NIKHIL MORO writes from Mount Pleasant, Michigan: The religious violence in Udupi and Chikmagalur, caused by the “rising anger over Christian conversions,” shows two things different this time round.
First, “the other” is not Muslim but Christian—Catholics, Baptists and Pentacostals. Second, the venue is not Orissa/ Gujarat but pristine Karnataka.
The 207 members of India’s Constituent Assembly, hardly kindred souls otherwise, recognized that protecting the identity and dignity of minorities would be the agni pariksha of India’s liberal democracy. That’s how Articles 25 and 26 emerged as guarantors of religious freedom.
Now, a freedom may be properly defined not in the positive but in the negative. That is, to truly understand religious freedom we need to know its limit: How far may Indians go in practicing and propagating a chosen religion?
Hindu dharma, famously, has no theory of proselytisation.
But some other faiths do: Islam and Christianity, particularly, have adherents who may assume a religious duty to convert, to evangelise, to save souls. So the limits prescribed to Articles 25 and 26 may be better understood in a context of those faiths.
What are the limits?
There are a few, but one is particularly confounding – “public order.”
For example, Article 25 establishes sustenance of “public order” as a condition to the right to practice and propagate religion. It states, “Subject to public order. . . all persons are equally entitled to. . . the right to freely profess, practice and propagate religion.”
Article 26 mandates that “subject to public order” may religious institutions be established.
India’s Supreme Court, classically liberal in interpreting freedoms of expression, has struggled to interpret “public order,” a phrase which appears about ten times in the Constitution.
And that may be the crux of the controversy: What exactly is “public order”?
Some Indian States have successfully argued that religious conversion is in itself a deficiency of “public order.” It’s an argument upon which at least four States have adopted laws which forbid religious conversion by “force,” “allurement,” or “inducement,” terms which Christian missionaries criticise as vague or overbroad. In those states—Madhya Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Chattisgarh and Orissa—illegal conversions attract imprisonment as well as civil fines.
Some Hindu leaders contend that to target the poor, the illiterate or those disadvantaged by caste is predatory or inherently unethical, as those converts came from social circumstances which pre-empted any informed or independent judgment.
Others go as far as to dub conversions a form of social violence with severe effects on regional demographics and local cultures.
But terrible as it is, violent reaction to religious conversion finds little record in India’s history, ancient or medieval—not even in the accounts produced by invading forces (not by indigenous peoples) such as those of Alexander (4th century BC), Ghazni Mahmud (11th century AD), Ghori Muhammad and the Turks (12th century), Timur (14th century), Babur (16th century), the East India Company (17th-18th century) and the British Raj (mid-19th century).
Regardless of one’s position on religious conversion, violence against minorities is clearly a cancer: Political scientists may have no consensus on what democracy means, but they all agree the meaning would include protections for minorities.
If Karnataka home minister V.S. Acharya fails to act decisively against the vandals of Udupi and Chikmagalur, he will not only wound our democracy, he may give a stick to the skeptics to beat us with.
For instance, here is Yale don Robert Dahl’s snarky old quip about India’s minorities: “Whether they like it or not, most Indians are destined to remain citizens of India. Because disunion is impossible, the only alternative is union, within India.”
Also read: Are all conversions voluntary?
Right of conversion should be preserved. After all, these religions are helping Hindus come out of caste/status barriers. Had it not been conversions, Hindus would have been as dumb as they were during the time of Freedom struggle.
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@Simply Stupid…
Then what about DALIT Christians. What about issues where lower caste christians are not allowed in upper caste christian churches/
Is the caste barrier still not there.
Your arguments are a hogwash.
Conversions are nothing but a Crusade against the Hindu ethos.
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Would willingly take Bajrang Dal’s side if they only showed the same initiative, enthusiasm and dedication to end caste discrimination against SCs and the ill treatment of tribals.
The people who convert are not stupid. They are the same people who have a say in the election of our government. We accept their verdicts on such a matter, I am sure that we can accept their choices in their religious lives.
