S.R. RAMAKRISHNA writes from Bangalore: Fashion designers and DJs are hardly the sorts you would expect to see at a protest, but they came out on M.G. Road on Sunday to do what the affluent think only the riff raff do: shout slogans and create a hullabaloo.
The event provided us in the media excellent photo ops. It isn’t often that you get to see a street demonstration where well-scrubbed, stylishly dressed people strum guitars and sing songs.
It was, all in all, good fun for everyone.
We all know what brought the glamour gurus out on to the streets: the night curfew that the police have clamped on restaurants and drinking joints, and an order against live music and dancing.
In the 1990s, when the software crowd started streaming into Bangalore, a frequent crib in newspaper columns was that this City did not have an exciting enough nightlife. Bangalore is often considered—and I believe it is—the most Westernised of India’s cities. And this complaint sounded strange to many ears, including mine.
For those not complaining, it meant many new citizens had the inclination, and more importantly, the money, to drink and party every day, and could get quite vocal if they couldn’t. There was no police curfew then, so the new settlers blamed Bangalore’s “small town mindset”, and believed it had yet to grow up to the psychedelic pleasures of the big city.
The crib mostly left the older residents of Bangalore cynical, if not angry.
Their reading was that the brash new lot had no clue about the cultural life that had sustained old Bangalore—its lectures, concerts, literary symposiums, art and music classes…. The new Bangalore knew nothing about Ravindra Kalakshetra, Sri Rama Seva Mandali or the Indian Institute of World Culture.
When Tamil Nadu had banned racing and drinking during MGR‘s time, hundreds of middle-class Madras citizens regularly took the Brindavan Express to Bangalore and spent their weekends at the turf club and this city’s watering holes.
They will probably find it unbelievable that Bangalore is shutting its pubs and restaurants at 11.30 pm. And they’d be even more astonished to know who’s forcing the city to go home half an hour before Cinderella’s deadline.
It’s not the moral police, but policemen in uniform, armed with the law.
The police have their arguments: Crime soars if drinking and dancing is allowed beyond the deadline. Brawls break out, and drunk drivers crash. Live bands encourage immorality. Young people ruin themselves at rave parties. And so on and so forth.
Without getting into an argument about whether the City will sink into depravity if it is open beyond 11.30 pm, I am convinced we still have an irrefutable case to keep restaurants open late.
Thousands in this City work through the night, and need to feed themselves at odd hours. Not everyone has the luxury of a canteen. To deprive them of food is not just unfair, it is cruel. Software engineers, BPO employees, cab drivers, journalists, why, even policemen, burn themselves out working odd hours.
They aren’t spoilt brats itching for a fight.
They aren’t dying to get drunk.
For every Nikhil Gowda who goes out and smashes an Empire Hotel, there are thousands who just want to eat a hot meal and go home. Think of them, Mr Police Commissioner, even if you are unmoved by the DJs’ demand for a nightlife.
S.R. Ramakrishna is resident editor Mid-Day, Bangalore
Photograph: Jnanapith award winner Girish Karnad, Rubi Chakravarthy and designer Prasad Bidapa join artists and DJs for a dharna at Gandhi statue in Bangalore on Sunday (Karnataka Photo News)
Big deal.
Whoever wants can get drunk and party at home.
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A govt. which allows its citizen to work 24 hrs so that it can rake in taxes has no moral right to impose curfew at 11-30 PM. Now that Navaratri is round the corner and Bangalore abounds with many versions of Dandiya Raas which invariably extend to the wee hours of the night, will the moral police allow the Desi version of DJ or call the difference as too thin and ban them too ?
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http://community.livejournal.com/bangalore/386816.html
Meta commenting. :o)
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When Tamil Nadu had banned racing and drinking during MGR’s time, hundreds of middle-class Madras citizens regularly took the Brindavan Express to Bangalore and spent their weekends at the turf club and this city’s watering holes.
Oh! this is the context to which the rich man from Madras was referring to, in the play — Beechi Bullets!
Thanks!
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Anonymous Guy:
Maybe they can, maybe they cannot. There are thousands of possible reasons I can list here which will prevent people from partying at home. I’m sure you can think of many of them yourself, and I’m not going to list them all here.
Quiz question to ALL: Out of the following two places, where is crime more likely to occur (mugging, assault, eve-teasing, rape, etc.), at, say 12:30 AM:
1) A lonely road where there is a thin likelihood of a Hoysala making a patrol round once every two hours, and where all shutters are down, with no human being in sight on the road.
2) A road where there is a thin likelihood of a Hoysala making a patrol round once every two hours, BUT where a few establishments are open, where one can see movement and vehicular traffic, and more people arriving and departing frequently.
If you selected (2), congratulations, there’s still hope for you :-)
S.R. Ramakrishna: You are 100% right. We have an irrefutable case to keep restaurants open late. All the arguments put forward by the police are really incorrect. Drunk driving? One week of massive action and enforcement by the Bangalore Police will solve the problem, believe me. I am not exaggerating. Have you seen the fear and caution among citizens in Europe with regard to drunken driving? That fear needs to be instilled into us Bangaloreans. Get the message across that you can have your party, but if we catch you drinking and driving, you’re in deep shit.
Again, we’re bound to hear the rants of “destroying our culture”, etc. The police is not here to safeguard culture. In fact, “moral policing” needs to be abolished by law in my opinion :-)
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India is a democratic place of freedom, modern thinking, forward looking …. BULLCRAP … we are the same soceity of taliban, fundamentalists mullas. Did you see KaRaVe guys beat the shit out of Manchanbale Rave Party goers …. yes, ravers might have violated law but who gave the power to KaRaVe to punish them. If Vatsayana or Indra would have been alive now … this very own society would have stoned them to death.
Police instead of doing their job … are giving silly reasons that crime will increase if night life is allowed … I remember this very well … I had met with an accident late night … son of gon Inspector bast@rd comes to the spot … he is totally sloshed, it needed 2 constables to handle him… tries to cut a deal & rip me off .. mother f**kers cant even do their job properly. Even if police do their duty with half the diligence of a street dog, there will be fewer crimes.
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Please check the link: http://community.livejournal.com/bangalore/386816.html posted by “Not a witty Nick” above.
I dislike the KRV and its actions more and more with each passing day. I initially thought that these guys would do some good. Who, I repeat, WHO are these self-appointed guardians of everything under the sun?
Initially it was Kannada language related, then they proceeded to North Karnataka for Geographical unity, then they moved to anti-English signboard defacing, ……. and so on and …….FM radio and…., and now they’re into cultural and moral policing.
This organization is going in the totally wrong direction. By the time today’s KRV supporters realize what kind of Monster has taken shape, it might be too late.
What is KRV – a CBI appointed extra-legal anti-narcotics bureau? Let me put forth a few points in Devegowda-fan Dr. Ramesh’s style, with uppercase words for emphasis:
1) The KRV has NO RIGHT to barge in to a gathering and disperse it.
2) IF drugs were being used, the KRV has no right to perform a “spot arrest”. Someone educate them that the city has a POLICE force.
3) IF the KRV guys flicked laptops and cell phones as mentioned in the link, everyone who was part of that KRV gang that day, needs to be ARRESTED FOR THEFT.
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What is the fuss all about?
Empire Hotel on MG road/Church Street used to be a popular 24 hr drinks and chicken-mutton food joint until the younger Gowda’s rowdy son got smashed-up at 4.30 am by the no-nonsense Udupi cooks and waiters. Kalinga Bar & Restaurant on SC Road in the Majestic area has been serving ‘seconds’ till the morning since ages. It is of course, owned by the political powers that run the black economy! There are a few secluded bars/pubs in Residency Road, Upparpet, Rajajinagar, Yeshwantpur and Shivajinager that offer liquor anytime. In fact, Prasad Bidapa’s son himself was bashed up left and right at 3 am, during one drunken brawl in a famous pub on Residency Rd. Incidentally, after that experience Bidappa abused the cops and promised to quit living in ‘unfair’ Blr.
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Eateries,pubs,liquor shops,discotheques,live bands need to regulated separately. I don’t understand how all come under one blanket rule for operating hours and restrictions.
All the eateries should be open all day, all night .Close liquor shops,pubs, bars by 11:30pm. As far as live bands (read where exploited women are made to dance) ban it all together this is the only thing where moral policing is required. If Bidappa and family wants pubs to be open after 11:30pm it should be a big No , city cannot afford to have drunks running amok all night. Besides that would the people protesting also pledge to take a cab and be responsible after partying?
