A common feature of post-Godhra Gujarat and the Amarnath shrine row are whispers of an “economic blockade” of Muslims by Hindus.
In Gujarat, it was reported that pamphlets were distributed urging “all Hindus to boycott the entire Muslim population in all possible ways including not hiring them or working for them in their establishments, not buying from or selling to them, and even not watching films in which Muslim actors/actresses worked”. Recipients of the unsigned pamphlets were asked to distribute it to ten more Hindus.
A similar situation is being played out in Jammu, where fruit traders in the Kashmir valley are allegedly not being allowed to transport their produce to the rest of the nation, through Jammu. There is talk of a shortage of drugs, baby powder, and other essential supplies. The implication again is that Hindu-majority Jammu is seeking to starve Muslim-majority Kashmir to have its way. It’s a charge the BJP has taken upon itself to deny, calling it a “myth” concocted by separatists”.
Questions: Is an “economic blockade” a legitimate way of “teaching a lesson”? If terror-mongers (in Gujarat) and separatists (in Kashmir) are the target of the blockade, should ordinary Gujarati Muslims and Kashmiri Muslims be made unwitting targets? Is an “economic blockade” likely to show “them” where to get off, or is it only likely to further accentuate tensions and harden feelings for generations? Is an “economic blockade” likely to drive Kashmiris closer towards Pakistan?
Also read: ‘Economic blockade can rebound’
Economic blockade of Muzaffarabad!?
Why didn’t we think about it earlier!?
“…….fruit traders in the Kashmir valley are allegedly not being allowed to transport their produce to the rest of the nation, through Jammu”. So, they do need the “nation” after all to sell their produce, but otherwise “the rest of the nation” is not needed. The Kashmiris who enjoy a “special status” within the Indian constitution, can freely travel through “the rest of the nation” for jobs, trade, education, buying property and what not, but “the rest of the nation” can come to Kashmir (one of the constituent states of the Indian republic) only as toursits to spend money. Also, secularism is applicable only to “the rest of the nation”, but not to the Kashmir valley. Kashmir is indeed, very very spcial and the folks there seem to be doing a very special favour to “the rest of the nation” by their presence.
I can tell you this, it is pretty common in Uttar Pradesh. Where the faithful are urged not to buy from the unfaithful – you figure out which is which. I have a friend whose dad, a small entrepreneur, was one of them who was forced to shut shop this way.
Ask around. But it will not be a good story to write about as per your charter.
Economic blockade is exaggerated! It’s time ‘Kashmiri’s’ learn to respect the laws of the land and the democratic process. Sure the road to Muzaffarabad should be strictly one-way, exit only. I am sure they will get a taste of what they wished for:)
Every form of protest in India has an economic consequence. Why are we communalizing by putting a spin on Jammu protests? Evil Hindus eh?
Are we sounding anything like Israel Just after agreeing for the Nuclear deal? heh!
is blocking water to neighboring states even after supreme court orders and tribunal awards okay?
why do you wnat to give communal twist to tis protest.
My question is why should not land be given back to amarnath shrine board.
100 acers is 40sqkms.. should hindus fight for land in there own country.
All muslims are not terrorists. Let’s not forget that there is Abdul Kalam and many more like him. ‘Economic blockade’ sounds very cruel. But we MUST stop pampering muslims. But before that we must publicly hang all the CPI (M) members who sport placards against Saddam’s execution and conveniently forget Godhra before raging against post-godhra with their commrades. The human rights activists that fight only for the rights of muslims.
We must severly punish those muslim guys that burst crackers to celebrate Pakisthan’s victory against India in cricket match. we have showed enough tolerance towards muslims now it’s time to show that there is a limit to our patience.
We must sentence MF Hussein to death for painting Saraswati naked and all the suedo-secularists who defend him in the name of ‘freedom of expression’
If Muslims are to live in Hindusthan, they’d better be loyal to this country.
Yes – It’s ok. Muslims in valley are asking for it for decades by their attitude and non-cooperation.
These “blockades” have been going on everywhere else in India for ages. This becomes an issue because the people at the receiving end are Muslims?
The govt should have allowed the separatists to cross the LoC and go to PoK and then should not have let them back in. It would have been a good riddance.
@Hiker,
guru correct agi helidiree..
Oh, poor kashmiri muslims….
Is denying a community a small piece of land to express its faith OK? The problem with the media is that it takes a black and white view in a very selective manner and pass its judgment without digging deeper into the origin of the problem. Is the media here to broker an artificial peace deal between two communities that have deep differences? If indeed, the media thinks like that, it couldn’t be more presumptuous.
In the present case, we have a government that buckled under the pressure from the Kashmiri Muslims and took back the land that was granted. The central government is sending a bunch of worthless morons headed by Home Minister (he should be a home maker not a minister) to talk and reach an ‘amicable’ settlement when it has made it clear that it is not willing to negotiate on the land transfer. If that is the case, then what is there to negotiate and talk? It is not the people of Jammu who are inflexible, it is the other party that is unwilling to negotiate. So what options do the people of Jammu have?
You cannot cure diseases with band-aids. But the question is whether you want to cure the disease at all in the first place.
The very word ‘economic blockade’ was missing from the all party meeting resolution that was (prepared and ) read by Pranab Mukherjee, probably most experienced UPA minister today.
Because, Pranab knew this will have international ramifications.
Its a pity we have such a home minister, who is thoroughly unfit. And its he, this idiotic home minister allowed ‘economic blockade’ to be discussed at the Srinagar meeting.
I am sure, had Pranab Mukherjee been there (probably he did not go being foreign minister), he would have handled it appropriately.
Advise for Indian press is: You are scoring self-goal by speaking the language of separatists, jehadis, islamists.
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And last but not the least, it may have been the Amanath Land that started the hell in Jammu, but ALL jammuites are involved in this uprising. There is a history of long denied equality to Jammu by Kashmir based politicians.
As if only Kashmir has a psyeche, and Jammu has none.
Again, Sankarshan Thakur, no friend of BJP, portrayed it becautifully here:
“What am I to do to be heard, pick up a green flag and shout anti-India slogans?”
“We’ve put up with this for 60 years, 60 long years,” says Rati Razdan, a politically unaffiliated schoolteacher who has been at the barricades in Gandhinagar each morning, “all in the name of national unity. Those who blackmail the nation with threats of separation have been pampered, those who have been loyal have been ignored. What am I to do to be heard, pick up a green flag and shout anti-India slogans? Why can we not have land in Kashmir, why must Kashmiris have their way all the time in this country?”