… and yes, I know inducements, threats of being sent to hell, and monetary compensation is also offered for compensation (I have seen the process myself). And there is little we need to care about that also…
why?
1. It says a lot about a religion’s religious bankruptcy if it needs to “increase its flock” in such a manner.
2. People have converted on a price and not the principle, so if someone still cares about numbers, it is just about finding the right price.
3. Most of the country also falls for the same tricks at election time. Some prefer alcohol, others reservations; the process is the same.
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If people convert because of caste or money have any Hindu comeup with a solution to this? Btw pelting stones and destroying churches is not a solution.
How many upper caste people have really accepted lower castes as equals? Whenever there is debate on reservation i get pathetic sms comparing lower caste people to pigs and whatever.
If people convert because of money shoudn’t we help those poor people such that they won’t look into any other religion? Shoudn’t we do act instead of just saying stop conversion?
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Violent reaction to religious conversion …
* Alexander was on military conquest – not for religious converstion
* http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hhrmi/ for response to Ghazni
* Great advaitist Madhusudana saraswati founded Naga Akhara during Akbar’s time. Note that the members were monks who had pronounced Praisha mantra promising “no one will be hurt because of me”.
* Vijayanagara under Vidyaranya against Bahamanis
* Shivaji’s actions with the blessings of Samarth Ramadas against Bahamanis
* Teg Bahadur sacrifice during the reign of aurangzeb – Khalsa founding
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I frankly dont understand justification of “people convert to other religions since caste is oppressive”.
If the solution is so easy, the next time, there is a wound in your leg, please amputate it instead of fixing it.
Conversions are wrong. Period. I still dont understand how is Jesus better than Rama or Allah better than Jesus or Allah better than Rama or vice-versa.
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“How many upper caste people have really accepted lower castes as equals?”
How many upper caste christian people have really accepted lower caste chrisitians as equals?
I know personally many UCC’s despising the LCC’s as “third rate converts”. The UCCs don’t dine/ give their daughters in marriage/ don’t allow the LCCs to churches……
Ultimately it is the wealth that counts and not the religion…
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To the people who saying conversions are wrong:
What cant you let the ‘dalits’ decide what they want? You can latch on to your religion, no problem, who are you to tell them what is right and what is wrong?
Why use violence to prove your religions lack of ideas and positive actions?
If all you have in store for dalits if more oppression, the first thing they should do is convert to some religion which offers them a better deal in life.
In fact this violent and cunning methods to keep dalits further oppressed and within the caste fold, is giving good publicity for the christians. There must be lines of poor people lining up at their conversion centers waiting to get out of the tyranny of the caste system.
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Both are Goob nanna makkalu
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NM,
A nice column. I think a lot of work is needed to reform Hinduism at this point and in a way I think the reaction is a knee jerk one. Yes it is terrible that the minorities seem to be facing some violence. But then again ‘they’ alone should restrain their ‘new born’ co-religionists to stop abusing and denigrating Hindu gods. This act will take away much anger and peace will come. After all “Love Thy Neighbor” has to be realistic!
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When Dalit-CONVERTS ask for reservations….They are not allowed as they are CHRISTIANS! Does this magically change the lot of Dalits?
Where is there Social-improvement geared TOWARDS the Dalits???….The Govt-machinery has not worked after so many years of Independance.
But where is the parallel response from the Hindu social organizations?
They seem to be mired in only providing a ‘counter’ to Missionary activities. And in clinging to an ‘Bharatiya’-‘Hindu-ethos’-watchamacallit-ideology establish Ashram after Gurukul after Kendra….. look at the Xian institutions – they provide a western education- which gets youth out of the rural area with employable skills, and a future.
I feel, in the end it is about empowering the people….and the choice people make are driven by simple realities before religious conviction.
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Just because we are ignorant about certain things doesn’t mean that they don’t exist!
Sangh Parivar has been successfully running many schools and hospitals for tribals and in remote villages just like any altruistic organisation(be it Christian or anything else).
