The Om-shaped beach at Gokarna
D.P. SATISH writes from New Delhi: In the run-up to the assembly elections in Karnataka and shortly after, B.S. Yediyurappa made an obscene number of visits to mutts and other seats of spirituality, falling at the feet of gurus, godmen and swamijis, big and small, and seeking their blessings to achieve his life’s ambition of becoming chief minister.
Now that he is in the saddle, is it payback time?
The conclusion is harsh, perhaps unjust, but inescapable.
The handing over of the Mahabaleshwara Temple in Gokarna (in Uttara Kannada district) to the Ramachandrapur mutt (located in Hosanagar, Shimoga district) on August 14 is the clearest indication yet that our so-called jagadgurus, who shamelessly cross the line from the spiritual to the temporal to the material, are now demanding (and extracting) their pound of the puliyogare.
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The temple transfer was reportedly made on the basis of documents that the temple was under the purview of the mutt till 1860. But by selectively and clandestinely “privatising” the administration and running of just one temple out of thousands in the State, Team Yedi has in one stroke, as it were, demonstrated that government work under the BJP is not God’s work but godman’s work.
Documents published in Gauri Lankesh‘s eponymous tabloid last week show that as recently as April this year, when the State was under President’s rule, the muzrai department had asserted that the Mahabaleshwara Temple was a “public temple” and that “there was no legal provision to transfer it to a private party or to a mutt“. So what changed between 1 April 2008 and 14 August 2008?
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Aside from the legality of the temple transfer, the issue throws up six larger questions:
1) If the Gokarna temple was under the purview of the Ramachandrapur mutt till the 1860s, then by extension it can be contended that almost all temples in the State were once a part of some mutt or the other. Is the government ready to outsource the running of all these temples back to the original mutts or claimants? If so, by when? If not, why not?
Is the government ready to allow Kurubas to take over the Sri Krishna temple in Udupi, if the kurubas make a similar demand? Will the Chamundeshwari Temple atop Chamundi Hills and the Sri Ranganatha Temple in Srirangapatna be transferred to Srikantadatta Wodeyar because they were built by the Mysore kings?
2) What is the connection between the Chief Minister’s Office and the Ramachandrapur mutt, aside from both being from the same area in Shimoga? Why has the mutt suddenly received preferential treatment, when Wodeyar says the Gokarna temple should have been transferred to the Shringeri Sharada Mutt, which has been around longer than the Ramachandrapur mutt?
3) In interviews, the head of the Ramachandrapur mutt and his devotees have been claiming that the temple transfer is part of a larger bid to clean up Gokarna, also known as Dakshin Kashi. The reference here is to the not-so-holy activities that take place on the holy beaches of Gokarna. If true, does the writ of the State no longer run here? And is only a mutt located in a neighbouring district qualified to rectify that?
4) Does such a midnight transfer of a public property into private hands threaten its democratic DNA? The Mahabaleshwara temple has always welcomed devotees from all castes and religions insides the shrine. They are even allowed to touch the ‘Athma Linga‘ and pray. Is the fear of lower-caste Hindus that they will no longer be allowed inside the ‘Garbha Gruha’ far-fetched?
5) Above all, the selective transfer raises troubling questions over transparency. As a profitable temple run by the muzrai department, the Gokarna temple’s administration, activities, programmes, were open to public scrutiny under the Right to Information Act. Will the public have similar access when a private mutt is given charge? The profits were earlier ploughed into the development of other, “poorer” temples across the State. Will that continue?
(An early indication of the shape of things to come. The mutt‘s representatives barged into the temple a day after the government issued the order and broke open the hundis. The mutt says it got just Rs 40 lakh; news reports say the collection was four to five times that sum.)
6) Will the Gokarna temple transfer open the floodgates? Sources say some Lingayat mutts are trying to grab at least two dozen profit-making muzrai temples in the State. Since nobody can now accuse Yediyurappa of favouring only Lingayats, will the path be paved by the government? And how much longer before Vokkaliga mutts, and Kuruba mutts, and mutts of other communities start putting in their applications?
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A website maintained by the Ramachandrapur mutt claims the mutt was established at Gokarna over 1,200 years ago by Adi Shankara who anointed one of his disciples Shree Vidyananda as the first pontiff. It is a mutt affiliated to the Shringeri Sharada Mutt. The heads of the mutt are known by the suffix, Bharati. They also have a title Gokarna Mahamandaladhishwara.
The mutt is mostly frequented by Havyaka Brahmins, a minuscule community scattered over the Western Ghats—in Madikeri, Puttur, Sulya, Kasaragod, Sagar, Hosanagar, Soraba, Siddapura, Sirsi, Yellapura, Kumta, Honnavara and Ankola taluks–who and grow betel nut and spices for livelihood. The total population of Havyaka Brahmins is less than 3 lakhs although a Wikipedia entry pegs the figure at 1 lakh. Half of them now live in Bangalore and other parts of the world.
Generally speaking, heads of the Ramachandrapur mutt heads have always kept to themselves and rarely mingled with the public and politicians.
All that changed in when the present head of the mutt Raghaveshwara Bharti (in picture, left) took charge in the mid 1990s after the death of his predecessor Raghavendra Bharati, who had reigned for 50 years.