Why does the Valley have more seats in the state Assembly even though Jammu is greater both in population and land area? Why must they have three MPs and we only two? Why must they have all chief ministers and we none? Why do they get 80 per cent of government jobs? Why must they have 60 per cent of power? Why must they have reservation in colleges and technical institutions even though our boys and girls do better? Why is it that we can be thrown out of our homes in the Valley and nothing happens? Why is there such a crisis if we want to set up facilities in the Valley for two months each year? Why do their leaders get to build private mansions in the forests of Jammu’s vaunted Bhatindi outskirts whereas we can’t even be granted land in the name of a shrine? Why are they part of an all-party delegation? They are the creators of this problem, why should they now become judges? And why should we go to them? “
The kashimiris asked for it, they got what they deserved. The parties esp PDP have been anti-national all along its high time they are shown their rightful place.
Follow the law of the land. Some comments are shameful and bears the tag of Sarvarkar’s nazi mentality.
>> Sarvarkar’s nazi mentality
500,000 minorities driven out from kashmir ( this number is more than number of Palestinians driven out by Israel) was caused by Savarkar’s Nazi mentality?
first of all i’m a minority myself but i can say pseudo-secularists make me sick no matter which religion.
as for the amarnath issue, admittedly i haven’t followed all the nuances but i wonder if kashmiris are not making life difficult for their brothers in other states. its a self goal as someone said perhaps?
to my mind what’s most important is that everyone has the right to seek God in whichever way they think fit and they should be empowered to do the same.
one small point i want to make is that i have yet to run into a hindu who has viciously and deliberately hindered someone from another religion (in this country or elsewhere) from following their religion (i admit caste-wise it is another story).
we’re one billion plus people; there are word-class geniuses among us; surely a creative solution can be found in amarnath issue…
no doubt this is a facetious opinion but when faith is proceeding in its own path why force it in the direction of politics? 80-90% hindus don’t mix the two – its a deadly cocktail imho. why make them?
anyhow, churumuri is a respected site, why can’t netizens put their heads together and make some suggestions instead of leaving it all to the polits?
There is clear misunderstnding of the people in this blog about the issues involved. We have one of the most inefficient Homeminster of government of India who doesnot command respect of anybody.
This is the game plan of US when it wanted trilateral dismembersment of Kashmir into Srinagar valley,jammu and Ladakh. this is being done to creat an Independent Kashmir with POK minus jammu and ladakh to solve the kashmir problem.Jammu people have even aliniated traditionally friendly and pro Indian Muslim Gujjars.They are the ones who informed about pakistani tribal invation in 1947 , again during kargil. Most of all the cave of Holy amarnath was originally discovered by a Muslim gujjar whose family is supposed to get 30% of all alms given to the shrine.
People talk about sending Muslims into pakistan as if it is some picnic.15 crores out of 100 crores.What happenned in Bosnia and happenning in ossetia, people must understand great power games.
>>Jammu people have even aliniated traditionally friendly and pro Indian Muslim Gujjars.
Its not Jammu people. Wahabis, Deobandis have been in this project of spreading intolerant Islam in the Valley, Jammu and rest of country for last 4 decades. Time to stand up for truth.
Anser Azim,
Yeah exactly! I don’t expect you to understand Democracy any way if you start wading into the argument with irrelevant issues. Far too long the rest of India have tolerated these fly-by-night Kashmiris and their aspirations. Look into your own community and ask for yourself what have you guys done for the country?
Captain Johann,
Take it easy. There is no game plan. People are angry in Jammu by the petty politics played by PDP and NC. Sure Muslims have been subsidised and given a wide berth when it comes to their religious practices in India. Hindus expect the same thats all. At last people of Jammu have woekn up. “It it looks like a sheep, acts like a sheep, then it must be a Hindu!”
Those days are over my friend and I am surprised it took such a long time for Jammu to realize they were being sold across the border, literally!:)
no matter who what where no discussion on india’s territorial integrity. full stop.
This backlash had to happen one day, but successive governments and the permanent ‘frame’ of India pretended as if all was well, and that all thaey had to do was to endlessly pander to Kashmri Muslim, wncouragin them to becoem more amd more aggressive and intolerant.
A Kashmiri Muslim, in response to my post, says that a democracy should allow a younger brother who wants to leave go. He also blames Kashmir pandits for betraying Kashmiri Muslims! I have never heard that one before.
Just goes to show how our bureaucrats have done little more than lock the difficult files in their cuprboards and pretend that all is well. Jammu is only the first of the big backlashes that are silently bulding up all over the country, as Pakistan exploits a few of India’s Muslims to do its dirty job and kill more and more innocent citizens.
CaptainJohn: you have an honest opinion.
Shourie wrote this piece in December 2007. absolutely brilliant. He made an excellent prediction that came true, thanks to our seculars at large, and in some small measure even the folks at churumuri. Came true even faster than Shourie could have thought.
http://www.indianexpress.com/printerFriendly/254969.html
Shourie’s closing lines –
“And yet perverted discourse, even the stratagems of political parties, are but preparation: they prepare the ground for capitulation by the state to groups that are aggressive. And in this the real lunacy is about to be launched, and, with that, the real reaction.”
churumuri saw not a little of that ‘perverted discourse’. The way comments are coming in to posts like this now, proves the real lunacy did get launched like Shourie predicted, and with that the real reaction.
isolated hand wringers can now point to the laws of the land and nazi mentalities like they have always done with a heavy dose of partiality. But teaming up with all manner of unspeakable abominables in the name of ‘secularism’ brought you this.
captain johann, what sort of alienation are you talking about?
muslim gujjars apart from hindu gujjars were also protesting.
this apart, yesterday there was a muslim jammu lawyer on ndtv who also said jammu muslims were behind this because they see it as jammu cause. this came as a shock to farooq abdullah and lone, who were the other panelists. they jumped on him saying things like what sort a muslim he is supporting hindu cause, he is a stooge, he is afraid, he is not being honest and so on. this on prime time national tv.
even burkha dutt was flabergasted and she took FA and Lone to task.
that is the crux of the matter here: this business of secularism is an intellectual load which the much flogged, moneky worshipping family donkey is supposed to bear. even prominent muslim leaders, flag bearers of the hoary kashmiriyat tradition too boot, dont believe this gospel of secularism. it befuddles them that a muslim can get behind a cause that is led by his neighbours who happen to be hindus.
just as this piece on churumuri couldn’t get itself to start without making the now obligatory haj to GJ before coming to Jammu, media some how cannot believe that there can be genuine nationalistic causes or even hindu causes that are rooted in genuine current problems and not related to Babri-GJ-right wing created issues.
oh! btw, ever since the army marched in, supplies are running just fine thanks you.
as G3S mentioned, when I used to go to school non-cooperation was taught as the most noble tool.
and azim with all due respect, what sort a diplomatic add goDe mele deepa type of comment is that?
@anser azim
Follow the law of the land. Some comments are shameful and bears the tag of Sarvarkar’s nazi mentality.
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Anser Azim ,you are such a hypocrite your own Islam religion has nazi mentality towards other religions and you trying to tell others are nazis.This is what muslims are great- keep telling a lie 100 times and people will believe its the truth.You sound like Zakir Naik’s fanboy keep it up and be a bigot.
