“Chief Minister comes down heavily on bureaucrats”
“District in-charge minister warns babus”
“Minister takes officials to task”
These are the kind of headlines that crowd the newspapers whenever a new dispensation is in place. Most such fulminations are for effect. To show voters that the newly elected broom is trying to sweep the stables clean and is only being held back by unaccountable, good-for-nothing bureaucrats.
A. Ramadas, the Krishnaraja MLA who became S.A. Ramadas just before the assembly elections this year, and is now the chief minister’s political secretary, has gone one step further. He has revealed that the BJP government of B.S. Yediyurappa had prepared a breakup of IAS officers soon after coming to power.
The officers were apparently broken down into:
(i) Officers who are incapable of doing any work
(ii) Officers who are efficient and can do work
(iii) Officers who are honest and do work if encouraged
(iv) Officers who can do work under any Government by utilising their strength and intelligence.
According to Ramadas, the number of “capable” and “efficient” IAS officers is: 14. Yes, ten plus four, fourteen.
There are 244 IAS officers in the State. So, 14 out of 244 translates into roughly 6 per cent. There are 224 MLAs in the Assembly.
Hopefully….
Also read: A snapshot of a simple devotee of Lord Ram
churumuri 
Wonder what ‘capable’ and ‘efficient’ means to a politicians lackey.
If they reduced the number of IAS officers from 244 to 10 – would be the best thing which happened to Karnataka. Same goes with KAS and all other government departments who are hindering our progress with their inefficiency and sloth.
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Whether one likes it or not, it is the combination of IAS-netas which runs the Government – not just in Karnataka but all over the country. Most of those in Yeddi’s cabinet cannot speak a sentence properly, let alone understanding the intricacies of the administration. They depend on the IAS for everything. It is one thing to attack bureaucracy for political postures and another thing to run the administraiton.
Just one instance. There is a senior IAS officer as Principal Secretary to an important department. He wanted to move out when he knew who his minister was after the new government was formed. But to his surprise, the minister called him asked him stay on. The reason the minister can understand neither Kannada, nor English properly. But both minister and the secretary have a common mother tongue – Telugu. The minister is not interested in the department but he wants a good name. Yes good name, because his money comes from elsewhere. He pleaded the officer to stay on. The officer found it funny and agreed. So far as good. He says he is enjoying…May be he is one of the 10 or he may not be…
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Yes, they go hand in hand – the politician and the bureaucrat. One justifying the existence of the other.
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Best is to scrap IAS officers, they are colonial inheritance. They are a bane to any state. Better to strengthen the KAS system and atleast these officers have some understanding of the local/regional problems.
Most IAS/IPS think of staying in power/limelight and enjoying the facitiles they get. It is very rare to see service minded officer.
Many end up blaming corruption on politicians, but it is this IAS/IPS cadres who are the main culprits and act as suthradaararu.
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@ashwini
wonderful story you have cooked.
why dont you come out with the name of the minister and the sec?
Some of you guys are so blind there was this chief minister who after staying in Karantaka for 200 years or so claimed his origins to some state in the north. The media and some baabus were happy speaking to him in Hindi. This Adharma Singh was busy practising Hindi in Karnataka. That was not a problem!
There are these bunch of Bengali IAS officers who take pride in speaking baby language: they act as if they can not pronounce kannada words properly!! It is Greek and Latin to them!!
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Calimed his loyalty to northy state and press (TOI) prasied him for keeping up the good connection with his old region!!
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Dr. Sree Reddy Avare,
Nimage Japanese baruttha??
Sumne kelthaiddini, just for information..
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Thank God the Wodeyars gave up speaking Gujaraathi. Otherwise, Yed would be another Modi instead of being just a copy.
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barutthiri chennage baruthe.
adannu tilukondu eena maduthira?
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Enilla Saar, nimage Japanese barutthe antha santosha aaithu ashte…
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Andre, happy to know you are not a hypocrite, ashte..
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Karnataka tops corruption graph. Slightly better than UP, Bihar.
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Sep12008/scroll2008090187762.asp?section=frontpagenews
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andre?
madam andre sari
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It is because of all those northy IAS/IPS guys and the large scale migration from north of Vindhyas into Karnataka.
That was not the case before.