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From http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/aug/110808moral-cops-bangalore-news.htm
“The KRV has no business to raid any place or to beat people. They have beaten people with rods and taken away their mobile phones. If the KRV got to know of a rave party they should have informed the police. They have no power to raid and arrest. They are doing things like this just to create fear and extort money,” said a senior police officer preferring anonymity.
“Many people have escaped, and evidence has been destroyed. There was a dam nearby. What if someone had fallen into it while running?” asked a senior police officer.
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It is the rich and the well to do that go out more often and have a good night life. As mentioned when it is okay to be open for work for 24 hrs why is it not so to have a night life? why should they be stopped? There is money to be made. Good money is spent by these nocturnal nomads on food & drink. for the complains that we dont want drunk drivers running amok, people have forgotten that the police also make good money in fines & otherwise. There was always police checking for DUI near every street corner and junction that was close to a pub, discotheque or a bar. There is big moolah to be raked in on weekends. Amusing to see that supporters for the ban are the ones sitting in US who enjoy their saturday late nights hitting downtown. “Ivru US nalli maadithrey jolly adhey bengluralli maadithrey jaalra”
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US nalli Bengaluru tara jolly madhoke hodre kambi yensbeku. Nobody ever tries to down more than DUI limits out of this fear when outside home.There are no cops to bribe nor can you get away with 200 Rs fine.So not amusement here!
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never been so ashamed of the city and its people as now. russia invades georgia nobody comes out, jammu is burning these guys did not come out, the city got blasted, these guys did not come out, there is no water they don’t come out, there is no drainage they don’t come out, there is no garbage collection they don’t come out, the only reason they came out is because they could not drink late enough? how self absorbed are we? and the media covered this why? all bcoz somebody who has money or somebody who can play with words is out on the streets? peech munDevu.
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While the ban itself doesnt seem to make much sense, someone like Prasad Bidappa coming out to protest it is hilarious.
In a place like the US, if Bidappa dealt in drugs the way he does in Bangalore, he would probably be getting his ass ***ed in prison by now.
And if his wife and kids came in the way of a police officer or assaulted them, they would probably have been shot in the head.
Wait, he even managed to get away with peddling drugs into Dubai! What have guys like him got to complain about anyway?
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arthavaaythu. alli maadok hodhre jailu ilyaak maadtheera anthano? aadhrey 3 AM thanka kudidhu kuppalisi. haakidh gundu-nyalla jirniskond mele thaane car hath-thodu?….yenu 200 rupaiya? bhaari dhinagaL aagirbheku bengalur bittu!
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They make use of Mahatma to demand back lavish life? One though Gandhi could have been used for better reasons. May be it is time we gave Gandhi a long rest. As regards the midnight deadline, we have learned to live with it, and it doesn’t hurt in Ahmedabad. In fact, it makes things better in many ways. Police begins to enforce the closure from midnight, and the roads become safer for late night movements, specially for those with kids and women and in urgency. And those in the necessity of booze etc will get that stuff anyway, even in a dry state like Gujarat. Late night meals will become a casualty though.
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Anna Vitlan Potli,
Tavu yako tight agi erohange kansutte. 3AM vargu yellanna kuditha edri? downtown nalla ? en mele manele bidkolli aramagi car yake hattira . And hange nale yav Bar nalli sigona ? Bangalore nallene..namaskara
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@Vitlan Potli,
Ninig yaak hotte uri?
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This does happen. When ever there is a NEW law in the interest of the citizens, it has become a habit for some people to object. The media invariably takes advantage of this. They get a call before such protests are started so that they are on the spot to cover the event.
Same thing happened when all the 2 wheeler drivers were asked to wear a Helmet.
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I think the ban is on live band, night clubs – not blanket ban on eateries. Let them apply for special license and operate.
This case was dealt at Karnataka High Court, Supreme Court- and both courts upheld rights of police to regulate live band for larger interest of society.
What’s the big deal in this?
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Agree with TS above.. check out
http://bangaloreblues.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/we-want-to-parteeeeey/
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A bunch of cash-rich people with no work to do. In case just one untoward incident occurs during night time, the same media will criticise the police. All you good-for-nothings, sit at home and do whatever you want.
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@TS Could not agree more!!
I understand when the owners protested but not these .. What should I be calling them?
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tarlesubba,
I agree with you 200%!
Soon TOI will come out with a ‘survey’ and declare “80% of the Bangalore wants a better night life” :)
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There was a decent night life before the invasion of migrants to our city.
As the author has rightly pointed out these outsiders did not know about the existence of Ravindra Kalakeshetra, street plays, or the cultural activities that used to acccompany our Ganesha Habba, Rajyostava etc.
People both males and females enjoyed spenidng time at pubs.
In the middle of 1990’s, the culture changed. These pubs became places of violent activities and the crowds turned unruly. The crowds from the north of vindhayas went berserk at the freedom they saw in our pubs.
all kinds of things started happening at these places. Then the police had to intervene.
Basically, people have to be taught how to behave before and after taking drinks. Many do not know the evils of drunken driving!!. It is also the duty of traffic police to show them the dangers.
@TS
I agree with you. When these guys did not come out to protest blasts in Bengaluuru, they have shamelessly come out to protest ‘ban on night life’.
Enjoy your night in your home, not on streets!!
If you want to drink, drink at you home. If you are scared of your parents/wife, go and drink in a graveyard!!
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TS,
Super comment, Guru!
Look at Karnad! A man should be judged by the company he keeps. Less said about BendoverStreet Bids the better!
These a******* who never marched for anything are marching for more right to sell drugs, incite crime and shit!
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I think Sree’s comment about making people aware of their responsibilities before and after being drunk says it all.
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Look at it this way ->
more night life
=> more patrolling necessary for policemen
=> less sleep + more work
=> which policeman in his right sense would want that???
If I were the commissioner or whoever makes these decisions – in all probability where I come from – i care 2 hoots about night life – and if my “police team” complains, why not???
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Different people, different needs.
In Zero G, a pub on Residency Road, I was to witness one of the best Karnatic/Jazz fusion in 2005. M D Pallavi rocked the night with her rendition of kannada songs tuned to jazz music band led by Ranjit Barot.
Similarly, Dr.Suma Sudhindra teams up with Gerard Machado as a band called Megha and I have seen some of their best performances in a drinking joint.
I can think of many such instances when Bangalore had a night life. Now for some people this has become unpalatable. The kind of spoil sports they are, they seem to think that culture exists only if it is coming out of Ravindra Kalakshetra. Nonsense….
Forget about banning these kinds of performances in a bar/pub/lounge. Police take great pleasure in disrupting an event held in a place like Chowdiah Memorial Hall also….just when the musician has settled into his groove and ready to give out his/her best, the men in khaki stop the show.
Today the police ban the music played out, tomorrow they will ban coming out in the night.. any end to this madness?
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Dr. Sree Reddy > How selfish can you get? If you don’t know how to party, doesnt mean that other people should not!
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Tarle subba….
never been so ashamed of the city and its people as now. russia invades georgia nobody comes out, jammu is burning these guys did not come out, the city got blasted, these guys did not come out, there is no water they don’t come out, there is no drainage they don’t come out, there is no garbage collection they don’t come out, the only reason they came out is because they could not drink late enough? how self absorbed are we? and the media covered this why? all bcoz somebody who has money or somebody who can play with words is out on the streets? peech munDevu.
Your words….
Now tell me why the hell should a bangalorean be bloody bothered if Russia attacks georgia…..any logic in this statement?????????
Forget about these “rich” people… have you organised a protest march for the happenings in Jammu… I dont think so. Forget about you, I have never seen any organisation or group of individuals organising any sort of protest or march or agitation on the events being played out in J&K. So what are you cribbing about?? You have the guts, organise a protest march… those who are interested will come….
Same thing applies to bangalore blasts too… how many associations have done anything meaningful in the wake of these blasts??? Have you come across any protest march? Any gathering of people???
So before venting out your frustration on these people, check out if you have done a wee bit for the causes you have mentioned… then comment….
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Thinker!
All the great sessions you mentioned are still possible and can still get done. Just finish under 11.30 PM that’s all. Also, I think you have a few unrealized fears. We should be alright though. I say that with conviction because the likes of BendoverStreet Bids and his friends start their evenings well past midnight and thats the time decent folk are in deep sleep. It is quite appropriate that Bids and his Judy are in the forefront opposing these ‘draconian’ laws when only recently Judy had gone all Benglury Psycho on a hapless policeman! I think it would be very nice if Bids and Judy try this again under the new regime where they will be given some befitting crime punishment:)
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tarlesubba > why are you ashamed? What the f did you do when Russians invaded Georgia or when Jammu was burning?