Its the the right time for all our PolicyMakers to sit and see what their seeds of appeasement ,favourism have grown to. The blockade is not only correct but Essential.
“it befuddles them that a muslim can get behind a cause that is led by his neighbours who happen to be hindus.”
That is not new. Unfortunately for Durkha, and the nice secular gentlefolks like those at Churumuri, it may have spilled out on nice prime time television.
Read from Shourie’s book covering Fatwas. Gandhiji, for all his docile interpretations of Gita and justifications for Islamic Jehadi barbarity of the variety seen during Moplah massacre, still was only a Kafir. And Gandhiji for all his secular nobility was to be inferior to even a Muslim with no character.
If Shiv Sena cries out for limiting the inflow of migrants into Mumbai, it is (justifiably) branded as rabid chauvinism. Whereas, when the Kashmiri Muslims shout about imagined “demographic change” then the seculars rush in to defend “Kashmiriyat” and Kashmiri nationalism. One is nasty and the other is noble, hiding behind the anachronistic article 370.
As I said follow the law of the land. Kashmir is part of the Indian union and the will of the people should be respected. I know personally how holy and important this shrine is to many Hindus around the world and if given the power will love to give the land to the trust. But this is not a Hindu-Muslim issue but a Kashmiri issue, where Muslims are in majority, ruled by Brahmin minorities since ages. It has been given a communal tag and now seems the state is back to old days with hatred and hatred only. I hope peace comes back to the valley and sanity prevails. Reason: read more about the word “Kafir”. Even prophets own
uncle and relatives were in the same category. It is not derogatory at all. though I know some muslims who are not Muslims seek pleasure in using that word to abuse others. And by the way as for as i know
God decides who will go to hell and heaven not me, you, a mullah or a Brahmin will decide that. its the karma!!!
Srinagar, January 4, 1990. Aftab, a local Urdu newspaper, publishes a Press release issued by Hizb-ul Mujahideen, set up by the Jamaat-e-Islami in 1989 to wage jihad for Jammu & Kashmir’s secession from India and accession to Pakistan, asking all Hindus to pack up and leave. Another local paper, Al Safa, repeats this expulsion order. In the following days, there is near chaos in the Kashmir Valley with then Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah and his National Conference Government abdicating all responsibilities. Masked men run amok, waving Kalashnikovs, shooting to kill and shouting anti-India slogans. Reports of killing of Hindus, invariably Kashmiri Pandits, begin to trickle in; there are explosions; inflammatory speeches are made from the pulpits of mosques, using public address systems meant for calling the faithful to prayers. A terrifying fear psychosis begins to take grip of Kashmiri Pandits.
Srinagar, January 19, 1990. Mr Jagmohan arrives to take charge as Governor. Mr Farooq Abdullah, whose pathetic, whimpering, snivelling Government has all but ceased to exist, resigns and goes into a sulk. Curfew is imposed as a first measure to restore some semblance of law and order. But it fails to have a deterrent effect. Throughout the day, Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front and Hizb-ul Mujahideen terrorists use public address systems at mosques to exhort people to defy curfew and take to the streets. Masked men, firing from their Kalashnikovs, march up and down, terrorising Pandits. As evening falls, the exhortations become louder and shriller. Three taped slogans are repeatedly played the whole night from mosques: “Kashmir mei agar rehna hai, Allah-hu-Akbar kehna hai” (If you want to stay in Kashmir, you have to say Allah-hu-Akbar); “Yahan kya chalega, Nizam-e-Mustafa” (What do we want here? Rule of shari’ah); “Asi gachchi Pakistan, batao roas te batanev san” (We want Pakistan along with Hindu women but without their men). As the night of January 19, 1990, wears itself out, despondency gives way to desperation. And tens of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits across the Valley take a painful decision: To flee their homeland to save their lives. Thus takes place a 20th century Exodus.
doode read up your history. 1400 muslims first landed in kashmir. for the next 400 years they ruled kashmir. during which time the essential hindu majority demographics of kashmir peacefully morphed into muslim majority demographics and hindu temples magically re-architectured themselves into tombs. i bet there were environmental concerns behind building tombs on top of temples, building a tomb on a separate piece of land would have disturbed the fragile ecology of the valley, i am sure.
azim, after a round of soma, i too can belt out wonderful revisionist stories about how brahmin is that and brahmin is this. but let us not go there.
The point is I have my own identity and prefer to call myself by that identity. Irrespective of what you call somebody’s uncle, i would like to be called by the name and identity MY uncle gave me.
Azim>>As I said follow the law of the land.
Arun Jaitley is precisely demanding this- follow court order that gave land to Amarnathji Shrine Board to use for 2 months.
Correct, its not a fight between Muslims and Hindus. Its a fight between Wahabi/Deobandi versus nationalists of Jammu.
This is not an economic blockade. This is a revolution of the oppressed people of Jammu, fighting for their right. They are demonstrating with the Indian tricolor in their hands.
Imagine what flags the demonstrators, opposing the land transfer, in the kashmir valley use!
Nice to read all crazy comments.. I feel you guys better read than watch T.V. it may help…
Not surprisingly the Secular MSM is fanning the ‘economic blockade’ rant of ‘separatist’s’ Muslims of Kashmir.
Road blockages due to protests are one thing – and it is bloody well done in every strike and bandhs or political protests, yet none of them are called ‘economic blockades’!
let us understand one thing very clearly, the history proves that Muslims are never satisfied no matter how much you concede to their demands. they are permanently aggrieved, always at war with the Majority in any and every country, where ever they are in majority they deny all the rights to their minorities, and when no minorities is left to ‘cleanse’ they start fighting themselves.
Ask me, they want to go to POK, bloody well LET THEM GO. Let them taste the ‘Paki Hospitality’…
Let them go… Bloody Good Riddance.
PI.
Mr. Prudent Indian
Brilliant Idea. People like you should come to the main stream instead of just commenting on blogs.
Can we try something like Madagascar Plan of Third Reich sir ? Let us say an ‘Andaman Plan’
or do we have to go for the final solution ?
India should start a reverse psychology campaign.. threaten kashmiris that Kashmir will be given to Pakistan. It will be interesting to see what their reaction will be.
karhaida
Wonderful suggestion…:)
It will be very interesting to see what these kashmir muslims say about it …
kkr<<.
Neither of those, just call their ‘Bluff’ and let them try enter POK. I know not what you know about the ‘muhajirs’ and their sorry plight in ‘Land of Pure’ – called Pakistan – co religionists of course and Main ‘driving force’ for a separate land – pre partition! Need u read some ‘history’ my dear friend! High Time, start with some very basic 6th standard ones. Please. BTW, should u want, u r more than welcome to come and ‘rave’.
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Karihaida<<
:)
I agree, that is what the solution is.
PI.
karihaida,
good idea, also govt must ban kasmiris from buying property anywhere else in India
“….or do we have to go for the final solution?”. To begin with, we can reciprocate the plan adopted by the Kashmiri majority clan with respect to the Pandits. Depending upon the response/reaction, any other solution can be considered, if necessary.
