D.P. SATISH writes from New Delhi: I don’t know how many of you watched Hampi Utsava live on Udaya Varthegalu, last night. I did. The quality of the telecast was terrible. All the frames were shaking and the cameras fixed to capture the event live were swaying from left to right and right to left.
But, that’s not the real story.
The real tamasha was Asha Bhonsle‘s musical night.
It was a complete disaster. The two comperes Aparna and a person whose name I couldn’t catch were dressed up like Sri Krishna Devaraya and his queen. But, in reality they were looking like extras of the now defunct Jamkhandi drama company.
Asha Bhonsle sang three Hindi hits. There was no response from the moderate mostly local Kannadiga crowd. Perhaps she was expecting the thunderous applause she usually gets everywhere. The visibly angry and upset queen of Hindi film music stopped singing and asked the audience:
Aap kyu silent ho? Aap ko Hindi aati hain yah nahin? Thoda claps, whistling keejiye.’ (Why are you people keeping quiet? Do you understand Hindi or not? Please whistle, clap and encourage us).
Again there was no response. Not a single person from the crowd was shaking a leg or whistling. She sang one more song, asked them the same questions again, and got no answer.
Angry and devastated Bhonsle left the stage in a huff.
Her juniors continued singing some recent hits for one more hour. Even they failed to get any response from the sleepy, non-Hindi speaking/knowing crowd.
The entire musical night was looking more like a comedy show. Naturally Asha Bhonsle felt insulted because of the cold response.
I want to ask just two questions to the government/organisers of the much publicised Hampi Utsava:
# Why did they invite a Hindi singer to a 99% percent Kannada land/Utsava?
# Why didn’t they invite local Kannada singers? It is a known thing that Bhonsle and her team charges a seven-digit amount for such shows. The govt could easily have got 10 local troupes in that money.
L.K. Advani who inaugurated the Hampi Utsava and his Man Friday, Ananth Kumar, were also wearing a huge crown like mundas/peta over their head. A friend of mine sent me an SMS later saying Ananthkumar was looking like Tenali Rama!
After all it was Adhvanotsava, not Hampi Utsava!
Photograph: Karnataka Photo News
The entire blame must be pinned on the organizers of the show. Asha Bhonsle did what she is good at, and what she is paid for. It is the organizers who need to analyze the target audience and provide requisite arrangements and entertainment.
Satish – Fine analyses
it was totally disgusting.. I am happy the kannadigas did not clap.. infact they should have trown slippers n tomatoes… Wonder what the KaRaVe was doing? guess they are still not done with their celebrations…. What happened in hampi yesterday is upfront humiliation and insult to kannadigas…. what right does BJP have to use it for their party propaganda? why did Advani speak in hindi? english wud hv been better.. what was the need for him to say: “i dont know ‘KannaD’, i spoke in hindi.. but still u all heard silently”.. what was the need for aparna to call him the future prime minister? what the hell is goin on there… nenne Krishnadevaraya tanna gori-yoLage kaNNeeru surisirabeku….
It is intriguing that DPS has chose to critisize the all that is against Kannada, when he himself has chose to remain with the Anglicized Channel CNN IBN.
Why dont you walk the talk ?
Switch to Kannada channel then improvise it rather than being with a English Channel.
He talks about lofty ideals which he is not able to meet either.
and like always, I bet that local artistes wouldn’t have been paid even 1/4th of what has been paid for these popular artistes from Mumbai/North…
Shouldn’t Hampi Utsava be a showcase of the local talent?
DPS,,
I always felt that you are that someone, a genuine kannadiga in English media who always portray Kannada-Kannadiga sentiments properly on English media. I was very angry with the way you had written about Fullin-Pa episode, where KaRaVe did the right thing by asking him to speak in Kannada in assembly, which he responded very positively by going a step ahead and taking KRV membership.
Today’s piece is simply the best. You’ve posed the right questions to BJP idiots. Don’t you think it’s one more attempt to make Kannadigas feel inferior about their own language by asking them, “hindi nahi aati kya? “. Why should Kannadigas learn hindi?? Kannadigas are Indians because they don’t speak Hindi, Kannadigas are Indians because they don’t fall prey to hindi imperialism.
Shame on Yeddy and Reddy that they neglected Kannada artists and brought some bollywood tamashe to remind us of our glorious history of vijayanagara empire..
Why will the govt spend money to celebrate Hampi Utsava or Kittur utsava ?? For a simple reason that people should be reminded off the glorious past, culture, heritage. Now, if bollywood tamashe is what is there for Hampi utsava, one can imagine what bull crap our govt has in mind about these very festivals.
You see, people of Karnataka, just dont enjoy Hindi music, and this stood amazing evidence to the fact.
Why dont some people just get it?!
And whoever out there is all “Wow”s for Asho Bhonsle’s singing talents, there’s one cacophony I wish to point out here – why the hell did Asha assume her audience in Hampi were going to be Hindi understanding people – an emotion that was evident in her question!!
And as always, our govt. has just licked its kingmaker’s a** by inviting singers close to those hindi hearts.
People of Karnataka should file mass RTIs on the govt. spending towards Hampi Utsava, and demand to understand the benefit (to us) of the expenditure towards promoting non-kannadiga talent on Karnataka soil.
When Reddys have enlarged their influence by MINE power and encroached on Kannada land what else can we expect? This is only the beginning and much worse can be expected if Kannadigas are not alert
Wow.. what a gift to Kannadigas just one year before VIJAYANAGARA SAMRAJYA COMPLETING 500 YEARS of its existance.
The ruling BJP is serving their masters at the centre who care a damn about Hampi Utsava. They dont even know how to grow politically. BJP would have gained a lot if they had organised programmes in Kannada. A classic case of Hindi Imperialism is here for us to see. Emphasising to all Kannadigas that they are 2nd class citizens in their own country?
Well Done BJP, you will now face the wrath of Kannadigas.
The so called utsav was worse than the pillage that happened in Hampi. Instead Yeddy,Reddies & Cheddis could have arranged a separate rath yatra for their masters far from Hampi and also Asha Bonsle, Sony Nigam show under some deferent name should have been arranged somewhere close where Kormangala, Indranagar folks could go.
I am trying get appropriate proverb in kannada…
“ಹೊಳ್ಯಾಗ ಹುನಿಷೆನ್ನು ತೊಳೆದಂಗ್ ಆಯಿತು..”
Don’t be surprised by next Hampi Utsava u might find telugu playback singer might perform on this stage
I am now convinced that Azamgarh is a total shitpot and a certified jackass.
According to Azamgarh’s brilliant logic, Kannadigas should not be maintaining this blog (it is in English after all), Kannadigas should not even write the software to build such blogs (after all the programming languages are English).
Asha Bhonsle will only sing in Hindi or Marathi beacuse that is what she is good at and that is what she has done all her life and that is what people come to listen to.If the organisers are foolish to invite her for a typically Kannada festival, It’s not her mistake.Why do our polititicians repeatedly ignore local talent is simply astounding! There are enough singers in Karnataka of various genre and yet these chaps continue to goof while organising such events.
Does any one have any idea how to make this yeddy and all his doDDi realise their mistake? Just saw the news clippings where adhvana Advani said he will take part in the Hindi oops sorry Hampi utsav(a) even in the next year………………… khandita krishnadevarayana bhootane bandu enaadru maaDbeku
Does any one have any idea how to make this yeddy and all his doDDi realise their mistake? Just saw the news clippings where adhvana Advani said he will take part in the Hindi oops sorry Hampi utsav(a) even in the next year….. khandita krishnadevarayana bhootane bandu enaadru maaDbeku
I agree with Dipsy! What a disgrace! Yeddi and company must be whacked on their bums with the heaviest canes possible!! Also why Asha Bhosle? She and her sister should have stopped singing in the mid 80s. I am begnning to suspecc there is something in the Marathi soil these mediocrities continue for ever and ever!
BTW what was that jumped-up politician Ananthu up to? He has that sly smile of a paedophile. No wonder he would have looked like a clown because he is one!
Also I agree with Herbs (HRBS). With Reddy in charge of the show this is only to be expected! Can’t wait to see Dirty Devegowda’s comments and sadly he will be right this time.
why couldn’t the great asha bhonsle learn a couple of kannada songs before coming here? and why didn’t anyone ask her, “nimage kannada ondaksharaanoo barallva?”
H.R.Bapu Satyanarayana,
Krishnadevaraya was a Telugu king of Andhra origin. It is unfortunate that Kannadigas are threatening the Reddy’s here.
Bellary Reddy’s have taught enterprener spirit to Karnataka. While Diwakar Reddy has been for adding Anantpur District into Karnataka.
Reddy’s have been marshalling the cause of Karnataka in Bellary,Kolar and Bengaluru regions. They are closely connected with Vokkaligas or Gowdas..
As far as DPS is concerned he must land from Delhi into Karnataka and work towards its upliftment. He seem’s to be tom tomming the cause of an English media. Which is neither Hindi nor Kannada.
He is an American stooge representing CNN Worldwide. The channel known for ANTI-INDIA propagonda through the Lou Dobbs Show.
I was afraid the BJP would start doing such things.
Maybe, blaming the BJP is not right..we should probably boot Yeddi and Co for displaying less than mediocre imagination and independence of thought.
Let Yeddi follow Modi. Let him become independent in thought and action. Like Modi is a great Gujarati, let Yeddi become a great Kannadiga..This will compliment Indianess…and not thwart it.
Wow! Is this Asha woman still alive and singing too! People would have whistled and clapped if some miserly clad hindi starlet was dancing and giving jhatkas on stage, instead of this McCainish singer of yester years.
So lesson to the BJP, If they want to promote Hindi or Hindi culture in ‘Karnatak’, remember to bring some masaala starlets from Bollywood next time.
Tenali Rama was a Great man, he has made enormous contribution to Telugu literature.
Garlapati Tenali Ramakrishna (Telugu: తెనాలి రామకృష్ణుడు), popularly known as Tenali Rama and Vikata Kavi, was a court-poet of the Vijayanagara Empire in the 16th century CE. He one of the Ashtadiggajas who were patrons of Krishnadeva Raya and is also referred to as Tenali Raman.
Scholars treat his famous work Panduranga Mahatyam as one among the Pancha Kavyas, the five great books of Telugu Literature. He has dedicated Panduranga Mahatyam to Viruri Vedadri. [2] This book is about the Pundarika Shetram on the banks of river Bhaimi and its legend. He also composed Udbhataradhya Charitram on the story of Udbhata, a monk, as well as Ghatikachala Mahatyam about Ghatikachalam, a place of worship for God Narasimha near Vellore, Tamil Nadu.