At least these guys have the b***s to go out and stand for something. The rest of us are content to comment on blogs. Blah!!!
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Chintaka > agree with you. some guys like to go with the crowd. I am 100% sure if the prime wave here was to support Bidappa, he would jump at praising the initiative.
Follow the crowd is the mantra.
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half of the guys and gals you see in the photo dont get enough freedom at their apartments. so they need places do all the ‘unholy’ things outside.
Are they wearing goggles to hide their identity or just to save themselves from the ‘burning heat’ of Bengaluuru?
ayyo paapa!
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Dr. Sree Reddy Says: “There was a decent night life before the invasion of migrants to our city.”
Migrants? Your comment reeks of Bal Thakrey-ism. It’s coz of katu-buddhis like you that the country is divided into multiple dimensions. Do you frigging realizes that before the migrants invaded this city, it was no better than a Mysore what it is today? The progress is bcoz of the migrants. The fact that you are frigging making ten times a salary (if you at all) is coz of all this.
Why don’t you join the Shiv Sena? Make Bangalore a village.
(yes, I am a migrant if you may – and I pay the taxes that makes the road better. Unlike you. Some “Dr”!)
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Dr. Sree Reddy Says> so they need places do all the ‘unholy’ things outside.
What is unholy? So that is what you think people go to a pub for?
Please elaborate Aiyyoo Pappa!
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hardly any of the people who came out for the protest are as rich as our rural politicians and the leaders who represent linguistic and religious causes. the only difference is that they are more glamorous. some of you resent physical beauty and dismiss it as a side effect ill begotten wealth.
this movement is overwhelmingly middle-class and old-bangalore. its about people who want more control over how they live and interact with people.
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@ Vinay and his auto-controversies here..
You say a busy street with open shops (read as pubs/bars, and may be hotels) and feel that is safer than an empty one with all those pubs closed down by 1130. Why? Because you think there could be chances of people walking on these roads responsible enough to protect any damsel on the road from any crime being committed upon her.
And then you quote an event where KRV breaks into a drug-consuming rave-party and “spot-arrests” these people and continue to ask “WHO” are these people – who actually have done the very job that you assumed someone to do in crime scenes! Mind you, narcotics consumption is a crime in this system that you’re referring to. If you dont agree, then you have a separate point which needs a different discussion.
So, without bringing forth your KRV remarks or any of that crap that you’ve at the back of your mind, comment about the matter being talked about here. If the police thinks it is better to ban pubs/bars and other hotels being open beyond 1130 in the night, object that quoting the benefits of them being open, and mind you these benefits need to be in the interest of the entire public, and not to a minority that might actually have a bleak percentage of being beneficial to the society.
Besides, if you remember news of a few months ago – a son of that Bidappa (in photo above) had created a mess after drinking in the night (well beyond 1130) and still escaped police. Something to reflect why this guy is out on the road asking for this?
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First of all there is NO BAN on eataries. Even the bars can serve food after 11:30 PM. Also, I agree that our traffic police must make drunken drivers really pay for their recklessness. Also, Dr Sree Reddys points are also true. People can always booze in their homes silently whenever they want.
@Joe
Migrants are certainly partly responsible for all the good things in Bangalore today. But their contribution to the city’s problems is also significant. No offence meant. This by itself would be a big topic…so no point digressing
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Joe Pesci
Calm down,this is a argument and sree reddy has just put his arguments on the issue.Kindly do the same and don’t stoop to personal level abuse.
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Liquor & Public function using PA system (which includes live bands) is banned in Hyderabad & Kolkata after 11 p.m excepting in 5 star hotels , of course. The logic is if you want to have fun past midnight at a public place, pay for it. The state adminstration is not going to subsidise your fun by deploying additional force & for protecting rich papa’s wayward sons.
The employees in 24×7 call centers/BPOs etc. should protest with their employers, if they have not made arrangements for their food or canteen.
I surely was disappointed to see Girish Karnard on the streets trying to protect the livelihood (beyond 11.30 p.m) of some hair-brained, loudmouth, diskspinning DJs.
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Girsh Karnad, Bidappa and their cronies have found a nice way to beat the heavy hangover from their saturday night socialite page three parties. Go to cubbon park, shout slogans and get media coverage. Shout about freedom, talibanization and so on. This can get them charged up for their sunday evening scotch get together.
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The fat lady in the middle looks very happy to be caught by the Camera. It has made her day.
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# S.Manohar Says> Migrants are certainly partly responsible for all the good things in Bangalore today. But their contribution to the city’s problems is also significant.
But we wanted it that way, right? To be called the IT capital of India! Not Karnataka, mind you. So why are we complaining?
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Panduranga> Girish Karnad is a true “local” Artist. Do you think he goes to the late night parties? I suspect not. Why is he on the streets? Does he not get enough limelight? Again, I would like to believe otherwise.
They believe in this cause and have taken to it in a peaceful democratic way. That is what democracy is about. Freedom to voice our concerns.
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sumkirla > I agree. but generalizing things to include everyone non-kannadiga as invaders of everything that is Bangalore is laughable! You can argue for arguments sake – but please, some substance will help!
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Girish Karnad and Prasad biddappa never claimed to be saints or social activists.
They are going to agigate for what affects their life. They have every right to protest what they feel strongly about.
neither the war in russia will efffect them nor the economic blockade in jammu will effect them, so why should they protest?
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I had a re-look at the photo. Oh my god, I could not contain my laughter for five minutes. Except Karnad, everybody looks so happy. And that fat lady is looking well-fed. Karnad looks as if some has punched him on the nose. The article is no where related to the photograph!
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I think the ‘well scrubbed’ people thought that the ban was for 11:30 AM … hic hic
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@ Joe
Quoting Joe (I suppose) “But we wanted it that way, right? To be called the IT capital of India! Not Karnataka, mind you. So why are we complaining?”
Can you please clarify as to who and when was it “decided” to “want” it “that” way? And who in this land wants to bravely come forward and say that we wanted to be not Karnataka, but (just) the IT capital of India? Besides, your thinking clearly indicates that to be called the IT capital of India, we need to surrender whatever in us is Karnataka! That is surely not what we want(ed). Karnataka didnt need the entire country to pitch in to become this IT capital. Thats a shame to the entire nation!
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So going by the flawed logic of the commissioner and all the moral police we have here, Bangalore would be the first city in the world to be free of crime totally!!!! Time to rejoice….
A few suggestions to make Bangalore the most ideal city to live in.
1. Vehicles are the main cause for accidents, so ban all vehicular movement from the roads so that we have the feather that we are the world’s only accident free city…
2. People venturing out in the night is unhealthy and will lead to more muggings in the street. So no more going out after 8 PM in the night. This was the old Bangalore way of life, let us bring it back…
3. The serials shown in the TV, specially from the K family, promote unhealthy lifestyles… ban all TV pgms…. again we will be the first city in the world to have a totally healthy lifestyle…
4. Films, showing the heriones in revealing dresses, influence the young minds and the not so young ones. Ban them, this will result in crimes on women coming down…
Any takers????
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Some crime happens after 11:30 pm, so ban night life completely?
Cool. By the same logic, we should have more bans.
1. people die every year because of accidents. so ban driving completely
2. some men rape women. so ban men.
3. people die of electric shock. so ban electricity.
4. Sweets worsen diabetes. so ban sweets completely.
5. TVs make people couch potatoes. so ban TV completely
6. Icrecream and pastries cause obesity. so ban ice creams completely.
7. some gas cylinders burst. so ban gas cylinders completely
8. some mother in laws burn their daughter in laws. so ban mother in laws
9. Fire kills thousand every year. So ban fire completely.
10. Some aeroplanes crash. So ban all aeroplanes.
11. Some dogs bite. so ban all dogs.
12. Some food causes poisioning. So ban all food.
13. Some maidservants steal. ban all maidservants.
14. People commit suicide using ropes. so ban ropes.
15. People slit their wrists with blades. so ban blades.
16. Some marriages end up in divorce. so ban marriages.
Crime cannot be controlled by banning.
Can you ban knifes because kinves are used to commit murder?
Similariy you cannot ban night life because night life facilitates crime.
People’s fundamental choices and FREEDOM CANNOT be banned. Crime has to be controlled by increasing police patrol. simple.