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hmmm…Dr Reddy..blame everything to norties. We need to look inwards before blaming outsiders. Tamilnadu also in the same group. If few dozen of IAS/IPS from north can make Karnataka tops the corruption chart then I really pity for ourself than blaming those few dozen of IAS/IPS officer. Do our politicians also comes from North under whose nose all this happens.. By the way few states of north are in the least corrupt states..don’t say that IAS/IPS from south have made them least corrupt ;-))
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More than dozen more than 50 percent are from the north of vindhyas.
Not just a dozen. Our IAS and IPS people are very few.
We always end up blaming politicians for the corruption. We need to blame the civil servants in Karnataka also.
politicians and bureaus are siblings. Dont you know this simple truth! They help each other and very very friendly. :)
>”By the way few states of north are in the least corrupt states..don’t say that IAS/IPS from south have made them least corrupt ;-)) ” <
Quite possible. People from south atleast have some morals left in them.
i used to think merchant classes in south are very greedy as a young child. But changed that opinion after spending few years in New Delhi and changed to “the merchant classes in the south of Vindhyas are greedy but atleast have some morals(human heart).”.
People in the north especially the ganga kinare people(ofcourse not all states and not everybody) just squeeze you!!
Karune annodu eenu illa avarige.
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Dr. Sree Reddy:
I have stayed in Calcutta, Chennai, Hyderabad. I have visited Mumbai and Delhi several times. I have been to almost all tourist spots in India including Kedarnath/Badrinath, Ooty, Khandala, Coorg, Manali, etc. etc. etc.
I say this: your statements are simply narrow minded and foolish. I have experience in dealing with the bureaucracy in several cities in India and Karnataka was among my worst experiences. The people I interacted with in Bangalore were not ‘Northies’, but were fluent Kannada speaking Babus. Those babus are among the sickest people on this planet.
Such narrow minded thinking as yours cannot be argued with. Better I stop wasting my time.
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@Vinay
Thanks for your wonderful observation!!
I am narrow minded and you are very broad minded!!! and you claim as if you are a kannadiga. Most of your comments are pro-north or pro-Bengali. do you think people are fools here?
How long did you stay and in what capacity?
A tourist enriches an economy and he/she is a welcomed anywhere in the world.
I find yours the narrowest minded comments when it comes to matters on kannada or bengaluuru. Then why dont you go and stay in those cities??
You were happy interacting with those babus in other states, go there forever!
Karnataka and Kannada officers are very bad people. yes very true.
Earlier also you had claimed your status of being a ‘Kannadiga’ by quoting your grand parents, parents houses location in Bengaluuru.
You never had anything substantial to argue for. You said Karnatka Rakshana Vedike are thugs etc. Your Bengali people are great people etc.
Your knowledge on IITs was great! You failed to explain northy dominance in those institutes despite of a ‘national’ entrance exam.
People like you have allowed status of Kannada to go down the drain.!
If you find my comments narrow and foolish, why do you waste time writing?
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Also, there was some report ( google might give lots of report on this) that Registrar offices in karnataka are among the most corrupt departments in India.. Dr. Sree Reddy, please go and check registrar offices and find how many norties are there. Please ask the people who buy/sell properties in Bangalore. They will tell you the truth.
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Dr. Sree Reddy:
I go back on my word of not wasting time on you. I really do need to waste some time because you are an expert at jumping to conclusions based on what one did not write. Now, read the following carefully, don’t get excited. Drink some majage if you find blood rushing where it should not be rushing.
1) Just like you are a Telugu by birth and have settled in Bangalore, I am a ‘Sanketi’ and my past 4 generations have settled in Bangalore . Not sure if you have heard of the language. It is a dialect which does not have a script. The Kannada script is used for the language. We hail from an area between Hassan and Virajpet (most of us) – the villages of Bettadapura and Rudrapatna. Bangalore and Karnataka belongs as much to me as it does to you. So understand that I’m no tourist and pipe down about my ‘claiming’ things.
2) I said that I was unhappy interacting with babus in Bangalore. I did not say that I was happy interacting with Babus in other states. This is what we call jumping to conclusions based on information not provided. I have observed that your posts always try to portray that Kannadigas are always good and Northies are always crap. Silly of you. I have met a few decent babus in Calcutta and Delhi, but most of them were shit. The same holds for Karnataka. Some decent ones, most of them are shit. Got the point?
3) The agenda of the KRV is a noble one on paper, but the vast majority of KRV activists are thugs. I reiterate, thugs. Antisocial elements in society are beginning to hide behind the KRV. The KRV is fast becoming a refuge of thugs.