Anser Azim says,
Some comments are shameful and bears the tag of Sarvarkar’s nazi mentality. Savarkar advised the Indian youth to join the Allied war effort during WWII and wipe out the Nazis and the Axis. The Mufti of Jerusalem – Yasser Arafat’s uncle – and many other mullahs in the reigion, raised battalions in the region that joined the Nazi SS, and went about merrily butchering Jews and Orthodox Christians in the Balkans. The same Mufti spent most of his time in Berlin and after the fall of Nazi Germany moved back to Cairo. It’s all there in black and white. Read up on your history before you post.
If anyone wants to leave India he or she is free to get out. Don’t want to be a part of India? Get out of the Kashmir Valley. There is no right to secession. If anything it is Jammu that is under the authoritarian heel of the jihadi scum of the Valley.
Tathagata: Watch less TV and read more books. There is not much wahabi/deobandi kind of islam in Kashmir. Its mostly Sufism that has lots of resemblance to their ancestoral religion, hinduism. The only distinction is that they have stopped worshipping Shiv Jis Ice lingam/ ice stalagmite or idols of Parvati/Kali/ Gauri’s. Genetically all Kashmiris will be identical and very different from Bajpais, Modis, Thakres, and to those who propagate militant kind of Hinduism. You are right to an an extent that it is Jammu Nationalism Vs Kashmiri Nationalism and it is not much religion.
Azim>>Tathagata: Watch less TV and read more books. There is not much wahabi/deobandi kind of islam in Kashmir. Its mostly Sufism …..
I do watch less TV, read books from various sources. Its well documented how urban Kashmiris used Deobandi/Wahabi Islam to radicalize non-urban Kashmiris to further their ’cause’.
There are innumerable number of analysists who wrote on how systemetically Sufi Islam of Kashmir was undermined by recruiting Deobandis, Wahabis from Bihar, Uttar Pradesh. It did not happen in a day, month, or year. It took decades of effort after 1965.
Many a times in recent past, Sufis have been attacked in Kashmir, as well as in Bangladesh (Shah Jalal Shrine), or Pakistan. Attack on Ajmer Shrine was also attack on Sufi Islam of indigeneous origin.
So much so, even weekly Qaawali at the famous shrine of Khawaja Nizamuddin in Delhi has been banned because of Deobandi pressure. Why nobody protested?
I would tell you what Sudhindranath Dutta, famous modern Bengali poet, once wrote :
“Will the Pralaya (death, destruction) stop because one is blind?”
Azim>>You are right to an an extent that it is Jammu Nationalism Vs Kashmiri Nationalism and it is not much religion.
You are wrong. These Islamic radicals are internationalists- they don’t believe in Nationalism. They believe in Ummah- Islamic international identity.
Many a times Separatist leaders from valley condemned nationalism. Even few days back, Jeelai, the hardliner, condemned nationalism – both “kashmiri”, as well as “Indian”.
They accept no constitution other than the Quran.
kaangeya: It was his mentality and his involvement in the assasination of the great Mahatama. He was a scum fascist and the Shakhas of RSS is based upon that ideology and your statement reflect the same metality. Evil never dies and transforms. It was his RSS’s second leader, Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, supported Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. In his key book We, or our nationhood defined, published in 1939, he openly supported the anti-semitic policies of Nazi Germany towards German-Jews, openly supported Hitler’s violent invasion of other sovereign territories, lauded Fascist Italy and said these were models which India could learn and profit by. If you want to see Mr sarvarkar And Mr Godse just see their smily faces in a group photograph on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinayak_Damodar_Savarkar
azim>>It was his mentality and his involvement in the assasination of the great Mahatama
Till 1989, Govt history books in West Bengal was full of praise for Savarkar. Suddenly he became paraiah- because Communists want to confront Savarkar’s idea of “Hindutva” which is now propagated by BJP.
One of those books had a introduction of no less than Jyoti Basu. Hope you understand the politics behind this.
Savarkar was a nationalist whose parallel is hard to find anywhere in the world.
His book on Sepoy mutiny was published by Lala Hardayal (in US), Bhagat Singh (in India), Madam Cama (in Europe), Netaji Subhas Bose (for INA), Rasbehari Bose (in Japan).
The credibility of these revolutionaries are impeccable. Much have been writted against “Hindutva”, BUT HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK YOURSELF?
I advise you read that book. There is NOT a single line which is against Muslims, or Christians of India.
Also, consider what Pratap Bhanu Mehta, one of the foremost Indian philospher today wrote in the Indian Express:
Does Congress have guts to question Savarkar in Maharashtra?
Answer is, NO. Similarly, Congress (or CPIM) do NOT have guts to question Vande-Mataram (the Indian National Song that played a unique role during struggle for freedom) in West Bengal?
We hear noises agaist Savarkar, vande-Matarm from Congress, CPIM and left radicals from time to time. BUT LET THEM BITE THE BULLET AND OPPOSE SAVARKAR IN MAHARASHTRA, OR VANDE-MATARAM IN WEST BENGAL.
All these are simple politics to assure Muslims – but end up making hands of Hindutva stronger. Its subtle communal politics of cong, commies that has pushed the country where we are today.
Tathagata: It is good that you have diluted your own statement (Its a fight between Wahabi/Deobandi versus nationalists of Jammu) twenty fold
in your subsequent posts. good: you are learning. Those attacks on the shrines can be done by some crazy heads who preach hate and who are neither muslims nor Hindus. Including who want to throw 18 crore muslims of India into Pakistan or to the Arabian sea!!! Pathetic nazi mentality!!!
azim, you made a claim about brahmins and have suddenly moved onto hound tate (thathagatha mukherjee).
my query preceds his, and is simple, kindly name the brahmin kings, easier yet, name brahmin kingdoms that tangled with muslims in kashmir. i will make it easier for you, list brahmin kings who stepped on the common muslims’ liberties in kashmir. let me make it even easier for you, lets expand the domain of query to entire india. even better and easier, list number of brahmin kingdoms between 700 AD(when muslims first arrived in India), and 1947, before 700 AD and after 1947. even better and easier, list all hindu kings of yore and politicians of today who destroyed mosques. And make an honest list of temples destroyed by muslims and hindus in all of india’s history, right from the dawn of dawn of big bang or the day when god said let their be light, what ever date you believe in.
ha! azim, if they are such deviants, why have i not heard of any of these guys being decried as apostates? i am not not interested in generic fatwas. specific apostacy related fatwas only i want. if salman rushdie and taslima nazreen and entire communities like ahamediyas have been declared apostates for lesser crimes, why have i not heard OBL and gang declared apostates for violating the sanctity of holy insights and percepts?
