಿತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಅಲ್ಲಿನ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರನ್ನು ಸಂಘಟಿಸಿ, ಅವರಲ್ಲಿ ಆತ್ಮವಿಶ್ವಾಸ ತುಂಬಿ, ೧೮ ವರ್ಷದ ನಂತರ ಕನ್ನಡತಿಯೊಬ್ಬರು ಬೆಳಗಾವಿ ಪಾಲಿಕೆಯ ಮೇಯರ್ ಆಗುವಂತೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದು ಬೇರಾರು ಅಲ್ಲ, ನಾರಾಯಣ ಗೌಡರ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ. ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನ so called ಕನ್ನಡ ರೌಡಿಗಳು ಹೋಗಿ, ಬೆಳಗಾವಿ ಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ ಒಬ್ಬರು ಮೇಯರ್ ಆಗೋ ಹಾಗೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದು ಹೇಗೆ?
ಒಂದು ಊರಿನ ಭಾಷೆ, ಸಂಸ್ಕುತಿಯನ್ನು ವಲಸಿಗರಿಗೆ ಪರಿಚಯಿಸುವಲ್ಲಿ ಸಮೂಹ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮಗಳ ಜವಾಬ್ದಾರಿ ಗುರುತರವಾದದ್ದು. ಬೆಂಗಳೂರೆಂಬ ವಲಸಿಗರ ಸ್ವರ್ಗದಲ್ಲಿ ಶುರುವಾದ ಎಫ್.ಎಂ ರೇಡಿಯೋ ವಾಹಿನಿಗಳು ಇಲ್ಲಿನ ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ನಯಾ ಪೈಸೆ ಬೆಲೆ ಕೊಡದೆ, ನಮ್ಮದಲ್ಲದ ಹಿಂದಿ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮ ನಡೆಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾಗ ಕನ್ನಡ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಆಗ್ರಹಿಸಿ, ಪ್ರತಿಭಟಿಸಿ ಇವತ್ತು ಎಲ್ಲ ಎಫ್.ಎಂ ವಾಹಿನಿಗಳು ಕನ್ನಡವನ್ನು ಅಪ್ಪಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವಂತೆ ಮಾಡುವಲ್ಲಿ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಪಾತ್ರವು ಮಹತ್ವದ್ದು. ಇಂದು, ಎಫ್.ಎಂ ವಾಹಿನಿಗಳ ಮೂಲಕ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನ ಮೂಲೆ ಮೂಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಕಂಪು ಹರಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದರೆ ಅದರ ಹಿಂದೆ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಪಾತ್ರವಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಮರೆಯಬಾರದು.
ಹುಬ್ಬಳ್ಳಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಕಳಸಾ ಬಂಡೂರಿ ಯೋಜನೆ ಅನುಷ್ಟಾನಕ್ಕೆ ಒತ್ತಾಯಿಸಿ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಸಂಘಟಿಸಿದ್ದ ಸಭೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಸೇರಿದ್ದು ಸುಮಾರು ೧೦ ಸಾವಿರ ಜನ. ಅಂದು ಮಾತಾಡಿದ ಹುಬ್ಬಳ್ಳಿ ಭಾಗದ ಪ್ರಭಾವಿಗಳು, ಏಕೀಕರಣ ಹೋರಾಟಗಾರರು ಆದ ಪಾಟೀಲ್ ಪುಟ್ಟಪ್ಪ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು” ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಅಂದ್ರೆ ಯಾವುದೋ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು ಮೂಲದ ಹೋರಾಟಗಾರರು, ಅವರಿಗೆ ಇಡೀ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಕನಸಾಗಲಿ, ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಹೋರಾಡೋ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯ ಆಗಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲ ಅನ್ಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದೆ, ಆದರೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಸೇರಿರುವ ಜನರು ನನ್ನ ಮಾತನ್ನು ಸುಳ್ಳಾಗಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಇವರ ಮೇಲೆ, ಇವರ ಹೋರಾಟದ ಮೇಲೆ ನನಗೆ ನಂಬಿಕೆ ಬಂದಿದೆ.” ಹೇಳಿ, ಹುಬ್ಬಳ್ಳಿ ಭಾಗದಲ್ಲಿ ಕಳಸಾ ಬಂಡೂರಿ ಯೋಜನೆ ಅನುಷ್ಟಾನದಿಂದ ಮೈಸೂರು, ಮಂಡ್ಯ ಭಾಗದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಒಕ್ಕಲಿಗರಿಗೆ ಹೇಗೆ ಉಪಯೋಗವಾದಿತು? ಹಾಗಿದ್ದಲ್ಲಿ, ಯಾವುದೇ vision ಇಲ್ಲದ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ರೌಡಿ ಜನರಿಗೆ ಹುಬ್ಬಳ್ಳಿಗೆ ಹೋಗಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೆಲ್ಲಾ ಒಂದೇ ಎಂದು ಹೋರಾಟ ಮಾಡೋಕೆ ಹುಚ್ಚಾ?
