Four days to go, and there is still no clarity on which way the trust-vote will go. At least not on TV. The 9’ o clock news contradicts the 8 pm prime, which will no doubt be smothered by business breakfast.
“Close call…” “Touch and go…”, “Nosing ahead…”
The race course terminology has an eerie echo with the horse-trading that is supposedly taking place. And with the stable owners cracking the “whip” on the mute but not necessarily dumb animals, the comparison is complete.
But here’s a counterfactual question: what would the fate of the Indo-US nuclear deal have been if individual Members of Parliament were allowed to vote as guided by their conscience—not as their parties are dictating, warning, bullying, threatening them to?
Would all Congress MPs have been voting for the deal?
Would all the BJP and Left members have been against it?
Would the government led by a man from the “House of States” have earned the trust and faith of 272 representatives from the “House of the People” to go ahead?
These are hypothetical questions, of course, but there are some cheap thrills to be had in imagining the possibilities. Because, barely a fortnight ago, the nuclear debate was about transparency, about technology, about “national interest”.
But as we approach the middle of the nuclear end-game—or the end of the nuclear middle-game, depending on whether you are buyer, seller or broker—it is plainly obvious that it is no longer about any of that.
It’s about ego, survival, self-interest and an iota of ideology.
Which is why wondering how our MPs would have voted if they were free to vote as they wished—or as “We, the People” would wish them—becomes interesting in the context of a deal that is supposed to provide our bijli and through it our sadak, roti and broadband.
At his meeting with editors in Delhi on Wednesday, according to one TV channel, prime minister Manmohan Singh is supposed to have hinted that all was not well within the BJP camp; that there were dissonant voices within the BJP camp.
And on Thursday, Rahul Gandhi gave the rumour some more oxygen in Amethi. “Every right thinking person favours it. Every youngster is clear about its advantages. This includes young politicians in the BJP and other parties, too. They are 100 per cent for it.”
A subedar-major of the BJP’s shouting brigade popped up on the channel in question to deny the claim. “I know how your first story [on Manmohan making a similar claim] was withdrawn. Do not make me say things on live TV,” he thundered and shut up the young things.
Maybe the PM and the late PM’s son are foolishly presuming that all their partymen are behind the deal. Maybe they are doing some kite-flying about their rivals, to sow some seeds of doubt. Maybe, Rahul baba is only positioning himself by bestowing greater wisdom in younger MPs.
Maybe they are nervous, scared.
But it’s scary to imagine that in a supposedly mature democracy of 61 years, all members of Parliament have the same thoughts and opinions on the deal as that of their parties—for or against, and not a parliamentarian in between!
Scarier that anybody should say that a couple of them might have their own minds.
Scarier still that somebody should deny any such a possibility.
During the entire nuclear drama, the Left has tried to insinuate that the prime minister, somehow does not have the legitimacy to push through the nuclear deal because he doesn’t have an electoral base.
Can a prime minister who is only a Rajya Sabha member, and not an elected member of the Lok Sabha, they ask, really override the opposition of the people to the deal?
But are the people necessarily opposed to the deal because the parties are? Did we vote for the party or the candidate in our constituencies? Has the time come re-examine the legitimacy of the “whip”—an archaic, anti-democratic, colonial legacy?
Merely because the parties issue a “whip” to our representatives that they should vote for or against the deal or face disqualification if they violate it, will what happens in the Lok Sabha on Tuesday really reflect the voice of the people?
So, what if there were no whips? Would Manmohan have sailed through, or would he have got burnt?
Deal or no deal?
The piece also appears on rediff.com
Also read: Should the PM always be from Lok Sabha?
Good one Churumuri
Brilliant columnist Swapan Dasgupta has written a column on similiar lines.It too makes a great reading.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/16guest3.htm
Our MP’s will not know which button to press!
As you have proved before, we know that your heart is with the Congress and the crown prince. Nice idealistic piece, but when did any politician live by ideal?
Thank god for whips. Otherwise many of our esteemed netas would have an unclear lead on the nuclear deal.
Good try at acting naive, Churumuri, which you are not by a long way!
Leave aside whips, do you really think that our MPs will ‘think’, ‘deliberate’ and ‘act as their conscience dictates’ on any issue of ‘national interest’? They just go according to the incentives offered- be it Cabinet posts or LS election tickets or satisfying the vested interests of corporate houses. It’s a game of poker (more than 20/20), perhaps you could ask Shane Warne to write a guest post!