Raghavendra Bharati had strictly followed the mutt’s traditions. He had never entertained politicians and businessmen, and was known as ‘Doorvasa‘ or ‘Jamadagni‘ because of his mood swings and short fuse. But, he was a scholar and a man of integrity. Nobody had the temerity to question his character, integrity and intentions. He was both feared and respected by his followers.
But the 7th standard pass Raghaveshwara Bharati (born Chaduravalli Hareesha Bhat alias Hareesha Sharma), who reportedly sees some Lingayat and Vokkaliga swamijis as models to emulate, altered the mutt‘s image and public perception.
Devotees say following his ascent, the mutt became more like a business establishment.
The Shringeri seer is believed to have admonished him for indulging in non–religious and non-spiritual activities. It seems to have had no impact on his ambitions.
Raghaveshwara Bharati is alleged to have opened the doors of the mutt to all manner of people, including politicians, cinema stars, brokers, businessmen, shady journalists, real estate developers, among others. Insiders say some Havyaka Brahmin journalists, jealous of the clout enjoyed by fellow Lingayat and Vokkaliga journalists, used him to increase their clout in the corridors of power.
Result: the real followers of the mutt were made to feel like second-class /grade devotees. Those who questioned him were targetted and silenced.
One more result: From being a seat of learning, the Ramachandrapur mutt slowly became a political hothouse of the RSS-VHP. Not soon after, Raghaveshwara Bharati started dictating terms to BJP leaders.
Overnight, the mutt became the epicentre of the “Save the Cow” movement. The Vishwa Gou Sammelana, organised by the mutt, was telecast over several hours by the Bangalore centre of Doordarshan, with director Mahesh Joshi playing a stellar role in the coverage.
Once almost bankrupt and obscure, the mutt is now said to be worth over Rs 100 crore. Credit of this phenomenal growth should go to the skills of Raghaveshwara Bharati and his coterie, which also includes former top cop T. Madiyal, who headed the Special Task Force to catch Veerappan.
Yediyurappa, who is also from the same Hosanagar area, is one of the latest entrants into the swamiji’s fold. He started hobnobbing with him only in 2006. The 2008 assembly polls brought them closer, and the swamiji is believed to have exhorted his followers to vote for the BJP.
The transfer of the temple following the BJP’s victory in the elections, comes against this backdrop. Raghaveshwara Bharati was reportedly eyeing Gokarna and its economic potential for a long time. He studied Sanskrit at Gokarna for 12 years and knows the real worth of its temples.
In turn, Yediyurappa believes that the temple-transfer will consolidate BJP vote bank in Malnad.
In divesting the government’s muzrai department from the administration of the temple, the BJP ironically has fulfilled a key “secular” demand to keep “State” apart from “Religion”, but the fact that it has done so with regard to only one temple, raises more questions than provides answers.
Last Sunday, on a live, one-hour question and answer session on “Chandana”, with DD director Mahesh Joshi once again in the frame, Raghaveshwara Bharati looked smug and dismissive.
A caller from Kumta said: ‘Beedi nayi bogalidre, devaloka halagalla. Mahaswamigale, thaavu yaarigoo uttara needa-bedi (swamiji needn’t answer every barking dog on the temple transfer)”. Raghaveshwara Bharati approvingly nodded his head.
Does it mean that people like Siddaramaiah, S. Bangarappa, H.D. Deve Gowda, and Mallikarjuna Kharge, who are openly opposing the transfer, are no better than stray dogs questioning a divine deal?
Photographs: courtesy Outlook Traveller, and Gou Vishwa Kosha
Also read: What role should our swamijis, religious gurus play?
CHURUMURI POLL: Should swamijis go abroad?
I’d like to correct an error in the writeup- The Sr Ranganathaswamy temple at Srirangapatna was built by the Ganga ( Kongu) rulers in the 9th Century and was improved upon by lots of other people reflecting the Ganga, Hoysala and Vijayanagara traditions of architecture. The DH Correspondent who attributes it all to the kings of Mysore was thinking and talking throu his/her nether hole. Shows how dunbed down our entire media is – jus’ like our politiciand and MUTT heads.
what sort of ministry of information edict is it to insinuatingly label a community ‘minuscule’? and since when did numbers start dictating whether a community could organize under a matha and practice religion?
all this pitching in for transparency, open books and separation of mathas and mantris warms the cockles of my heart.
just that please to stick to this line of thought and figure out why a mathaadipathi, for example, called as John Dayal, hobnobs with politicians and media, if RTI is applicable to his mathas and their monies and expressly question why government has outsourced egalitarianism and social justice to his mathas. if there is no social justice, does this mean the writ of the government does not run in India’s hills and forests and towns and cities?
dripping with the worst kind of politics this post is.
What sort of journalism is this ? Just accusations ??
First let the govt come out of temple keeping business. The author should first talk about temple money being diverted to churches and mosques – before he talks about any of the policy issues.
DP Satish….
If by transferring Gokarna devasthaana to Ramachandrapura Matha, there is any improvement in Gokarna, I am all for it. Because the last time I was there, there was less religious activity and more of hippy culture there.
Also, you should read what Pratap Simha has written in Vijaya Karnataka about this issue. I mean there is a limit to be the dudhead… wake up soon.