ಇಂತ ಉದಾಹರಣೆಗಳು ನೂರಿವೆ. ಜಾತಿಯ ಸೊಂಕಿಲ್ಲದೆ, ಕನ್ನಡವೇ ಜಾತಿ, ಕನ್ನಡವೇ ಧರ್ಮ ಎಂದು ಹೋರಾಟ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಾ ಬಂದಿರುವ ಕ.ರ.ವೇ ಅವರ ಬದ್ಧತೆಯನ್ನು ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಕೆಲವರು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ಹಾಸ್ಯಾಸ್ಪದ. ಕಣ್ಣ ಮುಂದೆ ಕೋಟಿ ಕೋಟಿ ನುಂಗಿ, ಮತ್ತೆ ಮತ್ತೆ ವಿಧಾನಸೌಧಕ್ಕೆ ಒಕ್ಕರಿಸಿ, ನಾಡು ನುಡಿಗಾಗಿ ನಯಾ ಪೈಸೆ ಕೆಲಸ ಮಾಡದ ಒಬ್ಬೆ ಒಬ್ಬ ರಾಜಕಾರಣಿಯನ್ನು ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸದ ನಾವು, ಪೊಲೀಸರಿಂದ ಲಾಠಿ ಏಟು ತಿಂದು, ಕೇಸ್ ಮೇಲೆ ಕೇಸ್ ಹಾಕಿಸಿಕೊಂಡು ನಾಡು-ನುಡಿಗಾಗಿ ಹೋರಾಡುವ ಈ ಧೀರರ ಬದ್ಧತೆಯನ್ನೇ ಪ್ರಶ್ನಿಸುವುದನ್ನು ಕಂಡಾಗ ಅನಿಸೋದು ” ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಿಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೇ ಮೊದಲ ಹಾಗೂ ಕೊನೆಯ ಶತ್ರು ಎಂದು” ..
Vinay,
You are travelling to Bengaluru once in every 3 months. I suggest you to work for any big MNCs (Infy/Wipro/TCS/IBM/Accenture) for just 2 months, and reality will hit you on the face.
I was with TCS for close to 2 years,, TCS could be best described as Tamil Consultancy Services… They had an entire ODC with 95% Tamilians in it in Bengaluru. Note, more than 50% of the jobs in these companies doesn’t even need a graduate degree, leave alone Engineering degree. And precisely this is where the foul play happens, They get hoards of campus recruits from TN, Andhra, Kerala, Orissa and where not…
These things are happening infront of our eyes dear. Please go to any software company in Bengaluru and find a HR manager head who is kannadiga, if you can find one, then you can shout ” Eurekha,, Eurekha .. I found one !! ”
Such is the condition of IT companies,, and you still are leaving in a fool’s paradise, where you think no descrimination is happening.. Please come out of your cocoon dude..
I have seen 2 tamilian managers going to Madurai/Coimbatore for Campus recruitment, where as equally good and qualifying colleges in Davanagere, Belagavi, dharwad are given cold shoulders..
You are out reach of realities.. bere enu beda sir,, onda sali,, 4-5 software companygaLalliruva
1> Kannadigaranna maatadisi,
2> Kannada da HR sigtaara anta nodi
3> Catering, house keeping, security, elladru kannada maatadi dakkasakolli..
nimage satya gottagutte,, ashtaada melu gottagilla andre,, I doubt your statement that you are a kannadiga.
Vinay,
You seem to be living in a dream world of your own. What Bellad,Sandhya and Dr.Reddy say is absolutely true. This phenomenon started with Wipro in early 80’s when the Wipro Mysore Factory manager used to do campus recruitment from ITI(Industrial Training Institute) in Tamilnadu for assembly jobs in Mysore. Were there no good ITI’s in Karnataka? The fact remains that any new IT company which starts in Bengaluru invariably has a non-kannadiga as its HR manager and the game starts from there. So do not be so naive and think all you see is hunky dory. They are not. As a test offer to teach your northie freinds kannada and insists they speak in kannada only with you and see their reaction.
Regards,
Mayura
Bellad:
Whenever I come to BLR, I speak to the housekeeping, catering, etc. etc. in kannada (not sure about Security). I speak to colleagues in English. I try to avoid going near HR managers :-), but when I am forced to, I speak in English.
Neevu kelsa maadiro companygalalliruva janara bagge gothilla – Nanu TCS jothe ondu ‘outsourcing contract’ iddaga avara team nodidini. Aa team nalli iro composition noodi:
Andhra: 2
Tamil: 3
Maharashtra: 1
Kannada: 2
Malyalam: 1
NRI kannada: 1
NRI Delhi/Punjab: 1
The above figures are completely accurate, and this was in the case of one of my projects, part of which we had outsourced to TCS.
neevu yava-yava IT company nodidiro gothilla,.. perhaps you have met some bigoted and partial HR managers, but please do not paint everyone with the same brush.
Maximum campus selections by IT companies, in the whole country, happen in Bangalore collges (not sure about Davangere, Dharwad, etc.). There are Karnataka Quota and other measures to help locals gain admission to these colleges. It is the Government’s job to promote rural schooling and high-quality education in small towns so that more students can compete on an equal footing to gain admission to such colleges. No point blaming IT companies.
vinay,
you were so lucky that you found 2+1 kannadigas in that figures…
I worked for 3 biggest MNCs so far and everywhere the condition is same.. I am not painting everyone with the same brush,, but am telling the truth thousands of kannadigas are experiencing in almost all companies..
nivu swalpa sariyaagi ee perspective itkondu mundina sali nodi,, satya gottagutte
Bellad:
O.K., next time I will observe more closely, as you have suggested. Maybe I have not been paying enough attention, but I very much doubt it. My work involves interaction with different IT companies, mainly in Bangalore, some abroad, and I haven’t got the slighest indication of any anti-kannada sentiment or any deliberate attempt to give preferential treatment to non-Kannadigas.
