The arrest of three suspects with Hindu names—Shyamlal Sahu, Shivnarayan Singh and Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur alias Poornachetanand Pragya Singh Thakur—in connection with the blasts in Malegaon, Modasa and Mehrauli about a month ago has lent a new edge to terrorism in India.
(CNN-IBN reports that one more sadhvi could have been picked up, and Mail Today reports that sadhvi Pragya Singh had addressed an election campaign rally last year where Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi was present.)
On the one hand, Brinda Karat of the CPI(M) has gone to town proclaiming that the arrest of the three, who are linked to the Hindu Jagran Manch (HJM) and Akhila Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishat (ABVP), is proof that “Hindu Terrorism” is not a figment of the secular imagination.
Read in conjunction with a blast in Nanded (Maharashtra) in the house of an RSS worker and a blast in Kanpur where two people with links to the Bajrang Dal were killed, there are many who believe that sangh parivar outfits are behind some of the recent terror attacks to demonise Muslims.
On the other hand, the Bharatiya Janata Party has objected to giving terrorism a religious feel, saying “terrorism has no religion, a point shared by some in the Congress.
Also read: God save Hinduism from this lunatic fringe
‘Bomb blasts are now doing what riots used to do’
churumuri 
If things go on this way, Hindus and Hindu organizations will begin to be viewed in the same light as Islamic fundamentalist ones. We need to stem the rot at once – Hindus are going to get a bad name and a ‘neo-terrorist’ tag very soon because of these people.
Banning the VHP and Bajrang Dal is probably a good thing to do, but unfortunately they are likely to go underground and continue what they’re best at! Wonder how we’re going to get out of this…
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I don’t understand the word ‘sadhvi ‘. Is it synonymous with ‘Sadhu’. Does this mean that our women are turning into terrorists?
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If Hindus are taking these drastic, unwisely steps it is result of psuedo-secularists who pander to anti-Hindus, turn blind eye to mohmmadan and christist activities undermining India.
I hold ‘p-secs’, con-grasswallas at the top of the list for this, if indeed it is true.
“Hindu Terrorism” (ha-ha) is not a figment of the secular imagination. It is the creation of ‘secularists’.
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If the police are correct in this case, it is a gratifying development! After repeated slaughtering of Hindus by the terrorists some Hindus have finally woken up and they are angry. I think it is time the government gives maximum publicity to the case and brings out the facts on how these Hindus reached this desperate state. Not for them the ‘Mumbaikar’ spirit, ‘Terrorists Have no Religion’, and a thousand other lame-ass platitudes. I think the Hindu tolerance has been breached and I am happy that a big burden has been lifted from Hindus shoulders. In the face of open taunts and massacres, some Hindus have hit back. Their story should open the eyes of all Indians as to how a government can consistently sideline its majority subjects under the guise of ‘minority’ upliftment.
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Brinda Karat and her CPI(M) men- are the big terrorists !
so, they are always in search of there community people and they thinck everybody,every org- are like them.
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I am surprised by your views. Supporting terrorism is wrong. Shyodha, being a lady showing intolerance like man is a bigger surprise. Doddi Buddi saab, the other day you wrote against fellow hindu sachin tendulkar, now you are supporting singh, sahu, thakur who are north Indian dacoit class people. you think dacoits are better than cricketer.
We must all strive for peace.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/oct/25abvp.htm
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I have a questions. These sanyasi and sanyasin people, i am sure are not responsible for the bombs. where can they get raw material for bomb. how they learnt to make a bomb. Most of them, sit near some river bank and smoke ganja and pray.
I am sure this is the work of against party of BJP. This is all politics
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Finally….finally we have one case where a few Hindus are suspects in a terror related incident.
Sure – let’s go ahead and equate this to all the Islamic terrorism we have been witnessing over decades. How nice!
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is this the only solution? bombing one another or blaming politicians or things like that? Considering we are a democracy we should be able to amend or change certain things in our constitution, shouldn’t we?