Audit all foreign charity and let that be used for anything including proselytisation.
It’d be fun to ask them to explain how did they spend tens of lakhs for a “religious ceremony” involving a few hundred persons, whether any money was given in lieu for their souls. It should be controlled just like EC did during last assembly elections.
While Catholic churches claim that they have nothing do with these new hot blood militantly evangelists organisations, is it not true that they have let them use their premises for their meetings?
Proselytisers are spamming on the net especially on Social Networking sites, I observed that this is being done especially on Hindu habbas!
They can’t tolerate any criticism against their beliefs but they go on damning others’!
It is really funny to observe that these news channels give more prominence anti-Right voices(As was evident in yesterday’s prime time programme in NDTV where Sheshadri Chari was cut off by Maragaret Alva and the host reprimanded Mr. Chari to let Mrs. Alva to complete her diatribe!)
We should document these stuff just like they do for Fox and CNN’s biased coverage.
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India clearly treats christists and mohammadens differently than followers of native faith. Case in point- absence of Uniform Civil Code.
With that in mind, India should absolutely allow conversions, forced, or otherwise between every proselytizing faiths. That is, a christist can convert a mohammedan and a mohammadan can convert a christist. Since Buddhists are into making mockery of their faith by peddling it to western elites, they can also join the fun.
Hindus do not proselytize; so they should be kept out of this game. That is, no bible peddler in front of the house. No donation of rice and anacin in return for baptism. Then, if a Hindu willing shows up at the appropriate wall/door on friday or sunday, it would be by pure choice.
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State must be blind to religion. Indian politicians missed this point while drafting the Constitution.
They ensured that Religious freedom is guaranteed. This is a very broad terminology. They did not specify to what extent.
Instead of treating all Citizens equally, they went over board with inequity as the method of Governance.
Use one community against the other till they get their votes and come to Power.
Pseudo secular politicians did not think that this is going to impact the society.
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Out of my 35 years life 20 of which spent in Mangalore , I haven’t come across a Hindu convert to Christianity. So, where are these converts hiding. Even if someone converts to Christianity or Islam, what is the big issue.
The problem in my Tulunadu is not conversion. It is the hatred propagated by GSB community in the name of Bajrang Dal, BJP , RSS etc. It is high time we start thinking of deporting this black market/ hate mongering community to where they came from, may it be Goa or the buried river Saraswati.
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In my opinion our society and the religious leaders are to blame for the massive conversions. In the past Muslims converted the local populations by sword. The more”gentle religion” Christianity is using “love and “money” to save souls. Obviously people who are being induced to change their souls” to a higher level” do not know what a belief system is and nothing changes after a person dies. It is idiotic for the society to be quarreling over these issues when we have so many problems to solve. Finally it is the duty of the “religious leaders of the Hindu society to come out of their ashrams and the uninformed and uncaring to say that if you treat others with contempt, then someone else shows compassion and take them to their fold. So it is important that the majority open their eyes and change their behavior toward the “underprivileged”. This is the best cure for the “conversion cancer”.
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@swamy
“They seem to be mired in only providing a ‘counter’ to Missionary activities.”
Nope. You are wrong. Every hindu organisation has its own policy regarding this. Please read the following insightful article from Ramakrishna Mission – of course in our own karnataka veerashaiva gurukulas (Shishunal Sharif was a teacher in one such school which imparted secular education also) existed long before christians came and introduced “donation” system.
http://www.belurmath.org/relief_news_archives/relief.htm
RSS leader Golwalkar Guruji was an initiated disciple of Swami Akhandananda – third president of Ramakrishna Order. The swami had explicitly ordered Golwalkar to serve the nation – so it can be inferred that RSS accepts much of what is being said here.