I will indeed try to observe this, and if I notice you are right, I shall stand humbly corrected.
Vinay,
I see a nice reversal of an adage in your comment. Look:
Andhra: 2
Tamil: 3
Maharashtra: 1
Kannada: 2
Malyalam: 1
NRI kannada: 1
NRI Delhi/Punjab: 1
Good attempt at statistics.
Maximum campus selections by IT companies, in the whole country, happen in Bangalore collges (not sure about Davangere, Dharwad, etc.).
Damned statistics.
There are Karnataka Quota and other measures to help locals gain admission to these colleges.
And lies (being illusioned upon the common unassuming creature in our society)!
My suggestion to you would be – quit your current job, and go try to get it back in your own company, or perhaps in one of those companies you’ve given statistics about. Then lets talk about it here. Whatsay? I am sure you can atleast imagine this, and you’ll heart will tell you the truth!!
@ Vinay:
In fact the reason why you dont see preferential treatment here is because you dont see that this:
Andhra: 2
Tamil: 3
Maharashtra: 1
Kannada: 2
Malyalam: 1
NRI kannada: 1
NRI Delhi/Punjab: 1
is the same as this:
Kannada:3
Non-Kannada: 8
Any of those you saw under a non-Kannada heading never spoke Kannada I guess. So in that way they all deserve to come under one common umbrella – such as the one above. So this way there’s a huge apparent preference given to people that arent from Karnataka.
Nijavaada:
You said: “Damned Statistics.. Good attempt at statistics.. ”
Try to disprove the statistics. It is well known that Bangalore colleges have the maximum campus placements in the country. Even a third-rung engineering college in Bangalore gets companies to conduct a recruitment process on campus. As for the better ones like MSRIT, RVCE, BMSIT, PESIT, etc. etc… well, the students there roam around with 2-3 job offers before they quit college (except for those colleges which have banned this practice).
You said: “And lies ….”
Eh? What was that? Do you know the rules and regulations of the K-CET for example, and the concept of karnataka domicile? Let me tell you, every engineering college in Karnataka under VTU, which organizes admissions through CET, needs to mandatorily reserve seats for Karnataka quota based on domicile. They do have ‘management/donation’ seats too, but nearly 50% of the admissions in the first year are *strictly* for the Karnataka quota candidates.
You said: “My suggestion… quit job.. get it back..”
Know what? Coincidentally, your suggestion comes at a highly opportune time. I am actually looking for a change at this moment. I will remain active on Churumuri during this job hunt, and you’ll certainly be kept posted. Lets see.
You said: “….Kannada – 3, NK – 8….”
See Nijavaada, English is the language of the IT industry, whether we like it or not. Of course none of the 8 spoke Kannada, but neither did any Kannadiga speak Malayalam or Telugu or…etc. You might put forth an argument that the company is located in Bangalore, so….. Point is, these IT companies do have offices in Calcutta/Mumbai/Gurgaon/etc.. also. And trust me, there is no preference to recruit Bengalis in Calcutta, Marathis in Mumbai, and so on. That is my point, and this is why I feel that the 8 NKs cannot be lumped under a common umbrella.
vinay,
when I worked in an MNC in bangalore, here is how it went. Initially there was 2 of us:
1 malayali manager
1 kannadiga – me
Eventually the thing we did took off the we needed more people. At the time I left, the composition was:
4 malayalis
2 telugu
2 kannadigas – including me
All people in the group were good and it was a decent team technically. The work we were doing wasnt anything great (like most normal Bangalore IT companies), and the composition could well have been different.
And yes the other kannadiga got in because I hired him (was fit for the job – but the HR sent in a flood of others to interview before I met a kannadiga).
I dont claim this as ‘statistics’. And manager was a great guy, talented, and could even speak some kannada after his years in Bangalore.
No one has a one-point agenda to hire someone from their own state etc.. But somehow magically, there seem to be more outsiders over time in Bangalore IT. Far too many than necessary. And in several groups and departments in almost all companies, once they reach a critical mass, they start making the local people feel like outsiders. And the Bangalore IT companies with their focus on labour arbitrage and ‘service’ mindedness, don’t care much about local culture or issues as long as they get their subsidized land, tax breaks and good atmosphere of Bangalore (though now they at least pay some lip-service to these issues after some incidents).
Just a theory based on personal experience.
Anonymous guy:
You said: “No one has a one-point agenda to hire someone from their own state etc.. ”
I agree 100% with you there. I personally feel that, in the IT sector, no one should have such an agenda. Bellad has mentioned above that he has encountered Tamil managers who went to Coimbatore to recruit students, even though there were other deserving candidates in karnataka colleges. If the mentioned manager did that with the agenda of recruiting Tamilians just because they were Tamilians, that manager needs to be condemned.
Here’s my take on this whole issue:
For India to truly progress and achieve Superpower status, we need to focus on merit, competency and capability, and no other factor(s) while recruiting. If it can be proved that a certain Tamilian gives preferential treatment to Tamilians for linguistic/regionalistic reasons, he should be fired. If a Kannadiga does the same, he should be fired too. I am opposed to preferential treatment of any kind. Merit and performance should be the sole criteria when it comes to employment.