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Catching drunk drivers within 100 mtrs from the pubs is what Hyderabad police is doing. Hit ratio will improve. Sometimes they do it on live TV and as a result some VIPs too got caught.
That may be implemented by Hoyasala folks instead of imposing some Fatwas.
BTW: More people are killed by tempo travelers without speed governors and trucks without tail lamps.. why shouldn’t they look at those?
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Airlines, train and Buses are bringing migrants to our city…lets ban all the mode of transportaion so that we will be free of migrants..one solution for all the problem..
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why can’t we impose curfew after 11:30 PM…no movement of man and machine so that everyone in the city can have sound sleep including police force.
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@Joe
Of course not. That is not what anybody wanted and as of today things also do not stand that way. Artists performances should be discussed carefully. But serving alcohol must be stopped at 11:30.
Why are all these things being linked with one another ? It makes taking a stand that much difficult
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Nijavaada:
Narcotics consumption is a crime, and I am not one of those who favours drug legalization. That said, you’re right – this is a forum for the 11:30 deadline discussion, and I will come back to the KRV thing in a separate forum.
So, do you agree or not that in places with activity and movement, chances of crime are reduced? The point is not that the pub visitors on the street will rescue any “damsel in distress”. Any time in the day or night, if there is a violent crime, most people would prefer to stay away and not get themselves involved. Point is, there is a much lower likelihood of crimes in a situation with people movement. Muggers, robbers, rapists, etc. prefer to stay away. Do you agree to this or not? I think it is fairly obvious.
A few months ago, Bidappa’a son was involved in a mess-up with the police. Yes, I remember. So, does that mean his dad cannot protest on the closure issue? Nikhil Gowda was involved in something too, did his dad not continue in power?
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simple, chintaka,
If one applies your logic, then narcotics should be sold freely.
We have seen single digit lottery destroying families, banning was a good solution.
11.30 pm deadline is a good compromise, if you are working late, why not start drinking early morning, you can be chicth the whole day.
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The police can easily catch the drunken people if they just wait outside the parking lot near pubs and pounce on them. But unfortunately they cannot do that as many people in these Pubs have ‘connections’ going quite high up. It is a common sight in Bangalore that the police catch only two wheelers and very rarely trouble the four wheelered ones. Here again they go for low end four wheelers and would dare not touch people in Mercs and BMWs. I dont blame the police as they are as much victims and part of an unjust hierarchial system.
With a burgeouing population the only thing the police can do is ban the supply of drinks at 11:30 PM. It is not an easy task to control the extremes caused by drunkards and the trouble they create on hapless pedestrains, innocent bystanders and pavement dwellers. Many cities in the west have banned restraunts serving drinks after 11. So it is nothing new, radical or talibanical.
The people who frequent these discotheques are usually very well off and can easily find alternative places to chill out and have a nice time. I have known people with less than impressive and middle class clothes being thrown out of these discotheques and banned entry. So folks it is not a very fair and just world out there. Majority of these protestors have palatial houses in areas like sadishwanagar and jayamahal (Karnad is an exception and is in middle class JP nagar) and they can actualy organize their parties out there as they usually do. No police would dare trouble them. The people protesting are not the representative of the majority. As someone said here they have found a nice outlet to get some free publicity and also beat their saturday night hangover.
Coming to the ‘Live bands’ and banning music. Most people here and the socialites who are protesting have no clue what these Live bands were. They were the dens of flesh trade. One main reason why the Live bands were banned was because of the increase in prostitution and also it did not enrich the local officials as the money went to outsiders. I have nothing against prostitution if it is by consenting adults. But these illeterate women were brought in hordes from UP, Bihar and Nepal by the pimps and the mumbai pimps made a fortune and the girls got their minor share. The live band ring did not have any local girls, in all my study of the Bangalore live bands I could count only a handful of Kannadiga girls. Now banning all music and discotheques is bad. But again if this ban is removed it will pave way for live bands and the whole drama.
In the intrests of a larger benefit the ban on discothquies and live music is justified. Heavens will not fall if the bars and pubs do not serve alcohol after 11:30 or live music is banned in pubs.
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“1. people die every year because of accidents. so ban driving completely”
and other such examples….
Accidents happen despite having traffic signals, police, road signs…Does this mean traffic signals are of no use? Atleast they bring in some discipline… Imagine the mess if all traffic signals are removed…
Similarly the restrictions on night life has more positive impacts than negative ones-at least I feel so
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Dr. Sree Reddy:
What is ‘unholy’? I enjoy my weekend drink, but I do not drink and drive. Neither do any of the guys I go out with.
Instead of educating, punishing and inculcating the people who indulge in drunken driving, you want to ban nightlife? There are city taxi drivers I have seen who keep a bottle of ‘Raja whisky’ with them in the car and take swigs from the bottle while driving. Ban city taxis now?
The point I am trying to make is only the following: majority of the public in India does not currently know respect for the rule of law, especially when it comes to traffic. In Europe or the US, people literally dread getting caught on a charge of drunken driving. Believe me Doctor, one week of severe and thorough action by the police will instil enough fear in people’s minds to prevent 50+ per cent of incidents involving drunken driving.
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Errata:
Instead of educating, punishing and inculcating discipline and respect for the law in people who indulge in drunken driving, you want to ban nightlife?
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We are living in India whcih has rich culture and tradition! please do not spoil it.
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We are living in India please do not forget and spoil its rich cultue!Many bpo’s and software companies provide food to their employes at working place itself!please throwGirish karnad our of karnataka
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I think people have got it wrong here.
No one here is cribbing about not being able to drink post 11.30 PM. The problem here is different.
Police claim that banning music from bars will help them to reduce the crime ratio. In what way is this true? If you want someone to go home and sleep by 11.30, its fine. But till such time, restricting his freedom to do things legally is questionable. And more so if it happens to be playing live music in a place serving liquor.
Tell me what is the logic behind this move??? Are people who play music in such places criminals? Or is it people who listen to music in such places criminals???
This is the problem and the people who were protesting were asking this question.
The police commissioner was very smug when he stated that he will not allow any place to be open where liquor is served and women are employed. Going by this logic, all star hotels in the city should be shut. Right? They employ women and they serve liquor. So is it going to be the end of star hotels in Bangalore???
One look at the rules that the police have prescribed for the discotheques and you will realise that this is done purely to harass people. Let me quote one such golden rule.
Such places are supposed to have adequate parking space.
Which hotel, which restaurant, which commercial complex in this city has adequate parking space???
One more rule, such places should have a separte entry and exit points.
Again, going by this yardstick, more than 95% of the hotels and restaurants in Bangalore will have to shut their operations.
Protest was against these kinds of ridiculous and arbitrary rules.
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What makes you think that this decision is solely made by the police . This could be the decision of trio viz: Ms. Yeddyurappa, Suresh Kumar & Acharya to curb vulgarity and inject some morality into kannadiga youngsters. Besides many of these discotheques are virtual whore joints.
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yaar ree il 3AM thanka maadhtha avre antha heaLidhdhu? Adhu US nalli antha heaLidhdhu! …………hotte hurina? I preshne na naan nimmana keLidhdhu
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Girish Karnad, Rubi Chakravarthy and designer Prasad Bidapa….
These guys dont seem to be protesting. Look at the smiles in the face.
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Ashwini Prasad:
All this talk of “spoiling India’s Rich Culture”, just because people want to party, is meaningless.
‘Crossing the seven seas is a sin’ was part of Indian culture too. Why do you board Lufthansa and go to Frankfurt -> San Fransisco?
People should stop wearing Jeans and T-shirts too, those were never part of Indian Culture, were they? Compulsory Panches or Kurta-Pyjamas in future for everyone!!!
Every second Indian movie that gets released is also “spoiling Indian Culture” going by the same yardstick. Be it any language, kannada, Hindi, Tamil.. Why not ban all movies?
Culture Vulture, ever been to Khajuraho?
Just let people do what they want to, as long as they act within the confines of law. I am not a big fan of Discos or ‘nightlife’ – I personally prefer having my drink in a non-noisy environment. But for gods sake – what is SOOO ‘un-cultured’ about sitting in a room with smoke and loud thumps, or jumping up and down? It is more disorienting than uncultured, and if someone really enjoys it, so be it!
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>>”Catching drunk drivers within 100 mtrs from the pubs is what Hyderabad police is doing. Hit ratio will improve. Sometimes they do it on live TV and as a result some VIPs too got caught.”