ha! azim, if they are such deviants, why have i not heard of any of these guys being decried as apostates? i am not not interested in generic fatwas. specific apostacy related statements only i want. if salman rushdie and taslima nazreen and entire communities like ahamediyas have been declared apostates for lesser crimes, why have i not heard OBL and gang declared apostates for violating the sanctity of holy insights and percepts?
tarlesubba: u are right it should have been minorities a slip of pen. And its also true that Brahmins never became Kings including Krishna JI. Its also true that some Muslim rulers were not just rulers and did injustices to all of us and to our forefathers but that does not mean all muslims (50 crore of the subcontinent are responsible for their unislamic acts). all those 50 crores muslims of the subcontinent are from the same blood and flesh. I also believe it was the misdeeds of shatryas rulers and, and behind their back Brahmins, were also responsible for the spread and acceptance to Islam and their new faith where they found respect and a true brahmic religion. Where they can find their God without being told what to do and what not to do. who can enter a temple and who cannot. who can be a priest and who cannot. It was the most simplistic religion where one can become the Imam without being told his lineage, color and gotra. Long story. The truth is india has 15 crore muslims and a modern India will never become a developed country without them. All these religious issues will not solve the problem of education, health, pollution, water, and housing. Their has to be a sane approach to this Amarnath land deal. Do we all want what we saw in the newspapers today. Kashmir is back to the same old turmoil?? In my opinion all these hate filled comments will not solve the issue. The laws of the state should be respected. And i hope muslim Kashmiris, the majority, come to a consensus and give the land to the Amarnath trust and move on. Remember nationalism to an extent is Ok but also breeds
fascism and evil.
*Anser-bhai*
Your last five posts are bereft of specifics. But at least get your facts right.
1. “Brahmins never became Kings including Krishna JI.” The fact is Krishna, the Yadukul-nandan, was not Brahmin.
2. “The truth is india has 15 crore muslims and a modern India will never become a developed country without them.” Sounds like a typical threat in the absence of argument.
3. “The laws of the state should be respected.” So should we talk about Muslim personal law? Or about the evolving justifications for Article 356?
4. “Remember nationalism to an extent is Ok but also breeds
fascism and evil.” Any more so than fundamentalist Islam?
Muslim apologists such as you may expect little reconciliation with mainstream society without showing some intellectual honesty — for example, until you accept the historical fact of the bloody carnage that Islamic invaders wrought for more than 1100 years on Hindu societies. And that’s only for starters. Evidently a chief Islamic impact on the subcontinent’s psyche has been to create cowering, cynical, defensive, or aggressive Indians — all sorts of undesirable extremes. Thank you very much.
There was movie made on the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus and Sikhs; it is called ‘Sheen’. Technically not a great film, but it tells the story like it happened. Highly recommend it. Crime against humanity was committed and those waxing eloquence today on tolerance watched silently then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzm7t3cKhXM
Also recommended: the movie Veer Savarkar
http://www.mouthshut.com/readreview/16347-1.html
How can anyone call themselves Indian AND abuse Savarkar, a man who sacrificed his life and his family and his belongings to the nation? They can not be well-wishers of India.
A Azim,
“Where they can find their God without being told what to do and what not to do”
If I’m not mistaken the true brahmic religion you refer to tells its followers which god to find and doesn’t actually allow them to find *their* god ;)
But thats beside the point. Its high time Indian gov’t lets go of this blackhole called Kashmir, grant them independence if they so wish and more importantly take away all the privileges and stop spending on them. As it is for a majority of India, Kashmir is a foreign country.. just make it official.
Atleast one benefit of this will be that it will throw Pakistan into a kind of existential tailspin :)
Anser,
The problem is not with India’s 150 million Muslims. The problem is with a significant number although small % of them who are terrorists and terrorist sympathisers, and a large chunk of Kashmir Valley Muslims who are bloodthirsty. We have had this talk of butchering Hindus before – Moplah Pogrom in Kerala being the 1st of infamy in the 20th century. The Kashmir Pogrom of 1989-90 is yet another notorious chapter in the history of jihadism in India. For the majority of India the butchers of the Kashmir Valley and their sympathisers are foreign, and they should be asked to leave if they have problem. Kashmir Valley belongs to every Indian. Secession is a right available only to individuals not territories! Anser also spend some time reading up on the current day Muslim extremists of India if you have the guts!
Karihaida: I agree that will be existential tailspin for Pakistan. Briefly checkmate !!! But that will destabilize the whole subcontinent. And india will pay the biggest prize.
How Hindus and Sikhs were ethnically cleansed from Kashmir Valley is dipicted well in a 2004 movie called ‘Sheen’. Raj Babbar’s character is ironically named as ‘Pandit AMARNAATH’. I recommend watching it.
Anyone who pretends to be Indian and abuses Veer Savarkar, a man who sacrificed himself, his family and his belongings to nation should be ashamed of himself. Too many charlatans are admired and too many great souls in India are either ignored or abused; one wonders if we really deserve the sacrifices made by them.
This brought tears to my eyes. No one should be driven out of Kashmir. Hindus and muslims alike. I think Kashmir belongs more to Hindus than to Muslims as they are the minority. I do not belong to Kashmir but this should be the duty of every muslim Kashmiri to fight for the rights of minority and their neighbors that will be better than any prayers and worships. I know these atrocities have happened in the name of religion and more due to Kashmiri nationalism. Reasons and solutions are beyond me and you. Its in the hands of politicians, super powers and rival enemies etc. In that uprising thousands have perished militants and innocents alike. Human right abuses have occured. It is the worst thing to witness that some one is being driven out of his or her ancestoral place!!! I hope and pray that sanity prevails and Hindus and muslims can understand their own respective religions that is so polluted these days and learn to coexist. It has been very unfortunate.
Shyodha: I thought you have more humane approach to the Kashmir problem. Idolising Mr sarvarkar sheds and sends images of your neuronal firings that is filled with hate. He is possibly one of the main reasons behind all this hate between Hindus and muslims. The fascist and the brain behind the murder of the father of the nation, should not be the criteria of being an Indian. yukky suggestion.
first krishna was not a brahmin. you know laaloo yadav? krishna was prolly somebody of his clan. i dunno. i dont care.
aha, so it is now shatryas(sic) and brahmins ‘behind their back’. again, i repeat, name one kshatriya and the brahmin behind his back who destroyed muslims and their places of worship in kashmir. i will make it even simpler, just list the number of kshatriya kingdoms that there ever were in India, how many destroyed muslims and their way of life ever. and i want to know how many of these non-muslim islamists have ever been fatwaed for irtidad or even jahiliat?
stop shifting the goal posts. and quit giving me lectures on nobility of islam and how it showed god to everybody. while that was defintely the sales pitch, we all know more than enough about the depth of that claim in reality. we all know that not all human beings can enter the mosque too. for example women cannot. and only fools beleive that gotra and lineage of a person is irrelavant in islam. we all know who islamils and the syeds and the rangrezs are. talking of which, can you tell me gotras of valmiki, vishwamitra, vedavyasa infact any of the rishis of past and swamis of present? but that is besides the point. nothing that happened before and nothing that will happen from now on has got any thing to with god and individual spirituality.
all this has got nothing to do with god and one’s spirituality. all this has got to do with religion and the politics of religion though. where anybody who does not subscribe to one religion and the politics of that religion cannot enter jannat and know no peace- even in india here on earth forget heaven. its so easy easy for you say “Do we all want what we saw in the newspapers today”. What are you, threatening the rest of us? The real point is why does kashmir break into ‘what you saw in newspapers today’ at the slightest of pretexts? The point is two can play this game. Imagine what will happen, if everybody in the country starts doing what you saw in papers today.
give respect. take respect. as i said before, two can play this game. and unless secularists wake up and smell the coffee, two WILL play this game.