You said: “But somehow magically, there seem to be more outsiders over time in Bangalore IT. ”
There are simply two reasons for this.
1) Companies have chosen to make Bangalore a hub for a variety of reasons, which leads to people from all over the country flocking to the city for employment. These people cannot be blamed for this phenomenon. All they are doing is seeking employment where it is available. Of course, it is extremely bad if such people taunt the local culture or make fun of the people based on linguistic or regionalistic grounds. Such people should be given a lesson in mutual respect and should be made to get rid of their superiority complex. BUT, and this is a big but, the condemnation should be on an individual level, without resorting to generalization. As I have mentioned earlier, I know several extremely decent ‘Northies’ and Tamilians. We are making life tough for the several decent outsiders out there by decrying everyone.
2) The demand for people in this IT industry is huge. As everyone knows, this is one of the largest growing sectors in our economy. Even though others have mentioned above that several jobs do not really need an ‘Engineering degree’, there are still several engineers required by these companies. Karnataka (or any Indian state for that matter) simply does not produce enough qualified graduates. It is just demand and supply, and graduates from other states, finding no jobs in their respective states, will certainly move to places where demand exists. Again, I reiterate: The Government needs to invest in education, especially primary education. This is the only meaningful way to alleviate the issue in the long run.
I guess these are the primary reasons for all these issues, and this is why, even though no one has a one-point agenda to hire someone from their own state..
Not a one-point agenda. But it sure figures high up there in the list of things to do.
Companies have chosen to make Bangalore a hub for a variety of reasons, which leads to people from all over the country flocking to the city for employment.
Cant this trend be reversed? Why only Bangalore. If the people are so numerous and talented elsewhere, they should be making Bangalore’s happen wherever they are.
Not migrating en masse to Bangalore in search of IT jobs.
Forgive my narrow-mindedness – but I have seen enough over the years to be writing this.
ri Vinay avare
naavenu beppautakkadigala?? eenuannkondidira?
It is very clear in your stastics what’s happening in Bengaluuru.
Why cant you see that?
All most all famous It companies have their head offices in Benagluuru. and what is the percentage of the Kannadigas?
I had a neighbour Bihari who would scream on the phone in the middle of night or very early morning as if his voice reaches Bihar!!
There is (well, there are many) a northie woman very close to our home who mistreats vegetable vendor, ironappa very badly. She does n’t hand money to the person. She just throws.!! Very very good culture.
Infosys: Is it a real estate venture to acquire 2000 acres at a very very nominal price from the government (land of farmers??) Wipro has how many acres?
Canteen jobs biddingu?
As if people from our state are not capable of biddingu!!
Stop calling them Ka Ra Ve hooligans!! They are NOT.
Nimma Infosys devuru. Houdappa devuru.
@AG
en masse migration to bengaluuru.
Becoz we accept their ways easily and allow them to prosper at our cost!!
you go to Chennai or Hyderbad, you should have some sort of connection to that land to prosper. In Bengaluuru, every tom, dick and Harry from outside can mint money and be in a respectable position.
By the way, why Karnataka does not demand for 2 or 3 IITs?
Some politics of the donation colleges?
Exception is just an exception.
@AG
I think out side people in Bengaluuru are getting jobs and climbing the social ladders fast, not because of merit. I think just connection and information.
I have seen peddaru and peddaru only in many places!!
@ Vinay
Your claims of knowing a ” lot” about Bengaluuru bocoz you and your family tree has houses and you studied, therefore you know better.
Wow, I am impressed!!
By the way, what Sandhya, Bellad, Mayura, AG and myself are saying comes without any experiences????!!!
All your beautiful layoutusuu in Bengaluuru were 25 or more years ago were agricultural fields. My own relatives in Agara, Madivaala, Varthur, Kaikondranahalli, marathhalli and many many such places were tilling the lands to grow rice , raagi or cash crops!!
I hav eaten vegetables grown in those areas almost everyday(Thanks, some of my relatives, I have eaten fresh and fresh vegetables only). So, I know better than you!. :)
Belive me.
Dr. Sree Reddy:
Some of the points mentioned by you are rather amusing. Allow me to point out why:
Your neighbour Bihari: Tell me, do you have a problem because he shouts (causing disturbance), or because he shouts in Bihari?? It seems to me that the latter is true!! I guess you would be ok if he shouts in Kannada. What if I were to tell you that next to my Grandfather’s house, there is a Kannadiga family who creates a scene every other day with their fighting and screaming in their family quarrels?
Mistreatment of labour: I have already mentioned above that I know that this happens, but please remember that these people do not do it due to a language or regionalistic bias. They are like that even to their servants in Delhi or Patna. And again, there are several who are not rude. And then again, I know Kannadigas, especially contractors, who ill-treat labourers, especially Tamilian labourers. A poor Tamilian family has been working in my grandparents place, staying in the servants quarters for more than 15 years now, the man being a labourer and the woman being the housemaid. During the Rajkumar kidnapping incident, this man was badly beaten up by some KRV guys near hanumanthnagar. He knew Kannada, and has been staying here for more than 15 years. What was his fault? That his name showed that he was Tamilian? If this is not hooliganism, what is it??