Tenali Ramakrisna was not a Joker, he was like Berbal in the Akber’s court.
It was disgusting for me to see the name Hampi Utsav. Should n’t be Hampe Utsava?
Good, the local people did not clap for Asha Bhonsle’s songs. They did well. What audacity that woman has to ask locals “dont you know Hindi”. Somebody should have retorted back saying “dont you know Kannada”
They showed their anger by not reacting to her.
Dont we have Kannada artists/singers?
As someone has said we should blame it on the organisers.
Reddys have not encroached on any land. Stop saying like that.
Dont blame it on Yeddy or Reddy. However both had the power to stop it or put pressure on the organisers to conduct programmes in Kannada.
Blame it on Ananth Kumar who was responsible for this. Many among us must have been aware that his love for “national language”. Is Kannada a anti national language?
It is nothing but Hindi imperialism.
DP Sathish
Dont insult Tenali Rama by comparing him to Ananth Kumar.
I always enjoyed reading Tenali Rama’s witty stories and comics.
Tenali Rama is intelligent, smart, and sharp
There is no dearth of talent in Kannada singing industry. Instead of making use of the moment to give an opportunity to promote folk music etc the govt has made a historic moment look ridiculous on TV.
I am happy that the audience did not clap……
One can question why the programme was ill organised. Thats how it should be.
But DPSatish takes this as opportunity to score points against BJP. Ananthkumar being referred to as Tenali Rama and Advanotsava etc are all ill humour. Shame on DP satish.
# Why did they invite a Hindi singer to a 99% percent Kannada land/Utsava?
-> i heard music has no language
-> Shivaji, a non-kannadiga and of course whose territory gell outside the vijayanagara empire drew inspiration from Vijayanagara and gave contributions to Virupaksha temple. We should reject them ?
-> As a kannadiga, if u are so proud of Vijayanagara – use ur journalistic skills and make “karnataka gata vaibhava” book by Alooru Venkataraya available to people. Or, do some dedicated work on hampi like Dr. Chidanandamurthy.
-> Telugu people also take pride in Krishnadevaraya. So according to u, only kannadigas have a stake in Vijayanagara ?
Satish, grow up and stop using hindi vs kannada to score ur political points.
Why dont the people of south karnataka understand that Hindi and Kannada can co-exist.
Becuase of pre-state-reorganisation conditions, north karnataka has heavy influence of hindi/hindustani music. So whats wrong if people assume that kannadigas in general know Hindi ?
I simply dont like this hindi-bashing attitude of south karnataka people. Know that equally significant contribution to kannada cause is done by people of north karnataka – without any royal patronage.
I agree that the organizers screwed up, but why are some idiots trying to blame Asha Bhonsle here? Some jackass above said that Asha Bhonsle should have learnt Kannada before coming!! How assinine can one get?
She is paid to do a job, and she tried to do her job, which is to sing Hindi songs. The organizers of the show need to get a rap on their knuckles for screwing up so badly. I mean, who is happy now? The audience did not get entertained, the rest of the state which watched the show on TV are pissed off, the BJP government will get severly abused, the organizers will get a caning, and Asha Bhonsle is unhappy at the response she got.
What were the organizers thinking?
I got one more SMS. Actually Ananth Kumar was looking like Narasimha Raju!
Vijayanagara kingdom is both Kannada and Telugus kingdom. Both languages flourished. If you see enclaves of Telugus in Karnataka, Tamil Naadu or Kerala or Kannada enclaves in Andhra Pradesh, Maharshtra, Tamil Naadu, it is because of Vijayanagara empire.
Both Kannada n Telugu literature flourished during Vijayanagara period.
Can’t you see Srisailam, Mantralaya have more Kannada speaking piligrims?
As an artiste Asha Bhonsle wanted good response. It is the fault of orgainsers.
@ Vikas
How many in Hindi speaking belt can identify or understand Kannada/Telugu/other languages?
If you ever sing even a Kannada song in Hindi speaking area’s functions , you will be jeered at!!
HAMPE UTSAVA allava
adyake janaru Hampi Utsava barithare?
@Doddi Buddi
I agreee with you all those organisers should be spanked with big and big hot iron rods!!
@babuds,
yeddi had plans for an item number from bollywood, but instead went with Asha Bhonsle as he didnt want to risk a heart attack to Advani ;)
But someboady needs to tell that Bhonsle woman to stop retire from screaming i.e singing …
Same applies to Mysore dasara programs. Why should sukhwinder singh come and arachuko hoarsely in mysore? I attended the show and the crowd was composed mostly of our padde hudugaru. Sonu Nigam is much more tolerable because he has atleast a few popular kannada numbers to his credit. Long forgotten hindi/marathi fossils are not welcome.
DB, Your comment abt anath kumar was a gem! ROTFL!
No doubt Asha Bhonsle is a legendary singer. The organizers should have thought before inviting her.
I don’t understand why the government is ignoring the local talents. Why are they hell bent on making all Utsavs an entertaining event rather than making them serve as platforms for new talents? Does celebration mean only peppy film songs, some dhoom dhadaka dances and nothing else? It is regretable to see that all our Utsavs, including Dasara, are becoming like some marketing events, attracting tourists subsequently income generation, than celebrating our culture.
I would completely agree Asha Bhonsle should not be blamed for the programme provided she had done her duty well. She has spent decades of wonderful singing and now at 76 she better understands her own physical limitation in singing. Atleast let me know one song which sounded good – the basic Shruti was not even maintained in her singing. She literally murdered Shruti and Laya in her concert (so called parents of our music). Forget about the language of singing – I did not even feel there was any honest effort / practice / preparation for the programme. There was absolutely no co-ordination between the musicians on the stage. She has pocketed lakhs of rupees for the TAMASHA she created on the stage and for the adocity with which she condemned / insulted the local audience. The road side orchestra would have done a better job. These people should have stopped singing long back – its high time Lata and Asha sisters understand that and give opportunities to other capable singers. Our organizers did a big mistake by inviting her and she did a bigger mistake by performing so badly.
@ Vikas,
Music may not have a language, but it must be relevant to the place and the occasion. For example, how will it be if I play carnatic music in a discotheque. Ppl may simply not like it, many of them may not be able to appreciate it. Similarly, playing rock and jazz on thyagaraja’s aaradhane will be stupid.
This is not about Hindi bashing attitude, also such a reaction is not just confined to South Karnataka. When govt screws up like this, some ppl will rightly develop insecurity about the future of Kannnada. There is no need to promote Hindi in state govt functions, also there is no need for the govt to subtely tell the ppl. ” Hey, learn Hindi. It’s getting accepted”.
Also the dance performances that followed was like “Dristi bottu” to the whole thing. I think Krishnadevaraya did not die 500 years back – he actually died when the organizers presented such programmes in Hampi Utsav.
The Hampi Utsav this year is not a “Nada Habba” as it was last year. I attended it and we had Hariharan singing. The crowd was enthusiastic and vibrant.
This year it is more of “Reddy habba” with the reddy brothers and their cronies managing the whole show. They did not even have the courtesy of calling M P Prakash, the respecetd leader of the District whose brain child this utasav is. This was more as a show of BJP with Advani, anath Kuamr coming in prcession. I do not unesdrtand as to why Advani has to be brought in procession on tis occassion? Sick.
When a community festival degenerates into a “party festival” what else can one expect for.
@vikas,
If u r following the hampi utsava, u ll notice that people from all states are performing. Kannadigas have no problem with that. The problem is why was the program atarted with a hindi song by a hindi singer who is in no way related to the program. Her performance was for entertainment and not as part of any states’ team. So it should have been in Kannada.
Why should people not raise their voice if Hindi is taking a place which Kannada deserves? Where comes the question of hindi bashing?
Azamgarh is a RSS or VHP guy hoping for muslim bashing by using a nick associated with terrorism. Kannadigas are least interested in north indian BJP inspired terrorism and his attempts to solicit adverse comments on muslims have been futile. He or She should be totally ignored
Encouraging Hindi will have very adverse reaction on Kannada culture and Kannadiga way of life. Karnataka will be flooded with people from Hindi speaking north and the trickle will turn into a flood that will serve BJP cause. In Maharashtra efforts are in progress to stop the tide and local politicians are assisting Shivasena. Here, in Karnataka will KRV get support from government. If you observe closely, increasing number of north indian hindi speaking police officers are being posted in karnataka. This is a conspiracy by north, and all kannada lovers should protest.
Our own Bidri Sir’s son in law is the DCP of Andheri Mumbai. Do you want him thrown out of Maharashtra? His son is an SP in Rajasthan, and is it a Kannadiga conspiracy?
What u Kannadigas dont know hindi??? that bajarangi guy who proudly claimed his organisation’s hand in vandalising churches recently in Karnataka, spoke on TV in Hindi with albeit with heavy accent…
All u Sanghis in Karnataka better learn Hindi very fast otherwise ur Sangh Parivar overlords from north will become very angry.. lol!!!
oops! “spoke on TV in Hindi with albeit with heavy accent…” this should read “spoke on TV in Hindi albeit with heavy accent…
Btw it was really funny to see that bajarangi guy making a fool of himself as tried to convey his pov in Hindi. It was full of grammatical mistakes and wrong use of words ….total fun..lol!!!
Enemy of the Kings:
You are absolutely right. While the organizers of the show need to be castigated for their goof-up (inviting the wrong person to the wrong occasion at the wrong time), these ‘Conspiracy Theories’ are amusing and irritating.
Some of the prevelant feeling of alienation and second-class treatment is true, but a lot of it is ‘perceived injustice’. From the time of independence, IAS/IPS officers, Bank employees, paramilitary and military forces, etc. have been travelling throughout the country. Biharis have served in Karnataka, Kannadigas have served in Maharashtra, etc. etc.
Some people go overboard in their perception of injustice and begin looking for conspiracies everywhere and manage to generate conspiracies even where there are none.
Atleast invite Sonu Nigam, Shreya Ghoshal, Sunidhi Chouhan next time. They can definitely sing melodious kannada songs….so that we have a balance, hindiwallahs singing kannada songs and everybody is happy….and let Mano murthy score the music for this show.
And let the paper tiger advaani learn some rudimentary kannada (not kannad) by the time he becomes PM if at all. And let us call it Hampi Utsava…not some anglicised/hindiased “hampi utsav”
Fazlur,
Your intentions are similar to ISI. You seem to been dividing the Indian folks based on regionalism.
I guess you need to take into perspective that India is one culture and we are free to work as per the constitution.