Goddammit! ili hiDi.. kuri hiDi.. for heavens’ sakes the police have better things to do! As a tax paying citizen, I sure would hope that my money be spent towards managing traffic, catching serial bombers and naxals and telgis and such others. India is a poor country with limited resources and I’d rather we don’t have to spend our resources and time booking kuDuk baDDi makkLus.
In a civilised world, the police force is entrusted with maintaining law and order and if it is their considered decision that 11:30 is the deadline.. then so be it! Not curiously enough, it seems like the only people who’re protesting here happen to be precisely the ones who’re waiting to get hauled up one of these days.
adella irli, I can’t believe… I seriously can’t believe that there can be people out on the streets for this!! TS is spot on!
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>>”Police claim that banning music from bars will help them to reduce the crime ratio. In what way is this true?”
Studies have showed (see links to media reports below) that loud music leads to binge/increased drinking. Increased drinking leads to decreased control of your brain over your body. Decreased control of the brain over your body increases the chances of you getting behind the wheel drunk. Increasing the chances of drunken driving leads to an increase in drunken driving. Drunken driving increases the chances of an accident dramatically. And each time there is an accident, x number of police personnel and nx hours of man-hours are wasted in clearing the dead bodies and shattered glass and smashed tagadu. Not to mention another nx hours wasted in the paperwork etc etc etc.,. All this is an unnecessary and totally avoidable waste of the tax payer’s money. You wouldn’t see this connection and would ask the above question only if you were drunk.
http://infoniac.com/science/loud-music-leads-to-more-drinking-in-less-time.html
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080061102&ch=633541068827043162
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Sisya:
The other day I had to catch a flight and I boarded a city taxi at 1:00 AM. The guy had a bottle of half-drunk ‘Raja Whisky’ with him, and was actually taking occasional swigs from the bottle. He had extremely loud music playing – ‘MTV Subbulaxmige Bari Olu.. bari olu.. ‘ (one of my favorite songs :-) Conculsion: BAN CITY TAXIS AT ONCE! Also ban car stereos.
You said: “You wouldn’t see this connection and would ask the above question only if you were drunk”
I am not drunk yet, I have just begun. Only had one beer so far. And this is what I have to tell you…
“Loud music leads to increased chances of drinking, that in turn leads to increased chances etc. etc. etc.”
Just cut the link between the *drinking portion* and the *driving portion* of your analysis, and all will be well.
You will now say: “read my statement saying ‘Decreased control of the brain over your body increases the chances of you getting behind the wheel drunk’, that is where the link is”.
And I reply in anticipation of your question: when citizens of almost all countries in the so-called ‘West’ or ‘First World’ are able to have their parties and binges, and yet their societies have negligible drunken driving incidents, what makes us Indians different? We are not sub-humans, are we? We have the capability to act with responsibility.
Whats missing in our society is the fear of law, or the enforced discipline that puts the fear of God in citizens of the West with regard to drunken driving. Very few Europeans or Americans would set out with their cars to have a binge if they intend to return home the same night. They just wouldn’t dare.
before the thought of a party, long before the point of no-return (when the mind exercises less control over the body as you have rightly pointed out), well before even thinking of a binge party, people need to figure out their means of transportation back home.
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Sisya:
You said: “Goddammit! ili hiDi.. kuri hiDi.. for heavens’ sakes the police have better things to do! As a tax paying citizen, I sure would hope that my money be spent towards managing traffic, catching ……”
So, cracking down on drunken driving is not part of traffic management – is that what you’re saying?? Cracking down on drunk drivers, whether on Church Street or Magadi Road, in Koramangala or Banashankri, is one of the BEST services the police can do to society (and to themselves in the long run). Cracking down on irresponsible people like the above-mentioned city-taxi driver and irresponsible college students is the need of the hour I’d say..
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there are studies that show that in india they is a high tendency to binge.
in the west liberty to drink, comes with a big unwavering stick. they dont care that you go and kill youselves, what they are concerned with is you killing others.
if caught the licence is immediately suspended. if you injure somebody you are charged with vehicular assault or something and if you kill somebody you are charged with murder. the point is the penalty is immediate and heavy and irrevocable. plus if somebody sustains injury as a result of your drunk driving, he can sue you for a pretty penny, for damages and loss of pay incovenience and other sundry reasons.
inspite of all this, in 2005 40% of all road fatalities in US were DUI. 17,000 deaths. 24% was driver fatality. 16% some random guy on the street.
this enforcement in the west comes at a heavy cost. evidentiary equipment, screening equipment, legal fees, manpower, training, education, jail, everything costs money, lots and lots of money. we all also know that we are no where near that enforcement levels in india, forget resources.
now lets come to bangalore.
Blr has the highest number of drunken driving cases in India. 44% of crash two wheeler drivers seeking medical attention were under the influence of alcohol. During weekends there is 12-20% increase in accident death probability.
In 2005 there were 7575 accidents in blr. And 833 traffic deaths. 5899 injuries.
of the 833, 348 who died were pedestrians. about 3000 pedestrian injuries.
cars account for over 30% of the accidents, two-wheelers about 20%, autos about 15%.
cars & autos about 5% each of the traffic, two-wheelers about 30% of traffic.
The enforcement density in blr is a dismal 0.29 per kilometer length of the road.
Now, lets come to compensation.
Govt reports value the cost of road death to Rs 210554 (1990 prices) and Rs 535489 (1999).
the maximum ever paid is 4 crore. that i am sure must have been some big shot victim.
oh! btw did i meantion? 36% of all accidents occur in between 6pm and 6 am.
we dont live in the west. we live where we live with our own constraints.
tendency to binge drink + nonexistent enforcement ecosystem + bad civic/traffic sense = quit drinking at 11:30.
if i am not wrong, even london imposed such bans, because of too many binge drinkers.
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This news is receiving wide coverage in NDTV , IBN Live , Times NOW , Times of India and all for obvious reasons.
The Police should give permission with these conditions :
1.If there are any accidents caused by those who frequent these PUBS or BARS then the FINE imposed would be Rs 5 lacs for Injury and 10 Lacs for Death.Payable by both the Establishment and the Drunker Driver.Both the Driver and Owner of the Bar/PUB should be ARRESTED and will not be given bail for 2 years in such cases.
2.No FIR’s can be lodged by these GENTLE men for theft / robbery in case the incident happens on the way from a party after boozing late in the night.
3.Drunker Drivers will have to clean the corporation toilets for a week.
4.People caught with drugs will have to undergo 3 years imprisonment with no scope for bail.Suppliers to reside in parappana agrahara for life.
5.All complaints of rape filed by women who frequent these places would not be entertained.
6.Celebrities who have asked for the ban to be revoked must be willing to offer their residence as collateral security in case the bars / pubs are found to be carrying on illegal and immoral activities.
DJ’s , RJ’s ,Musicians who are involved in all these cultural activities should be willing to be flogged / whipped ( middle east style ) in case they are caught with drugs.
How many would accept these is anyone’s guess.
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Suri:
Not many will accept these ‘conditions’ because they are insane. Let us ‘discuss’ these points one by one, shall we?
1. There are already stringent laws in place for those causing death or injury because of Drunken driving. AGREED, punish drunken drivers to the maximum extent possible. But the establishment need NOT pay. Can you tell me a logical reason why they should? It’s like saying, arrest a gun manufacturer because someone used a licenced revolver to settle personal scores. Think about it.
2. Wonderful! Mr. Suri, are you a robber by any chance (just kidding). This point does not even deserve to be commented on.
3. Good idea, ‘community service’ is what this is called in the West. Might be a good idea to implement this system in India on a large scale. This is one point where I agree 100% with you.
4. Drug consumption and drug supply have very stringent laws in place already. Agree with you here again, but not just in the case of ‘party-animals’. ANYONE CAUGHT IN DRUG PEDDLING NEEDS TO FACE THE MUSIC, party or no party.
5. You are really a Taliban fan, aren’t you? Come on, own up. Recently an Australian Mullah made a similar statement to the media. He said something like “The woman was gangraped because she was provocatively dressed and she was ‘easy meat'”. Are you a mullah impersonating as ‘Suri’ by any chance (kidding again).
6. I am not a celebrity, I am a poor ol’ engineer, and I am asking for the ban to be revoked. I will NOT offer my residence as collateral security. You do one thing – offer your house as collateral security to get something that you are passionate about, implemented. You are not a frequent contributor to Churumuri, so I do not know what you are passionate about. I will remind you of this thread when I get to know.