Canteen jobs: Do you know for a fact that there was bidding done by some ‘kannada canteen owners’, and they were turned down despite offering a good deal? Not at all. They were not the best bidders. Someone else was able to provide a better deal, and hence got the contract.
IITs: You want *2-3* IITs in Karnataka? You’re kidding right? There are 7 IITs in the *COUNTRY*, and you want 2-3 in Karnataka now. Anyway, thats not the joke here. The joke is that you think having IITs here will somehow do wonders to get kannadigas an IIT degree. I am not sure how much you know about the technical education or engineering field, considering that you prefix your name with ‘Dr.’ (and I assume it is an ‘MBBS-Dr’, and not a Phd. in some technology). Allow me to enlighten you.
IITs provide admissions through the JEE, open to all Indians, and based on the stream, and the IIT the student wishes to join, any student can join any IIT in the country, irrespective of where he hails from, or where he wrote the JEE. On the other hand, these private and aided colleges in Karnataka, which take students through K-CET, provide a great opportunity for students in Karnataka to gain admissions. If you get a chance to visit an IIT, you will see that there are resident students there, and it is an ‘island’ of a kind. Do not mislead yourself into thinking that IIT Kharagpur has mainly Bengalis, or IIT Kanpur has UP-ites. You are just wrong there.
Vinay,
Read this mind opening writeup:
India is fine idea, but with a lot of implementation flaws:
http://karnatique.blogspot.com/2008/02/india-fine-idea-with-implementation.html
Bellad:
I went through the writeup. I have seen several similar ones earlier. And I agree 100% with the gist of such write-ups. So what is the solution? I agree with the views of some of the follow-up commentators, that English is the solution, and I have been advocating this view for some time now.
I know that there will be some jingoistic voices screaming that English is tantamount to honouring our ‘colonial past’, etc. etc. In my opinion, English is the way to go, and it can act as a common bridge to really unite the country.
It is sad but true that we did not have the industrial revolution in India. It happened in Europe and this is the reason they were able to dominate and colonize 80% of the world for such a long time. And post WW-II, the US has been the leader in almost all scientific innovation and research. It is because of these reasons that English has become the de-facto language for the modern age.
We, as Indians need to accept this. The sooner we do so, the better. Hindi fanatics need to realize that the sooner they implement compulsory English education in their states (Bihar, UP, …), the better for them. And for Karnataka, people like Horatti should understand that they are not doing anyone a favour by discouraging English teaching.
vinay,
English helped Europe colonize 80% of the world? The British spoke english from the start, and the spread their language in their colonies – AFTER they started dominating half the world. And anyway France, Portugal, Russia also colonized large swathes, they didnt change over to English, did they?
The US dominates the world, yes, and they happen to speak English. However Russia, China and Europe (besides Britian – its their mother tongue!), continue to speak their own languages and do well.
Why even Japan and Korea, who would make the best role model for us are doing well using their own languages.
Speaking English will help us move into menial jobs in the global economy. In fact that has already happened – we run call centres and low end IT outsourcing centers. Good for us, but is that the only thing we want in the long run?
On the other hand, several African countries have adopted the language of their colonial masters wholesale. English or French. What good has it done them? They have gone backwards in all ways compared to what they were before being colonized. Is this the model we want to follow?
Learning English as a language and using it is good, no one can deny its power in education especially in a country like ours. But if our better-off friends in Asia like the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and the others can progress from where we were to far beyond where we are, using English only when necessary (trade, terms in science etc.), it is blindness to think that teaching some english to lots of people will take us forward and make us leaders in innovation, research blah blah.
I dont have anything against teaching any new language – it is a great and needed thing, but trying to argue that moving away from our mother tongue and adopting some other language will somehow magically put us on the road to progress sounds dishonest.
It is our collective will power which will help us improve ourselves. And that sense of identity and collective conciousness can happen among the public only if we have a deep sense of patriotism and identity. Why would I want to improve things for my children and people around me if they dont even speak the language I do or share my culture? Even in America, as you may know, to be a good citizen you have to demonstrate the thing called ‘being American’ and patriotic and identifying with the American way of life.
Others outside our country might want us to be their labour sources and menial, they dont care beyond that about us. Learning their language should be on our terms not theirs. And ignoring our language and taking on someone else’s will only make us unwanted step-children, with no identity of our own and no respect from others.
Maybe english has helped you be what you are today. But if you didnt know english, and the system in our state/country allowed us to progress in our mother tongue and had a system for this, maybe you would have done much more for your country and had even more sense of achievement?
Vinay:
The point you must get clarity on here is that there is no discouragement as such to English teaching, and it is infact a discouragement of encouraging English education, that too as a medium, and not as a language.
I am sure you’d find it a good exercise to continue thinking on these lines, and if you did everything right, you’d end up thinking that a sound knowledge of specialist topics, and a good knowledge of English language would be a better alternate route to the goal you’re referring to..
While the role of English in the international scene is not ignorable in the given situation it shall be stupidity thinking English is the most unavoidable thing to lead a good life, and that good education in Kannada is not possible and isn’t equipped enough to challenge this competition.
The underlying fact beneath all these argument is the fact that we (kannadigas) can only be the people who make this dream a reality, and make premium education in Kannada a reality. One day you would be talking about a premier instt. that teaches advances engineering/medical courses in Kannada and imagine the pride you’ll derive out of that as opposed to talking about an IIT with such reverence! But who knows that proud place could as well be a new IIT in Karnataka too :)
AG & Nijavaada:
The only point I’m trying to make is that English is well suited to be the ‘common language’ of India. Hindi is unacceptable to several people, Kannada, Marathi, Bengali, etc.. are spoken in only certain regions of the country. So, all I’m saying is that English is perhaps the best choice, since no state in India can claim to ‘own’ the language.