I see that you are bad mouthing me through various comments. I will be forced to charge you with defamation if this continues.
Asha Bhosale’s comments were insulting. The organizers should have better prepared her for this.
Aprt from that there are several issues mixed up here and they should be seen in the right perspective. There is no point blaming the organizers for everything.
For instance, the poor quality of the telecast is something the TV studio (privately owned Udaya) is responsible for.
To answer the questions posed:
#1 The singers from outside were obviously invited so people from other states could come to this festival. Events like this showcase the state’s tourism potential and can earn revenue for the state. The Dasara festival too has many artistes from outside the state. But because it is well known it does not need people with mass appeal.
#2 Local Singers – From various reports, it does look like local performers were invited but the media being media is fixated on bollywood stars.
If the organizers had not invited stars then the same media would have blamed them of reducing a famous festival to a local event.
The people who wore the petas did so as a symbolic gesture and to respect local culture. Snide remarks about those are unwarranted.
@Tarlemaga,
Looks like you are one of those gulty who came in search of food and shelter to k’taka and still think you are part of “Gultuland”.
Why don’t you go over there with yoy family and friends?
As per your comment it looks like K’taka will perish without these reddis (Oh god please create/generate more reddies so that k’taka will be saved).
These gulty guys are more dangerous than Tamils because they work behind your backs. And see the connections they have. Compared to other south states SP is the place where you see more unity and that is at a very dangerous to K’taka( Please don’t read me wrong here). Need of the hour is unity among Indians and not within the state.
What songs did Shrimathi Bhonsle actually sing?
Readers of this blog might be interested in seeing the amount of mud being slung at Bhimsen Joshi in Thatskannada.com on the occasion of his receiving the Bharatharathna. Many say Panditji is no Kannadiga at all and that we have little reason to jubilate over his receiving the award. What if were a great Kannadiga with no talent to speak of?
It should be Hampe Utsava
yaakri ellaru Hampi Utsav anthira?
Hampe Utsava
@DR. Sree Reddy,
You half Kannadigas (Innardha Telugu!) don’t know anything about Kannada dialects. It is Hampi in Uttara Karnataka dialect. Hampe is in Uttara Karnataka.
Hampe is Mysore Kannada. We Mysore Kannadigas are like Hindi speaking arrogant northies. We always believe and boast that our Kannada is the best and correct Kannada.
It is Davanageri, Bagalakoti/kota, Shimaggi, Tarikeri, Arasikeri, Mysoora, Bengaloora, Mangaloora Moodigeri, etc ….. in Uttara Karnataka dialect.
Before abusing non – Kannadigas, you (including me!) arrogant, kudumi type white collor Mysore Kannadigas must learn how to respect Uttara Karnataka people and their dialects.
@ Kashyap
guluts aka Telugus have not come to Karntaka in search of food and shelter as you claim. They were here before you came. With a name like yours, it looks to me that you are a migrant from the nprth of Vindhyas.
Before you make comments on Telugus, get some lessons in History of Kannada, Karnataka.
My goodness
How petty will we get with this. North Indians vs non Northies, Teulugu vs Kannada vs Tamil. Now north vs south Karnataka. Where will this end? People from one part of Bengaluru will accuse those in newer extension of not being true Bengalurinavaru?
enri… Yaaro hindi -auru bandhu karnatakana koLLe hoDithidaare andre nee hulti, nee uttara karnataka, nee mysore karnataka antella jagaLa maadtheeralla.. Britishnouru bandu hodru, aadre namge budhdhi maatra bandilla.. british nouru maaDiddanne bharatha sarkaara hindi heerike roopadalli maaDtide..
@Dr. Sree Reddy,
I am a proud kannadiga by heart and sole. Evveryday I request god to give atleast 1% of love i have towards kannada to every kannadiga and kannada will be always in the prayers I do (i’m not Exaggerating).
If I apply the same logic to you I can assume you are a gulty, but I have read many comments that you have written and was thinking that you are also a kannadiga by heart….sorry to say you proved me wrong.
Also I am not saying if you love kannada you should hate telgu or tamil or malayalam or whatever other indian languages….i never do that but at the same time i don’t feel i should respect them because i have never seen any non-kannadiga respecting kannada…so why should i? ( i love gandhigiri but not in case of language).
Only thing these tmails, telgu and others do is as soon as you say you are a kannadiga they will say your movies suc@. That shows their arrogance, ignorance and what not. As per most of these guys movie is the indication of the way people are from that region what nitwits.
@Coffee addict
I am not half Kannada. I am fully a Kannada person. :(
Apologies for not knowing that they were using north Karnataka dialect.
I was under the impression that they were using Hindi. But why then Utsav?
Would you enlighten me on this you arrogant Kudumi type white collar Mysoru Kannadiga(that includes me), why is it Utsav? :)
@Coffe addict
In addition, you are half Kannada ( and other half Coffee).!
@ Kashyap
Please stop accusing Telugus like that.
There are many who speak Telugu at home but love Kannada and Karnataka more than anything else in the world.
I could not make much out of your posting.
If you interpret people’s intentions in a different way, I am not responsible.
Before asking non-Kannadigas to respect Kannada, have you ever asked how many Kannadigas( whose mother tongue is Kannada )respect Kannada.
Whether I am a truly a Kannadiga by heart depends on my conviction rather than your comments.
Dear Dr. Reddy and Kashyap et al:
I’ve noticed your anti-outsider sentiments previously. You seem to hate them. Let’s be very clear on one thing (since you have spoken out against influx): every Indian has every right to go and settle anywhere. Every inch and acre of Bangalore and Karnataka belongs to everyone in India and they have every right to settle there. There can be no distinction between a person from Patna in Banglore and a native Kannadiga in Bangalore-in any case, “native” Kannadigas don’t exist-all of them are migrants to Bangalore too. Biharis and North Indians do not need visas to visit Bangalore, they will come in as large numbers as they feel like coming. Please remember: every person in Bangalore is an Indian first and foremost. A North Indian and a Kannada speaker are Indians first. Don’t distingush between them.
Secondly, you’re talking about outsiders in Bangalore? What would Bangalore be if it weren’t for outsiders? Let’s be honest here: Kannadigas are the nicest of people but take outsiders out of Bangalore and it will go back to being a sleepy cityy in south India. It’s the outsiders who added fizz and spark to the city. The perked it up and made it boom-in collabaration with the locals no doubt. From breaking stones to build the roads you drive on to making the code which made Bangalore world famous-outsiders had a hand everywhere. Face it, Bangalore went from being a small, sleepy, babu city full of government servants with no nightlife. The outsiders poured in (who are Indians BTW and don’t need your permission or a Karnataka visa to settle in Bangalore) came and the results are there in front of you. The city boomed and boomed.
You’re buying a house? Check the construction site-they’re outsiders.
You’re driving on the road? Check the people breaking stones-outsiders.
You’re getting a job in an IT company? Check who started it-its outsiders.
You’re using the International airport? Check who’s welcoming you-it’s outsiders.
There can’t be any outsiders in India. Or North Indians or South Indians or Maharashtrians. There are only Indians. Every inch of land in India belongs to every India, from Gujarat to Assam and from Punjab to Kerala. There can be no ideal demography of Karnataka (i.e. some ideal Kannada-non/Kannada ratio %) or any state for that matter. Because where ever you go, it’s one country.
Kannadigas have every right to go and change the demography of Bihar. Just the same, Biharis have every right to do the same in Karnataka. Because just as the whole of Karnataka belongs to all Indians (therefore Biharis) the whole of Bihar belongs to all Indians (therefore Kannadigas).
@Dr. S. Reddy,
Thanks. They should call it Hampi Habba.
Coffee is Karnataka’s first international product. We produce 70% of India’s total Coffee production. So, I am a full Kannadiga.
Apart from all these, the government did not have the guts or the channel cared two hoots to the government by not telecasting the event in Chandana. Our Kannada channel has all the resource and conncetivity to telecast Brahmostav from Thirupathi (I am not against it, but if they can do that why did they not do the Hampi Utsav?)
Surely money has changed hands between government and Udaya channel.
@Coffee addict
nimma lekka thappuri
Karnataka produces 70% of coffee agreed. and you consume 50% of it. Otherwise you wont be full person. got it? :)
eega neevu nanna Half Kannadiga anthira?
@Proud Indian
I dont hate outsiders. Yes I do dislike or detest people who look down upon our Kannada/ Karnataka culture and who act snobbish and refuse to learn the local language and who try to impose their languages on us.
I am of the view, if we go to Bihar we should use their local language and respect their culture at the same time retaining our identity as Kannadigas.
@Proud Indian.
You statement “Every inch and acre of Bangalore and Karnataka belongs to everyone in India and they have every right to settle there ” is not true.
Let’s not be fooled. Does your house belong as much to other Indians as it does to you? Dude, dude, noooooooooooooooooooooooo! KA belongs to the Kannadigas and the Kannadigas alone. Anybody else setting foot on KA is a visitor, not a resident. The visitor must necessarily abide by the laws of KA and respect Kannada culture and language. Period. The fact that the visitor does not need a visa to enter KA does not take away that duty on the part of the visitor.
What you call as “divisiveness” and “parochialism” is in reality diversity and patriotism, the very foundation of India’s unity. A Hindi who is patriotic to KA in KA strengthens India, whereas a Hindi who is patriotic to Uttar Pradesh / Bihar in KA is a nail in India’s coffin.
The sort of pan-national vision consisting of linguistic and cultural unity which you talk about is non-existant, and is only assumed by the Imperialists. The one and only pan-national vision of every Indian is one’s patriotism towards one’s own Linguistic People and Land. There is no pan-India vision for a Kannadiga other than a Kannadiga’s patriotism towards fellow-Kannadigas and Karnataka.
So, What are the centrifugal forces that keep the nation as one?
The only common aspiration of Indians is loyalty and patriotism to his/her own linguistic people and his/her own linguistic territory. There is no common aspiration over and above that. Yes, there is a common aspiration to be secured against attacks from outside India, but that too is just another form of the same patriotism towards one’s own linguistic state. Kannadigas wish that the border between India and Pakistan be secured because of the fear of bomb blasts in Karnataka. Kannadigas shiver at the news of bomb blasts elsewhere in India because of the fear that those blasts can potentially occur closer home. Hard as it may seem to the jaundiced ear, this is The Truth.
The real centrifugal force which binds Indians atleast at the sublime level is a common thread of spirituality that runs among the different linguistic peoples of India. We must hasten to add that this force does not have what it takes to unite India at the this-worldly level of economic activity. At the this-worldy level, there is no centrifugal force which can keep the different linguistic peoples of India united other than the force of respect for unity in diversity, which is nothing but respect for every linguistic community in India. The fact that Indians predominantly follow what has come to be known as Hinduism does not make them forget the internal linguistic and cultural differences.