Again, you talk of flogging and whipping. Congratulations, you are a ‘certified-by-Vinay’ Mullah. You can now purchase a sword for amputation, whips for flogging and a bundle of rocks and stones for ‘stoning to death’ punishment.
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Joe Pesci AKA Katpadi Pecchi Chami,
…”Do you frigging realizes that before the migrants invaded this city, it was no better than a Mysore what it is today? The progress is bcoz of the migrants. The fact that you are frigging making ten times a salary (if you at all) is coz of all this…”
For some one who hopped on the train to Benglur from Katpadi you have come a long way my friend! We would like to keep Bengluru on par with Mysooru because that is the ‘gold standard’ in decency. Now go quietly into the night and into some hole-in-the-wall jopdi for your drink.
Why don’t you join the Shiv Sena? Make Bangalore a village.
(yes, I am a migrant if you may – and I pay the taxes that makes the road better. Unlike you. Some “Dr”!)
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Dr. Sree Reddy Says> so they need places do all the ‘unholy’ things outside.
What is unholy? So that is what you think people go to a pub for?
Please elaborate Aiyyoo Pappa!
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Though you may not agree with Girish Karnad and his ilk, they only protest when fundamental rights are affected not on issues. After all Independence day is round the corner. What is art. 14 and Art. 19g ?
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People holding placard that reads – bangalore bleeds. WTH? Are they so desperate to drink and dance? Only a handful care about this case and the city bleeds!. Sorry, not everyone is with you, party fellas. Go take a thand-neeru snana somewhere.
If people don’t like the 11.30pm limit, let them move out of Bengaluru if it so important. It is already crowded.
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Instead of the 11:30 ban, we probably need to ban public protests featuring ugly, old and fat ‘celebrities’.
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@Joe Pesci
There is no need to learn how to party from the likes of you.
Partying does not mean go unruly and molest girls and pick up fights with others in the pubs. It is not fixing someone to someone. It does not also mean selling drugs. These are the unholy things that are happening at present pubs. Police have to resort to banning. In addition, most of these party goers after few drinks, loose control on evertyhing that even includes driving.
Many are not even aware drunken driving is dangerous. They just think it gives them great thrill to drive. But in the process many valuable lives have been lost.
These migrants do not understand the beautiful and decent pub culture we had, before their invasion.
The migrants have only added problems and problems to the city while minting money. Their sole and sole aim is to mint money. Most of them think Bengaluuru is kind of a Mecca of fortunes. In the process they just ignore local norms.
I do not think migrants have contributed to Benagluuru’s growth. Yes, One thing is true they have created more problems for our society.
They are here just to have a gala time and make good money.
Benagluuru is turning into a village bcoz of migrants like you who have straight away landed from some regional uncvilized towns.
Beangaluuru is a city.
You are making roads better??!!! Hardly. Dont have these funny ideas that you are the only one who is paying taxes. U get a FAT pay. Everybody does.
You want to claim that you have made Benagluuru ITcapital of India?
Shame !
There is no need for me to explain ayyo paapa. If you are making money in my state, atleast learn few words.!!
If we Kannadigas talk about rights of our state, we are disintegrating teh unity. What a thing to say! You look at your own Hindi, Bengali, Tamil goondaism and chauvanism!!
@Malla Pottell
You have rightly pointed out the reason why drinking joints are made to shut after 11:30.
Many of them have become joints to pick up women. Many also deal with drugs. This is what I called unholy things.
Just drinking and eating at pubs or spending time dancing is not a problem. That is not happening now a days in Bengaluuru.
@magadi marxist
most of those people are not from sadashivanagara. Mostly they live in apartments.
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@ Vinay ; frivilous arguments just because you are part of the same fraternity.If the Drunker drivers want to ruin others lives by DRINKING and driving they have to pay the price.It is not the responsibility of the poilce to provide security to individuals who want to enjoy the night life.We have Police strenght in 1000’s and they are meant to control law and order and prevent crimes not to provide security to the BOOZERS.
If women willingly go to these parties have drugs and have sex , they cant complain of rape.If they need to go to party then they have to arrange security and go with SO CALLED respectable fellow party members to reach home.Why should the state take the responsibity and file fir and take the case to the logical end,when the contribution is NIL ( taxes are there , but that is not for security ) Since the law is in place you need to follow it.In case you break the law you are bound to pay for it.For the commerical considerations the pub owners and their supporters want these placed to be OPEN.So let them pay if there something wrong happens monetarily.There are other moral ways to earn money.So offering collateral is a just demand.I would prefer the Chinese SHOOTING to the whipping since these DJ’s RJ’s ( who are caught ) and the like have no business to Publicise drug use.
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I am amazed at the kind of intolerance people are displaying here against a perfectly legal activity!!!
Today a crane has crushed a young couple, he was not drunk, it was not late in the night and it happened in a prime place. So are we going to ban all traffic movement in the city???
I had mentioned in my earlier posting that the issue is not so much with the 11.30 PM deadline but more with the arbitrary manner of banning activities in the city.
Some one has posted a mail stating that loud music leads to increased drinking and hence ban loud music. If that were to be the logic, then we need to start banning pretty much everything we have. This is precisely what Taliban did in Afghanistan. Ban music because it corrupts mind. I had read sometime back that in a village in Haryana has banned TV since the mullahs there think that it is a bad influence on the mind.
Where is it going to end???
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* With heavy drinking comes rich kids and sons of politicians running over homeless sleeping on footpath.This happens every other day in cities.Beacuse they are influential, they get away with murder. Has Karnad anything to say on this?How many rich kids have ben sent to jail so far?
* Our friend Parasad Bidappa and family know a thing ot two about drugs.Lucky he is in Bangalore. In Dubai, Doha he would be inside by now.
*Because the laws are slack and people with influence can get away with anything, it’s high time to be strict and enforce the law.It’s better to be wise than to be sorry.
*Those who want to binge and snort can do so at their homes. Don’t expect camera to cover the event!
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Resident Editors like RamaKrishna, gifted-sometime-galah writers of our city, should stop indulging in character assassination. And try hard not making a flag pole out of Nikil’s Johnson to hoist their inked sheets of literature. But instead give that kid a break. He has a future like your son or mine!
(I should tell you a freak something, THAT HOTEL did start to treat speakers of our vernacular language with lot of concern or attention—that did not exist before or had been lost in recent days of soaring business from outsiders. I don’t know if there was any means I could have talked with the waiter about the number of jnanapith awards we have received and fixed an early service)
Now giving break to Nikil’s case means, not finding a reason good and recent enough to hold lovers of whisky, dance and music in captivity. That in certain type of calculation shows the minimal crime/accident scenes happening or registered under these partying kids. My assumption is partying types are still the decent crowd so far and there are definitely some exceptions. Going forward however the number of these exceptions will increase alongside the decent crowd, BUT you can’t stop partying. You can only make ways to streamline it.
Here is the point. Cops/politicians want to shoo away youngsters from THEIR volition of coming to such discotheques (places where people get drunk according to their moral limits and dance to music) and not attend a rock/jazz music concert whether or not liquor is served.
WHY?
People dance to music, and dance well when a couple of shots gets in them—devaru maimellae bandaga Or maybe they indulge in some rockhead stunts of the West like headbanging and growling at a concert. And drunken drivers may cause accidents or behave outrageously.
BUT WHO TAUGHT THEM THIS TREND?
Our own parents (cops and politicians and lechers of the West) wanting us to either go WEST for studies and work or get westernized. Everyone in this country is involuntarily wanting to Westernize. We kids went a step ahead in bringing lot more things western like parties than what our parents wanted—that was natural.
To start with discos or dance floors, my dad confuses, to be joints where I sit with a bunch of male friends and watching one girl dance while I throw money at her. Well, all karnads and bids are against that and support it from banning. What they don’t seem to approve, and neither do I, is to block us from going out with a girl I’m in love with and dancing with her while we get high on a drink or two.
Another thing that pisses me off is not letting me watch a bunch of my musician friends perform English songs or kanglish songs in such drinking joints—just because we are in there does not mean we all end up as tankers carrying liquors.
Banning dance and live music means two different things to two sets of people
1. My Dads Type: Dancing means one woman dances and all others watch. Live music means one woman dressed in minimal outfits sings and dances to a crowd of leching youngsters.
2. My Type: Dancing means a private moment I share with my girl friend in an all-couple party. Live music means a place where I see myself playing drums or listen to my friend strumming the guitar for our favourite English or kannada track.