You might ask, what is the need to have a ‘common language’ in the first place? Consider for a moment, the plight of a Central Government Employee who is transferred once every three years. Consider the plight of a trader who needs to travel across the country in Indian Railways.. Several such examples can be provided.
Yes, I get your point about France, Japan, Germany etc.. But the de facto International language seems to have been accepted to be English, albeit unofficially. The TGV in France has announcements in French and English. The S-Bahn underground train system in German cities has announcements in English in addition to Deutsch in all important sectors. Same with Lufthansa.. in fact, the language of international aviation is English. Chinese pilots received a lot of flak sometime back for their broken English. Why has English gained such stature.. not sure, perhaps coz’ of US dominance over all things technical in the past 60 years.
I did *not* say that we should move away from our mother tongue and adopt English. That is practically impossible. Let each state’s residents learn their mother tongue, no problems with that. But let there be compulsory English education in *addition* to the state language. Over time, we’ll see that we have a huge English speaking mass throughout the country. And each state can certainly promote its own language. For example, I am all for having signboards in Kannada AND English in Bangalore. But I hate the talk on having *only* Kannada boards. The KRV should stop defacing English signboards. Let them put up corresponding Kannada boards alongside, I will fully support them.
And finally, regarding other countries wanting us to be their labor sources.. I am personally not impressed with the kind of work that a majority of our home-grown IT companies do. While I do appreciate and respect our companies for the employment they have generated and the beginnings they have ushered in, given a choice, I would work in Google instead of Infosys, CRAY instead of Wipro, etc. etc.. But that is a different topic for discussion altogether (product companies, etc. etc.).
Well said Anonymous and Nijavaada !!
Remember those who can’t learn lessons from history can’t create history either !!
A few things.
Why do we really need such a big central government, that its bureaucrats convenience becomes a national issue? Most central government employees can be drawn from local places, and only the basic numbers required for cross-functioning could have transfers. It is good for the employee, good for the government and for the public at large. And reducing the central government to minimal numbers is probably one of the best things that can happen to our country. A strong local government with minimal interference and blame-game from the centre is probably the solution to dismantling our harmful bureaucratic framework.
And about the examples you gave about the rail and lufthansa in Germany/france, chinese pilots etc., these are such minor things. Germany’s lingua franca is German and so on. Their education is in their mother-tongue, they think in their mother tongue, they execute in their mother tongue. Adding some fluff like english signs and announcements to keep the tourists happy is just a sign of how confident these people are about their own language. First they made sure their language is rooted and only after that they welcome english.
Similarly the way China/Japan/Korea is now encouraging its citizens to learn English. As the next step after they have deep confidence in that their mother tongues and local culture has been rooted deeply in all aspects of life.
vinay,
I can understand your sadness at the way things have taken an ugly turn in our city and our state. We all feel the same here. Some of us even seem to think that hating and blaming people of other languages and religions will solve our problems. Your posts are well-intentioned and I feel you are 100% a patriot and good citizen.
But on the matter of turning outwards towards english or even outwards of our state as the path for progress is something I cannot agree on.
Mostly the people of India are hard working, peace loving and very progressive. And all of us have strong local cultures which we can build on as a rallying point to propel ourselves forward in our quest to be a first world nation. It is just a matter of igniting the right thoughts in our minds and giving the right direction to claim our rightful place in the world. It might take a couple of generations for the effects to be seen, but once it happens, there will be no stopping it. Dr. Kalam’s work on working with younger people is an example of such a process whose effect we will see only in the coming years.
In fact all this already seems to be happening – only in a chaotic manner and in some ways setback by the inert political/bureaucratic system. And by forces outside our state and nation who probably arent so keen on seeing us prosper.
We dont need english or even a forced and fake north indian identity to get it all right. We can make peace with others after we have made peace for people of our own language, culture and state. Same goes for any of the states in India.
@Vinay
Are you amused!
>IITs provide admissions through the JEE, open to all Indians, and based on the stream, and the IIT the student wishes to join, any student can join any IIT in the country, irrespective of where he hails from, or where he wrote the JEE. On the other hand, these private and aided colleges in Karnataka, which take students through K-CET, provide a great opportunity for students in Karnataka to gain admissions. If you get a chance to visit an IIT, you will see that there are resident students there, and it is an ‘island’ of a kind. Do not mislead yourself into thinking that IIT Kharagpur has mainly Bengalis, or IIT Kanpur has UP-ites. You are just wrong there.<
Thanks for enlightening me.
How will you account for the presence of more Bengalis or people from UP/Bihar, Delhi in those IITs even though it is suppose to be thru JEE?
It is same with Civil Services. It is supposed to be an all india exam, but people from Bihar and UP are more in numbers.
IITs are pampered and funded very well to buy equipments etc.
Bringing IITs to Karanataka will benefit Karnataka in many ways. If there is a physical presence of an institute in fron of your eyes, you tend to think about it. Sending their children to distant places needs money or some kind of social support. Not all Kannadigas can affford. Ofcourse those who are wealthy or well placed in society can send. If IITs are close be, many Kannadigas will start compteting in JEE and more and more Kannadigas can join.