First things first. How about banning all Matts, Madrasas and Churches before we talk of transferring one matt to another/ muzarai/ diverting money to madrasas?
Why is there a muzarai department to oversee only hindu religious establishments and not church and mosques? If we really have to practice secularism, keep the government out of all religions and religious establishments. For the huge revenue the government earns from temples, the temple priests are paid a pittance of salary and have to subsist on subhuman conditions.
Compare this with self governance of churches and mosques and the amount of prime real estate property both of these religions are hoarding.
Abhi
Not going to happen……. Mathas… yes. churches and madarasas …. our secular brigade will cry their eyes out :)
Swami Raghaveshwara Bharti’s “save the cow” movement is the best in our state’s history. The swami has inspired thousands in the cause of that bountiful, gentle, animal. To harness the cow’s benefits while protecting its nativity, dignity and reverence, is widely accepted as a task of national importance. My father, who participated in the Vishwa Gou Sammelana mentioned, believes the Ramachandrapur Mutt is sincere, inspired and effective in leading that movement.
Mr. Satish asks some excellent questions, but has he heard of Henri Fayol, the classical management guru? Delegation of authority is part of classical management theory. The Yeddi government seems to have delegated some of its authority to a clearly well-respected expert, the Ramachandrapura Mutt.
What does concern me, however, is Mr. Satish’s well-articulated speculation that Mr. Yeddyurappa could use the precedent to transfer not just authority but also public resources, and not just to a well-respected expert, but to a business-oriented “quid pro quo swami” — such as the swamis of the Suttur or Adichuchunagiri Mutts.
The Suttur and Adichunchunagiri Mutts have consistently failed to create/nurture excellence in any area of philosophy/education/theology. They are merely riding piggyback on Hindus’ appreciation of spiritual accomplishment and vairagya. Those two Mutts, generally speaking, are a prime example of wasted resources and betrayed faith. They are backed by powerful caste-obsessed politicians of the Veerashaiva and Vokkaliga communities — perhaps that makes some difference? Is it easier for critics like Mr. Satish to go after the “minuscule” Havyaka Brahmin community which has zero political clout? Mr. Satish’s patronizing comment about the Havyakas doesn’t support his argument. There is clearly little electoral advantage the Havyakas can offer the BJP or any other party. My own impression of Havyakas is that they tend to be brilliant, hard-working, straight-talking folks.
The Suttur and Adichunchunagiri Mutts, on the other hand, are oceans of mediocrity. They are white elephants — like most madrassas. Lots of high quality input, but little and poor quality output. I’d like to see Mr. Satish, or some other journalist, expose those Mutts.
Satish, I see some valid points in the first part of your post – the deal seems to be biased and raises several questions and can open a pandora’s box. But in the second part, in your characteristic style, you hurl accusations after accusations without giving any supporting evidence. Of course, there is a mitigation clause when you say ‘according to devotees’ but that is not enough for the kind of sweeping allegations you make.
I am disgusted with all these mutts, and the places of worship of all hues and all religious affiliations. But, they are necessary evils just as the state and the police, and we have to put up with all these nonesense resulting out of their political roles (I doubt if they play any spiritual role at all) as long as we think we need them…Anyway, hats off to you for writing about yet another issue which the mainstream media thinks is too politically sensitive – like KRV, R.Abhimani Vedike etc – to comment
One more thing…at a networth of Rs 100 crore it is still one of the poorest Mutts, I think. Comparatively speaking…
J H Patel Government had written off the tax on a helicopter gifted to a Swamiji who strangely is given a beacon-light fitted security cover by the State!!! When an honest lady officer held back the file pertaining to the same swamiji’s demand for a piece of land (of course for some ‘charity’ purpose), the Patel government suspended her….And the same swamiji says in one of the public functions: ‘IAS and IPS officials from our community come to me for transfers and postings but when I request them something they cite laws!!!!’
I heard in one of the Mutts in central Karnataka issues B form to the candidates of all parties contesting within ‘its jurisdiction’!!!
So Sri Sri Sri Raghaveshwara Bharati Swamiji is only a part of a glorious tradition which we all have allowed to flourish by our collective silence…That people of similar standing in other religious too indulge in all that is but a poor excuse, isn’t it?
@Abhi,
Why ban religious institutions ? That should be the last thing to do. All institutions have a purpose to do. So long as they do it, let them remain. If they are not doing it, make them do it.
There is no need to bring the name of a honest police officer Mr. T Madiyal, who retired as the DG of Karnataka in this connection. And he doesn’t belong to Shimoga dist at all. If a police officer can help a bankrupt mutt to become so rich what can a PM/CM doto amutt/masjiod/church. Attributing motives should be stopped in responsible journalism……
who is this ignoramus idiot holding forth on ‘all castes can touch the idol’? touching the idol is a matter of protocol. just like the diplomatic protocols dealing with sarkozy’s GF or an extra constituional Sonia Gandhi’s visit to Beijing. Even a Vidhyabhusana (formerly theerta), who chose to wear the samsaari yagnopaveetha, after having discarded it during his tenure as an a-samsaari maThaadeesha, would not be able to touch idols in any South indian temple as a matter of protocol. Forget sundry brahmins. In North India he can and so can sundry others. Neither can you recieve the holy sacrement(basically theerta prasada) in a catholic church if you are not a baptised catholic, even if you have been visiting the church for more than a year, as i did. Atleast in Hindu temples, once you are in, which in most mujrai temples amounts to everybody, you are all treated the same – untouched serving of theerta and prasada. Let me know if you are similarly allowed to partake in a mosque or a church.