But at the this-worldly level, the different linguistic peoples of India must compete with each other – Kannadiga with Tamil, Telugu, Hindi, Oriya, etc – and struggle to promote their own interests. We must never forget that India’s history is full of wars between the different linguistic states, even though they all ultimately bowed down to the very same Upanishads, the very same Vedas or the very same teachings of the Buddha or the Tirthankaras. These wars were fought for this-worldly reasons notwithstanding the clear and present unity at a spiritual level.
India can be made stronger only by recognizing that unity among its different linguistic peoples cannot be enforced by indulging in Hindi Imperialism. Doing so only destroys the spiritual unity which exists among Indians, whether they are Kannadigas or Marathis or who-have-you.
That comment by ‘Proud Indian’ above brought an interesting thought to my mind: how about Kannadigas moving en masse to Bihar and changing the demography of Bihar? :-)
@ Proud Indian
Did you say without outsiders Bengaluuru becomes sleepy town?
Dont you worry about that.
It was never a sleepy town. People who came from outside and did not bother to know Bengaluuru’s lively life said such things.
It is always vibrant with acitivism in many areas: research, education, theater, fashion, drinks etc
@proud Indian,
Outsiders adding fiz and spark??,
Bangalore was always full of spark, think vijay mallya, feroze khan etc.
If still in doubt watch Raj kapoor movie Shri 420 (1956), at a junction on old madras road, two sign boards are shown, one leading to Bangalore and the another to Madras, at this sign Raj kapoor tell one is a rich city(bangalore) the another a poor one.
@ Proud Indian
Firstly, not just u but we all are also proud Indians. No one can stop anybody from moving across India. But the issue is much more complex than that.
Your understanding and information about pre-IT boom bangalore is really limited. It’s not true that there was no spark and activity in Bangalore. I don’t have the enthu to explain it to u bcos I somehow feel u may not appreciate it.
U seem to suggest that the only way to integrate and bind India is by a churning of it’ s population aimed at making people forget or loose their culture language etc. I feel that the Biharis must continue to remember and identify themselves as Bihari’s and not give up that identity, also at the same time respecting everything thats existing in any other place they move to. We just have to get comfortable with our non-indian identities also…….instead of disowning/destroying it. So please lets exercise some restraint and sanity before we start saying that the demography of India or parts of it need to be changed.
ayya proud indian
the idea of india is itself new…there never was one single India.. more like collection of independent states..ruled by different kingdoms
Bengaluru was great before there were any “outsiders” and it will remain so… if you think that greatness of Bengaluru is due to the influx of “outsiders” it is utter foolishness on your part.
And do give this “Indian” and “Indian right” sermon to your fellow Kashmiri muslims..who somehow don’t think like you.
Now a days it has become a fashion to write in blogs that “I am an Indian and I have the right to settle down anywhere in India” which is not TRUE as people from other states can not settle down in Kashmir and such restrictions are there for many other places in the country too. If the rate of influx of outsiders goes high which is already alarming in some of the states then they will also press for such laws. Laws are only applicable at that point of time for that place and will change at the will of the people who are inhabitants of that place.
Maha Raja of Mysore merged his erstwhile independent kingdom with the Indian Union with hope that life of Kannadigas would improve and definitely not to make his kingdom a refugee camp for Biharis. Yes, VISA is not required to come to Karnataka and no one should misuse that generosity of the Kannadigas. In fact VISA is not required to visit Nepal also. Some time back no VISA was required to visit Common-Wealth countries and we all know what happened because of that. In the days of yore no VISA was required to visit any place throughout the world. Even now VISA is not required to visit Antarctica, Moon, Mars and most of the places in the universe. Just because VISA is not required does not mean the person coming to any place to settle down has no business to spoil the local culture and impose their alien culture.
What I have studied and what my elders have taught me in my childhood is that we should love our family, our neighbours, our village, our state and finally our country in that order. If I am not a good Kannadiga, Tamilian or a Maharashtrian, I can never be a good Indian. Only in the public forums, blogs and discussions everyone talks about broad mindedness while having 6 feet compound walls with glass pieces stuck on top to prevent outsiders entering their houses and they talk about broadmindedness.
India is an union and not homogeneous state as envisaged in our constitution. Our constitution has undergone many amendments and the time is not far when restriction on uncontrolled migrations will be included to prevent the entire country going the Assam way. Instead of talking big words when you migrate to a state adjust to their culture. No one will move to a place with noble intention building or developing that place or state. They only go there for the sake of their stomachs and rest of the things are just by-products.
@Proud Indian,
My God, U r a totally brainwashed Kannadiga.. if at all u r a Kannadiga.
Please remember: That a Kannadiga is Indian because he/she is Kannadiga. Not the other way round.
U seem to be stuck with this thing of “OUTSIDERS” doing this and that:
Please note:
Bengaluru had electricity way back in 1906. First city in Asia to have electricity… This was not by OUTSIDERS.
Bengaluru had IISC, had BHEL, BEL, BEML, ITI, HAL, HMT…. so Bengaluru was not sleepy city. It was very cultured, civilised city,
And coming to the IT industry for which Bengaluru is becoming famous, point of attraction etc etc: Who brought in IT industry to India?? Who was the pioneer? Narayana Murthy.. Is he outsider? No NO NO… if the fisrt IT company to be started was by an outsider, it wud have been outside our state… So ur theory of outsiders bringing this does not hold. Of course many others followed,,, but who started it is the point.
And then…. Bengaluru has not benefitted from OUTSIDERS… it is OUTSIDERS who have benefitted. They come here to earn their bread, to realise their dream… The road for this was lied down by Government of Karnataka… not outsiders,,,,
Karnataka has highest number of engineering colleges… so people come here to study n get jobs.. so again they exist here cos of Karnataka and not the other way round………..
@Jacko
Speak for yourself. I’m a Kannadiga and do not endorse your views. There is a line between having expectations from migrants and being totally xenophobic.
Hemmeya Kannadiga,
Rightly said.
If population control is not an enforceable law in the badlands of Bihar, UP, West Bengal, the freedom of movement will be a crime against the local people of states like Karnataka and Maharashtra.
We can either fight against the freedom of movement which leads to uncontrolled migration by the ever breeding or for mandatory population control.
But to expect any changes in the consitution towards either population control or curtailing freedom of movement will never happen.
Since the ‘majority’ elected politicians obviously represent the more numerous, they will never allow this to happen, since they dont really care about people of other states (or for that matter their own state). For them the district and cities of Karnataka are just land and a resource to be usurped and populated on, whether the local people want it or not.
And it wont take long for the effects to be seen. Already we are seeing it, in 50 years time, the demographics will have changed so much there will be nothing much left of our culture or ways of life. It will remain only in pockets as a quaint reminder of how things used to be.
That is just one generation away.
@ All,
This is why I love to hate other languages
http://thatskannada.oneindia.in/news/2008/11/07/hampi-utsav-chaos-kudos-reddy-brothers-hospet.html
Hey Proud India, me to a proud south kannadiga Indian like to say that your arguments don’t hold much water.
Bangalore(Bengaluru for me) was known as pensioner’s paradise, city of lakes, and the most famous of them “THE GARDEN CITY OF INDIA” even before the outsiders(those people who inspite of jhanda hooding in Bangalore for more than 20 years do not care to speak one word of Kannada). Now it is (in)famous for pollution, traffic jams & now called as Garbage city the major reason being the population explosion.
Now why did most outsiders come to Bengaluru, certainly not to wake the city from its alleged slumber. They came here to look for opportunities to learn, earn & make a livelihood which they couldn’t achieve in their own states or native places. Why do North Indians especially UPwallahs & Biharis migrate, simple the atmosphere in those BiMaRu states is pathetic for a normal human being able to survive.
I have fond memories of Bengaluru from my childhood of its greenery, salubrious climate & the magnificient lakes. What i see everywhere is just smoke, dust & my beloved city dying a slow death. I remember having covered entire bengaluru from Jayanagar to Hebbal with my Hero cycle during my school days without having to worry about the dreaded traffic snarls.
Please don’t turn Bengaluru into another Mumbai “Raj”
@Proud Indian…..
U r under a very wrong impression that all Kannadigas in Bengaluru are migrants…
Please note: The oldest temple of Bengaluru is in Begur on Hosur road, near BommanahaLLi. The priests of this temple are living here from many centuries. Its not correct to say that there are no native Kannadigas in Bengaluru.
And if every inch of Bengaluru belongs to every Indian, does it mean that it does not belong to Kannadigas? Does it mean that Kannadigas lose their right to the land that they have been inhabiting for thousands of years? It belongs to all Indians… I agree, but the Indians are allowed to use it without spoiling its culture and its base.
@ Dear proud Indian
I have a question to you.
Where did all those Kannadigas disppear ?
Why only outsiders find employment in all the places you have mentioned?
WHY?
@ Vinay
You have raise an interesting point. Will people be ready to go to Bihar?.
When Biharis who have migrated from their land do not want to return back, why will others go and settle there?
(Vinay, you love north allava, hogibidi, karithiddare :) )
Unfortunately when we Kannada people espouse the cause of Kannada, others come and remind us of India. There was never one India and Indian state did not try to impose or create one India in its earlier stage. There are various Indias.
Please remember ” UNITY IN DIVERSITY”
@ some one
not only priests, even people like me who speak Telugu at home and been here for centuries are also Kannadigas. We breath Kannada and we are born Kannadigas.
please read proud indian’s message properly, please.
@ advaita, AG, someone, Sandesh, Manu
Well said.
sariyagi helidiri.
Dr. Reddy, Sandesh, Vinay, Hemayya et al:
Do you know that thousands of soliders are fighting on the borders between India and Pakistan, Bangladesh and China? Would you care to guess what these soliders are fighting for? Is a Kannadiga Major in the Indian Army fighting for Karnataka? Is a Maharashtrian major fighting for Maha? Is a Bihari jawan fighting for Patna?
It is called the “iNDIAn Army, Indian Air Force, Indian Navy”.
There is no Karnataka Navy, Karnataka Air Force, Maharashtra Army.”
Can you guess who’s dominating the Army, Navy or Air Force? Its mostly non-Kannadigas and non-Marathis. They’r the ones protecting you. If you feel so strongly, will you tell Bhaiyya soldiers not to fight? Or Bihari soldiers not to fight?