Watch a sampler:
MY OPINION
1. Open up certain places on Fridays & Saturdays as 24-hour joints to drink, dance and listen to bands (not live bands of my dad’s type). Keep regular buses plying 24 hours for easy commuting.
2. Keep the other six days for yourself and shut every activity by 11:30, except for food joints willing to voluntarily offer service to customers—most will shut due to poor business anyways excepting the ones in prime areas.
3. Have rigorous rules for people breaking the law on other days and even on those Open days. (On Suri’s lines)
Get real! What do you expect people to do with all the money they earn? And taxes paid to the government are anyways making inroads to pockets of corrupt officials.
If you are concerned about the culture of the land, look for innovative ways to bring it alive. (Watch the video on youtube not sure if it is right way, but it is definitely impressive)
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Suri:
You say that I’m part of the same ‘fraternity’. If you had read all my posts here, you’d have seen that I have clearly specified that I do NOT enjoy visiting pubs and discos, and I feel that it is a more disorienting experience than anything else. I personally do not visit Discos or Pubs, I prefer to enjoy my drink in privacy.
What I am against, is the attitude of ‘I-will-tell-you-what-to-do’. The Shiv Sena agitates against Valentines day celebrations, someone agitates against IPL cheer girls, someone else says that ‘Tamil Culture’ is offended by a dress worn by a certain actress, etc. etc. The arguments provided in the name of “spoiling culture” are frivolous.
As regards crime, drunken driving, etc. I have already mentioned very clearly that I agree 100% with you w.r.t. sringent laws and punishment for drunken driving and drug consumption. But please realize that drunken drivers do not come out of only these pubs. Read my post on the City Taxi driver again, just as an example.
it is 100% the responsibility of the administration to provide security to any late night traveller. I need not be a party animal, I might be driving into the city late at night from, say, Chennai or Mangalore. I might need to go to the Hospital, I might be a night worker .. hundreds of possible reasons why I might be out on the streets in the night. So what should the Police do? Stop providing security to all and sundry? Or, provide security only to people who do not visit bars? What exactly is your point?
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ERR:
“Rich kids run over homeless people every other day. A bit of an exaggeration, don’t you think?
Prasad Bidappa, or anyone caught possessing narcotics should be ‘inside’ asap, be it Bangalore or Dubai or Doha. The fact that it does not easily happen in Bangalore is a matter of shame and concern.
You said: “Because the laws are slack and people with influence can get away with anything, it’s high time to be strict and enforce the law.”
NO. It is HIGH TIME that law enforcement in India reaches a state where the rich, or poor, or anyone, are made to pay for their misdeeds. It is really high time, 61 years.
Changing the laws in this fashion will ensure that politicians and sons of rich people will continue to snort and binge, finding their way around the law, whereas people without that level of influence will not have that ‘privilege’
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My views on this. Please check http://sandeshkaranth.blogspot.com/2008/08/ban-em-bang-em.html
I completely agree with the ban. You can find a comment by the celebrity who attended the dharna!
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Reading this post and the comments, I can only say, ‘look what has happened to the ‘Bendakalooru’ of mine I nurtured centuries ago’! ‘Look at the depth of depravity in this Ooru has sunk now!
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I think the arguments to ban dancing is exaggerated. There seems an agenda in it. Its going to be harder and harder to be different in India hereon.
Terrorists come from cultures where drinking, dancing, music is totally banned. No offense to those cultures in themselves. Just an observation. Crime continues in cities and states of India where only the poor frequent bars and the rest drink at home following tacit social values. These people have strong opinions how everyone should behave – exactly the road Bangalore is going to take.
Everyone knows that the police that seeks to protect our health and lives are the last people we hope to seek protection from and the first to harass us – unless of course we find our contacts in the police to help us.
India is a great culture true. But spending all the time defending it sans any influence of the rest of the world is not going to work – and actually removes the attraction it has in it. As people are more and more exposed to the world, we know that the West and its ways are not such an evil monster as we were made to believe in – it has only so much bad in it. Its only a monster, when we never visit it and hear stories from people who think they own our body, mind and soul.
The same is the generalisation that is being made of all discotheques and those who go there. And now, when we debate on blogs it easy to see that if you like dancing to western music – you are probably less of an Indian. There is no need to check anything further about you.
I hate anyone who disrespects the other – drunk or not. But I do not see such a big problem as those who have made this rule think there is.
Right now, I read that if its the majority who think that a ban should take place – so it is. I am not sure thats who a democracy works in law enforcement? But I agree, this is the road we are on… and we better accept it until we find a better way out of this new attitude.
The days when people accepted differences is over. Today, India must be one single country and if you are different – why are you so?
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Vinay,
“Changing the laws in this fashion will ensure that politicians and sons of rich people will continue to snort and binge, finding their way around the law, whereas people without that level of influence will not have that ‘privilege'”
No, no you can snort and binge too. Just don’t do it at a public establishment after 11:30.
Anyway this ban wont last long – after that we will again be free to get drunk/smoke up and race with BPO drivers again.
And dont lose too much sleep over senior citizen ‘celebrities’. Especially Prasad Bidappa. He will find a way to make up for lost revenues from nightly drug deals. After all he can still sell to politicians and sons of rich people.
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oochara,
Neev maadudhre jolly, nim appa maadudhre polina?
My typige ondhu rulesu, my dad typige innondha?
Free means free for everyone – disco type or live band type. Same goes for bans.
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Liquor, dance, live band and Jnanapeeth awardee
Why is it that that a noted artiste Girish Karnad, that too a Jnapapeeth awardee, is supporting live band culture in Bangalore. In news papers Girish Karnad was quoted as saying, “You can listen to recorded music, and you cannot listen to live music is something which is not understandable. How can the police say that listening to music in a club and having a drink lead to crime. This has nothing to do with the live band. The attitude of the police should be questioned here.”
Live music performances including karaokes have been banned in the city as opening the pubs late night will lead to increse in crime and accidents during night. Meanwhile, the police insist that they are just following the Karnataka Excise licence rule which does not permit gambling, get-togethers, dancing or any live band performances in places serving liquor.
It is unfortunate that respected and senior and sensible citizen like Girish Karnad who is held in high esteem by the intelligentia , instead of adivsing the youth to indulge in reading good books and participate in activities like culture and drama and not wasting their time in night clubs, is supporting the cause of the pub culture drawing ire of parents who are worried about the deteriorating moral standards and values of life.
When the crime level in the ‘Silicon Valley of India’ is increasing by leaps and bounds despite such strict ban on the night clubs opening even after 11.30 pm, if the authorities yield to the ‘pressure’ created by people like Girish Karnad, then god save Bangalore and the future of our youth.
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AG,
In my last post I was trying to clarify a lot of things about perspectives, origin and intentions; which I still hold on to. Your question on why differentiate between disco type (MY) and live band type (DAD), found my answer in my intentions: Women are no more objects on display, but are equals. They are now the 1 + 1 on our way to two; unlike my dad’s days so to speak. (I haven’t classified them as polli or jolly. They are very time-bound definitions). Given today’s age and era, my dad’s “one-woman-dance-many-men-lech” practice is a polli thing—I now classify it.
No it would be wrong to say “free means free to everyone and anything”…I definitely won’t advocate prostitution and narcotic consumption to be freed.
Now what do I advocate? Liquor, something which the government has already made available to public (I bet you have seen local wines stores in plenty), to be offered round the clock on a single given day.
I assure: you can have the rest of the days at your disposal, but granting a day or two to my type of guys isn’t such a bad call in democracy.
Now you’d say “why don’t you sit home and drink after the scheduled time?” I shall do that on other six days, but on the seventh day it gets a little boring for me. I would rather want to unwind for long time listening to live music with my fellow drunkards at a pub. Or maybe continue dancing with my friend till the wee hours–remember, only on one single day; I have already danced with her every night at my place, considering I’m chronic!
Now you’d again say “you are decent and will keep up certain standards, but what about the rest of the drunkards who go wild in local bars and run amok the city—the types like thugs, uneducated?” I concur with you here, but further my argument that I’m not asking all bars and drinking joints to be open. I’m talking about a few high end ones which have certain money muscle to obtain exorbitant licenses and levy expensive entry charges from its patrons.
Now you’d bark saying these drunkards (educated and rich) will have to drive back home for god’s sake and are a threat to the society. I agree. They are one big threat. But the police should have stringent laws on drunk and driving—even if it can get to an extent where the driver could lose his license. In the same breathe; I should add that the taxi services should be at our beck and call.