4) Don’t know what you meant by ‘Your Bengali people’. As I mentioned I have stayed in Calcutta, I have kept in touch with a few friends who are Bengalis, and they are great, yes. Don’t know if this was what you meant.
5) My knowledge on the IITs might or might not be great. But your knowledge is certainly lacking. In that post which you are talking about, you said that there might be some ‘Politics of local colleges’ which prevents IITs from being set up here. Remember the following: India has 28 states, and only 7 IITs.You say that KA needs 2-3 IITs. Which is impractical, unreasonable and unrealistic. You talk of ‘Northy’ dominance in IITs. I tell you that Hyderbad has the highest density of IIT training centers. Telugus are highly aware of the IITs and the process. Why are there fewer Kannadigas? Because there is no awareness in Karnataka about the IITs. Stop looking at everything as if it is a huge conspiracy in place being masterminded by ‘Northies’. FYI, there is no IIT in Bihar and Jharkhand either. Why so many Biharis in IITs? I have turned your question around, can you answer it?
I feel, most of this Parochialism is the result of a ‘Frog in the well’ attitude. I have studied in several cities in the ‘North’, and never once have I felt like an outsider. Very very rarely, I have encountered some boys who tried to call me ‘Madrasi’ and poke fun on me. You find ragging and bullying in all schools, for every concievable reason. I used to answer them with my fists. In my school life, I have never ever felt alienated because of my being a South Indian.
But, what is the situation in Bangalore? One day sometime when the Rajkumar kidnapping incident happened, I had a puncture and was trying to mend it. I got a call on my mobile and I was speaking in Sanketi. Suddenly, out of nowhere, some bastard hooligans arrived with Kannada flags and started menacingly telling me, “Kannadadalli maatado, soole maga..” etc. etc.. because Sanketi sounds rather like Tamil. I had a female friend with me, and the rascals had the gall to bang on the window and ask her to get out, and were passing comments like, “Horage bare.. majaa maadtivi..”. I would have cracked their skulls if there had been fewer of them, but there were almost 15 of them.. cowards, do not dare to venture alone. I was forced to hastily leave, on the punctured tyre..
I have hundreds of first hand, second hand and third hand experiences and stories like this to narrate to you. I will tell you more later, you certainly need some education on Bangalore. Doubt if you know much sitting in Tokyo.
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@ Vinay
:)
I am not jumping to conclusions. My interpretation is based on your remarks. That’s all.
>1) Just like you are a Telugu by birth and have settled in Bangalore, I am a ‘Sanketi’ and my past 4 generations have settled in Bangalore I have observed that your posts always try to portray that Kannadigas are always good and Northies are always crap. Silly of you. <
Believe me, most of the Kannadigas I had met in Delhi were good and polite people. even in Tokyo, except for one or two. Kannadigas were very helpful.
Yes I am a Telugu from Bengaluuru, not settled. Get it?. that’s what I always try to say. Half of my relatives’ lands turned into layouts. good for them.
Of course I do know about Sanketi language and also know people who speak that language. There was a professor whom I respected a lot, speaker of that language in New Delhi. I also had a classmate in Bengaluuru who spoke that language and it sounded like a mix of Kannada and Tamil to me.
During my college days in New Delhi- I came across many people who always made fun of South and did not know anything about Karnataka and always called us Madrassis. They took pride in displaying their ignorance(intended?) on South. But they expected South Indians to know and aware of northern culture and hindi language. Their kind of rudeness is not seen in South: not in educational institutes atleast, (not in our karantaka society).
Very recently, when Mumbai had those anti-north indians galategalu, my classmate a north indian female who is marrried to a Maharashtra called me “Why people in the South are driving away North Indians? and she should have asked her husband instead of me. I am not from Maharashtra. It is this kind of ignorance and attitude that irritates me and makes me angry. I told her that she is asking a wrong person, and she should direct that question to her husband.
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You have been saying that and you have mentioned at the end of your mail about an incident. That’s ugly and bad. You should make a distinction between Raj Kumar supporters and KRV. If you think it is the KRV people who were involved, you can always send a mail to Mr. Narayana Gowda, explain your reasons/resentments(or send it to me, I will talk to him). People have no right, to stop you from speaking in your language.
They shouldn’t impose.
I have seen such “Kannada activists”, who tried to remove boards written in English or pelt stones at non-Kannada people houses in Bengaluuru.
They were college drop outs and such anti social elements.
They should be stopped from doing such things.