I mean we could probably solve this by removing all the rules that give spl. privileges to ppl on basis of being from a particular religion. for example, if im not mistaken muslims can take 4 wives legally as it is allowed in their religion whereas for the rest of us it is polygamy, a punishable offence.
Or that muslims can demand for a place to do namaz wherever they work. If that is the case then every brahmin should be given a place to do sandhyavandane at the job site.
Couldn’t we force our judiciary to remove these religion based reservations and spl. rules as it disturbs the integrity of our nation? Can anyone suggest something similar, because clearly the conditions now are quite diff from wen dr.ambedkar and the gang framed the constitution. I don’t think they would have estimated the problems arising from a 4 fold increase in our population in just over 6 decades!
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Can someone tell me how many people actually died because of the actions of the Shyamlal Sahu, Shivnarayan Singh and Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur alias Poornachetanand Pragya Singh Thakur?
What was the casualty?
Anyone?
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Fianlly the hindus have retaliated. I am against this culture i agree that BD and VHP and other hindu front should be banned for these acts…But if a Muslim or Christian outfit dose this nothing is done. No one talks about banning those outfit. ( Amar sing Amar rahe hai … Ab app ka khyal hai..)
I guess the message is clear ” A brick for Brick and eye for eye” .
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This development is more alarming than all the islamist bombs which have gone off in this country. We know what to expect from Islamists. It seems like the harvest of the of Government’s and pseudo secularist press’s steadfast negation of the Hindu grievances.
Anyway, who could have supplied RDX to these people. Perhaps, the same source which supplied to Islamic terrorists! Weapons sellers make money either way.
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All those here who speak of ‘eye for an eye’ should lose a few limbs in a bomb blast, one carried out by the Bajrang Dal or VHP. They shouldn’t die in the blast, the should survive and reflect on this ‘eye for an eye bomb blast’ philosophy that they propogated. I sincerely hope that happens someday.
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We should be ‘sympathetic’ and try to ‘understand’ the grievance of these people. May be they also would like to have a seperate civil code. May be they also might want to have a seperate State where they can refuse rest of the Indians immovable property. May be they want to be funded so that they can also scream at the top of theri voice five times a day irritating the daylights out of the population. May be they would like to get back all of their temples that were converted into Churches in Kerala and rest of India. May be they want missionaries to stop using schools and hospitals to propagate crossism.
Let us be compassionate. What do you say?
(By the way, What was the casualty? I appreciate the answer.)
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It had to happen sometine. How long can any group of people be victimised? I dont approve of violence, but tell me another way to fight terrot, what with the pseudo secularists ruling us and the electronic media coming out with biased reports. For example, the picture of the sadhvi with Rajnathsingh was obviously taken when he went to mourn the BJP leader’s passing away. If the Sadhvi was also there, does it make Rajnathsingh an accomplice?
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“Had India not been a vibrant democracy and were Hinduism an intolerant faith, we would have witnessed many violent responses to jihadi terror. Most Hindus are unable to comprehend why groups like SIMI are going about massacring innocent civilians all over the country when they have no specific demand. Terrorist violence, whatever the cause, can never be condoned but in cases of foreign intervention (such as Iraq) or in the course of separatist movements, can at least be understood. But nobody can quite comprehend what SIMI and its cohorts want of the Indian people or the State.
Chandan Mitra rightly says:
“Reams have been written about Muslim angst following the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat. But what about Hindu anger in response to the thousands of innocent people felled by jihadi bomb blasts over the last 15 years? Don’t they have families that are battling for survival, orphans who have grown up bearing bloodthirsty rage against the killers of their parents or family? Doesn’t it hurt their sense of justice when political parties rush to felicitate terrorists’ families or join the chorus describing the Jamia Nagar encounter as fake and the December 13 Parliament attack a conspiracy by the Intelligence Bureau?”
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What is Hindu terror? – Chanda Mitra
http://www.dailypioneer.com/130450/What-is-Hindu-terror.html
The media loves bogeys. First they are created; then, promoted; and finally bashed. In the last week one such bogey was discovered. With the vocal assistance of a section of the political class, it was assiduously promoted. Parliament being in session, the hype got further fillip. And almost immediately the bashing began.
