Manish Tiwari, the Congress spokesman, on the arrest of Hindu sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and her accomplices, the involvement of the Hindu right wing organisation Abhinav Bharat, and the rumours of the possible arrest of BJP MP Yogi Adityanath, in connection with the recent bomb blasts in Malegaon:
“Earlier it used to be ‘Muh mein Ram Ram, bagal mein churi’.
“Now it is, ‘Muh mein Ram Ram, bagal mein bomb’.”
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B.G. VERGHESE writes in Deccan Herald:
“What is surprising, however, is the response of the spokesmen of the Parivar. They disown any association with sadhvi Pragya and other civil suspects held for the Malegaon bombing. Yet they take the line that Hindus cannot be terrorists and that the armed forces are a part of Indian society which has been horrified by the pusillanimous and apologetic approach of the UPA government to terror attacks and cannot therefore be blamed for patriotic reactions.
“This apologia comes close to showing sympathy for and indirectly condoning what is undoubtedly a grave dereliction of duty and rank indiscipline. It echoes the chorus from across the border in praise of “freedom fighters” as opposed to terrorists, “our” boys versus the dreadful “other”. Such pernicious double talk is scarcely in keeping with the Parivar’s insistent demand for “strong” action against terror.”
Also read: God save Hinduism from the lunatic fringe
churumuri 
I support Pragya and the Col. and whoever shows the will to survive…not as a worm…but as a worm that has finally turned.
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The Sangh Parivar has finally gotten to blasting bombs. What happended to the RSS cheddi claim of Integral Humanism of S P Mukerjee.Shame on them. Their response to the Sadhvi’s and armyman’s arrest is predictable and hypocritical.
Just like the Jehadis and just like almost every other terrorist group the Sangh Parivar have allowed their actions to be directed by a collective ideology that has little care for individual human lives. They are no different from the jehadi groups and they are trying to find all kinds of reason to justify their actions. Terrorism is terrorism whether they are conducted in the name of God or some religious book Or preserving culture of honorable ancestors or ideas of nationalism. They can take many forms but esentially the innocent are killed.
The Sanghis can claim that this bombing is a retaliatory action. One act of violence provokes retaliation, which provokes counter retaliation, until it is almost impossible to sort out who started what. The aggressive nature of ideas on each side is thus increased, and moderate ideas
within each population are silenced. We are moving towards social polarization and deep divides. Let’s hope the moderate voices pervail.
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Hey Shantaram dude… If i slap you and keep slapping you… will you remain glued to your non retaliatory ideal???
Will you not react? Answer this honestly and you get the answer to your mindless post….
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Palahalli will soon get maimed in a bomb blast masterminded by Bajrang Dal zealots.
Hah – if wishes were horses!! :-( But, seriously, that is the fate people like Palahalli deserve. Wonder what they’d say about ‘turning worms’ when they are reduced to using crutches to propel themselves forward.
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Shantarama, what exactly are you trying to say? Btw Integral Humanism was from Deendayal Upadhyaya…at a time when for several years, before and after, the Sangh maintained control over it’s extreme constituents and veered them away from “adventurous” measures, and still attracted vile accusations of fascism from the liberal harem.
Will there be no limit to your demands off Hindus to grin and bear it all…?
Vinay, I shall desist from calling you an idiot and persist in trying to reason with a fellow Hindu (if you are one). How many Hindu blast victims were members of any extremist group? How many have you read or heard or seen?
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Palahalli:
“Fellow Hindu if you are one…” – laughing out loud here; Mr. Hindu expert – does ‘Vinay’ sound like a Jewish name to you then?
What exactly is the point you are trying to make by asking your question? According to you, because several Muslim fundamentalists are involved in terrorist activities (almost always funded heavily by foreigners – PAK, Bangladesh, etc.), we need to form our own ‘bands’ to explode more bombs. Is that what your view is?
If that is your view, I shall not desist from calling you an idiot, and will persist in doing so.
You wish that bombs go off in Muslim localities, don’t you? Any Hindus, Christians, Atheists, Tourists, and innocent Muslims who die in the blast are just ‘collateral damage’, isn’t it?
If that is your view, take a look at my first comment above. Ain’t much fun being ‘collateral damage’ yourself, huh?
Nip this Bajrang Dal/VHP/xyz nonsense in the bud, that’s all I say. The last few weeks have shown us exactly where these organizations are heading. How many people they have ‘killed’ so far, how many they have raped ‘so far’… these are not relevant questions. If they are not stopped now, they will kill far more than all terror attacks have killed countrywide till date.