“India” and “Indians” is how we are identified world over. People outside don’t even know or have heard of Kannada, Marathi or any other language or Karnataka/Maharashtra. “Indian” is what is written on your passport and all your vital documents.
To answer your queries:
The one and only pan-national vision of every Indian is one’s patriotism towards one’s own Linguistic People and Land. There is no pan-India vision for a Kannadiga other than a Kannadiga’s patriotism towards fellow-Kannadigas and Karnataka…
So call back non-Kannadiga soldiers. Call back non-Kannadiga navy, airforce. You presumably don’t need that protection.
May I know how we’re supposed to prove our Kannadiganess? Through Kannada tests by the Kannada Taliban? What will the tests be of patriotism towards Kannada/Kannadigas?
@KA belongs to the Kannadigas and the Kannadigas alone. Anybody else setting foot on KA is a visitor, not a resident. The visitor must necessarily abide by the laws of KA and respect Kannada culture and language. Period. The fact that the visitor does not need a visa to enter KA does not take away that duty on the part of the visitor-
First of all, let’s get one thing straight. There are no “visitors” here. A Bihari has every right to be there in Bangalore or Mumbai. A visitor is what you are if you’re visiting a foreign country. A Bihari going from Patna to Bangalore to take up a job (whichever job) is moving within the same country. There is only ONE India and everyone moving within it belongs to that country. All of India belongs to all Indians-from Punjab to Kerala and from Gujarat to Assam.
In case you missed it, Article 19 confers the right on every Indian (which I assume you are) to move and settle anywhere. I didn’t hear any mention of “with the exception of Karnataka/Bangalore.”
Therefore, when a Bihari comes to Karnataka, it’s just the same as a Kannadiga moving from Murdeshwar to Bangalore. Would you complain if your neighbour left Murdeshwar to come to Bangalore for job opportunities? There cannot be any distinction between a Kannadiga moving between Murdheshwar and Hubli and a Bihari moving from Patna to Bangalore. Just because one migrant speaks Bhojpuri and another speaks Kannada doesn’t matter-they’re both Indians.
Therefore the Kannadigas do not own Karnataka anymore than the Marathis own Maharashtra. Your house analogy is misplaced. A house is a piece of property which you’ve purchased with due title and procedure. It belongs to you on the basis of certain legal obligations you’ve fulfilled and and the payment of a certain sum of money to the owner/builder, state government and municipal government. When you say own the house, you mean you plot of land on which the physical structure of the house stands.
Karnataka/Maharashtra or any state is not a house. There is no 7/12 extracts or pattas on which it is written that this plot of land “hereby called Karnataka, which measures some 100000000000000 acres of land belongs to all Kannadigas”. Try to understand, you did not purchase the land which currently Karnataka encompasses. The union government has merely drawn a line around an area and called it “Maharashtra” or “Karnataka” or “Tamil Nadu”. The line is merely to demarcate one area from another. But going from state is like going from district to district or from Jayanagar to Koramangala, or from Cubbon Park to Sarjapur.
Would you oppose Sarjapur people settling in Jayanagar?
Secondly, the visitor must necessarily abide by the laws of KA and respect Kannada culture and language:-
Again, within India, the visitor is duty bound to obey the laws of INDIA. There are NO KA laws. There are Indians laws and the visitors must obey those laws. Respecting Kannada culture and language is a choice. The visitor has to obey the laws of India which are applicable eveywhere in India. But whether they respect Kannada culture or language, they have a right to settle in that part of India which is known as Karnataka.
N.B. That part of India within certain geographical limits, which is KNOWN AS KARNATAKA.
Did your fore fathers pop out from Karnataka Earth ? Understand they too were once new to this region as migrators. All Kannadigas in Bangalore and Karnataka were migrants too. They came from somewhere else and settled here. They created this demography which you see today and created this culture known as Kannada culture.
This Kannada culture today is not the same as what it was in 1800s or 1900s or 1700s. Understand that before they came to Bangalore, there was some other culture. They wiped out that culture and imposed their culture. The demography of Karnataka has been created by migrants from other parts of places. In just the same way, Biharis, Bengalis, Oriyas and countless others are also creating a new demography and new culture in Bangalore and maybe in the rest of Karnataka too-the same You can’t oppose that.
@Laws are only applicable at that point of time for that place and will change at the will of the people who are inhabitants of that place…
I didn’t get you. Aren’t Biharis, Bengalis et al inhabitants of Karnataka? Last time I checked everyone in Karnataka who has lived for 10 years there is a resident of Karnataka. “Kannada” has nothing to do with it. Otherwise we’d be holding exams in “Marathi” for Shettys, “Kannada” for Deshpandes in Hubli or “Tamil” for Telugus in Chennai. It’s not like that.
Everyone in Karnataka is an inhabitant of Karnataka for a certain number of years is local to Karnataka. Language doesn’t enter it.
Maha Raja of Mysore merged his erstwhile independent kingdom with the Indian Union with hope that life of Kannadigas would improve and definitely not to make his kingdom a refugee camp for Biharis…
Try to appreciate, of the approximately 38 million Kannadigas in the world, 4 million (check 2001 Census website for more details) are outside KA but in other parts of India. About 2-3 lakh in other parts of the world and about 33 million in Karnataka.
Those governments in those places are duty bound to care about the welfare of those Kannadigas who are natives of their states. In the same way, KA government has to care about the welfare of ALL INDIANS in KA. Not just Kannadigas. KA encompasses everybody in KA who is an Indian.
Yes, VISA is not required to come to Karnataka and no one should misuse that generosity of the Kannadigas. ..
Again you’re missing the point and talking like MNS/Shiv Sena. There is no generosity involved. Migrants are exercising the right given to them by our founding fathers.
Let me rephrase this: It’s not a “Biharis migrating to Karnataka as refugees” BUT
“Indians migrating from one part of India (geographical entity known as Bihar) to another (geographical entity known as Karnataka).
Finally, just to clarify: when you’re born an Indian, you lay claim to every part of India. From the deserts of Saurashtra to the jungles of Assam, and from the palm trees of Kerala to the snow-capped mountains of Himachal, it’s all mine. Every Indian, irrespective of birth, “owns” every part of India i.e. every place which falls within the union of India. It belongs to every Indian.
That’s why you can compete for jobs everywhere in India. Being an Indian means that even if you’re born in a poorer part of India, you have the right to better your life by migrating to a better part of India. The whole point of being an Indian is that people have the right of benefitting from the opportunities available in India, irrespective of where they were born, irrespective of whether those opportunities are not/are in some particular geographical unit.
Your place of birth could be Bihar or Orissa or worse. But India’s opportunities belong to you. If those happen to be mostly in some other geographical units (KA, Gujarat) then so be it.
That’s why North KA people move to Bangalore and Biharis go to move to Mumbai. All jobs everywhere in India belong to you-it’s up to you to claim those jobs by virtue of your merit, efficiency and hard work.
Advice to Kannadigas and Marathis:
Work hard, pull up your socks and compete. Improve your skills and learn to toil.
Please don’t turn Bengaluru into another Mumbai “Raj”..
Meaning what exactly? What you mean by turning Bangalore into another Mumbai?
Dr. Sree Reddy:
If I ‘love the North’ as you seem to think, I would have settled in Delhi/Noida, Pune, or one of the several cities that offer me employment in my field of work.
Actually it is the other way round. I want Bangalore to be THE destination for Indians in diverse fields. I want Bangalore to grow even more as an IT destination, manufacturing, apparel, other services, etc. etc. I want Bangalore to be a real International city, not just in name but also in practice.
BUT, Dr. Sree Reddy, what I want is not important. If things actually happen as I want, there will be more and more mass migration to Bangalore, which is what you are so strongly against. In that case, simple common sense would dictate that industries and SEZs need to come up in Bihar, isn’t it?
Think about it. Your grouse about influx of outsiders into Bangalore will end only when conditions are made favorable for people to migrate to Bihar, UP, Orissa, etc. Common sense, isn’t it? So, what was wrong with my comment?
@ Vinay
ayyo rama
nimage tamashe madide. yakiri kopamaadikondiri
What you say is correct: Bihar should and must have SEZs
Oye Proud “Indian”
Jaasti kuyyabeDa maraya…. you have the ability to stretch one single point ad nauseum.. “that there is something called India and an Indian constitution. It gives rights to all “Indians” to settle anywhere.”
Point taken. However, what “We” object to is your utter lack of recognition of the uniqueness of Karnataka and Kannada. This is what upsets us. And for the record, Kannada was known even during the times of Greeks (some Greek plays contain words of Kannada). Anyway, I have no enthu to educate you on Kannada and Karnataka.
” Respecting Kannada culture and language is a choice”
I guess your attitude speaks for itself. Nothing more to say.
@ Proud Indian
I think you are trying to justify your existence in Karnataka by saying all that you have written. Peopel will come and settle in Karnataka and will not learn Kannada, will not respect local culture. But they should be treated as inhabitants of Karnataka. What logic is this?
How many in your state Bihar/UP/ Delhi ?Bengal allow non-Hindi speakers to survive without knowing the Hindi language?
You are saying as if Bengaluuuru everybody is a migrant. We are not.
Any city consists of villages.
Villages have been in existence for centuries. Those villages get expanded or appropriated as part of city space. People leave their traditional professsions and take up new ones. This always exists in any society. How it is done and in what manner is very important.
The kind of ‘ grab the jobs’ of locals is not the way. What is Indian laws?
Why do we have state governments? This is to give proper representation of regional areas and reflect the popular sentiment of the locals.
For me first comes Karnataka then India. India is formed of many states like Karnataka.
I am born a Telugu speaking Kannadiga. It may be too difficult for you understand. Union government did not draw lines orbitrarily. The states were created in order to protect and safeguard languages.
Keep your mail short, please.
Proud Kannadathi.
@ Proud Indian:
I admire your rather elongated attempt to breath life into your thoughts and submitting that long a comment. Luckily I was patient to go through it in its entirety.
Now, I agree you want to allow all these bhaiyyas, and bhaabhis to travel all the lengths and breadths of India, and arrive at this place – either Bengaluru, or Mumbai – cos you want to make a living (too).
What next?
So isnt it such a pity that they’ve to be such vagabonds in pursuit of a “better life” all because their own land, and its poorly built governance was incapable of providing it to them? Anyway…
Are you indicating that there’s this expanse of land, called Bihar, or may be something else out there, which has suddenly become uninhabitable, has lost all its capabilities to cater to human needs – be it of food, water, healthy air, employment, commerce or whatever – and thus you now feel this diaspora is inevitable, eh? Is that what you want to indicate by throwing light on the legal conformance of this migratory act?