You raise an excellent question.
More than 200 years back Edmund Burke, the Irish conservative, had made a case that the whip is not antithetical to libertarian democracy.
The whip prevents the legislature from descending into chaos. The whip helps the smooth conduct of parliamentary democracy.
India’s problem is that MPs are often uneducated, even illiterate. So “cracking the whip” can cultivate a herd mentality.
The whip is only one of the ways to ensure order in a republican democracy, another being the rules of procedure. Even after the Revolution, the Americans did not see merit in discarding the notion of a whip. In U.S. legislatures, the party whip wins votes for the party by persuading members with legislative information. It is a transparent process. In England the chief whip of the House of Commons is an individual of great authority. He guides the smooth conduct of parliamentary democracy. In many Commonwealth democracies such as Australia’s, there are separate government and opposition whips, but the government whip is invariably the more active.
You have indeed raised some interesting and needed questions. This is the time for all of us to think about the state of democracy in India.
India is facing a very serious energy crisis and we need to solve it. By no stretch of the imagination nuclear energy will solve our energy crisis. But it definitely can contribute a great deal. Despite all the brave words about our nuclear technology expertise a cursory glance at our performance shows how miserably have failed so far. It is only this nuclear deal which has brought out the true reasons.
Those former Nuclear establishment officials are opposing the deal. If they thought that we need not depend on outside technology why did they fail to increase our target of constructing just 10000 MW of nuclear power plants repeatedly first by 2000 and then now by 2010.
Are our MPs capable of understanding the dimension of energy crisis leave alone comprehending the intricacies of nuclear deal? None of the parties are concerned about the true merits of the deal. In fact if BJP was in power and were supporting this very nuclear deal, the congress party and Rahul Gandhi would have voted against it in the name of upholding the principles of “secularism” and ignored the national interest and energy crisis.
We have a long way to go before we become a truly democratic country and reflect the interests of the voters.
gowdru back with a bang, matte form ge bandru , eega boudary ,sixer ashte. deve gowda’s stock in national politics is in the upswing before trust vote. hope he bargains for pro-kannada demands with UPA.
Speaking of whips,
Kramer’s take on its origins..
“Well, you know in the old days, when the senators didn’t vote the way
that the party leaders wanted ’em to… they whipped them. You better vote the way we want you to, or there’s gonna be big trouble.”
I wish the supreme court can for the sake of entertainment can grant the politicians absolute immunity during these vote dealings, so that they can bid/make deals in the open. That would be the ultimate in reality TV. Watching TV would be so much fun…
My feeling is not having whips would lead to a lot more horse trading and no holds barred display of money power during such trust votes. As it is a lot of money and promises are given in exchange for MPs’ votes. But it is restricted to independents and smaller parties as MPs from bigger parties are bound by the whip and cannot easily vote as per their choice. However if the whip were removed, each and every one of the MPs would be approached to solicit their vote.
dr ramesh
that is not dr. ramesh at all!!!
somebody who is missing him masquerading as him. i know who. :)
dr ramesh
namaskara doctre. gowdru adhikaaradhalli idhru sudhine,illadhidru sudhine.
telugu janarige namma rajyavanna Othe iTTiruva E bjp nayakarige namma gowDre buddhi kalisabeku.
Actually as whips go. there are 3 used in the British Parliament – one-line; two-line and three-line.
Single line tells them the party position but it is non-binding for attendance or voting. Two line is partly binding for voting, and attendance is required but no sanctions. Three line is binding for both attendance and voting latter in a particular way and there is serious punishment for not adhering to instruction.
I am unclear if the Indian Parliament has retained the “colonial tradition” in entirety or modified it in any way.
Even so, in a functioning democracy, whips may routinely be ignored. MPs also vote in line with “conscientious objection”. Of course, the “conscientious” bit here is important and perhaps should be examined in as much detail as the concept of a “whip”.
PS: The US also uses a “whip” system. Since nearly all countries that use it are erstwhile colonies, perhaps it is safe to say that nobody has bothered to make any earth-shattering innovations in political governance and operational excellence! It may be time to discuss it – what are the alternatives on offer?
MP’s don’t have conscience . they keep the so-called conscience once they are elected to the Parliament in the house and they don’t take it to the House. Hence they are safe. The carrot and the stick policy always guides them. The H(I)gh command directs them and they follow automatically. No need of pressing the button.