Don’t respond by saying, “But even Muslims have been doing the same…”. Those Muslims who are involved in terror should be hanged. And so should a Hindu who does the same.
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Can we stop being hypocrite and stop using phrases like “in the name of good lord”? God is a figment of imagination of human mind and he/she/it can only be as good/bad as human mind that created it. How about naming this article “Rotten apples in the name of rotten lords”?
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(not so) vinay: ಜಿಹಾದಿ ಉಮ್ಮ್ಹ ಸಹೋದರರಿಂದ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಣ್ಣ ಚೆಂಡುಗಳು ಛಿದ್ರವಾಗುವ ಸಾದ್ಯತೆ ಬೇರೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ಗುಂಪಿನಿಂದ ಹಾಗಾಗುವ ಸಾದ್ಯತೆಕಿಂತ ಸಾವಿರ ಪಟ್ಟು ಜಾಸ್ತಿ. ಹಾಗಾಗಿ, ಈ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಆಸೆಯನ್ನು ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಬದಿಗಿಡಿ. ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಣ್ಣ ಚೆಂಡುಗಳು ಜಿಹಾದಿಗಳ ಪಟಾಕಿಯಿಂದ ಚ್ಚಿದ್ರವಾದಾಗ, ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಕಾಪಾಡಲು ಆರೆಸೆಸ್/ bajarang ಕಾರ್ಯಕರ್ತರು (as they are ones who come when no one else shows up for rescue and relief efforts, be it natural disaster or man made) ಬಂದಾಗ ಏನು ಮಾಡುವಿರಿ?
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Ley Shyodha:
Kelid maathige uttara kodi. Stick to the point. Ninna prakaara ee thara Bomb haakiddu sari na – ilva? That was my question. You first answer my question.
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Someday, somewhere, something big will happen.
Like attack on Ayodhya, or Kalighat, or Tirupati………..
And hell will break loose.
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Vinay,
Forget getting any logical responses from that quarter. And be ready to be ‘saved’ by bomb wielding cheddis and jehadis whether you want it or not!
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“Fellow Hindu if you are one…” – laughing out loud here; Mr. Hindu expert – does ‘Vinay’ sound like a Jewish name to you then?
– Hmm..I thought so. You’re not in touch with reality. Don’t you know of non-Hindus with “Hindu” names?
What exactly is the point you are trying to make by asking your question? According to you, because several Muslim fundamentalists are involved in terrorist activities (almost always funded heavily by foreigners – PAK, Bangladesh, etc.)**So?**, we need to form our own ‘bands’ to explode more bombs. Is that what your view is?
– Yes, if you want to see it that way. The other way of seeing it is to “wake up” the keepers of “sleeper cells”. Wake them up to the reality of reprisals.
If that is your view, I shall not desist from calling you an idiot, and will persist in doing so.
– Oh phoo! Call me what you will. Things will get worse if you don’t ask your pals to beat it while the going is still good.
You wish that bombs go off in Muslim localities, don’t you? Any Hindus, Christians, Atheists, Tourists, and innocent Muslims who die in the blast are just ‘collateral damage’, isn’t it?
– Painful isn’t it? This is what your liberal harem has gifted us.
If that is your view, take a look at my first comment above. Ain’t much fun being ‘collateral damage’ yourself, huh?
– Take a look at maimed innocents now, around you…all there because of YOUR promiscuity.
Nip this Bajrang Dal/VHP/xyz nonsense in the bud, that’s all I say. The last few weeks have shown us exactly where these organizations are heading. How many people they have ‘killed’ so far, how many they have raped ’so far’… these are not relevant questions. If they are not stopped now, they will kill far more than all terror attacks have killed countrywide till date.
– My my. Didn’t take long for your pants to drop did it? So, it’s allright that Hindus are being slaughtered…at least its “limited” now. Tsk tsk..
Don’t respond by saying, “But even Muslims have been doing the same…”. Those Muslims who are involved in terror should be hanged. And so should a Hindu who does the same.
– Haw haw!
Abhi, c’mon…be strong now. Say it with me! R-o-t-t-e-n a-p-p-l-e-s i-n t-h-e n-a-m-e o-f t-h-e r-o-t-t-e-n a-l-l-a-h! C’mon buddy…try it!