The question here, oh narrow minded “Proud Indian”, is not about wasting all this time to prevent some troubled inhabitants of another Indian state from entering this very fertile piece of land, but to ensure that when they do so, they do stick to dignity that the people of this land practise, and make it a point to practise it themselves too. The word Dignity here summarises all the cultural and linguistic values that come attached to the Kannada-Karnataka-Kannadiga trio.
The question here is also about the indifference that is implicit in this diaspora, and is apparently being meted out to the brethren from Bihar, while they actually deserved to be given a good life wherever they stood. Now by claiming their migration to be legal, you’re putting lives of all the remaining Biharis at jeopardy, and making way for the entire of Bihar to pursue *life* in Bengaluru or Mumbai!!!
At the end of it all, I would like to strongly urge you to take a re-look at the reason that makes you proud of being an Indian – is it just because it lets you flee a place that doesnt take good care of you to another place that you think is legally obliged to take good/better care of you? Or do you have enough pride in you to stick to that place, and *make* it give you a better life, wherever you are? You decide!
Dr. Sree Reddy:
In keeping with your advice, I will keep my comments short. Sorry for writing such a long message. My apologies.
@ Njiavaada
Dear sir, whether we like it or not, everybody, EVERYBODY is a migrant. Period. All of us have come from somewhere else. Humans did not pop out of Karnataka/Maharashtra. We are all migrants from some other place-be it Africa in this case. Over centuries and millenia, our cultures and languages have evolved to this extent. There is nothing original about us. Claims of originality come from bankrupt and Nazi-like Aryan purity of race like theories.
The division of the states was not at Independence but linguistic
division came along when political mileage was to be gained. Please read about the SRC-alloting Mumbai to Maharashtra and Bangalore was the most controversial decisions they took.
Bengaluru or Bangalore as I still call it was acquired even though the majority spoke a language other than Kannada (speak i.e. declared it as their mother tongue). As far back as 1971, only 33 % of people in Bangalore and 49.5 % of Mumbai declared Marathi as their mother tongue.
The way they KRV’s claim it as their personal fiefdom, they fail to appreciate that they themselves migrated here from somewhere else. Even the Reddy brothers are first generation migrants from AP.
The original people of Bangalore were the few villagers way back in 1300-1500. Those villagers are the only originals. How come the
KRV does not fight for their rights? Most of those villagers who are working as god knows what outnumbered by the Tamils and maybe even the Malayalis and the first generation Northies. Don’t believe me- check what the population of Bangalore was 600 years ago.
The point I am making is its not just the Kannadiga who has built
this city. Its the Kannadiga who hopes to walk away with the cake
now that it has been baked. Instead of competing in a free market economy on your merit, you want to get privelages purely because you’re born here or lived there for a certain period of time. The same applies to Mumbai BTW.
Bangalore’s most famous resteraunt (Koshys) was built by a Mallu, DRDO/ISRO etc are mostly staffed by Tamils/Northies, BEML/BHEL are full of Tamils, the software engineers ( because of whom Bangalore is famous)
are mostly Telugus, even the capitation engineering colleges depend on non-Karnataka students mostly.
@I am born a Telugu speaking Kannadiga. It may be too difficult for you understand. Union government did not draw lines orbitrarily. The states were created in order to protect and safeguard languages.
Again irrespective of where you were born, you’re an Indian. That’s why its called “Indian Army”. I’m glad you are proud of your language. Safeguading and protecting your language is the responsibilty of those who love the language. Not those who migrate to the state-unless they love that language too. The Bihari migrant does not have an obligation to protect your language, anymore than the Kannadiga migrant to Mumbai has an obligation to learn Marathi.
The kind of ‘ grab the jobs’ of locals is not the way. What is Indian laws?
There is no “law” which prevents you from taking the jobs based on your skills, merit and willingness to work hard-either in Bangalore, Karnataka or India or anywhere else in the world. The jobs don’t belong to you.
Your and KRV, MNS,SS’s attitude is best summed up in the following words:
“regionalists and cultural chauvinists, who are unwilling to compete in the open economy, but instead want the benefit of other people’s hard work by securing the privileges of their birth in a particular state.”
The link is as follows:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=&id=d8ec3de8-f50d-4221-9461-08a75f1c090c&MatchID1=4816&TeamID1=6&TeamID2=1&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1212&PrimaryID=4816&Headline=City+of+dreadful+knights
Though Kashmir is a part of Indian Union no one from other states can go and settle down there. So there is a rule in our constitution which recognises the concept of “OUTSIDER” which can any day be extended to other parts of the country.
There is no Karnataka army etc.. becuase Maharaja merged his independent Kingdom with the Indian union and earlier everything was there exculsively in our princely state. Working in military is another job and we don’t need to attach too much significance for that. Given a better choice most of them would switch to other jobs. Note today maximum corrutpion is there in the Indian army. We are part this union just for the last 60 years and we have protected our culture for the last several thousands of years and we don’t need only Punajbis and Biharis for that. Note military is funded by taxpayers money and contribution mainly comes from states like Karnataka though paid as salaries to Biharis etc.. and Kannadigas exhibiting their generosity as usual. Note protection is available at a cost and many countries have purchased such military protection.
Looks like these Hindi speaking north Indians are worse than Britishers who were interested only in looting our wealth but where as these people are out to finish our culture too in the guise of Indianness and pseudo-nationalism. Looks like Kannada and culture was more secure under the rule of Britishers. Now some “XYZ Indian” is threating Kannadigas that there are more north Indians in the army. After the operation “Blue Star” even military has started quotas for various states. We have seen people like “XYZ Indian” doing anything to get VISA or to become citizen of some particular country.
If we are really broad minded we should lift the boundaries between the countries which will save crores of rupees across the world unnecessarily being spent on military activities which can be used for removing poverty and hunger. Also it will save thousands of lives of Bihari, Punjabis getting unnecessarily killed. We can all become proud world citizens without any barriers.
If the concept and intention of the Indian union is to make the languages and cultures of the states like Karnataka non entities I would prefer not to be part of such union. I can see India only through Kannada and Karanataka and everything else for me is secondary. Anyone coming in the way for me is an anti-national and enemy of our state. If I lose my language and culture which are closest to my heart what is there that this country can offer me and I can as well stay anywhere in the world.
Now a days people change countries just like that. We have many of our friends and relatives who have switched their nationalities but yet they have remained as Kannadigas which is eternal. When you go to other countries you will only find Kannada Associations, Tamil Associations, Punjabi Asscoiations, Telugu Associations etc.. and hardly you find Indian Associations this clearly shows which is closer to ones heart. When our constitution was drafted they never expected that migration will go to such an extent to destroy the native languages and cultures which otherwise would have been taken care of. Time is not far off when such laws will become reality otherwise this country will be doomed with each state becoming like Assam and northeastern states. With people like “XYZ Indian” with their imperialistic attitude I am sure that day is not far.
While squandering money on such pointless utsavs can the govt also recognise this man?
Teacher sacrifices all for Mission Kannada
M B Maramkal | TNN
Mysore: Call it idiosyncrasy or zealousness. A government school teacher has given up his job and left his home for ‘Mission Kannada’.
Rudraswamy, a high school teacher from Tumkur district, left his home two years ago to promote Kannada among students. Starting January 2007, he has visited 5,285 schools in the state.
Though a science teacher, he developed his own cognitive skills to teach the language, history, mythology, grammar and environment.
Realizing that learning is fun if teaching is creative, he has adopted music as one of the methods. His songs highlight the lives of great mythological characters from Mahabharat and Ramayana and preachers like Buddha, Basava, Kanakadas and Ambedker. Lives of 80 great personalities have been memorized in these songs. Thirteen forms of teachings developed by Rudraswamy include Chitrakale (art), Sangeetha (music), Kategalu (stories), Dharmikate (religious), Chatuvatike (activities), Nataka (drama) Nritya (dance), Naitikate (morality), Origami(paper art), Sankikale (using numbers), Jaadu(magic), Tarka (logic) and Atagalu (games). Besides, he has different programmes to suit the age and educational needs.
If nursery students are taught for two hours, college students get lectures for half-an-hour. “In some schools and colleges, teachers attend my classes without any personality clashes. For others, attending classes of a high school teacher is below their dignity” he says.
Rudraswamy feels the government and other voluntary organizations should popularize his skills to make Kannada learning more easy.
“So far, not even one government officer or a philanthropist has approached me,” he rued.
“In one or two hours, children may not grasp all skills, but my intention is to make the children and teachers know that there are easy skills to learn language,” he said.
Recalling some horrifying incidents, Rudraswamy says many a time villages refused him shelter at night and chased him away.
“During some winter nights, I had to cover my body with plastic bags and handkerchief,” he says. Rudraswamy began this yatra in January 2007 as part of Suvarna Karnataka celebrations, but wanted to end in December. But he has extended it for another year as a mark of respect to centenarian seer of Siddaganga mutt Sri Shivakumar swamiji.
We definitely need laws for population control.
It was not a problem the writers of our constitution could have anticipated.
The entire country will inexorably turn into one big Bihar in a few decades (to be fair by Bihar I mean overpopulated, underfed, lack of opportunities inspite of great natural wealth, exhaustion of the natural wealth, low quality of life, inadequate healthcare, deaths for any and every natural disaster, migration etc.).
The breeding masses and their elected leaders wont care – they will have no time or energy left beyond mere survival and producing more children. And at one point in time, there will be no turning back, since the voice of reason cannot be heard over the migrating hordes.
At least this guy proud Indian is putting forth his thoughts reasonably. In time, it wont be like that, you will just have to shut up and fade away. More likely children or grandchildren will face the effects of our inactivity towards this problem.
BTW a para from Aravind Adiga’s book:
‘Now, despite my amazing success story, I don’t want to lose contact with the places where I got my real education in life.
The road and the pavement.
I walk about Bangalore in the evenings, or in the early mornings, just to listen to the road.
One evening when I was near the train station, I saw a dozen or so manual laborers gathered together in front of a wall and talking in low tones. They were speaking in a strange language; they were the locals of the place. I didn’t have to understand their words to know what they were saying. In a city where so many had streamed in from outside, they were the ones left behind.
They were reading something on that wall. I wanted to see what it was, but they stopped their talking and crowded in front of the wall. I had to threaten to call the police before they parted and let me see what they had been reading.
It was a stenciled image of a pair of hands smashing its manacles:
THE GREAT SOCIALIST IS COMING TO BANGALORE.’