TS,
I agree it was no Doc The Dentist Ramesh!
KeepQuiet!
I think you are ready for promotion as Dr. Ramesh II. Look forward to reading more from you:)
Coming whips, these MPs need to be whipped mercilessly with long sticks! :)
By far the best discussion of the issue. Let us give each member of Parilament a test on basic issues involved in harnessing nuclear power. And another test containing questions about the population of the country, the number of states in it, and so on. The vote of confidence come later, after the results of the tests are published, identifying each member and his responses.
Of course, this is a pipe dream. The vote is less than 48 hours away. Our robber barons have been busy in New Delhi for the past forty-eight days. Suitcases filled with money will be traveling to different parts of the country instead of the other way. That is a change.
Let the vote of confidence come later.
What else –there would be invalid votes. According to reports there are three MPs who are hospitalised right now, but if the above were to happen, there would be dozens and dozens reporting sick and acting like invalids themselves. And that would be true to their conscience mind you–playing safe.
Good to hear from you, Hosabelaku. The country has run on invalid votes, on the part of the electors as well as the legislators. for a long time.
Look at Gowda. He has no bones about tradiing his two votes for personal favours despite his bellyaching about the alleged betrayal of him by both the Congress and the BJP.
Somehow I missed Dr. Ramesh’s post. I wonder why he was silent all these days, unless of course, he has other pseudonyms.
The doctor’s reappearance has caused me to remind myself of my ancient fantasy: Devegowda as Rashtrapathi, HDK as Prime Minister, and Revu as Chief Minister of Karnataka. Just how long do we have to wait?
TS, keep your tarle to yourself. There can only be one Dr. R. Enantheeri Ramesappa?
Pulikeshi the Last
The scenario you are assuming is far better than janardhan reddy as prime minister,karunakara reddy as president and somashekara reddy as chief minister of karnataka.
Not to forget sidha as finance minster.
sumkirla-
Would it have been ok if their names were janardhan gowda, karunakara gowda and someshekara gowda?
and what is this siddhu fixation?
VP–
It is far better to be robbed by Kannadigas than by those for whom Kannada is a second language. There should be a constitutional amendment to deport all Telugu elective officials to Telugu Desam. Exceptions will be granted only in cases of the Congress Telugu speaking officials. Once upon a time, we had K. C. Reddy as our chief minister. Now the mines Reddies. Eththana maamara, eththana kogile?
Devegowda santhathi is the best hope we have. I don’t know much about Kumaraswamy or Revanna’s offspring, but it is good news they have some and our hopes of being ruled by the family forever, nationally and at the state level, are green.
Who is Siddharaamayya? What do we have to fear from him? Is he not like Ambareesh, not showing up for anything?
We are straying. Let us get back to the national political scene. Who but a genius like Gowda would get Singh to agree that for two votes of support, JDS should get about twenty in the next elections?
JDS forever.
Vitlan Potli,
No i am not against reddy’s.I am against andhra born telegu reddy’s.Namma karnatakadha reddygaLigu andhradha reddygaLigu vyatasa idhe.
Infact there is huge group of reddy’s who talk only kannada.avarige nanna bembala idhe.
Looks like Dr Ramesh, The Resident Dentist is finally coming to terms of reality of JDS defeat !!! Is the mourning over?
sumkirla-
so nimma arthadalli kannada maathaadi matthu karatakadalli hoottidhre asthe saaku looti maadthre OK?
PTL avara post odhidhra?
Vitlan Potli
No i feel that some of the comments against devegowda is just unwarranted.deve gowda is the not only casteist politisian as every one try to put it here.
Yedyurappa,kharge,siddharamayya and everyone are casteist to the core.not to forget sm krishna either.
Niether deve gowda is the only corrupt politisian as every one including pulakeshi try to put it.PTL comments are just out of shear hatred for a caste.I wou,d have appreciated if he had applied same efforts in uplifting of his community instead of cheap hate tricks.
Last few years devegowda has done nothing to prove that he is doing caste politics.just because he withdrew support from bjp he has became big villain and casteust.
This is unwarranted.unfortunaly this uncalled agression has made Vokkaliga community to come to support one of their leaders.
And it is known thing that indian politisans are obsessed with their families in one or other way.yedyurappa openly provided cycle contracts to his son?no one questions that because all nis done in background.
kumaraswamy doesn’t have that benefit because he is into politics which is a open field.every one are corrupt.then why target one community leaders.isn’t this hate politics?