It’s a bogey the media has been trying to nurture for some months now. But they had failed to make headway in the absence of any supporting evidence. This line of thought was first propagated when the Malegaon blasts took place last year killing 37 people outside a mosque. A section of the media loudly wondered why jihadi terrorists would specifically target their co-religionists and suggestively hinted at the possibility of Hindu groups coming under the investigators’ scanner.
But soon the case was cracked and it was authoritatively billed as a SIMI handiwork. But the secular-fundamentalists did not give up. They waited for two crude bombs to explode in Gujarat’s Modasa and once again in Malegaon. This time, the Maharashtra Police obliged. Under fire for handling Raj Thackeray’s rampaging goons in Mumbai with kid gloves, the authorities decided this was the most opportune time to selectively leak some sensitive information regarding the September 29, 2008 incidents. Howsoever far-fetched and tenuous the alleged suspects’ links to the extended saffron parivar, the leaked news came in handy for the media to resume the onslaught on “Hindu terror”.
Before we examine the ramifications of this allegation, it is important to understand the political motivation that guides the disproportionate attention paid to two crude bomb explosions last month. For a long time, the secular-fundamentalists and their cohorts in politics and the media have been agitating against the alleged stereotyping of Muslims as terrorists. That this too is a media-generated bogey is, of course, another matter. Nobody in their right minds has ever suggested that every Muslim is a terrorist, real or potential.
Indeed, there is consensus that Muslims are almost equal victims of jihadi terror as Hindus. There is also wide agreement that the Muslim community needs to be insulated from the evil influences of their Talibanised co-religionists and their leaders need to do more to combat jihadi ideology. It is only the opportunist practitioners of crass vote-bank politics — Lalu Prasad, Ram Vilas Paswan, Amar Singh and their ilk — that have engaged in stoking the fires of sectional Muslim angst over incidents like the arrest of mastermind Abu Bashar and the encounter at Batla House in Jamia Nagar. The Congress has unsuccessfully tried to hunt with the hound and run with the hare, but stopped short of endorsing the repugnant demand for revoking the ban on SIMI.
In the aftermath of the perfectly legitimate Jamia Nagar raid, there has been a systematic attempt to claim that the Indian Establishment is guilty of regarding every Muslim as a terrorist. This is precisely the premise on which the bogey of Hindu terrorism has been constructed. The argument is rather simplistic: The police and public are wrong in assuming all terror incidents to be executed by Muslim groups such as SIMI; that, new “revelations” suggest that many such terror attacks are the handiwork of Hindu outfits. So, Islamist terror must be treated on the same footing as ‘Hindu terror’. So, if SIMI is banned, so must be Bajrang Dal, VHP, ABVP, RSS and, eventually, BJP.
That the Government will have neither the gumption nor evidence to do so is another matter. But repeated equation of Islamic and ‘Hindu’ terror is expected to sow doubts in people’s minds and, hopefully, puncture the BJP’s battering ram against the UPA regime, namely the Government’s inability or unwillingness to combat jihadi terrorism.
It is a matter of time before it is suggested by this lobby that the Sangh Parivar is, in fact, the biggest progenitor of terror in India; that they are doing so with the aim of breeding mass insecurity in order to bamboozle terrified Hindus into voting for the BJP in the forthcoming polls! Evidence of ‘Hindu terror’ comprises only a few instances of alleged bomb-making by members of obscure groups, such as something called the Hindu Jan Jagran Manch. But that is hardly of consequence in the process of hyping this supposed phenomenon. The media has repeated ad nauseum that two Bajrang Dal activists got blown up while making bombs in Kanpur, deliberately overlooking the fact the persons had been expelled from the Dal 12 years ago and were probably involved in a conspiracy to settle scores with their tormentors in that organisation!