Cutting and pasting here since I typed it out in the review here :)
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/all-that-you-wanted-to-know-about-aravind-adiga/#comment-92518
anna prouda devaraya,,,
enayya olle mega serial taraha kuyta idiya,,,
ninene badkondru ashte,, karnatakadalli kannadigane saarvabhouma.. any jobs this land creates first belongs to meritorious kannadiga.
For any jobs created in bihar ( if at all any !), a bihari should be the first person to get them in bihar.
In Karnataka, Kannadiga is more Indian than anybody else. In Bihar, Bihari is more Indian than anybody else.
If your logic of everything belongs to everybody is to be taken, then why at all we need to have separate states? If your history is weak, let me remind you, we were never a country politically until 1947. Kannadigas were Kannadigas until 1947, biharis were just biharis until 1947, telugus were telugus until 1947, the identity of being Indian is new and we all accept it too,, but it can’t be an exclusive identity,, We are Kannadigas first and that’s why Indians too. Indian union was formed on one aspiration of protecting and respecting every linguistic identity this beautiful country had. Large scale, uncontrolled demographic changes in ” one or two” states alone will not guarantee this aspiration setout in Constitution.
Yes as proud Indian(actually only proud Northies in disguise).
We are trying not to make bangalore like mumbai.We don’t want to fight withourselves for a langauge which we don’t understand.
Learn kannada and end the conflict.
@ Nijavaad
I think you have a great way of saying things. I just have to admire it.
@ Proud Indian
I had replied to ur long comment which u had originally posted on some other article(the one about pt. bhimsen joshi). But u decided to copy paste ur long comment again on this topic. So i do the same to the reply.This TIME read it before u copy paste ur comment again on some other topic!
I agree we are all Indians, no offense bub, but if im not mistaken there are still states east of assam that are Indian. Nagaland, Arunachal pradesh, manipur, mizoram, tripura…they are all indian and hence u need to check ur border knowledge!
Secondly Dr. Reddy and his compatriots have nothing against “outsiders” except for the fact that they do not respect local culture! This is true! considering we pride in the diverse culture and heritage of India and unity in diversity and all that stuff, if we ourselves do not respect cultures of different parts of india, then we risk losing all our diff cultures one after the other! And hence ppl protest, if u come from diff parts to india lets say from north to south, then respect the local language and culture! That is definitely not too much to ask!
@Kashyap
“You half Kannadigas (Innardha Telugu!)”
Just so you know, Sir MV, voted as Person of century (?) by IBNLive, was also a half-kannadiga (Innardha Telugu). As Dr. Sree pointed out, maybe we (I too am a “half-kannadiga”) speak telugu at home but when it comes to respecting and loving Kannada we are second to none.
Ee reeti nodta hodre eshtondu dheemanta barahagaararu haagoo administrators na half-kannadiga anbekagutte.
Namma kannadigaranna avara paadige avaranna bidi.
If the stats given by proudindian is true then its time to stop giving permissions to any new software companies and other industries which indirectly increases the population of outsiders in bangalore and karnataka. Since the local population is not benifiting, no point in encouraging these companies to set their base here.
appa maharaya proud Indian…
from where did u get all those statistics.. Even if there are so many tamils or telgus working in all those companies, they are all very much Kannadigas. They have not affected the culture of this place in any way, hence they are not outsiders.
U r wrongly blaming that kannadigas are trying to walk away with the cake. In fact it is u and ppl like u who are trying to claim everything that Bengaluru or karnataka has to offer. For us Kannadigas, there is only one Bengaluru and one Karnataka. But for ppl like u there are many such places. If what u r doing is not wrong, then what kannadigas are doing is also not wrong.
And coming to ur claim that there are less kannadigas or south indians in army, have u ever thought why? Pls follow this link:http://enguru.blogspot.com/2008/10/bhusenege-kannada-naalaayakkamte.html.
If u dont know kannada heres the jist: there was an interview conducted for army in hassan. But lot of kannadigas were sent back cos their certificates were in Kannada.. Now pls say who is wrong.
Also, u r saying that kannadigas are scared or dont want to compete in a free market? What free market? There can be competition only when ther eis equality. When the hindi speaking crowd is outnumbering the kannadigas, where is the chance of equality? Also by the way central govt is trying to impose Hindi, it is treating us like second grade citizens in our own country.
And wht do u mean by making bengaluru international? We dont want to be international by losing our identity.. Paris is an international city. But everything abt it is French. If Bengaluru is to become an international city, it shold be with Kannada.
We are Indians. For us janani janma bhoomishcha swrgaadapi gariyasi. If u respect ur mother land, then u ll understand what kannadigas or mumbaikars are fighting for.
We are not americans to say that we dont care for our culture. We are Indians.
@ Dear Proud Indian
Unfortunately you have failed to answer my question. You say as if Engineering colleges in Karnataka prosper due to people from outside. Let me see if we close and allow the flow of capital in a different direction, where will all those fellows get their engineering/ medical degrees?
(Personally I oppose capitationfee colleges as they are nothing but reservations for the rich).
Please do not distort facts about Bengaluuru.
According to you the jobs that have been taken by outsiders, is due to locals lack of skills. I disagrre with you. The people who have been employed at BIA hardly speak English. They were speaking broken English. I am sure many Kannadigas can do that. Why do I see outsiders there?
Please stop claiming that outsiders doing this and that. As Nijavaada said you have come looking for a greener pasture to earn a livelihood. I dont think you are doing anything noble.
People have no obligation to respect local languages. I disagree with you.
If you have gone there to settle with your baggage, if you are civilised enough, you are expected to respect the local language and culture. Not impose or disrepect or show disdain to those cultures.
Look who is speaking the bhaiyyas from cow belt areas?
I think you are the most cultural and lingusitic chauvanists who hardly have any respect for tother cultures.
I dont think i dont want to be told by the likes of you. Dont say the jobs are based on skills. hahahaha
The way things are going on in Bengaluuru, it is definitely not based on skills.
@ Proud Indian
By the way
Are you aware of this
” When in Rome do as the Romans do”
In addition Proud Indian
what makes you think that the borders are not guarded by Kannadigas, Telugus, Tamils, Malayalees, Marathis?
SomeOne,
Why say the Americans dont care about their culture. They do as much as anyone else.
That is why they have visas, and allow very limited numbers to settle only after having proven their assimilation into American culture, which includes their language, civics and way of life. They will never ever allow mass migration of people with no qualifications other than a boorish attitude, crushing numbers and baby making capabilities.
In Bengaluru we have Telugu speaking kannadiga, Tamil speaking kannadiga, Rajashthani (marwaris..who owns most of the wholesale metal market) speaking kannadiga, Mallu speaking kannadiga and then we think of making kannada for kanndiga. When two telugu speaking kannadiga meets..they talk in telugu..and its true for all other form of kanndigas, though they have command over kannada language also. Its easy to choose the place of birth to become domicile of one land..but difficult to change the mother tounge. If even fourth generation Reddys speak just telugu at home inspite of the fact that they were born in kannada land, not telugu land, and love to be called as telugu speaking kannadiga what else can we expect from first generation Hindians. By the way I am not sure who all are hindia…is it Bhojpuri speaking Biharis or Awadhi speaking UPites. The other interesting fact is that Bollywood is owned by Non-Hindians..its Punjabi, Gujrati and Marathi who own Bollywood. Apart from Amitabh Bachhan, UP and Bihar does not have any stake in the Bollywood. We all are victim of commercialisation of languages.
“We are not americans to say that we dont care for our culture. We are Indians.” – You hit the nail on it’s head!
There are many Americans who bemoan such loss in their own country. Professional liberal thugs don’t hear them. These thugs in their patented liberal mindsets love to call the US a “melting pot”, an “International” country full of opportunities for “immigrants” and what not! They now claim Obama as “their” President too! *Obama’s supporters are mighty pleased about so many Germans etc loving him*…these people forget themselves just like this fellow “Proud Indian” would like Kannadigas to forget themselves and plainly, commit suicide for a “larger good”!
@Anonymous Guy:
I do not agree, Who are the native Americans and todays inhabitants of America? They are all mostly Europeans. They do not actually love their country like we do. There is a difference.
@Palahalli
Yeah, but the irony is the same thing is happening to kannadigas from fellow Indians…
What can be more ironical than Asha Bhosle, a Martahi, married to Bengali, asking kannadiga if they do not understand Hindi. why did she not sing any Marathi songs..does she not have any marathi asmita left in her or marathi cinema does not have any good songs.
One small note: It is a misconception that BIAL has not employed locals. The parking attendants, housekeeping staff, trolley operators, etc. are all locals, many of them from Devanahalli/Chikkajala and surrounding villages. The security staff are non locals of course, since there is a special body for airport security, and CRPF personnel are heavily involved.
@ BB@B
By any chance if u r making reference to me, I am defintely not 4 th generation Reddy ( Telugu speaking Kannadiga). The Reddys in Bengaluuru and Anekal have been here for centuries. We speak Telugu at home and out side Kannada. We dont respect Kannada like Hindi people do.
We dont hesitate to speak Kannada like someone do here. i know there is a writer in this Churumuri who was very hesitant to speak in kannada during his Univ days.
Good but repetitive discussion.
Dr Reddy, I were referring to Reddys in general. I were not refering to you in particular. My views are just for the sake of having an opinion on the discussion and in no way should be considered as derogatory remarks on any community.
Point I wanted to prove is that Telugus have been in Karnataka for centuries and they form good percentage in karnataka’s poulation. So why only kannada for karnataka, why not telugu also for karnataka. If union of India can have co-offical language, then why cant Kanrnataka also have. We have thrust upon kannada language on telugus knowing the fact that they are telugu speaking. We also have thrust upon kannada language on tulu speaking mangaloreans.
We need to open few pages in history book to know which other communities were involved in building bengaluru during pre-independence era. It were mostly tamilians. And now we are rewarding them by thrusting upon kannada language. Take any big cities in India for example. It was not just locals but outsiders also played an important role in building the cities. Kanndiga have play an important role in Mumbai’s development as commerce capital of India.
You know, Karnataka became part of union of India in 1956. Full 6 years after India becoming republic. Did we not know that Hindi is official language for Union of India with English as co-official before we became part of Union of India. First general election were held in 1952, why we did not oppose then that Hindi can not become language for Union of India.
Why we became part of Union of India which has Hindi as official language.
By the way, Hindi is not the language of North Indian states. Every north indian state had there own language before becoming part of India. Bhojpuri, major language in BIhar and eastern UP is trying to revive its lost glory and its movie industry is becoming second largest market after Bollywood. This is after Hindi being the official language of UP and Bihar.