now if you have fundamental issues with all the discrimination it is different, but if you are only writing articles to pad your resume, not the time and place to do it with half baked understanding of history and current goings on. Atleast Hindu temples, for all their warts, are open to criticism and accountability even by half baked and self appointed experts of all that is good and noble, you couldn’t say that about other haliburtons and saudis of spirituality.
i have to either congratulate the author for chiding the matha in trying to emulate the parasites of secularism – the church and the mosque or point out his duplicity.
vasudhaiva kautambikam only works when everybody believes there is a kutumba and it is worth preserving. It is not possible to preserve the idea of a woman as a mother, sister,daughter, neice or a friend or the idea of a man as a fater, brother, son, nephew or a friend if all you allow free reign to perverts who think of all females/males as potential mates.
perverts who think of all females/males as potential mates.
Temple = A place of religious congragation for the purpose of worshiping a diety.
Mutt or MaTTa (Monastery) = A residence of a religious community.
In reality there is a slight difference separating the above two entities. Temples are meant for casual religious congregation, where as a monastery is meant for a continuous religious engagement by spiritually inclined.
Government = the system by which a community or other entities are governed.
While logic might dictate Government has a responsibility to govern everything, there is a limit. In a democracy, government is not supposed to govern the spiritual and religious matters of people. But, in India, with its crazy twist to secularism, it does.
So, as the author argues, it is best that govt. gets out of the business of governing places of religious congregation and leave it to people whose only work is spiritual/religious activity.
The best thing govt. can do is make it mandatory for all Spiritual Entrepreneurs (like SSS Ravishankar or Raghaveshwara Bharati) to be audited, and taxed just like any other entity, and using the tax money to provide some minimal facility any govt. should provide (like roads and other infrastructure).
There is bound to be corruption in any public entity. And a Mutt or temple is no exception. It is stretching the limits of belief to think that Muzurai department is not corrupt. The difference is that, most spiritual entrepreneurs, while being corrupt as any other guy, have efficiency and growth in Mind. So, they try and divert the money to more productive and growth purposes.
In turn, they build hospitals Like Vaidehi (Saibaba Built in Whitefield) or education centers built by so many innumerable mutts or temples (Dharmastala SDM colleges springs to mind).
When was the last time Govt. built anything of value??
Stop being prejudiced before writing such biased articles
ella uri ita ide, commie, vaidika shatru, tikkalugaLige. They would rather have all temples under government and divert all the money collected from devotees to terrorists.
5) Above all, the selective transfer raises troubling ….
As a profitable temple run by the muzrai department, t…….the Right to Information Act.
OK, that hit the spot. The Hindu temples are only a profit center for the wasteful spending of the government.
Its a simple issue. Hindu organization(s) run Hindu temples all over India, as in case of Muslims, Christians. There are few exceptions as in Kerala, TamilNadu, Karnataka.
It was in the manifesto of BJP that they will hand the temples back to Hindu Group(s). And they are following it.
Why should the so called ‘secular’ government try to manage temples?
All temples should be managed by Hindus who believe in Hindu Gods and in the respective temple deities.
Dipsey!
I have lot more respect for street dogs when compared to the likes of Yeddy, Dirty Devegowda, Sidda, Kharge and the lot!
Its very simple.. These Mutts help to organise the vote bank for BJP and give a base for VHP Bajrang Dal activities. Now its the time for Govt. to give something back, and what Mutts expect in return is some thing which help them make some fast bucks.
I can see a wonderful future for ‘Secular India’.
In near future you can see ministers appointing this ‘Saamijis’ as ‘The state Purohiths’ and may take their advises on all administration matters as it used to be in older times.
In Congress ruled states, administration has gone to the dogs.
In BJP ruled states, administration has gone to the mutts.
Regarding the Sree Krishna Matha why should it be handed over to Kurubas. It was Shri Madvacharya who created this. The great saint Shri Kanakadasa was part of the Madva lineage of saints. Shri Kanakadasa has himself eulogized Shri Madhva and his own lineage. Shri Kanakadasa was from the Kuruba community. So what. And who are the modern day community of Kurubas related to Shree Udupi Krishna matha who are followers of the Dwaitha vedanta philosophy of Shri Madvacharya.
The very name Muzrai was given by the muslim rulers who usurped Hindu religious places and extracted the tax out of them. Do you know what is the salary of priests in Muzrai temples. The headpriest of Sri Ranganathaswami temple in Srirangapatna gets a salary of 3,500 rupees per month. The junior preists get any thing from 2000 to 1000 rupees. There are other Muzrai temples like the banavasi temple in sagar where the salaries are in the range of 400 to 800 rupees per month. The administration of Hindu temples are based on the old muslim model of governance of Kafir temples. The temples are also neglected. It is time these are prvitized and given to erstvile mathas like Ramachandrapur mathas, lingayath mathas, adichuncanagiri mathas. As the money to these temples come from the visiting Hindus it should go back to their community development as is the case in many temples owned by erstwhile mathas.