Had India not been a vibrant democracy and were Hinduism an intolerant faith, we would have witnessed many violent responses to jihadi terror. Most Hindus are unable to comprehend why groups like SIMI are going about massacring innocent civilians all over the country when they have no specific demand. Terrorist violence, whatever the cause, can never be condoned but in cases of foreign intervention (such as Iraq) or in the course of separatist movements, can at least be understood. But nobody can quite comprehend what SIMI and its cohorts want of the Indian people or the State.
Reams have been written about Muslim angst following the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat. But what about Hindu anger in response to the thousands of innocent people felled by jihadi bomb blasts over the last 15 years? Don’t they have families that are battling for survival, orphans who have grown up bearing bloodthirsty rage against the killers of their parents or family? Doesn’t it hurt their sense of justice when political parties rush to felicitate terrorists’ families or join the chorus describing the Jamia Nagar encounter as fake and the December 13 Parliament attack a conspiracy by the Intelligence Bureau?
Is the average Indian so thick-skinned as to applaud Manmohan Singh when he says the first right to the country’s scarce resources belongs not to the poor irrespective of caste and creed but only to Muslims? When anti-terror laws are diluted and vociferous demands for the lifting of the ban on SIMI reverberate through sections of the political class and the liberal-secular intelligentsia, should the victims of jihadi terror be expected to cower in fright? Isn’t it then a miracle that vigilante groups aren’t roaming the streets of our cities seeking revenge?
Those who equate imaginary Hindu terror with jihadi violence would do well to realise this odious comparison can only agitate people further, communalise the polity beyond redemption and unleash retribution on a scale not seen before.
The fact is that individual miscreants or petty bomb peddlers do not constitute anything like Hindu terror groups; they have no sympathy, at least yet, from the community. But stoked and insulted repeatedly, the tolerant and largely passive Hindu might just start justifying the actions of fringe groups. By nature, the Hindu can never be a terrorist. Secular-fundamentalists should not provoke him to a point where he seriously contemplates the option.
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this is pure terrorism by the ever fascist and divisive upper caste hindu.
While the upper caste facist hindu, by virtue of his inherent cunning-ness and propensity to evil, not to mention obscurantism, will accuse the progressive and secular forces of indulging in schadenfreude, the facts are the following:
while the upper caste hindu would like to point a finger at the minorities, the violent struggles of the minority agitators, and bombers, is merely a reaction rooted in socio-economic disenfranchisement, and can thus be classified as a people’s struggle for better conditions. This struggle would cease once the exclusive socio-economic privileges granted exclusively to hindus, are extended to the minorities.
The pervasive and indiscriminate bombings by the minorities, only mirror the pervasive and deep-rooted disenfranchisement experienced by them under the suffocating strangle-hold of the upper caste hindu, whose violence, on the other hand, is purely ideological with no basis in social and economic causes and thus represents pure terrorism.
it should also be noted, that minority violence is not just rooted in socio-economic disenfranchisement. it is also a reaction to existential threat to their liberty and freedoms. The destruction of the babri masjid was the seminal event in the history of india, which soured an otherwise peaceful, symbiotic comity between communities. A minority under violent pressure from the fascism of the hindu merely expressed the pain and anguish of their being, through the cavernous resonance of explosives in cities such as Bangalore, which have historically contributed to the hindu facism.it was thus natural for such cities to be bombed indiscriminately.
the only positive is that some of the disenfranchised groups have joined hands, as was suggested by an eminent thinker of this blog and son of soil in a media outlet known for its progressive outlook. in an heartening display of synergy and symbiosis, a minority group involved in the altruistic venture of redressal of historic injustices by the upper caste hindus, joined forces and resources with another group involved in the altruistic venture of redressal of historic injustices by the indian state, under the patronage of a progressive secular political party, with an untarnishable record to secularism and principles of egalitarianism and social justice, to neutralize the advances of a regressive fascist hindu in sanskritizing the experience of an tribal and excluded caste peoples.
it is important to understand the fundamentals of these synergized struggles in order to guard against the accusations of the evil hindu who would claim that this synergy marks terrorism of a minority and a political party, when, in reality, it is merely an expression of the disenfranchisement experienced by the minorities under the suffocating strangle-hold of the upper caste hindu, whose violence, on the other hand, is purely ideological with no basis in social and economic causes and thus represents millennia of pure terrorism.
therefore it is important to maintain composure and silence while a minority group involved in the altruistic venture of redressal of historic injustices of upper caste hindus, joined forces and resources with another group involved in the altruistic venture of redressal of historic injustices of indian state, under the patronage of a progressive secular political party to neutralize the advances of a fascist hindu in sanskritizing the experience of an tribal and excluded caste peoples.