SO if Bhojpuri can prosper in now Hindian state, why not kannada. Why should we limit kannada in Karnataka itself. For that matter why should we draw a boundry for language. If we can have Telugu, Tamil, Mallu speaking Kanndiga, why cant we have Kannada speaking Delhites, Telugites, Tamilians, Mallus. Lets put our energy in spreading kannada outside karnataka. Why do kannadiga leave kannada in Karnataka when they migrate to some other part of country, world.
Bollywood, the real propagator for Hindi language, is not owned by UPites and Biharis. If you leave Amitabh bachhan with his Bengali wife and kanndiga daughter in law, UP and Bihar can not claim any major contribution to Bollywood. If Non-Hindian wants to spread Hindi just to increase market for Hindi specific product including Bollywood, why should UPits and Biharis be targeted for spreading Hindi language.
@BB@B
“n Bengaluru we have Telugu speaking kannadiga, Tamil speaking kannadiga, Rajashthani (marwaris..who owns most of the wholesale metal market) speaking kannadiga, Mallu speaking kannadiga”
You forgot something….. “English speaking Kannadiga”. There is a popular joke about how two Indians speaking in English find out eventually that they are from Karnataka… internetnalli sigutte huDuki.
Telugu athava Tamil speaking Kannadigaru maneyalli matadodu haruku-muruku original bhaashe. Appata telugu/tamil alla…. maneyalli enu matadtaro bidi… horage sariyaagi Kannada matadtare taane ? Nimma hindi friends ashtaadru try madtara ? Ashtu yaake, Bangalore Kannadigaranna Kannadalli matadsi…
“Oh are you from Bangalore? Where in Bangalore? I too am close to rajajinagar” antaane uttara koDtaare….
Karnatakada Horage iro Kannada Associations ge hogi noDi… Bangalore Kannadigara taatsara/udaseena eddu kaaNutte.
“Who are the native Americans and todays inhabitants of America? They are all mostly Europeans. They do not actually love their country like we do.”
– HUGE MISTAKE. The US shares Europe’s White Western Christian civilization. They take pride in each other’s achievements. The US founding fathers modeled their government on the Roman manner.
It is our convenience and maybe guilt, that causes us to speak of the US as if it were the veritable Mother Earth, holding all in Her bosom. That way it is less painful to believe we are after all guests in America.
The US is a country like ours, with people who love her as Hindus do our own.
What you will find common to both these lands is the liberal establishment that excels in stripping us of any kind of identity that one may feel proud about. It excels in the grand sport of Self-Hate. That is what the Left-Secular brigade has done to us, that is what Obama’s supporters are threatening to do to the US.
Someone,
“They do not actually love their country like we do. There is a difference.”
BS.
What is so great about your love? What have you done so much for your country an American hasnt?
Palahalli,
Wake up and smell the coffee.
The American elections are over. The neocon nutjobs lost.
Bill O Reilly, Karl Rove, Fox News did not win the election inspite of the garbage they might be feeding you.
Ranting about ‘liberals’ and ‘conservatives’ is out of style.
And it is really funny coming from an Indian.
@Vinay
I don’t know, why u raise the BIAL issue ? But I do keep hearing regularly from the auto-drivers that the TAXI driving licenses to BIAL were given only to Hindi speaking drivers, also as u may know autos are made to stop and drop it’s passengers some 2Kms before the airport. The auto drivers claim may or may not be true, but it certainly adds fuel to fire……….
There is a correction.
It should be “We do not disrespect Kannada like the Hindi people do.
Disrespecting Kannada means disrepecting our own identity.
@Anonymous Guy:
Why are you getting personal? What I meant was, the way we Indians love our mother land is different from what the Americans do. By Americans i meant the migrants from Europe. I did not say they dont. They do but its a different feeling. They use the resources there actually exploited what Americas had by taking the native Americans out . There is cultural difference. The native americans love america like we indians love our mother land.
And to answer your question: I do not need to do any thing great to prove that I love my country. I love my country. Period. that is enough. :) I am just like any other normal citizen who cares for their culture, language, identity, salary etc.
BB@B (what does it stand for?)
The very basis of formation of states took place in order to protect and safegurad languages. Potti Sriramulu was one who demanded division of states on the basis of languages. Many regions like Hosur which predominantly has Telugu /Kannada speakers should have come to Karnataka. The residents including my grandfather and grand uncles collected signatures of the residents of Hosur taluq and sent to Mysore government to make Hosur part of Karnataka state( Mysore then). But the opposition came from none other than Chakravarthi Rajagopalachari. He was elected from and representing Hosur, I am not very sure but i think he was the CM of TN then. He did not want to loose his constituency. My paternal grandfather always disliked him for sabotaging merger of Hosur into Mysore state.
There are many regions which falls outside the geographical boundaries of Karnataka but fall very much within what we call broader category of Kannada culture.
As you see the state of Kannada as a single official language in Karantaka is pathetic, I would not want another second official language to come up. The Telugu spoken in Karnataka is different depedning on the regions from how it is spoken in say different regions in AP and its official version.
I also know people who have been in AP for centuries but speak Kannada at home. We do have various kinds of Kannada forms.
@ Sandesh
Why do you say we speak haruku-muruku bhashe at home?
That’s also a language. There is nothing like haruku-muruku.
If you linguistically analyse and research, we can trace history from it.
ayithaa.
manu:
I ‘raised’ the BIAL issue because there was a comment above w.r.t. BIAL. Based on newspaper reports, rumours, and protests by the KRV, lots of people feel that BIAL has not recruited any locals. Even I thought so, but after having travelled through BIAL a few times I can say that it is far from the truth.
I have taken a taxi from and to BIAL several times, and I have spoken in Kannada to the driver each time. Now, I do not know if they are ‘original’ Kannadigas or migrants who have learnt the language – I did not bother to ask.
But remember, the auto drivers cannot be trusted one bit in this case. They have a vested interest in maligning BIAL. Because BIAL does not allow autos till the airport. And a very sensible thing too. The NICE expressway is already complete from Tumkur road to Bannerghatta road, and autos are not allowed there either. There is a difference between freeways/expressways and city roads. Freeways are the only roads where pedestrians, cyclists and in some cases even 2-wheelers and autos are ILLEGAL, and that is how it should be.
Freeways are freeways, and city roads are city roads.
@Pradeep,
I am aware of all the contributions.
I was refering to “Tarlemaga’s” comment saying we need to learn more from “Reddies from Andhra”.
I don’t think wee need to learn from anyone. As such I don’t see any state better than other states (especially in south india).
These tamils and telgus have the notion that since they produce more movies (more crap movies) they are better than kannadigas (Nagabeko alabeko tiliyadagide… :) )
-Kashyap
More over, kannada speaking telugu people have a little affection towards telugu
Kananda – 49
telgu – 51
This is more in kannada speaking tamil people
Kannada – 30
tamil – 70
Not sure if we have any kannada speaking mallus. So basically it is only kannada speaking kannada people that should save kannada and they are like
kannada – 10
other languages – 90
@ Anonymous Guy
How can any body drink a cup coffee easily?
“Coffee Addict” drinks up everything nearly consuming 50% of total production of Coffee in Karnataka. If u r in US, you have better chances of drinking it easily. But in Karnataka coffee sigollari :)
@Sree
My mistake… What I meant was their language contains generous use of Kannada words. Doesn’t mean it is inferior in any aspect.
@Vinay,
I have a personal experience to share too. I was returning from States and boarded a Meru cab from BIAL to Vijaynagar. The driver tried speaking to me in Hindi at first, when I replied in Kannada, he was very happy to answer me in Kannada. I did ask him about whether Meru has recruited enough Kannadigas over there? and his reply was YES, and it is all because of KRV’s protests. Coz, the very Meru cab had started recruiting northies and telugus in their mattikere office at first and it was KRV’s intervention that stopped this and locals got the 75-80% driver jobs in Meru. Had it not been for KRV, definately,, by now,, BIAL would have been another northie-gulti adda.
Vinay :
I am really happy to know that the auto guy was wrong…….
@ Kashyap
I have been reading your comments. You have grouse against somebody who must have said natsy things about Kannada movies. I dont see much difference between Kannada, Telugu, Tamil or Hindi. All are crap. Dont take comments to heart. Telugu, Tamil movies also import heroines from outside.
I have something to tell you. Instead of praying to god to spread to love Kannada language, why dont you in your daily life at your work place, shopping try to speak Kannada? I think that is enough.
What is the basis of your calculations? parameters of judgement?
Dont assume just bcoz some people have Kannada as their mother tongue they love it 100%. If that was the case, things would not have been this way. You should have also measured pure 100% Kannadigas attitude towards Kannada language. I have seen many 100% Kannadigas refusal to speak Kannada.
@ Sandesh
got it. We do use many Kannada words.
Kashyap
“(Nagabeko alabeko tiliyadagide… :) )”
Nija…. Telugu haagu tamilu janara movie vyamoha prapanchakke gottirodu :).
Neevu heLo innondu maatu nija…. Kannada mataDovru Kannada uLsbeku… aadre ade bandirodu samasye…. Kannadigara nirabhimana kooDa jagatprasiddi agide :)
AG : I don’t know if it’s naïveté or sincere ignorance that makes you say “Liberal” a la Secular and “Conservative” a la Communal is not part of Indian political parlance. In fact Liberalism, as in the term, is worn on the sleeves of our Secularists. Eg, Jug Suraya et al.
My “ranting” about liberal thugs relates to the US as well as India.
And puhleezz…if McCain is Conservative….Manmohan Singh must surely be a Swayamsevak!
@ Dr. Sree Reddy
You are right when u say that if all the 100 % Kannadigas used Kannada in their day-to-day life, then the situation would certainly be different……
Besides being Adhvanotsava, it could also be called as Anandotsava (named after the Hospet MLA Anand Singh) as his name was ubiquitous at the historic site like Prasadananda (Dining Hall) Amrutananda (Drinking Water) and lot many. I was there for all the three days covering the event. It was nothing but chaos all around.
@ kotenagara huduga
alli somarasa sigilliva? :)
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nanna priti odugare !
nivu ella hige vada madta iddre topic end agalla,as per proud indian all are indians & as per Dr sree Reddy karnataka is alos important for kannadiga, please dont argue on this part or else ibbaru gagladalli moorneavanige labha annothara bereobbaru bartare, nammali matt gasti kelasa kammi, do some thing good for kanrnataka & for India
jai Hind
ah…. ok … where were we? Oh ok… Asha bhosle singing at Hampe Utsava? ee vishaya yenayithro makkla????? abbabbabbabba …. naada habba!
Do not show your own culture when you celebrate historical culture!