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Ayyo!
howling without facts once again…sorry to note churumuri has fallen prey to these writers from dubai/ canada…etc when they already hogging christian owned webpages from dakshina kannada…like daijiworld etc.,
DO YOU ALL KNOW THAT BISHOP IN MANGALORE HAS DISOWNED THE NEW LIFE FELLOWSHIP- which is the root cause of all this trouble? get your facts in place, before you point your finger at “right wing hindu activists”
If they could not have defended themselves, new life fellows should not have printed derogatory books on hindu gods…they attacking police only shows that they do not believe in government…
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Who in his right mind believes that gathering a ragtag outfit of 3000 illiterates, most of whom won’t have read a page of the Gita, giving them Rs.50 and iron rods/knives, asking them to go out and kill, loot, burn, rape is tantamount to protecting Hinduism? These are the Defenders of our ethos and beliefs??? Pathetic!!!! These mob mobilizers are the ultimate shame to Mother India. We don’t need mascots like these.
Let’s see the real patriots pull out their kids from all convents and English medium schools first and attract the best teaching talent to Hindi and vernacular language schools. Hahaha!
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Look at present Chief Justice of India – he had to undergo religious conversion and become a Christian, as otherwise Church was not allowing him entry to the school. He later performed Shuddhi and became Hindu is another matter.
This shows how a section of Church abuses freedom of India and convert people thro’ allurement. neogi Committee report tells us more details.
MK Gandhi, Swami Vivekanand, Dayanand Saraswati…..almost every whos who of modern India;s builders opposed organized religious conversion. Indian Supreme Court has upheld ‘protection of freedom of religion’ (which missionaries call ‘anti-conversion law’) many a times.
Its a settled issue.
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>>violent reaction to religious conversion finds little record in India’s history, ancient or medieval—not even in the
accounts produced by invading forces
Dalai Lama recently commented that Tibetans used to rule parts of China for a long time. However, after embracing Buddhism, ahimsa, they forgot their military skills and thus could not save Tibet from China’s occupation.
India’s history is distinctly different. Obviously, there were opposition, as otherwise, India would have become part of Islamic country. Hindu opposition came into two forms: Military and cultural movements like Bhakti Movement.
Author’s argument is most laughable, wrong reading of history. One of world’s mightest empire, the Mughal Empire, crumbled because of severe religious persecution during rule of Aurangzeb. The Sikhs, Shivaji were born. In every part of India there were opposition. Have you heard name of Chilarai, Lalit Barphukun, or 12 Bhuinyas of Bengal….(just to name a few)? Pratapaditya? Who were they?
India’s history would have been different had there been no Guru Govind Singhji, Guru Vidyaranya, Ramdas Samarth, Gorakhnath, Kalbhoj, Sri Chaitanyadev, Tulsidas……Swami Dayanand, Vivekanand….
Present day India is the ONLY country in the world that was ruled by Muslims for 800 odd years, but could not be made an Islamic country unlike Iran, NW India (now Pakistan).
Somnath was demolished many a times by Ghazni and Aurangzeb- but it was REBUILT everytime.
Its because of these heroes- both Military leaders and Saints, Hinduism could survive in India.
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BUT I MUST SAY: THERE IS NO EXCUSE TO ATTACKING CHURCH.
There are small section of Church who are probably funded from outside, fanned by political parties who are publishing derogatory comments on Hinduism (its not new, as I showed from RK NARAYN’s autobiography that same used to happen before).
Mainstream Xtian Groups shd speak against them instead of playing to politics of opposition.
Hindutva groups MUST follow rule of law. IF SOMEBODY ABUSE HINDUISM, GO- GRAB HIM WITH THE BOOK, AND HANDOVER TO POLICE.
Media also shd play constructive role than pitting one section of people against another.