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>3) The agenda of the KRV is a noble one on paper, but the vast majority of KRV activists are thugs. 4 and 5I have hundreds of first hand, second hand and third hand experiences and stories like this to narrate to you. I will tell you more later, you certainly need some education on Bangalore. Doubt if you know much sitting in Tokyo.<
Thanks. I have some experiences where people refused to speak in Kannada and straight away started off in Hindi. The safety in the city has gone, that much I can say. My family keeps telling me not to venture out alone in Bengaluuru.
illi majjige sigolla. :)
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>4 and 5<
Bengalis, as friends may be ok to spend time. When it comes to especially academic positions in Universities or colleges, they will see to it : only Bengalis can enter those positions. Most of the Bengalis talk endlessly about leftist ideas in college corridors and actually support Bajrang dhals/shiva senas behind. Not frank about their ideas and they think they are THE INTELLECTUALS in India.
Most of the Biharis want to escape from the prevailing conditions in Bihar and they go away to study from bachelors’ degree days to other states.
95% of Bihari graduates attempt civil services. That’s why now, nearly 60% of Civil servants are from Bihar. More Biharis attempt entrance exams of IITs, or other good engineering colleges. They are more in number and proximity may be other reason.
I agree with you, there is no awareness among Karnataka people on IITs, Civil Services or other central institutes.
Parochialism is bad. But northy arrogance is very much there in many fields. I went to a restaurant on Commercial Street with my sis, brother and niece 2 years ago. there was this northy woman(bcoz she was speaking UP Hindi) with her mother giving dirty looks at us. It is full of disdain. We did not understand what we did to her. We were speaking in Kannada and Telugu. She was saying in Hindi “Oh these darkies”.
Can you see her arrogance?. I asked her “Any problem”. She kept quiet.
Would you feel comfortable among such north Indians?.
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Dr. Sree Reddy:
The point is, we Indians are the most racist people on this planet. We fool ourselves by constantly claiming that we are tolerant, gentle and so on. But in reality, there is much more racism within India than anywhere in the West.
But, it is not just a North-South thing. Here are a few gems:
Several North Indians call every Tamilian, Kannadiga, Telugu and Malayalee a ‘Madrasi’ and poke fun at them.
Almost everyone in the country mercilessly makes fun of Sardarjis and portray that they are all brawn and no brain, and are fools.
Anyone from the ‘North East’ is called a ‘Chinki’ by people in all regions in the country. Also, people assume that all ‘Chinki’ girls have loose morals and are ready to sleep with anyone at any time.
Marwaris are thieving misers, Bengalis are lazy morons, Biharis are uncultured louts, etc. etc. etc.. pages upon pages can be written about this.
Kannadigas have escaped any kind of stereotyping so far. But the levels of intolerance in the average Kannadiga these days shocks me. One of my friends, a Gowda, was forever cracking Sardar jokes, passing nasty remarks on a Manipuri girl, used to miss no chance to taunt Biharis.. but when one day, one person said something about the stupidity of Bangalore-wallahs for creating carnage on the death of Rajkumar, this Gowda friend of mine got wild and almost came to blows.
Alla saar, impression enu barutthe? What will a typical outsider think when they hear about this kind of thing?
I try my best to judge each individual on the basis on his personal traits, without resorting to stereotyping. Most of the Kannadigas I have met outside, prefer not to talk in Kannada. Nanage enu ivaaga? Avara ishta. Naanu avara hatthira Hindi athava English nalli maathaadthini, ashte.. Their personal choice – naanu yaake impose maakade hogli?
Point is, several people do not feel, hogli bidi, avara ishta. Well, be that as it may, point is: the problem lies within. Introspect, not externalize. There is no conspiracy targeted against Kannadigas. Kannadigas are the root of their own problem. In fact, we still have it better then some other regions – we have not been stereotyped yet, we are not ridiculed like Sardarjis are.. but intolerance and imposition will make that happen soon..
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Vinay,
Wonderful writing. I am a Kannadiga born and brought up in Delhi, and lived in Bangalore for last 10 years.
By my own experience i can tell that levels of intolerance in Bangalore (Bangaluru before i am beaten up by goons) are far higher than what i have witnessed in any other part of India. This was actually quite a shocker to me. Ultimately all languages are going to die and be replaced by something else, i don’t see what is the point of constantly shouting about it.
KRV are just a bunch of unemployed goons and nothing more. Much like what MNS.
And yes, lets not fool ourselves on our great culture and language etc. Indians remain the most racist people on earth, and i am ashamed that Bangalore is increasingly showing the way.
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