Demographic changes have been executed by Muslims of Kashmir successfully; India has been blackmailed into basically toe the line.
“The Vale of Kashmir has been completely cleansed of all non-Muslims.
Many captured terrorists have been released (and in all likelihood, ransom money has been paid).
The Vale of Kashmir continues to stress its differences from the rest of India in all sorts of ways: its ‘prime minister,’ its six-year assembly, etc.
The Vale of Kashmir continues its oppression of Ladakh and Jammu, which are much more interested in full integration into India.
The Government of India has been completely emasculated in J&K: it is reduced to being supplicants to such opportunists as the Hurriyat Conference.
Muslim Kashmiris continue to be portrayed as victims, a powerful lightning rod for Islamist causes worldwide.
Tremendous loot has come to J&K in the form of subsidies and grants from a Centre held ransom by threats of secession.
‘Kashmiriyat,’ allegedly once a pluralistic concept, has now been redefined as a purely Muslim concept.
Kashmiris enjoy a convenient situation, where they gain all the benefits of being part of India, and at the same time maintain a separate identify.
In effect, Sunni Muslim Kashmiris have colonized India – see the second part of this column for details. ”
http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/08rajeev.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/09rajeev.htm
In effect, Kashmir is extracting royal tribute from the rest of India. Strangely reminiscent of what the British did during colonial times. That is, there is massive funds flow from the Centre to J&K. Look at the magnitude of that largesse: Fiscal Year Amount (Rs, in Crores)
1991 1,244
1992 1,393
1993 1,569
1994 1,820
1995 2,635
1996 2,627
1997 3,208
1998 3,624
1999 3,833
2000 4,604
2001 4,437
2002 4,578
CAGR 1991-2002 14%
http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/amarnath/
Eye witness account from another blog:
In Jammu, there is practically a dark age going on since last 38 days. 15-18 hour power cuts; industries, offices, schools, shops – everything SHUTDOWN. This is the administration’ s response to a people’s movement – yes, there is an unprecedented revolution happening in Jammu. Everyone is on streets – doctors, professionals, business people, govt. officers, students, housewives; people from all walks of life, all strata and all religions; those who live in the biggest bungalows in the most posh localities as well as those who live the dingy by-lanes of the old city – EVERYONE. They take out rallies everyday in ALL localities. – non-violent rallies, carrying the Tricolor and saying “Bharat Mata ki jai”.
They are the same people who never ever differentiated from Kashmiri Muslims, who welcomed the migrant Hindus from the valley and understood their plight but at the same time never ever targeted the Kashmiri Muslims; the people who have borne the brunt of Punjab militancy as well as the Muslim extremism in Kashmir but have never indulged in revolts or communal rioting of any kind. These are the same people who have been ruled forever by Muslim politicians. (Forget about having a Hindu CM, the state for the first time had a CM from Jammu region in Mr. Azad who tragically proved to be a spineless leader.)
Jammu has no history of revolts and protests, and not even when half a million Indians were pushed out of Kashmir within 2-3 days just because they were Hindus…so why now? The people defying curfew and protesting on the streets are ordinary people – like you and me – educated people, making decent living and content with life. They are the same people who probably would never leave their air conditioned rooms and offices and step out in the heat. So why are they protesting now???
That should be a million dollar question all of us would ask ourselves! A question which remains unanswered by our 24 hour news channels, or I should say inspite of our 24 hour news channels.
The national media has chosen to portray the protestors as BJP sponsored, hindu fundamentalists who have stooped to hooliganism and violence. It couldn’t have been farther from truth. The kind of restrain that the people of Jammu have shown so far is commendable. For where else would you have dark age for 38 days but not one incidence of violence or communal rioting.
In contrast, the protest against land allocation in Srinagar started with the burning of tricolor and slogans of “Pakistan zindabad”. And how did the govt respond – by revoking the land allocation. The man sitting on hunger strike in Kashmir is Yasin Malik – he was a gun-wielding militant who self-confessed killing innumerable hindus in Kashmir – specific, targeted killing. He has now donned the role of a politician.
In Jammu, the people were sitting on hunger strike for days together. When one activist consumed poison as a protest, his body was forcibly taken for cremation by the police and his family and other protestors had to struggle to perform even his last rites.
When the agitation started in Jammu, the administration imposed curfew and ordered the police to crackdown on people. The police actually entered people’s houses and broke their cars and windows. This was done simply with a view to terrorize people. All this footage was captured by the local news channels and telecast. The result – the news channels as well as local newspapers have been banned in Jammu. The SMS service has been blocked.
The protestors were shot at by the police not to disperse the crowd or control the agitation – they were aimed at in the head and shot to kill. When the people realized that not only they have no leader, they are being targeted in their own homes by the very government they had trusted, it led to an even bigger uprising wherein they torched a police station in the city. Now the Army is deployed in every nook and corner of the city.
Amidst all this, Kashmiri’s claim to be suffering since their marriage functions have been disrupted because of shortage of mutton! The “leaders” are crying hoarse against so called “economic blockade” and threatening to go across the LOC to transport the fruit. And our media has conveniently chosen to highlight these “sufferings” of Kashmiris and totally ignore the plight of Jammu. Till last week, rediff had not even given any news on Jammu – all bylines were under Kashmir. NDTV, Times Now and dear Barkha Dutt who runs to Kashmir every time a Hurriyat leader sneezes or Farooq Abdullah has indigestion, were not even reporting anything on the people’s struggle in Jammu. So who get’s the Oscar for double standards now?
The travesty of it all is that after more than a month when the central government woke up and decided to set up an all-party delegation, it has put Mehbooba Mufti and Farooq Abdullah – the very people who caused all the mess in the delegation. There is NOT a single representative from Jammu. Its like creating an all-party delegation to address Jews of concentration camp but having Hitler in that delegation!