I repeat again,let the members prove with facts(not assumptions) that devegowda’s acts were casteist.I will promise that i will not post here(don’t worry i dont use other names).
let PTL prove about devegowda’s extreme casteist acts?or else i think to believe that people here actually targetting vokkaliga community leaders without any reason.
I have all reasons and facts to make casteist behaviour of other community leaders with paper proofs and other things.but that will lead to serious consequences.
I can easily prove that yedyurappa is much more casteist as devegowda or siddhrammaya who constantly harps about his caste background.
Why is devegowda targetted?Because he is from vokkaliga?
sumkirla-
The comments that deve gowda attracted are not due to his caste but purely for his actions.
Here is a man whose party that did not have the popular vote and stood third enjoyed power most of the time purely by his shenanigans and also foisted his son to the CM’s chair despite the seniors in the party. His constant dilly dallying with BJP and Congress left everyone exasperated.
People expect a modicum of morality on the part of politicians; holding the parties at ransom and not adhereing to the word of power sharing and heaping a mid term election was the last straw. Now where does caste figure in all these?
If vokkaligas rush to his aid purely for caste reasons then they would do well to understand that deve gowda’s allegiance comes first to his family and will use the caste card only when his chips are down and feels that he is cornered. Rest assured he will be the first to disown and act as a national leader the moment he feels strong(dont forget he wants to be a muslim in his next birth).He must be chuckling under his breadth to know that vokkaligas are supporting him since they feel he is being attacked because of his caste.
The earlier you get the thought out of your mind that its is because of caste devegowda is being attacked the better for you. Anyways it is up to you. I rest my case.
Don’t you see Sumkirlappa, I have changed? I am now saying that the Gowda dynasty should rule the country forever.
Devegowdarannu heegaleyuvudu idee vokkaliga samudaayakke maadida anyaaya. Adu sariyalla. Neeve S. M. Sreekisnanna casteist antha heLidaralla budhyore?
Where in any of my posts have I said or claimed that Yed, Siddha, or Kharge are not jaathivaadigalu? Where in my posts have I ever named any community as a whole being responsible for the sad state of affairs in Karnataka?
Some of my heroes are Kengal H., Kadidal Manjappa, Kadidal Shamanna, H. K. Veeranna Gowda, K. V. Shankaragowda. Does that say anything? Is Devegowda the equivalent of a community which is perhaps the most highly educated section of Kannadanaadu? I certainly hope not.
You sound just like Devegowda when you say that you have proof to show many halka politicians are corrupt. Go ahead and publish that information. Let me know if I can help. If the serious consequences you allude to are going to make our people’s lives one jot better, let’s bring them on.
Jaatheeyatheya visha thumbiruvaaga thaarkikavaagi maathaadalu kashta ennuva abhipraayavannu nanna hindina postnalli paryaayavaagi soochisalu prayathna maadide. Adu eederadiddare, thappu nannadu.
Neevu yaake pade, pade jaathiya maathu eledu tharutheeri? Innondu saari heLtheeni–obba vyakthi maththu avana samudaaya onde alla.
Devegowda is not targeted. He happens to be major player in the lives of Kannadigas. Thus he is as open to criticism as anybody else who holds a position like that, however destructive or powerful. Democracy thrives on our freedom to question our public persons’ actions.
Problem with Devegowda
In a day, I see this headline many times: Deve Gowda changes his tune again
Deve Gowda likes to keep people guessing and never arrives at a decision until the last minute. They say he believes the more you keep people guessing, the better it is for his politics.
@ Sumkirla in English
There is a huge group of Reddys who speak Telugu at home, born and brought up in Karnataka and who speak Kannada with pride. (I am one among them. )
I do not want to change stastics for your sake!!
@Pulekeshi the last
Would do you deport all those tamil speaking Iyers and iyengaars to Tamil Naadu??
What right do you have to deport Telugu people who are born and brought up for centuries in Karnataka?
You should know the difference between mother tongue, first language etc.
very interesting comments by ‘educated’ people.
Dr. S.R
You are absolutely correct.
KeepQuiet
Looks like I posted this earlier but this thread is more appropriate….so here goes….
KeepQuiet!