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What is religion and why do we practice it? Essentially for some form of peace. Then why are all religions fighting against each other? Why this one-upmanship. This is because religion is also about power. If one looks through histories of all religions, the “priests” or their equivalent have been used by the ruling class to gain power over the populace. This is something by which one can easily get people behind a cause. The “Priest” just has to say your religion is in danger and all followers will just line up to prevent that. They will go to any extent even kill others or sacrifice themselves. This power is known to all the “priests” and that is why this race to convert others into their own religion. Islam wants to expand. Christianity wants to expand. Hinduism and Buddhism at this point in time are quite old and mature and hence have foregone this overt expansionist trends. Expansion of Christianity will help the western powers as the centre of Christianity lies there and they can tune people into their way of life and subjugate them. Same is for others like Islam. All this results in conflicts. Many wars have been fought in the name of religion. Essentially rather than joining people religion becomes a source of conflict when it should be a source of comfort and happiness and peace. Hence for countries like India which are multi faith? It is extremely important to reduce all the possible points of conflict. Religious conversions are an important point of conflict and Government of India should immediately pass on a bill to ban all form of religious conversions with immediate effect. I would request all of you who support this to immediately put pressure on government of India to do this. A large amount of public pressure is required. Let all Indians and Indian origin people in the world join our hands together to accomplish this. It is important to remove conflict and for us to think as Indians only and forget about religious identities.
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To counter all the vicious anti-Hindu hate speeches and vitimization of poor and helpless minories of the NDTVs and CNN IBNs of secular India, Hindus need an Al Jazeera. I dont know if the Swapan Dasguptas and the Chnadan Mitras of India have the mettle to it.
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If Peace, Equality & well being of the Human beings is what Christians want then, they can take care of the poor and needy, BUT WHY DO THEY WANT THEM TO BE CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANS AND THEN TAKE CARE OF THEM ??? Yeh Baat kuch Hazam nahin hui !!!
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Boss evryy news channel has a political leaning….Sardesai is obviously pro-Congress while Arnab Goswami is not-so-obviously pro-BJP… aand Sagarika Ghose must be a card carrying member of the Beeyatchs-party of India.
On Times Now it was interesting to watch Dr.Murli Manohar Joshi (allowed) to go off on a tangent about Hinduism when he was actually asked about the Law & Order in Karnataka for about 2minutes of uninterrupted airtime….This when Arnab is known for his interjectory-stlye of questioing. Jayanthi Natarajan’s response to the same question was curbed with such ‘follow-up-questionning’ but she politely requested the anchor to kindly give her the same opportunity to reply as had been given to her co-invitee….it was delightfully sharp. And her reply was then heard out in complete silence from the Anchor!
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@vikas akalwadi
The ‘counter’ i refer to is not about a Lack of social-response from Hindu social organizations. I am aware of the work being done by them, and they are better for it no doubt. What i am referring to is more about the flavour of their work…. Youth in the Interiors want to earn and become financially liberated, receive above decent medical care, educate themselves with sought after degrees and employable skills etc… I then suggested that it would definitely be a priority for them to pursue such goals Before they step forward to assert their religious anxiety, if any.
In this context, the services that Xian institutions provide, and the masses they receive in their institutions is no coincidence. While i am aware of numerous Hindu organisations at work without your drawing my attention to those such as the ramakrishna mission, many more organistions are active in the feild but are being underutilized IMHO, because they are purposely geared to a ‘traditional/bharat’ ethos/flavour and thier subscription is consequently lessened.
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Abrahamic religions – Islam and Christianity in particular have this sick temptation to increase their numbers, even forcibly, to spread their word, like spreading some sickness. While Hinduism does not berate other Gods, I have personally seen christians doing that. In a country like India where religion is a sensitive issue, these priests and evangelists cant be dumb enough not to expect any backlash when they condemn other religions. Hindus must assert that they cannot be taken for granted. If the christians are so concerned about dalit, why dont they give them the same status once they get converted. If christianity had been concerned about equality, then there wouldnt have been any racism in this world.
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In this context, the services that Xian institutions provide, and the masses they receive in their institutions is no coincidence.
How many poor, deserving students(Xian/non-Xian) are being admitted into missionary run schools?
The prospective students who cannot afford their fees aren’t even touched with a barge pole!