QED. thus is proved the struggles of the peoples and, in their support, the struggles of the progressives against the fascist, evil agenda of the upper caste hindus and their violent political and terrorist movement, which cynically, and with an intention to exploit, regressively insists on seeking a place in the comity of the community with a false claim to be being apart of evolution of this nation that never was, when in reality they represent external forces that cynically sought to exploit and undermine the fabric of the peoples who were exceptional to the experience of all other nations.
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This was always going to happen.
When you have bunch of people like some commenter’s above feel victimized and beleive in eye to eye principle. You kill 10 people i can also kill 10 of yours!!!
Hinduism is turning into the same religion that so much of them HATE.
If you start a conversation about helping Hindus( the poor, discriminated ones ) there is a TOTAL SILENCE less said about reservation the better.
Are there any Hindu organization which help people or we have just these VHP/BD which beleive in rioting/destroying people/property??
P.S I am working with a bunch of people who feel angered about nagaland people converting into Christianity, but they would not give even 1 Paise to city beggars!!!
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Fazlur Saab,
Glad you asked those questions!
If Tendulkar were to be my own nephew I would have got him kicked out of the team for killing many Indians with his boring and useless way of playing cricket.
Coming to bomb blasts, my point is if Hindus are getting frustrated it is time we find out what’s going on. You are a smart man and I don’t want to emphasize the obvious: it is generally well-known that the “Peaceful’ community is nursing a lot of grievances and naturally their feeling for revenge is pretty high!
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Why worry?
URAs, Karnads, Akhtars, Guhas, Roys and et al., will come and absolve “Hinduism” of the terrorist taint!
Audit all foreign alms, curtail all kinds of violence. Simple.
PS: BTW… where is Sanal Edamaruku when the Pope started a new franchise in India? Are St. Alphonsa(what a sweet name! reminds me of alphonsos!)’s “miracles” so rational?
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“eye for an eye makes the whole world blind…”
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The arrest of the Sadhvi and the reaction of the secular brigade to it, proves one thing: a lack of consistency in condemning terrorism. On the other hand they stand guilty of double standards which is their trade mark.
First, they accused the Indian police of being biased and of deliberately targeting the entire Muslim community. But did they every wonder how arrest of a few handful of people could amount to “targetting” a community that is 155 million strong ?
If the Indian police is biased as alleged by the secular brigade and insisted on seeking proof of the complicity of the accused, should not the secular brigade seek similar proof from the police now ?
But no, they have already worked themselves into a frenzy of “We told you so”. A Muslim is innocent until proved guilty. A Hindu is guilty until proved innocent. That is the yardstick adopted by the marx-infested brains of the pseudo secularists.
These communists “reasoned” that Muslims are taking to terrorism as they have been deprived of economic opportunities and blamed the Hindus for it. In a report published by world bank and other institutions, it is stated that more than 800 million Indian live on less than 2 dollars a day. Assuming that all 155 million Indian Muslims live on less than 2 dollars a day, the remaining 645 million Indians are Hindus (call them by any name -Dalits, SCs/STs or whatever). So will the secular brigade now sympathize with them and say since Hindus are poor they have taken up to terrorism ?
Point is terrorism is dangerous irrespective of who the perpetrators are. But to be in a state of denial – despite having witnessed theologically inspired and ISI funded terrorism for more than two decades – and jumping to wild conclusions that Hindus are “equally guilty” based on a mere one-off act, does not augur well for fight against terrorism or the state of society.