Do you know how much money is collected in the hundis of these temples. Where does the money go. Into the pockets of the corrupt government officials. SO shut up Gowri lankesh and folks. We dont need to be taught lessons by you. You can wallow in your bleeding heart liberal attitude in your kafiristan.
One more deplorable write up which has no balance in its opinion nor in its language.
I have a point to make of the language used here. “7th standard pass” – What does this mean? If an educated bombast like you can write such motley rhetoric, how can you look down upon higher primary education. Overall, the article conveys nothing and only is a reflection of the poor quality of journalism prevalent and also of the lack of reasoning ability in journalists like Mr.Satish.
I earnestly request journalists like Mr. Satish to think objectively before penning down words. Let not your writing be a mere extension of your emotions rather let it be a confluence of well reasoned and articulated thoughts. Let there be dignity in writing. Any form of literature is different from spoken tongue (which is merely communicatory) and deserves to be treated with utmost regard. Please try and write more sensible articles.
Gowri Akka and her paper is right. Her father was even more right. THe money from Hindu temples should go to the government as they have many important things to provide funds for. How will they subside the Haj travel for the people belonging to the most peaceful religion on earth. How will they provide awards, grants, travel expenses to eminent socialogists, writers, historians like romila thapar, Irfan habib, U R Ananthamurthy and others. Where will the money come for their scholarships and foreign travels. Should they not educate the world about the horrors of Hinduism. And how dare hindus should have autonomous temples owned by trusts of their community when for the last 1000 years they were debarred from owning it. The government should take complete control of temples and even auction the valuables artifacts from these temples in Sotheby. Hindus should understand that they are Dhimmis and their only salvation is to pay their Jiziya tax till they get converted to the most peaceful religion on earth or the most populated religion on earth.
Typical D P Satish article! Keep going, such an entertainment!
DPS,
Please reveal your religious allegiance(if any) too!
alla nam deshad democratically elected leadersge Visa cancel maaDtare bere deshadavaru, ill treat maaDtare… aadre ee social security mele badukO hippies ge yaake ashtond period du Visa kODbEku nam desha?
matte Mutt andre mut nODkOLOhaage hODibEku!
hakara horLalva?
Satish, First verify the facts. that’s very important while filing the story. I can find at least a dozen factual mistakes in this write up. I think you have some malacious intentions.
tarlesubba, you said it dude.
@chet: Who said the Ramachandrapura matha represents all Hindus?
Santosh..”malicious intentions..” you have rightly pointed out.
DPS
What are your qualifications?
Are you the most qualified person on earth ?
If not, how can you hold a person who is “7th std pass” with contempt ?
Wait a min.. I am more qualified than you (getting a PhD next convocation)… so I can say
“Just a jujubi degree holder ranting……without facts or thought”
(My grouse is just as Prashant Bhat…..watch the language of writeup)
SoulTruth,
A very witty observation:)
@pedda, I did not say that Ramachandrapura matha represents all Hindus. In fact, there is no person or institution or organization that can claim to represent all Hindus. Please read my statement again.
DPS makes mere allegations without any proof. That is not good journalism. By the way, he also needs some English tutoring. The word he should be using is ‘matha’. A ‘matha’ is not a ‘mutt’, which has a totally different meaning. Actually for writing this type of an article he could be called a ‘mutt’.
Just one sided article, without full information.
I can just laugh and IGNORE it.
Hello Mr. Satish,
For your kind information Hayvaka’s are not fond of puliyogare. Havyaka’s are one community
who does not have any political back ground, but very intelligent, hard-working and peace-loving
people. They are one of very-well educated community.
And for your kind information Shree Shree Raghaveshwara Bharati is doing his P.hD. And he is not
considering any other swamijee’s as his rolse models. In that case by this time there would few
engineering and medical colleges started by Ramachandrapur matt.
Have control on the words when you write some thing. Dont sit in some corner of the world and write
some crap.
Kindly publish the proofs also for whatever you have written. It is India so you are saved, otherwise
by this time you would be behind the bars for publishing false news.
Whether or not the so called places of worship should be privatised or not is an issue worth debating but even if we accept that they should be privatised who is Yediyurappa or any chief minister for that matter to just randomly pick up a temple and hand it over to some mutt or some individual. I am not here to question the persons but when the government does something, it should act according to some rules and in a way which does not give rise to any doubts of bias. By the way, why hasn’t anyone moved the court against this decision of the government if it is unfair!!!
Agreed names of well meaning people like T Madiyal should not have been dragged into this article… Yes it is India so Satish could write this article. And it is India and so, and only so, the government could get away with doing what it has done….
hai dp
ha ha ha Good joke written by you
Dear DP,
I think, you are suffering from some serious problem. Please come to Bangalore. Definitely you lost your control. NIMHANS nalli olle doctors iddare. Treatment kodisuva vyavaste madona….