Some mail you had said, 55000 people working for Infosys are paying taxes. Everybody is paying their taxes proprtion to their wealth. Please remember this.
Dont think you guys are the only onee who are paying taxes.
Now I have concluded that you are not a Kannadiga.
You are just masquerading as a Kannadiga here.
@ Vinay
>Your neighbour Bihari: Tell me, do you have a problem because he shouts (causing disturbance), or because he shouts in Bihari?? It seems to me that the latter is true!! I guess you would be ok if he shouts in Kannada. What if I were to tell you that next to my Grandfather’s house, there is a Kannadiga family who creates a scene every other day with their fighting and screaming in their family quarrels? <
It is your misinterpretation. People dont scream on their phones in the mid of night or wee hours. This Bihari wass on rent in the neighbouring first floor house. His bihari friends used to come and keep honking the bikes till the guy came down. People dont keep honking.
I think all ppl here on discussion are trying to target on one thing.. that is how do we get the right place for karnataka n kannada? Vinay is trying to put across points to prove that the suitiation in BengaLuru for kannadigas is not as bad as everyone is claiming it to be… Whatever be the observation of any one, it cannot be ignored that there is a real threat for kannada and culture of this place… since this topic is all about big FM using a slang in kannada for a program, I wud like to tell u all abt a program they had aired recently.. they had some thin like: soukhya mantri chandru, which was intended to make fun of “mukhya mantri” chandru for his pro-kannada activities. This channel has no right to do that. They are making their money cos of kannada crowd… I wonder why karave did nothin about it.. well, in that way, they (big FM) got what they deserved… the rj’s of this channel use only english wit few kannada words n r tryin to claim tht it’s cool…. some one should teach them a lesson
n Mr.Vinay,
wit all respect to ur idea, wud just like to add… I hav seen bihari ppl just shouting every where.. even if u go to a small canteen, u ll find a bihari sayin “i’m a bihari” before sayin anythin else.. usually a loud laugh follows.. it’s disgusting… probably no one taught them manners.
n regarding the northie colleague who claimed tht bengaLuru has improved only cos of northies: I answered him properly.. i told him tht he has come to earn his bread here, he needs bangalore n not the other way round.. if he claims tht his place is better than bengaLuru, then why shud he hv come here at all.. his place does not have any employment to offer to him for his education, so he had to come here.. I told him tht no one ever invited u to come to bengaLuru.. pls go back to ur place n try “improving” tht place.
Sandhya & Others:
Right, the original discussion was related to big FM and their use of ‘Bendetthu Bengaluru’. The discussion has veered off-topic. Moreover this thread has grown rather large. I guess other topics are best discussed in other relevant threads. Be that as it may, I don’t think it was right to thrash the RJ – after all, the FM guys did not slander the people or say anything overtly offensive/provocative..
I rest my case. Other threads are more relevant for any further discussions.
Was the RJ thrashed? Was he thrashed by KRV people? Did he behave in an insensitive way to local culture be cool with his target audience? Are we discussing a one-off thing, or a more general issue of which the obnoxiousness of the RJs, the thrashing they got etc. is a side-effect?
We are all free to interpret it as we want…
Sandhyakka,
I was intrigued by a statement of yours’ there is a real threat for kannada and culture of this place…’ What is this culture you speak of- that of Bindu Madhava Raya, K S Narasimhaswamy and K S Ashwath- That was killed a long time ago by us Kannadigas. Are you talking of the culture of MTR and Vidyarthi Bhavan- that is not at all under threat. The culture of Moggina Jede and picnic in Lalbagh- it still exists, the culture of Nandana and Brindavana on Vividhbharati- I dont know if it is still there. The culture of Kannada cinema today- God should it exist !
Whilst the outsider threat is indeed to be tackled what about the insider who doesnt give a damn and talks of culture!!!I’d be grateful for any enlightenment .
I had written very very long mail. Only half of it is published here.
@Vinay
You said KRV thrashed a Tamilian man near your grand parents house.
Could you kindly furnish more details of the same?
Loaction, and the date of incident is sufficient. I will enquire from the head of the KRV. If they have done such things they must apologise to that Tamilian man or anyone. If someone else has done such things and I think they should be taught lessons not to take names and misbehave.
Back in 1980’s when my elder sister use to go to a college, some students from Mt Carmel college had bunked their classes and went to watch a movie. They were creating ruckus in the cinema hall. My sis who was sitting next to them, couldn’t watch the movie. She told them to be quiet. But they did not heed. Finally she asked them which college are thye from? Then they told my sister’s college name and her class. She was shocked as she had never seen them in her class. They continued to create the din. Many people went and complained to the manager. When he came, then also they did not stop. He had to call the police. When police asked them to show ID cards, it was revealed that they were from Mt Carmel and not from my sis’s college. And those girls from Mt carmel said they did not want to “damage the reputation” of their college!!