On the contrary, the social divide will further aggravate. The Muslims too should get over the feeling that “the entire community is being targetted” if the police questions a few of them suspected to be in the loop. A majority of the naxals and maoists come from a Hindu background. But the society does not say Hinduism is under attack.
It is the secular brigade that is responsible for widening of the Hindu-Muslim relationship than any innate hate harboured by the members of the two communities. The greater danger to this country is from the fascism of the Left which has to be stomped out asap
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I feel there is no need to analyze such acts of Hindus too much. It’s a reaction, plain and simple. This will not stop, but will increase if the Muslims do not stop their nautanki and start behaving with more responsibility.
Moreover, these are still early days…
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Note:
The media has repeated ad nauseum that two Bajrang Dal activists got blown up while making bombs in Kanpur, deliberately overlooking the fact the persons had been expelled from the Dal 12 years ago and were probably involved in a conspiracy to settle scores with their tormentors in that organisation.
Note:
Malegaon blasts took place last year killing 37 people outside a mosque. This was the handiwork of SIMI.
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No one seems to tell me the answer for the question ‘What was the casualty?’. So, here I will proclaim.
Please tell me if I am wrong.
Actions of ‘Hindus’ who are arrested now are caused 0 casualty.
Yes, ‘0’ as in ZERO. Shoonya.
According to the media, abrahamics butchering in thousands is same as Hindus killing NONE.
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TS
How long did it take you to construct this high falutin, double dutch? :-)
Your way of expressing sarcasm is out of this world. Keep it coming :-)
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“On the other hand, the Bharatiya Janata Party has objected to giving terrorism a religious feel, saying “terrorism has no religion, a point shared by some in the Congress.”
So everyone agrees?
Terrorism has become just another crime. Anyone who does not mind breaking the law will consider it as one of the many options available to be used to further their agenda.
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what P-secular, churchitian & muslims think is
Hindus are suppressed people for more tahn 1000 yrs how can they strike back . they are there to be suppresed in our hands.
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“So everyone agrees?”
– Nope, I don’t agree. It may be that the BJP is scared about this latest development, but I get the feeling a lot of Hindus are on the side of these “terrorists”.
Moreover, for the Hindu movement to now claim that “Terrorists have no religion”…will simply confuse their supporters and hit leadership credibility. Of course Terrorists have their religion! Islamists have proved that beyond doubt!
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Since the sympathisers of Bajrang Dal(The Unlettered Fifth Standard Dropouts Taking Refuge in Religion) feel there is no such thing as ‘Hindu Terrorists’, they will have no issues if the culprits are bashed and chopped to pulp since they are not hindus. Correct?
As a proud Hindu, I am ashamed that Hinduism the greatest religion has moved from Ramakrishnas and Vivekanandas to uneducated, arrack drinking illiterate mobs shamelessly defended by the so-called educated. What a crying shame!
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Palahalli,
You dont count as everyone.
You are a rambo itching to take up a gun and blast away! A good terrorist in the making? Just joking… we know people who act like badasses on blogs have nothing to do with guns and bombs in real life :)
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Vivek, I don’t think you’d have a “greatest” religion if folks hadn’t fought to preserve it.
AG, civilizations have spawned advocates :)
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Man…we must be the only country on the planet that broods on the past events forever and fights about everything (lingual issues, religious issues, social issues, political issues, corruption issues, labour issues, economic issues, unethical work issues, malpractice issues, moral issues, border issues….list goes ad infinitum af nauseum) without a solution to anything.
Worst part being we claim secular socialist democratic republic in our constitution and we proudly go on ranting “unity in diversity”…sheessh!!! with the kind of “unity in diversity” we have, we need NO external enemies to destroy us!
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Prajwal, I second you. Reading the comments on churumuri has broken several illusions which I used to have..