Even a rubber band, stretched beyond limit, can snap. The central as well as state administration had conveniently let the fire rage thinking that it will die on its own. For a change, this time, the people of Jammu (and that includes Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and even Muslims of Jammu) have taken a stand. This is no longer a politically motivated agitation – it is not in the hands of BJP or Shiv Sena as most secularists would have liked to say. It isn’t that difficult to bribe politicians, but they are not the ones controlling this now. Right now, no sane person in Jammu wants the agitation to turn violent lest it erodes the secular history that Jammu has always boasted of. But there is a limit to everything. It is a very volatile situation which, if it turns violent, will have horrible repercussions for everyone. The saddest part is that Jammu terribly misses a leader of its own. But at least for the first time they have realised – “”All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”
Azim:If you are an Indian Muslim, its better if you don’t engage into discussion related to Kashmir. So far, Kashmir issue has not affected Politics in rest of india , thank God for that.
Raja Dinesh Singh, Foreign Minister of India (under PV Govt) said this inside Indian Parliament:
“Should one inch of Kashmir goes out of Indian hand, the rationale of Muslims living in India will arise.”
Kashmir is TOO BIG a issue- and its better you understand its gravity and refrain from making comments.
PS: I have not scaled down anything. Try, if you can, to stand up against intolerant Islamists, Deobandis, Wahabis. Otherwise, end result will be what Tom Friedman wrote after Bangalore duo tried to bomb British airport:
“If Muslim leaders don’t remove this cancer — and only they can — it will spread, tainting innocent Muslims and poisoning their relations with each other and the world.”
http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/thomas-l-friedman-at-theater-near-you.html
Hi Mr. Prudent Indian.
” Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities ” – Voltaire
This is absolutely right in case of that ‘Mujahirs’ or ‘Muhajirs’ of Kashmir and Pakistan and people like you. The difference is they kill innocent people and you contaminate the web with your idiotic interpretations and ideas. Sir, Please read what you need not what you want…
pls upgrade yourself from school history text books and we have a nice talk..
>> Shyodha
please see the excerpts from Veer Savarkar’s Mercy Petition to Home member of British India Govt to release him from jail.
”In the end may I remind your honour to be so good as to go through the petition for clemency, that I had sent in 1911, and to sanction it for being forwarded to the Indian Government? The latest development of the Indian politics and the conciliating policy of the government have thrown open the constitutional line once more. Now no man having the good of India and Humanity at heart will blindly step on the thorny paths which in the excited and hopeless situation of India in 1906-1907 beguiled us from the path of peace and progress. Therefore if the government in their manifold beneficence and mercy release me, I for one cannot but be the staunchest advocate of constitutional progress and loyalty to the English government which is the foremost condition of that progress. As long as we are in jails there cannot be real happiness and joy in hundreds and thousands of homes of His Majesty’s loyal subjects in India, for blood is thicker than water; but if we be released the people will instinctively raise a shout of joy and gratitude to the government, who knows how to forgive and correct, more than how to chastise and avenge. guide. I am ready to serve the government in any capacity they like, for as my conversion is conscientious so I hope my future conduct would be. By keeping me in jail nothing can be got in comparison to what would be otherwise. The Mighty alone can afford to be merciful and therefore where else can the prodigal son return but to the parental doors of the government? ”
pls note the line – ”Moreover my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide ”
People who followed him became ‘mislead men’
you decide.
A man is thrown in jail; a man, whose only son, only child, dies when he was thousands miles of away from his family, in England, all the while making inroads into freedom fighting. He becomes target of British ire, his family is harassed, his property and belongings are taken by the British Government, again when he was far away. His wife having been thrown out from her home, became homeless. In London too, he is the target of British authorities. One can fight the beast in its own territory only so long.
He escapes. Tries a daring escape while he is on the ship.
This man, Savarkar, ended up in Andaman with a notorious punishment of ‘kaala paani’. No civilized nation today would treat its prisoners in such manner. For sure, no jihadi would get that treatment in present day India. Lack of hygiene. Suffered all kinds of diseases. Confined to solitary cell; subjected to torture which I wish secular brigade of the day had the mental capability to imagine let alone physical capability to withstand for two seconds.
People dig up the evidence on a desperate, tortured man asking for ‘clemency’. That is enough for them to insinuate; denigrate.
Same people turn a blind eye on a man who asked Jews to submit to Hitler, accepted Islamist barbarism in the name of religion, but went on a hunger strike to stop Hindus defending themselves many times. This man becomes great soul.
I really am at a loss for words.
@kkr,
The mercy petition was a ploy to fool the british, No matter what you argue Veer Savarkar will alway be a VEER
KKR,
Don’t forget the British were notorious for doctoring ‘mercy petitions’ and it does seem strange that after inflicting all this torture on ole Communicable Disease Savarkar, he would write a petition like this? I don’t think so!
TS,
For all the attractions that are found to be intact in the religion of peace, I would rather take my chances with Hindus:).
Karihaida,
“But thats beside the point. Its high time Indian gov’t lets go of this blackhole called Kashmir, grant them independence if they so wish and more importantly take away all the privileges and stop spending on them. As it is for a majority of India, Kashmir is a foreign country.. just make it official.”
Why should we give independence to Kashmir? It is an INTEGRAL PART OF INDIA. Just because you felt it is a foreign country it can’t be separated from India. There are millions of Indians like me for whom it is
an inseparable part of India. What made you say it is a foreign country?
We should focus on getting back Aksai chin and PoK and not think of giving up our existing territory!!
“Atleast one benefit of this will be that it will throw Pakistan into a kind of existential tailspin”
Giving Kashmir to Pakistan (can’t even think of it) will create more problems. Then whatever is happening in Kashmir will start to happen in Himachal and other border states…then give those states to Pakistan? Remember, bleeding India is the single most aim of Pakistan. Anti India is the very identity of Pakistan. If it makes peace with India, then there is no meaning to the idea of Pakistan.
@Hiker,
in 10 yrs time the secession issue will come much closer to home, i.e it will start in states like KA, TN, GJ etc due to the wide growth disparity and then Kashmir will be the least of the worries :) Laloo/Mayavati becomes PM in 5-10 yrs and will start looting the rich states for BIMARU, do you think we will keep quiet? I’m not wishing it happens, but its a distinct possibility.
This notion of our country called India itself is very loose and is quite evident in the lack of nationalism in the populace. You can deny all you want but think about it carefully. Thats how it has been from a long time and thats how its going to be. So my call to ditch Kashmir is from this line of thinking.
Once we get rid of Kashmir we will be in a position of strength vis-a-vis Pak’s intrusion into HP, Punjab and can take unilateral action without any hindrance. You are 100% correct about Anti-India being the identity of Paksitan. So if you give them Kashmir immediately, then it will throw them into chaos, since their very reason for existence ceases to exist :)
PS: I hate the name ‘India’. It should be either Hindustan or Bharat. I can’t even remotely connect with the name ‘India’
Karihaida,
“in 10 yrs time the secession issue will come much closer to home, i.e it will start in states like KA, TN, GJ etc”
BS.