And above all, partied-folks will have to stop to eat somewhere on their way, and they might cause hassles there. Or even become victims of crime by sober people. There are lots of taxi drivers/servers/pedestrians/onlookers who want rip, rape and ruffle up with the party-goers/comers.
You are right; each one of them can’t be monitored on their way back home. It definitely gets harder thought by thought.
I KNOW I should have listened to you at the first place and partied at home after the deadline of 11:30. I think I did a mistake, I didn’t know things could get this harder and frightening “after hours”. If all this could happen over one night, I wonder how organized crime gangs would plan it out on following “Open” days. DJs, musicians could make a few thousand rupees lesser and still go home safe by 12am every day, rather than never ever go home at all.
BUT my argument is wasn’t anything beyond 9 o clock frightening sometime back in Bangalore? Haven’t we pushed it to 11:30 and still managed to deal with it? What stops us again from pushing the envelope a little more?
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oochara,
I will say this, and so you will say this, so i say this and then you will say that and i will…
Haha you sure built up an image of the person who is an anti-you. Or were you arguing with your dad’s persona?
Read carefully – I didnt defend the 11:30 ban. Actually I dont have much of an opinion about it.
Was just pointing out how holier-than-thou you sounded in the ‘i-am-cool-my-dad-is-not’ rant.
“I definitely won’t advocate prostitution and narcotic consumption to be freed. ”
Why? What problem do you see there? Arent these just laws we can push back on.
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On a lighter side to this mess – Get the army to take over the country. They are many times more trusted than the police and our law makers. They are more liberal and can enforce discipline and people are bound to listen to them without protest. And we can preserve our culture happily ever after!
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JR, I have nothing against GK. I am a big fan of his books and movies. IMHO, his ondanondu kaaladalli is the greatest celebration of kannada, and kannadigas. My all time favorite movie.
Sir MK Vidyaranya.
live band only means musicians playing mujik actually in person. like yesteryear aar-kes-tra, or kaarnaaTik kacheri or raayar maTha bhajanaa manDali. ella onde. lokal aartistru and nentistru come and sing only. obbabradu ond ond raaga ond ond gOLu.
singing and all they should be able to do anytime.
my only thing is, after 11:30pm, ond by-two kaapi-no, illa ond loTa haarliks-o, illa ond ishT shunTi majjige (extra shunTi) -no, illa kashaaya-on-the-rocks-o kuDkanDu kaeLbodalla sangeeta.
so that once they are out, they drive back home in full senses and fully awake and donot put the lives of others in danger and give the already overworked police a rest?
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for this to work shunTi majjige extra shunti must be shaken not stirred.
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Its not about someone’s right to drink. Its about someone else’s right to live. I personally have seen friends, upper middle class gents and ladies, getting drunk beyond permissible limits and getting back home in their own vehicles. That no accident has occurred is providence. You’ve no right to endanger someone’s life to uphold your right to consume whatever you want.
We can make fun of the B’lore police and their doLLu hoTTes (beer bellies) and lethargy and corruption. But today they’re seriously undermanned. Its not their job to mother a drunk!! How many people objecting to the police order, including all those Page 3 types, will ensure that all pub-bers get into taxis and autos and not their private vehicles at the end of the day? Will the BMTC promise to run midnight shuttles between pubs and residential areas to transport the drunks?
I don’t buy the decadence of culture argument brought forth by some commenters. Ella generation janagala dosenoo toote (Every generation’s dosa has holes:D).
Having said this, I would also like the police to bring forth statistics to prove the average no. of drunken cases they get every night and in which areas and the no. of drunken driving accidents to make a strong case. Some Page 3 type could’ve filed an RTI asking for this information instead of making headline grabbing statements like “Bangalore bleeding” on prime time TV.
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Here’s a link with some data on accidents in Bangalore. Tarlesubba, are you the same person on Praja?
http://bangalore.praja.in/blog/tarlesubba/2007/12/09/black-city-bangalore
And talking about the “morally decadent West” when it comes to having a big danda to enforce rules.
http://bangalore.praja.in/poll/tarlesubba/2008/08/14/booze-banjo-and-bangalore#comment-7402
For all those who want rights without responsibilities, the study is an eye opener, especially if you look at the accident compensation section or when your near or dear one is affected due to someone else’s right being upheld.
By all means, drink but please own up the responsibility on that affecting public spaces.
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when someone leaves a restaurant at 9:30pm after swilling a few whiskey and sodas, how do they get home? when was the last time any of you saw a drunk driving checkpoint as early as 9:30?
i dont see how the overstaffed/understaffed police force argument comes into play when they dont check for drunk driving anyway most of the evening. lot of people drink up and head home for dinner early in the evening.
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I do not buy the argument that police is undermanned. They have, above all other issues affecting us, dug up, executed an old law and thereafter managed to get into little details about the issue and spread the word. They have executed this against a population which is just a small percentage of the city. Its a lot of effort for a small, easy target.
In my view, Police is know how of many shady things that happen in the city, including the corruption within their own system. If they choose they can highlight it all and begin executing laws. But they do not choose to consider that important. Its not as easy as banning Dancing in a disc is – especially when it has so many social & class issues to find support through.
As far as drunken driving – it needs to be handled with a heavy and smart hand. Drinking will continue in homes, parties – and people drive. In fact the people I know with steel bars in their bones are ones who drank at home with friends and met with accidents.
To get people to follow your command, you need to respect the subjects first. Thereon you need to provide them with information coupled with feasibility of options. That will motivate people to follow rules. Only a city with ‘adults’ will follow rules. As long as we treat people as children, we cannot expect a responsible society to be formed. We would be better of as a kingdom. Drunk or not, people who do not respect others are bound to make the roads risky. For instance, many drivers drive hard but say that they will never have an accident. But the reality is that if your uncle was in the opposite car would one make him anxious by getting to close? Only a society which learns to respect others as equal humans will make roads safer. Right now we can see our society at work on roads. Motor drivers do not even think that the cyclist and pedestrian has any reason to be present. The auto guy hates a big fast car. The fast car hates the uneducated truck driver. The truck driver hates everyone who hates him – which are most. The bike guys feel like second class citizens. Police stops only 2-wheelers and sometimes a small car but rarely the big classy cars and so forth.
Unfortunately, with no kicks otherwise most of us seem to get our kicks on the road.
Of course, if someone claims his rights to drink he gives it away as soon as he endangers others by driving drunk. Its quite simple as that.
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For those who feel bad that nobody appreciates the fun of dancing… here is a video which will perk up your spirits and faith in this world. Follow this link
http://www.vimeo.com/1211060
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Dont Drink and Drive!
Dont abuse women!
Drink how much one can take and behave decently
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Dr. Reddy,
Dont drink and drive – 100% correct.
Aadhare adhe samaya dont abuse women antha helodhu artha aaglilla.
I doubt if majority of youth who drink in pubs etc. are into abusing women.
That is done by minority of people who are everywhere. At homes, at work, in colleges etc. For such people there is no time or cause to disrespect women. Jail and punishment is the best cure for such types.
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Hi people,
My take on this issue here:
http://www.enidhi.net/2008/08/bangalore-bans-live-music-performance.html
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@AG
Yes I have built an “anti-me” or even arguing with my “dad’s persona”.
I understand you don’t have an opinion. That “extended you” in my comment is not “you” in literal sense. I have just used you to meet my requirements but in a right spirit. The same spirit in which I bring in dad.
I’m sorry if I ever did “rant” and “sound” like “I-m-cool….” , I didn’t mean anything close.
But yes I’m and will be pointing at perspective differences that people subscribe to–be it my dad or you. After all what use are forums like these if not for perspectives! For example, prostitution and narcotics, in today’s time and age, are still not acceptable aspects. For one prostitution is a very demeaning thing for the womanhood of our age–if both men and women are allowed to pursue prostitution some day then it’s a different talk, but we know where we stand as of today.
Narcotics on the other hand has a very drastic effect on mind. Not so much for the already approved liquor.
I don’t propose to change the law before its time has come, but I do propose to change the rule. Its not even about 11:30 rule, but why ban music/dance at places where drinks are served. Or may be they just want to ban drinks. But we all know how unscrupulous our politicians are in this land of Khodays and Kingfisher–a big fat cheques changes it all.
Anyways this issue goes beyond what meets the eye. Shankar Bidri is talking about licensed places now, so shall hang my boots here.
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Hendada hoLe baththi hodare, politicians badkodu hengappa?
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