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hmmm…… i am wondering why ppl bring caste into every commentary here? But thinkin along their line i have come up with the following Theory/Hypothesis:
The list of OBCs, SC/ST n minority groups all put together runs to almost 60% of the country’s population. Assume that the rest of the 40 % is all hindu upper class(which it isn’t and not all of them are filthy rich and privileged as claimed by ppl complaining about them)
then if this 40% is to be blamed for all the problems of the majority of the country’s problems, we arrive at a simplified logical statement that goes as:
The minority of a population(40% is lesser than 60%) is responsible for the problems faced by a country which is a democracy(which in simple terms means majority rules) and the majority is oppressed, despite the fact that the law is biased in their favour(they wud know this if they ever went to a court of law instead of ranting about problems in ignorance or law)
Now if this statement is accepted to be true which i think will be by every one here who says caste is the source of all our problems, then i can apply the same logic to the religious crisis.
QED the minority religions(muslims and christians) are responsible for all the problems in the country!
ps: Baseline is simple, our problems are neither religion based nor caste based but they human being based because religions castes classes are all made up of human beings. Our problem is that we stopped using our brains and decided to follow/do what XYZ told us to do without bothering to question its validity!
Come on people, it time we started thinking again and its time we started working to sort out problems instead of bickering amongst ourselves!
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Good god Prajwal!…Be careful. You might just bleed to death with all that self-flagellation!
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I think we should not communalize the word “Terrorism”. Terrorism does’nt have any relegion. We can see this from time Immemorial, be it the Crusaders, Hitler, Al Qaeeda, LTTE, Naxalites or the present Saffron Brigade. Can’t we blame these guys rather then blaming the name sake relegions to which they belong.
In todays world we are being narrowminded while the world is becomming a global village. I suggest we should be broad minded and ensure that each follow his own relegion and let others live.
Relegion is ones personal matter, let it remain so. Politicians should concentrate on the basic issues, rather than creating unnecessary matter as election issues.
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Palahalli,
who were the “heroes” who fought to preserve it?
The biggest boost to Hinduism was given by Vivekananda, Gandhiji and Ramakrishna.
Fought to PRESERVE it?? You mean The Unlettered Arrack drinking Bajrang Dal Dropouts are the same as the Hindu saints? Ridiculous man.
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Vivek – Hmm..I don’t know about “heroes”…but certainly ordinary folk fought to preserve their way of life. I hope this is not in dispute.
Let’s not get into name dropping please, unless your prepared to accept Vivekananda’s and Gandhi’s views on, let’s say, conversions and the nature of Islam? Fyi…Vivekananda certainly called for a more “masculine” if you please…Hinduism.
“The Unlettered Arrack drinking Bajrang Dal Dropouts” – Where did you gain this insight from?
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Religion has a formative effect on an individual. Some formations take place from the womb and an individual carries it to the tomb. The progress between the womb and the tomb is for special people a pilgrimage. They shower the blessings of the divine on those who come their way. However there are also individuals who transform their god-given gift of religion i.e. the way to the divine or way with the divine as an instrument of their intrinsic violence and hatred of the other human beings. One cannot be both divine and demonic. It is sad that one is capable of charade. Every time a bomb goes off, a few lives which are the gift of the divine are snubbed. Along with the lives of those innocent victims many lives are shattered. The others are confused. My heart goes out to the perpetrators of these crimes in the name of religion, because they are pitiable beings which suffer within themselves and wander in the darkness of illusion that God goes with them.
I am distressed that such psychotic individuals are not capable of either spirituality or reason or those fine sentiments of love which are totally human and totally divine.
I am distressed too, that they are clad in the tranditional saffron, the Indian colour of spirituality and divine enlightenment and renunciation . My distress is further aggravated because they are bringing shame not only to their religion but also to the whole humanity for which religion is a way of life.
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Kuriapilly,
You are speaking like a typical missionary. Before u can comment on saffron robed people, please do some introspection on what is making the saffronites to take up such an act.
>> I am distressed too, that they are clad in the tranditional saffron, the Indian colour of spirituality and divine enlightenment and renunciation .
In the first you make a generic statement about religion and finally summarise it and blame the saffron brigade. You are a big pseud!!
Just look @ some of these ill-conceited agendas http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=q8woHykQgB8 , dont pin-point and blame the saffron robes for all the problems.