Yarappa idu…
sum sumne illi eneno baridaane. 7ne class odidavrige prapancha enu anta gottagalva? adke digree ne madbeka? astu gottilde iro ee vyakti alli kelsa yaru kotru?
ivru yavagladru gokarna nodidaara? alli baro bhaktaranna sulige mado bhattaranna nodidaara? ramachandrapura math enu anta ivrige gotta? gurugula bagge gotta?
enu gottilde adge maneli kutgondu article baritaralla ivru… nachke agbeku.
ramachandrapura math kke est jana bhaktaru idaare anta gotta? ivara prakara alli baroru 7ne class ginta kadme iroru anta aytu. ivrginta buddinalli savira palu uttama iroru bartare swami. baroralli yaru daddaralla. math or gurugalu sari illa andre yaru bartare. jana barodu gurugalu nodi.
ivrige thakattu idre astu janaranna sangatane madli. ee janmadalli alla innu 10 janma hutti bandru agolla.
maryadeyagi bareyodanna kaliri.
Naayi boglidre (baradre) devaloka halagolla.
Hello,
We were treating Mr. DP Sathish as a responsible journalist. But after going through this scrap written by him we want to add his name in the list with names containing Dr. UR Ananthamoorthy, Ravi Belagere, Gouri Lankesh, TV 9 and such other irresponsible fellows with biased mindset.
I suggest Mr. Sathish to visit Gokarna first then to talk with Raghaveshwara Bharathi swamiji and get facts and also to correct the factual mistakes in the article. You can not write a full pledged article by sitting in another corner of the country. Moreover why are you worrying about a ‘minuscle’ community? Remember you have to take more care in the language which you use.
Satish,
What a brilliant discovery….(copy paste from other media’s…!!!!!).
When I started reading the article I had some curiosity but later I realised that it was an unfair article and your intension was to degrade Shree Ramachandrapura mutt as well as Guruji,
Please try to get an appointment with Shree Shree Raghaveshwara Bharti Swamiji and solve your all doubts rather than opening a way to have such kind of unhealthy discussions.
………….I REALLY FEEL PITY FOR YOU……MAY GOD BLESS YOU…..!!!!!!!
Mr Satish, I would really appreciate your writing skills. You have very nice writing skill that hides the truth and says the all-bogus story. Freedom of writing is being able to write freely without censorship. But to be honest, the right to freedom of writing, speech is not absolute in any country, although the degree of freedom varies greatly. So, that means everyone has the right to write anything unless and until it won’t affects others emotion. I presume that being a writer as well as an educated person you must be knowing all those things.
However, article really concerns me a lot. This is the one of the best example how one can conceal the truth and say some thing very irrelevant by so called “Buddijivigalu” who all are coming from very highly educated and sitting in a very top and responsible post. I have no context for the rest of the post, and so, I will stick with just the Math and the other stuff that Author has mentioned here.
It seems author must be influenced by one of the Great Buddijivi of Karnataka “Gauri Lankesh”, one of the most excellent liar and blackmailer in the State and famous for hiding the truth. As per I know the article nowhere related to the truth and 100 % bogus. It’s seems you are not much aware of anything about Math and its History. You are very keen only in those points that only Buddijivigalu like you can only think.
Dear Mr.Satish initially I would like to know few things from you.
Have you ever had a chance to talk to any one who knows real story about the Gokarna? Or have you ever had a chance to visit to the Gokarna Mahabaleshwara Temple (not to Om beach or any other resorts as you people usually go)?
Have you ever had a chance to meet his holiness Shree Gurugalu (as you mentioned he studied only till 7th standard)?
I would like to say the transfer of the temple were transparent. Because, the hundis has been opened in the present of the Local MLA, Taluka Panchayat President, Grama Panchayat President, Bank officers and others. And also this is the first time that all the calculation made it in a proper way and the collection was very more than the last time (please don’t argue by saying its because of inflation), Why didn’t you mentioned this in your so-called real Story. Also why don’t you take your CNN team to Gokarnas different Banks that have lot more corores of Rs are in the name of your supporters?
In addition to this, my friends and I were on trip to Gokarna and other places last week and we used this opportunity to talk to local people, shop owners and others while we were in Gokarna (and please don’t ask me don’t you have any other work. we managed this along with our trip). And the answer was unanimous. That is they are all in favour of the Government decision, in particularly in favour of Matha. And only few Archakas (that you are supporting them) opposing the decision because here onwards they cant do any illegal business in the surrounding of the temple premises.
Also you have raised question of what’s the relation between Matha and CMs Office because of one reason. Even I would like to ask you a question, being from the same district what was the reason that you wrote this bullshit story that represent 0% truth? even though the Shree Gurugalu has been mentioned many times in public that Temple is open for all and will continue all its tradition as it is. I hope you are a educated person and I believe you can understand the Kannada as well ( as you mentioned about the Gurugala interview in Chandana), still I don’t know why did you written this kind of story. It’s really a shame on you that you used very unethical language on some one who is doing so much work to the society.
Furthermore, I have no doubts that Satish just want to criticize the Matha or wants to satisfied his friends like Gauri Lankesh or Ravi Belegere. He didn’t know what’s happening back at the Matha. Yes, it’s arguable that he could have clarified with many who knew about it before writing, but i think that’s what he is, he prefers penning down his thoughts. Now think about it this way, there are not just few, but lot more people who don’t understand the effort of Matha (like so called Buddijivigalu) to keep the culture intact in us. We won’t stop any one any day, rather I think just tell them what’s happening and that’s it. If they like it fine, if they don’t, they will never, no point in arguing.