“Laloo/Mayavati becomes PM in 5-10 yrs and will start looting the rich states for BIMARU”. So, divide the country and form smaller nations? Then in the “country of Karnataka”, people of Bangalore, Mysore and Mandya will start complaining that politicians are looting the rich districts for BIMARU districts like Bidar. So, further divide Karnataka and form smaller nations?!Politicians all over the world are looting…solution is to reform politics and not divide the country. If politicians divert funds from rich states to genuinely improve the so called BIMARU then it should not be an issue. You only have talked about growth disparity. So funds should be diverted from higher growth regions to lower growth ones.
Your line of thinking is flawed. Give away Kashmir because it is a trobled state..what logic is that?! The unilateral action that you talk about should be taken now to liberate PoK and integrate it with India. Look at China or US how they protect their geography. China can grant independence to Xiajing and check mate the terrorists! but do you think they will do that?!
worth reading:
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp?filename=Ne031107DEVIL.asp
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Well said Hiker,
Giving up kashmir will give rise to a very dangerous situation ripe for the bulkanization of India, more over it will be an unprecedented psychological setback for the whole Indian psyche. whatever it takes the staus quo should be maitained even giving up an inch of kashmir is way too much to lose for India as a whole. Janta can harp about kashmiriyat, history, who ruled who? what things were done to whom, how and when? The chatter is endless. From a political and geographical stand point that piece of real estate cannot be given up. Besides who the hell wants the pakis so close to Delhi. We will be only deluding ourselves if we think that granting independence is going to put pakistan in an existential tail spin. Remember the sole aim of the paki military force is to engage the infidels and bleed them by a thousand cuts. They are groomed to do Jihad and only jihad. What is new about the current situation in kashmir they have been at it since ’89. This too shall pass, but secession & Independence is an absolute NO NO.
typo balkanization
KKR’s comments on Savarkar’s “mercy petition”:
0. Have you heard Shivaji’s famous deception to flee from Aurangzeb’s Court in Agra?
Two years prior to Savarkar got ‘clemency’ in 1921, an earth shattering event took place in Indian politics- Gandhiji launched Khilafat Movement, that ultimately history analysis prove to be very detrimental to Indian nationalism.
Savarkar, a born revolutionary, did not want to waste his time in the Anandamans- somehow he wanted to comeback to mainland and start his political activity. Even after his release, his movement was severely restricted for 3 years by Brits because they knew Savarkar was upto something.
1. He was given due pension eligible to freedom fighters by Govt of India in 1960s.
2. Indira Gandhi published stamp on Savarkar in 1970.
3. Read the letter to the editor by one Anant Athale, a Indian revolutionary who joined Indian Army at the call of Savarkar during WWII. He was equally follower of Gandhiji.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/09/28/stories/2004092801951007.htm
Fact of the matter is, Savarkar was a giant of revolutionary, poet, literary figure (without him, Marathi literature will loose much of its charm) had a mass following. Congress tried to politically finish him by accusing him as a conspirator in Gandhi assasination. That failed.
CPIM, left radicals like Mani Aiyar now trying to whip up passion in the name of Savarkar. History has restored glory of Savakar’s nationalism.
Also, ask Sitaram Yechuri (most vocal against Savarkar) what CPI did during those days?
1. CPI supported Two Nation theory of Jinnah, and creation of Pakistan.
2. CPI leader G Adhikari wrote manifesto of Muslim League for the election of 1946 that created Pakistan.
3. Jyoti Basu and Ratanlal Brahmachari- two CPI members in bengal Assembly voted ALONG WITH muslim league when vote on partition was taken in Feb 1947.
CPI changed position thrice during WWII (oppose British, support British, oppose British), not keeping interest of India, but got manipulated by USSR.
Double speak by commies are so natural. They never had interest of India in their mind, not even today.
“Economic blockade” the real story.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/JK_blockade_staged_by_ISI_to_help_Hurriyat/articleshow/3362369.cms
As the agitation in the Kashmir valley against a “non-existent” economic blockade continues, Pakistan’s intelligence agency, ISI, may be hoping to get through what it has failed to achieve all these years — project its loyalists in the Hurriyat Conference as the real representatives of the popular sentiments in the Valley. ( Watch )
The observation was made by senior intelligence officers during high-level meetings on Tuesday-Wednesday amid mounting evidence that Hurriyat was using the contrived complaint of ‘economic blockade’ to nudge the people to look towards Pakistan-controlled Muzaffarabad.
The home ministry on Wednesday released figures countering the claim of agitationists in the Valley about the economic blockade and arguing that truckers and unions of fruit growers openly aligned with Hurriyat were also engaged in myth-making about the blockade.
Claiming that there is no blockade at all along the Srinagar-Jammu highway, the ministry said as many as 236 trucks and tankers carrying oil, gas, sheep, medicines and poultry products crossed the Jawahar Tunnel from the Jammu side early on Wednesday morning. Of these, 82 trucks and tankers had reached Srinagar by afternoon, it said.
Referring to the stranded trucks in the Valley, an official said a fleet of them actually belonged to one individual known for his close affiliation with Hurriyat. The transporter refused to move his vehicles towards Jammu despite the promise of full security cover along the route.
Home ministry officials said that the decision of some of the fruit growers and truckers had more do with secessionist politics than any genuine security concern.
tarlesubba,
Thanks for posting that link. I was also planning to post it!
Time is ripe to teach these separatists a lesson.
So, time to take down this post Churumuri?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/JK_blockade_staged_by_ISI_to_help_Hurriyat/articleshow/3362369.cms
>>>Tathagata Mukherji
We were talking about Savarkar, where did the ‘commies’ come into picture.
I agree Savarkar was a great Marathi Poet and one of the great intellectuals of pre – independence India. But a person who writes such a letter to the rulers (whatever reasons you give) can’t be treated as a true Freedom fighter or hero as long as we have memories of other true leaders and their fights to cherish. Thats all I wanted to point out.
Thank you very much.
Can you give me the names of the ‘cherished freedom fighters’ who were subjected to Kalapani in Andaman and Nicobar for TEN years with their brother. Savarkar was in Andman and Nicobar jail from 1911 to 1921. His brother was there too.
I wonder which other India’s family has two sons making such sacrifieces. And then denigrated.
KKR>>But a person who writes such a letter to the rulers (whatever reasons you give) can’t be treated as a true Freedom fighter or hero as long as we have memories of other true leaders and their fights to cherish.
Do read more about Khilafat Movement (launched 1918) and how damaging it was for indian nationalism. It was a blunder of gigantic proportion by Gandhji.
A born Nationalist, Savarkar, understood rightly the damage Khilafat was doing to the nation, and understood no point in rotting in British Jail as Gandhiji’s policy of Khilafat Movement was a greater danger before India. He cameout in 1921 to fight it.
It was a TACTICAL decision and he was proved right by history. Khilafat movement was one of the primary reasons for partition of India.
Savarkar was never a pro british.
The so called azadi….
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/we-are-pakistanis-says-kashmiri-leader-geelani/71498-3.html