Even by your standards of posting that was a pathetic defence about Dirty Devegowda being the leader of Vokkaligas and shit! If this argument is right how come SMK and DeeKayShee are against him? I am only going after Dirty Devegowda as a person who also pretends to speak for the country as a maaji PM, for the state as a maaji CM and all the development works as a civil contractor. If he is a leader of any sort that would be his home in Padmanabha Nagar. Elsewhere the man is simply a retard and a pain-in-the-ass and I give two hoots to his origin. If any one else had behaved similarly I would have lashed out him as well. Dirty Devegowda’s greed and opportunism is disgusting! He even makes ThiruKa looks respectable! And talking of outsiders it was Dirty Devegowda who sold JD (S) seats to Kongas like MAM Ramaswamy and Malayalee Chandrashekar. Unless you are now going to claim these two are simply Tamil and Malayalee speaking Gowdas in disguise Heh heh….
OK given all the coruption cases you have listed against the Yeddi and REddys, how can you explain Dirty DEvegowda and sons and their sons and his daughter-in-laws properties running into 100s of crores?!! WHat sort of business are they in can you explain?
Any politician whatever the community he/she belongs to are very self-centered.
Ofcourse all gowdas are not pro-devegowda for sure. and not all gowdas are bad like him. (This applies to all communities).
Devegowda did not help his own cousins in his native village. Infact his power created lot of obstructions to them, Daayadis. Do you remember acid incident on Chennamma?.
Reddys from Bellary are very much born and brought up in Karnataka just like me. It is hate and smear campaign is just to alienate Reddys from the lime light/power. By the way there are enough Ligayat Reddys in north Karnatka.
Janardhan Reddy and brothers they have well irrigated lands. Good irrigation means good money. When they ventured into business, mining turned into a boom(n) as a kilo of iron ore ealrier was sold at 250 rupees, now sold at 2500 rupees or so. So naturally it is lots of money for already moneyed Reddys. In Bengaluuru, as I had told earlier, many Reddys owned lands and were agriculturists and their lands became upmarket areas of Bengaluuru. So, naturally lots of money.
Though who say nasty things about Telugu speaking Reddys from Karnataka as “not from Karnataka or as not Kannadigas”
if you have guts try saying like that in Koramanagala, Indiranagara, BTM layout, Whitefield, Agara layout, Wilson Gardens, Sarakki, Jakkasandra, HRBR areas, Ketamaranahalli (Rajajinagara) etc and see what reaction you will get.
To be a Kannadiga, why should we Telugu speaking Reddys in Karnataka negate our tradition or our history?. We speak Telugu at home and Kannada is also our language.
Dr. Reddy–
Please take another look at my post. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment on the demonisation of Telugu speakers, now that we have lost interest in blaming Tamils for everything. You probably missed my reference to K. C. Reddy as well. Nobody could have led the transition to democratic rule better. I am perfectly mindful that our eastern border districts, Tumakuru, Chitradurga, Bellari, and Raichur have plenty of Telugu speakers. Incidentally, there has not been a single riot in Karnataka between Telugu and Kannada speakers. I am not a Telugu hater or baiter.
PTL,
It is not incumbent upon you to write a post to explain a preceding post. I find that a down right insult on self. If people fail to see the subtlety and dont get the underlying message of your posts it is not up to you to explain. Let it be.
Thanks, VP. There is always the danger that people respond to a post without being aware of what preceded it. The audience for the clarification is the general readership.
PTL,
No problem. Its only that the true import & purpose of a post is lost when one has to explain it in another post. If so then why write the post in the first place, that I find insulting. No need to explain but please continue to write.
not just in eastern borders, bang in the middle of gandhadaguDi, i personally know of p-number of koam Tees and telugu bremins and red ees (actually reddys from chennraaypatna, HA jille of all places) who speak better KA than TE. and I know enough telugu to make out what is good telugu and what is chow chow, even amongst its sundry traasaas.
i had to ask my komaTi friend from bellary who studied in Dharwad and with whom i always enjoyed watching what we called chatta telugu movies(we were high on esoteric stuff those days) at lakshmi theater to stop torturing me with what he thought was telugu.
nee abba aap ra baaboy champa baaka. vinaleka potunna nee edhava gola. he retorted… nimm ajji baggisi baDeetini ninna. haDasko hogu. we used to call him bugs bunny bcoz every second word from his mouth was about haDing somebody after bugsing him.
now that was music. straight from the gut.
gowda has shown that there is a semblance of dharma,siddhanta,aadarsha in politics. he refused offers from UPA, he said he was not for sale.
he remembers that it was the THIRD FRONT which made him P M.–upakaara smarane.
he is the guiding force for the third front. kannadiga again will be at helm of affairs in delhi.