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Even I was in the impression that Churmuri is out of all this bogus stories. But now I think I need to change all my opinion after seeing all this story.
I support Mr. Naveen.
very good reply. well written.
Satish has writeen a biased article.Please visit gokarna it is not a sacred place but a jolly place for these hippies who just survive on drugs and you can see bikini wearing women .The people who are opposing the decision is just money-minded archakas who bargain for everything and are experts in grabbing money from tourists.Every family here supports govt decision i has a very bad experience during my lost visit to Gokarna as these archakas demand huge amount of money for everything. AS ramchandra pura mutt is doing number of good deeds which is protecting cows which is our true hindu culture. Even i support naveen down with gowri lankesh and ravi belagere, please do not listen to them .
Thanks a lot for all your ‘valuable’ comments. But I stand by each and every word.
Your aspersions over my caste, religion, beliefs, motivations, etc, are totally irrelevant to the debate. They are also vague, wild, illogical and fanatical. I do not want to dignify them with clarifications.
It is not for me to question the belief of bhaktas in a mutt or a swamiji, but it is certainly within every journalist’s rights to question the preferential treatment given by a democratically elected government to one mutt and to one temple so soon after coming to power, and without the necessary debate and discussion that should preface such a major decision.
Those questions will be asked if it is a temple or a mutt, a mosque or a mullah, a church or a padre, a gurudwara or a sant. In this case, it turns out that it is a temple and a mutt. Tough.
No private individual or organisation has a right over publicly owned temples managed by the government’s muzrai department. And no government has the right to gift away its rights to those whom it pleases, as it pleases. By the current benchmarks, the government may hand over your village, town, or locality to some mutt, just because the local, democratically elected administration is deemed ‘bad’ or ‘weak’ by those in power. How democratic would that be?
The intentions of the Yediyurappa government in transferring the temple to the Ramachandrapur Mutt may be honourable, as indeed its motivations. But it needs to place them on the ground before the
people to judge, instead of viewing those who question the decision with suspicion.
Likewise, the reputation and intentions of the Mutt and the record of the swami may be beyond dispute in the eyes of devotees. But they too need to show just why they have been handpicked for this honour instead of indulging in shadow-boxing.
Bulldozing the opposition, branding the naysayers, questioning the motives, etc, will not do.
We are still a Democracy. No mutt or swami, no mosque or mullah, no church or padre, no gurudwara or sant is above it. Nor indeed is any government or chief minister.
ps: Gauri Lankesh is not my friend. I don’t know her and I did not quote her in my original story. Her name was inserted by churumuri to buttress the point I was making.
In a recent statement published in VK, the CM has said to the effect that the local Gram panchayat, Taluk panchayat and Zilla panchayat had passed resoultion to request the government to handover the Gokarna Temple to Ramachandrapur Matha. Has the reporter verified these details? I belive this is fair representation of people. So it was not as if whole thing was done in the dark as the reporter claims. If the only allegation of the reporter against the government was about ‘secrecy’, then this should settle the issue. The reporter then can say he is happy with this report. Then neither the govt will look at the those who question the decision with suspicion, nor should the reporters look at the govt. with suspicion.
Secondly i didnt read the reporter writing againt 123 agreement – one more secret document.
The reporter statement “No private individual or organisation has a right over publicly owned temples managed by the government’s muzrai department. And no government has the right to gift away its rights to those whom it pleases, as it pleases.” will be judged at the court. I believe the reporter wants to air his opinion here rather than interpret provisions of law.
Now my question to reporter: Good that you stand by your every word. But do you still claim that it is fair journalism to mention “the swami is 7th standard pass” (may be a fact, but irrelevant to govt secrecy etc.) and “The Shringeri seer is believed to have admonished him ” (whats the basis for this belief ?)
THE SRI MUTT WILL IMPROVE GOKARNA ..
if u are a feet licker of gowri and her followers
i can t help !!
I would like to request Mr D P Satish to through the following link http://media4cow.blogspot.com . I hope this will help him to get the answer for his questions. As you said this is the Democracy and Gokarna has witnessed for this yesterday. The reliable sources said that more than 50000 people were attended the Mahasakalppa program and many representative of the Indian citizens too.
If you do not have any authority to write your own article (you said that churmuri has added Gowri Lankeshs argument) carefully than what kind of a journalist you are? Please stay on your word…no one can change you…
Hi,
Gov.t has done a good job. By the way, anybody can write anything in this churmuri without moderation is it. Strange!
Hi All,
Before discussing any of these issues i would like all readers to known the following things.
1.Before commenting anything please get into the topic very well i mean know the issue and documents realated to it and then comment on it.
2.If u r commenting see that u have a proof of it.
Regarding the transfer of Gokarna temple to Matta sorry it would be worng if i tell transfer as I am sorry to tell that gokarna temple was never under the government control .it is for ur information that it was managed by the matta under the trustees right before we got our independence . In 2006 the last trustee expired and the question arrived about how ,Who has to manage it?
Then it was the muJarayi or the committe had put forwarded to the government and also had discussions with the High court judges regarding this.Then As suggested by the Committe and set of judges a appeal was made to Matta whether they will be carrying forward the task of managing it for which Matta had agreed.This is the thing which happened.I would like all the readers to know this before commenting on these issue.By the way i dont thing yediyurappa was C.M. then….Also it was a coalation government which had been in existence…if i am not wrong….?.