They do have trophy students from North-East to show that they care for the poor. Remember there was a time when these schools were actually started in the outskirts of the city, now the city has grown and the schools have to respect the demand and it is natural that they don’t care about the underlying principles of their institution!
Non-Xian teachers are treated like dirt and brushed off from the institution at the earliest available opportunity, no you can’t expect court to help you because the constitution authorises them to run schools for their religious group! Best you can get is a little money to sympathise your misfortune and to preserve Social Justice!
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violence has to be condemned and root cause for this is “illegal convertions “.
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X-tian missionary institutions have appropriated disproportionate assets as compared to their population. Stop before you start eulogizing the great deeds of these mischeivious missionaries. Take for example Bangalore, a mere 2 percent population of Christians own the most prime properties in prime locations. Now how did they get this. They just got a free ride when British ruled India and we dumb heathen Hindus are made to feel guilty and bad about the way X-tian missionaries have served (read exploited) the country. Many well meaning Catholics are aware of this and they have generally compromised with the majority and avoid any overt confrontation with Hinduism. They try to curb their old habit of ridiculing Hindu gods and religious practices to gain converts. However they try to encourage this covertly through some proxy psuedo dalit organizations.
The non denominational churches like the new life chruch and the pentecostals openly preach against Hindu religion. It is very easy to get literature from these organizations where worship of Ganesha and Shiva are called satanic and the only true worship is worship of Jesus. The founder of new life church was discredited in America for financial misappropriation and soliciting the services of a Male prostitue. But in india these people claim to uplift the downtrodden. How can they assume that Hindus should always take it laying down when they can browbeat them at every instance.
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@Poornaprajna
What %age of prime property is owned by christians, do you have no? do not immagine things.
Aren’t Hindu relegious institutions amassing wealth illegally or get fund from NRIs ? We all see how they black mail govts openly & get political system work for their advantage.
If you believe that your religion is based on strong values or if you can make your fellow hindus feel that way, why do they get converted ?.
Your religious leaders failed to stop conversion constructively, you people are not ready to accept the reality & becoming (self)distructive
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There are small section of Bengalis who are probably funded from outside, fanned by political parties who are publishing derogatory comments on non-Bengalis (its not new, as I showed from Deven Varma’s autobiography that same used to happen before).
Mainstream Bengali Groups shd speak against them instead of playing to politics of opposition.
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ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಸ್ನಾಗೆ ಬರ್ದೀರಿ. ನಮ್ಮ ಹುಡ್ಲು ಬೌದ್ಧರಾದರೆ ನೀವೆಲ್ಲಾ ಮುಚ್ಕೊಂಡು ಕೂತ್ಡಂಡ್ರಿತ್ತೀರಿ. ಕಿರಿಸ್ರಾದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ಅಂಗೆ ಹರ್ಕತ್ತೀರಿ. ಎಲ್ಡೂ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಇಂದೂ ದರ್ಮ ಬುಡದೇ ಅಲ್ವವ್ರಾ?
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@witty nick
You don’t deny that Xian institutions are massively popular…they are unjust, elitist and unequal employer to boot, according to you. You lose my point about the fact that they still are sought after…
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Bangalore definitely has Xian institutions located in prime property…what was once part of the Bangalore Civil and Military station, where they were granted land by the Cantonment Board and the Defence Estates Offices of the British era. But i think these institutions are no longer serving at the level the were intended to. But this is because they have largely outgrown their original charters, and now are more merit oriented. I am however talking about the Xian-institutions outside the urbam areas.
@witty nick
I think if you see the Bangalore institutions that you are referring to, there maybe a lower standard for Xian students as per thier identity as minority inst’s, but their cutoffs are testament to the fact that the have moved on -as merit institutions, and no longer focus as prominently on the charity aspect. But one cannot argue that they have no right to abandon their original draft and stop charging…they do. As for being horrible employers, i have no idea honestly. But i do know that they make their preference quite plain when they invite applications.
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mybad: I am however talking about the Xian-institutions outside the urbam areas…+ in my original post.
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