Are you sure they are KRV people? or somebody posing as KRV?
gaby,
That is a rather narrow minded view of culture. Hamsalekha and Ravichandran are as much a part of our culture as the others you speak of. Maybe being exposed to a particular set of things and then being transplanted abroad makes you yearn for something which has gone by (but still remains as a part of us – what do you call them memes?). There is nothing greater or lesser when it comes to the changing trends and tastes. What is gone today may come back tomorrow. What you cherish will definitely make a come-back given time and if our culture is strengthened against threats from outside. The arts are slowly seeing an upsurge in Karnataka again (by that I mean theatre and music). If things go well, this will also start becoming evident in movies and even literature. There are cycles in how things go, there will always be an up after a down. The important thing is to protect whatever we have and not give it up because things no longer measure up to our ‘standards’. If we start adopt things from outside it is fine too, but not replace whatever we have blindly due to pressure from outside influences.
What do you think?
AG I was responding to one statement made by Sandhaykka that bemoaned the ‘ threat to culture’ posed by the outsider. I wondered what her ‘ culture’ was- I realise it was a very narrow focus and a shallow sentiment I used. My point was that culture is a dynamic thing and just blaming the outsider was a symptom of paranoia. I have no doubt that we need to maintain things we cherish but should we like you advocate hang on to things even when they do not measure up to ‘ standards’- K S narasimhaswamy belongs to the first and Ravichandran ( and indeed most of current Kannada Cinema) belong to the second variety of things.
Finally as another outsider- a Gujarathi :) said “I do not want my house to be walled in on sides and my windows to be stuffed. I want the cultures of all the lands to be blown about my house as freely as possible. But I refuse to be blown off my feet by any.”
Why do we always blame outsider for every sin. Do they not dress, eat, walk, play and celebrate festival the way we do. Are they not Indian. Whom should I care for more, my family, my caste, my religion, my state, my country , my world….should I not care for my countrymen..why should there be any differentiation between people from other state and people from my own state…I have full freedom to choose whom should I care the most.
Nammanna ee localitynalli kondiddaarey…
to the left we have Marathis who have rented out the house to Marathis – an industry in a residential area. The witch who owns the house has made it impossible collaborating with the Marwari people around for our girls to walk across the street in peace. watch out the videos how they behave…Her grandson takes off the silencer from his car and drives it around to annoy us. The Marwari jains would bring in live bands at any time and once even called the Commissioner as guest! Their power politics went out of hand and we had to go to human rights. She began harassing my daughter with lewd remarks and my daughter got the guts to retort…but the way the loafers stand and stare at her and the fact that the witch Marathi owner bribed the BBMP workers’ son to come and shout at us in our house , drunk was the worst. They bred 22 cats and would throw excreta and non veg into our house.
Witch bribes BBMP worker :
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3wm6mdTdpo
Evidence BBMP workers son came drunk and shouted at us:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=ADZOHgQ6O5c
The rental to industrial people who r goondaas [block our entrance many times with trucks]:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=QfbabeMxNNY
The Industrial people who smoke to our face when we get out:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=pzKhevUn03M
The industrial people who make noise and litter:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=OUJ_SdA9xx8
Witchs son has car without silencer:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Xp1tmsqOQ
Witchs son breeds cats and they throw excreta into our house:[Witchs daughter beats cats and when they scream witch screams asking them to shut up-they have told everyone it is praani daya]
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=6R3eCsCzoU4
The Marwari who can influence even the Commissioner and any politician creates religious mayhem at will:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=UPY0YlN6xlA
Jai karnataka maatey — your children will be phased out!!!
Liquor, dance, live band and Jnanapeeth awardee
Why is it that that a noted artiste Girish Karnad, that too a Jnapapeeth awardee, is supporting live band culture in Bangalore. In news papers Girish Karnad was quoted as saying, “You can listen to recorded music, and you cannot listen to live music is something which is not understandable. How can the police say that listening to music in a club and having a drink lead to crime. This has nothing to do with the live band. The attitude of the police should be questioned here.”
Live music performances including karaokes have been banned in the city as opening the pubs late night will lead to increse in crime and accidents during night. Meanwhile, the police insist that they are just following the Karnataka Excise licence rule which does not permit gambling, get-togethers, dancing or any live band performances in places serving liquor.
It is unfortunate that respected and senior and sensible citizen like Girish Karnad who is held in high esteem by the intelligentia , instead of adivsing the youth to indulge in reading good books and participate in activities like culture and drama and not wasting their time in night clubs, is supporting the cause of the pub culture drawing ire of parents who are worried about the deteriorating moral standards and values of life.
When the crime level in the ‘Silicon Valley of India’ is increasing by leaps and bounds despite such strict ban on the night clubs opening even after 11.30 pm, if the authorities yield to the ‘pressure’ created by people like Girish Karnad, then god save Bangalore and the future of our youth.
The blatant cry that Karnataka is for Kannada is baseless. Every state is facing the same situation that Karnataka is facing. Karnataka is the land of Tulava Bunts, Kodagu people and also many more people. So represent their feelings also. Other wise you are not fair to Tulu and other languages.
See, the problem with less Kannadigas in various profession is due to the fact that their population is lesser than malayalees and far lesser than Telugus or Tamilians. So these people get oppurtunities. Many migrants dont speak the regional language. Is it a big issue. Dont support SRV and hate Brahmins.
Bendettu is a shudhdha kannada shabda kanri! Bendu andre = sponge/thermocool anta artha. Bendeththu andre kobbu ilisu anta aagutte. I suspect there are other meaning to Bend in halegannada could be body part likely ear. We need to verify.
Indians are meant to be rulled by others. They can not survive by themselves or else they’ll keep fighting among themselves like Dr Sree reddy, Sandhya and Vinay were doing in this thread.