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AK,
does your divine-demon theory work on religious institutions too? i know a couple of institutions which have for ages used religion:
“as an instrument of their intrinsic violence and hatred of the other human beings.”
and some continue to do so, even in more polished/humane ways.
As you say,
“one cannot be both divine and demonic. It is sad that one is capable of charade.”
by that theory some religions are lock stock and barrel demonic. i hope your heart goes out to these institutions too are
“perpetrators of these crimes in the name of religion, because they are pitiable beings which suffer within themselves and wander in the darkness of illusion that God goes with them.”
i am really ok with divine and demon theory. just that demons should also be get boons and sit in counsel.
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Palahalli,
Blind and indiscriminate bashing of Gandhiji doesn’t make you a patriot. Your parents were probably not born during his times!
Funny that Gandhiji who asked Hindus to embrace Muslims asked for a masculine brand of hinduism, LOL. Poor hindus not allowed into temples ran into Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. As such the divisive Hindus were the biggest enemies of Hinduism. Let’s correct that first instead of becoming followers of Ghazni.
Are you saying that the Bajrangis were all Infosys-employed IT Professionals? Rubbish. They were all scum and sludge of society who would accept Rs.25 to bash someone and buy arrack after that. All educated Indians are too busy protecting their behinds due to the recession, not unemployed thugs going after people.
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TS,
Not just religious institutions, even present day governments which wage wars in the name of ‘freedom’, ‘democracy’ and ‘religion’ (though it may be for economic dominance – anyway what is the difference they go hand in hand).
Their bombs and guns is probably causing more deaths and suffering than all the pissed-off individuals and small groups and their ‘psychotic behaviour’.
AK I hope your heart goes out to the victims of these modern day crusaders too.
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Vivek, please read better.
Have you read Vivekananda? You mentioned him remember?
And have you read Gandhi on conversions? Where the hell have I bashed him in my post? When I do, you’ll know.
You seem to not know the history of Buddhism..nor Christianity nor Islam!
So, Hinduism came out of thin air?? How are Hindus separate from Hinduism? Are you another one of those liberal dreamers who detest reality??
And who are the followers of Ghazni?
You don’t know jack about Bajrang Dal! Please don’t make a fool of yourself!
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Palahalli,
Please get off the grass and quit posturing as if Bajrangi riff-raff are like firefighters and war heroes. Most of them are low caste illiterates who are out to demolish people and structures for Rs.20.
If you are a true patriot, pay for their schooling instead of blasting away at your keyboard.
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read the following interview. The guy has some stuff in him.
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=hub081108Muslims_widen.asp
The interviewer is a typical mediaperson!
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Vivek, I refuse to discuss with you on grounds that your an idiot.
If your not, then back up your “insights” into Bajrang Dal.
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Almost all Hindus believe that terrorists are killing people to spread Islam. This is awfully wrong. All blasts are part of social injustice and result of complete loss of faith in Indian Justice system, police and Military.
There is another Jamat where millions of Muslims gather literally every month and almost in every part of India who teach Islam to all Muslims. Everyone knows about that including the Government, VHP, BJP, BAJ-DAL, RSS, many Hindus, Congress, CNP , SENS MNS you name it. But no one wants to talk about it because they are teaching ISLAM and it’s not harmful to anyone. The problem is whenever any Muslim or organization talks about social justice, equal rights, etc….. Khallas. It’s a terrorist organization. Example is SIMI.
Please remove your saffron glasses and see India. It has more colors than you think. It is beautiful than you imagine.
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Palahalli,
Deal :) And I refuse to discuss with you on grounds that you are a Bajrangi sloth dependent on throwing stones and reservation system for a living!
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Vivek – Nice way to throw in the towel :)
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@Shyodha
Yes you are wrong. 5 people died in those blasts in Malegaon on Sep 29. Why did you have to blatantly lie that casualties were zero? Offcourse you knew they were not.
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http://renjithmn.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/an-election-year-indian-media-sleazy-pleasure-of-baiting-hinduism/
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