Thanks, VP.
TS–
Esoteric, abstruse, mystical, nostalgic, code . . .. I am running out of words. What is your message about Telugu in the last paragraph?
All I know is that countless numbers of Telugus speak Kannada as well as their home language because they live among Digas (your practice is catching up with me) and are educated in Da schools. Some of our most eminent writers and scholars–tharasu, T. S. Shamarao, Venkannaiah, TNS come to mind–have been Te speakers.
You mind if I name our political wunderkind Shankaramurthy? The muzarai minister, K. Shetty, who ordered that pooja be offered in every temple everyday for the well being of Yed? He also said this was the best way to get the government paid pujaris to do God’s work.
Let’s get the Waqf minister to order all the mullahs and imams, padres and reverends pray for the chief min also. Strike that. Churches don’t come under his purview.
The article sure has whipped us into a frenzy of assorted reflections.
Dr. Ramesh–
Where do you suggest we build a temple for HDD in the style of the pharoaohs? It is time you reserved a couple of hundred acres for the monument near Paduvala Hippe.
Did somebody say that Gowda’s character is sterling because he neglected his own brother to show he is not out to enrich his family at the expense of you and me and a whole lot of tax paying dummies?
Correction:
Thee. Namma. Srikantayya is not a Tel speaker.
@Pulekeshiyaware
Sorry I did not catch your humour!!
memu kannadamolle. :)
I wrote that comment on devegowda’s self-fishness to the extent that he did not help his own cousins. He is that self-centered, for get about others, that’s what i wanted to say in my post.
You have an adviser who says what is an insult and what is not!
@Tarlesubba
You got a great sense of humour.
I finally understood what is diga. I was wondering if it is kind of a new slang and may be ‘not so proper’ to ask the meaning, I thought.
The failure of the opposition parties to topple Singh shows that they are invulnerable. I am curious about what changes the failure will bring about in the internal politics of Karnataka. My curiosity is matched by the delight in Gowda’s recapture of Veerendra Kumar is matched by the desertion of Shivanna.
Sangliana, Kunnur, and Madhwaraj bolting the BJP is another story altogether, as sordid as any in recent politics. Nooru koti is not a bad deal for switching votes.
Time for us to demand demonetization. We are tired of handling those soiled notes on a daily basis anyway.
They are “not” invulnerable.
PTL,
Most of the priests in Karnataka are from Telugu lineage. They speak telugu at home but speak kannada outside. Our own Puttanna Kanagal the great film director and his brother Kanagal Prabhakara Shastry are also of Telugu Brahmin lineage. We do not have problems with Telugu or Malayalees residing in Karnataka. They do not have any hangups learning kannada and gelling with locals. It is the northies and tamils who show this unnecessary non existant superiority complex and start deriding the local language and culture.
Regards,
Mayura
PTL,
devegowda do not cares about people deserting his party.A party cannot be managed by people who keep jumping.Niether had he cared about veerendra mohan.
He will definatly make kumaraswamy enter into national level politics.if they get decent number of seats(4-5) in next LS elections and third front is in power,I can definatly expect a railway track from ramanagara to hassana and a IIT to hassana.
I wish that happens soon.
Mayura–
You are right. The matha in Sringeri, for example, has had a long tradition of being led by Telugu gurus.
I am not so sure that Mals learn Kannada as willingly as Tels. Those of them who came to Bangalore to work at HAL, ITI, etc. did not feel the need to assimilate, just like the Tamils who came to work in KGF, but I suspect KGF was already Tam territory anyway.
Yed’s government is supposed to have set aside one hundred and eighty crores for Kannada development. I wonder what the breakdown is like. Some of it has to be set aside to counter the eminently possible danger of Bengaluru, at least eastern Bengaluru, the monied section, being turned into a union territory.
Sumkirla–
Does it matter who gets elected if Haasana can have an IIT because there has to be one and a rail link between Ramanagara and Haasana? Our future should not depend on the whims of politicians. In a democracy nodbody should have to beg for what is his due.
IIT in hasana?? why
i think we should atleast need 2 or 3 IITs in karnataka with 80 percent seats reserved for the local pool. One paper on Kannada literature compulsory!!