And this process started in 2006 then no one discouraged it….
Actually everyone agreed then.Regarding all parties. I would like to comment that local Gram panchat,taluk Panchayat,Zilla Panchayat is headed by BJP,Congress,JDS and all other party members who have agreed this Long back..The Transfer took nearly 2 years with proper procedure in the presence of thashildar,AC,DC etc who are the government representatives….
There is also an comment that the matta belongs to Brahmins which purely wrong one as matta cant be anyones….
Note:Politicians are making bread with these things we are stupid fellows who r hearing all these things.
The important thing is it is too early to comment on the mattas we will wait and watch how they manage the things and improve the area.
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Hi All,
If u have any queries you can put up and discuss the things….
Hi Satish ,
I would like to comment on the following Qouted by you
“Once almost bankrupt and obscure, the mutt is now said to be worth over Rs 100 crore. Credit of this phenomenal growth should go to the skills of Raghaveshwara Bharati and his coterie”
I am feeling petty on your part that though u write the things in an appealing manner but does not have proper background or proof to convey the meaning.
I just want to comment that whether you know the financial conditions of mutt before or now ?. I here by appreciate you for putting the things in such a manner that it out races the politicians.
I also thank you on behalf of all for taking up the issue through which people arround us have come to know about mutt and thier activities which are helping the people arround.
I heard that if things are made as public or an issue then related person or organization will be known to all of us else it would not be public.
Thank you once again!!!!!
hi, Why all matts wants only proffitable temple, if tey rially want improve the temple tere r thousands of unprofitable temple, which r nt in good condition, no one want improve ment, only thing behind this is moneyyy,.and temple should nt transformed to any comunity, bec fr gokarna temple all cast devotees r tere, its fully wrong.
Hi,
Mr.Harish can i know the meaning of Profitable temple…?
please request you to write ur view in a broad way..i mean clearly with adding some more things to it
hi Pramod, profitable means, the temple which have good money collectin . people or mats having eye on tem only, if tey rially want improve temple tere r thousands of temple in karnataka , which rially nt in good condition, bt low income, in village etc.. so no one interested..evne lobby r tere to controll subramanya, kollur etc..Gokarna hapend same..
Hi,
This will be become good or bad decision we will come to know after a year or so. Every one see lot of money at Gokarna Temple. Like our politicians , today Guru of Matts also behind it. If Matt can govern in a better way and give the account for the money spent and collected people will aceept it. Then this may become good change to all.
We need wait and watch.
THE DEMONS LIKE LANKESH(RAVANA)WERE DESTROYED BY SRI RAMA!.
THE DISGUSTING & INSANE DAUGHTER OF LANKESH(RAVANA)SHALL ALSO BE VANQUISHED FOR BARKING AT A DEVOTEE OF LORD SRI RAMA!.
WELL,LIKE ALWAYS SAID,FILTH CANNOT MALIGN A LOTUS OR GANGES!.
NO MATTER WHAT A DEMONIAC FORCE DOES,IT CANNOT HARM THE DIVINE!.(INCLUDING POLITICAL FILTHS LIKE SIDDARAMAIAH OR THE DERANGED KHARGE!)
FEARLESS!
SHOORA
DPS says:
=>We are still a Democracy. No mutt or swami, no mosque or mullah, no church or padre, no gurudwara or sant is above it. Nor indeed is any government or chief minister.<=
Do not preach the obvious; we do not need education on democracy, equality, pluralism etc.
We loathe the hypocracy, double standards and selective secularism practiced by the dushtha-buddhee-jeevis. We have no reason to believe your intentions are good for the nation.
Now, you have a very big problem.
Your ilk, to put it mildly, has lost credibility.
yaru yaro swamiji bagge bardre devaloka halagalla..swamiji bagge kettadagi bardovru yavathu uddara agalla….anuvasthera nivella..bardittu kolli…mado ollekelsakke sath kodi ad bittu sumne swamiji bagge eno kettadagi badru halagi hog bedi..thu nimm makakke..
recently guys have not taken notice of happenings?at gokarna
its an appropriate time to startagain about devlokd swami to make him understand he is in the earth
1. how dharma is beeing propagated by guru? at gokarna
2. is there any real development work at gokarna by an occassional performer only up to a get to gather party arrangements/?
3.how the collections of his earlier melas were disposed off?
4.is it a clean shaving in the name of offerings as compared to earstwhile
offerings?
5.in the name of free ganga supply of krishnayyashetti how inr 100.00 is charged at mahabaleshwara temple?
5. how anuchana parampara is violated?
6. how the human rights are being voilated?
do u know there is even sereies of proxy applications to government,take over bids of temples.like smashankali ganapathi etc.
Better use your writing skills for some other things. You would do well as a journalist in Hai Bangalore and that kind of newspaper. Better luck there don’t fool around with literate public who browse the net. Quite cheap of you.
The wiki page that churumuri provides to prove that Havyakas are a of minuscule community says that the total population of Havyakas is 12,00,000. How do I read this? Is this 3 lakhs or 1 lakh? I have not even passed 4th standard. Please help me in this.