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The UPA gov’t solution to the problems facing us :
make everyone poor so that poverty ceases to be a problem, make everyone a terrorist, so that terrorism is not a problem anymore. Quite clever :)
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What surprises me the most is how we Hindus fight among ourselves when one individual of our religion gets arrested or faces trouble, whereas the rest of the people like Muslims and Christians, are united. Consider the case of Mohammed Afzal, I remember Muslims as far as Bangalore were opposing the government for prosecuting Afzal. So much was their hullabaloo that the President had to silently pardon Afzal and prevent his death punishment.
I urge all Hindus to oppose this action of arresting Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur. I don’t care what the truth is, I just want to see all Hindus united for something.
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Chintaka
of course, nobody keeps quite if you are getting slapped.
but as usual, your logic is warped.
if i slap you, will you slap somebody else
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I do not justify or defend killing and maiming, as they do not ultimately solve any problem. But, any defensive action by the Hindus seem like extremism to the Hindu-baiting secularists like B.J.Vargheese. Hindus are the most passive community, to the point of being lame ducks. Anyone standing up and speaking for the Hindu culture, the Hindus and Hindu tradition is branded as a fundamentalist. There will be cry of murder, if Hindus so much as criticise other minorities. This is, of course, something Hindus do not indulge in. Occasionally, when there is retaliation to the mass murder and maiming, it seems to the secularists like Hindu Terrorism. Are we to merely sit back and get murdered? Where was he when christian extremists were exterminating the Hindus in he North East? I do not think that I have anything about it from this jorunalist. Christian Missionaries are good at two things: to pose as the persecuted, and pesecute others. The fanatical and bigoted minorities and euqally fanatical secularists have only themselves to blame for giving birth to Col.Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya. If only the Hindu grievances are heard and addressed by the governments, there would be less room in the society for the fringe groups.
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Vinay…
To hell with your quesne. Lt Col has just confessed (per Times of India ) that it was a very secular operation involving both Hindus and Muslims.,,,and it was actually Muslims who planted the bomb in Malegaon.
Eeevaga …Iddk yen anthira?
Dont tell me that the army man can trick the narco test…if so why do u want to beleive all he said until Tuesday..and say he suddenly started tricking the narco test on Tuesday? The Lt Col has made a COMPLETE ass of the secular mafia press by making this relevation ! Analyse This!
Aaand..Shantarama navare…swalpa calm down aagtira ? Will you? Tension tagobedi. Pakkad manege benki biddide taane?..dont worry.
When thousands of hindus were killed…63 blasts in 6 months…
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Shantarama…
Iddak yen anthira?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Muslims_helped_blow_up_SIMI_office_Purohit/articleshow/3706044.cms
According to sources, Purohit told his interrogators that he had roped in some members of Malegaon’s Muslim population to assemble the bomb and plant it near the SIMI office in the weavers’ town on September 29 this year. The Army officer said the logistics for the blast were provided by fanatical Hindus, according to sources close to the investigationInvestigators said Purohit’s answers indicated that the Hindu conspirators in the Malegaon operation did not know what their Muslim counterparts were doing. If true, they also speak of his success in infiltrating not only Hindu organisations but also Muslim groups.
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Bomb haakiddu tappirabahudu but i’m happy that the incogruent burden on hindus to endure , nay, suck up to injustice that the nefarious kangi-commie-jihadi-christis-ELM nexus is dishing out to them.
Mind you, they are still suspects and nothing has been proved. So shut the fuck up all you seculars until you have anything substantial to offer. In the meanwhile, can anybody let me know if there is any organisation that is backing the accused in getting them legal help. I want to support them however i can.
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Avva Madesa
Bari Hindu-galu matra guilty until proven innocent (and even after)….. “Seculars” are innocent even if supreme court proven guilty and eligible for presidential pardon and media publicity plus some govt owned land.
Ee thara nam kathe agide….Jotege Vinay, AG anta friends irovaga…non-seculars ge enemies yaake beku.
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Hey Simple… aka Wrong Facts….
If you slap me, i am gonna slap you man… plain and simple…
by the way, what is this Maggie Gate all about?? Poor lady, she forgot that the right of sons/daughters inheriting PARTY TICKETS rests solely with your master’s family….
Wasn’t she naive when she did that outburst?? Look where she is now….
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Ahhhh…yes…religion–
An individual set of beliefs to some people,according to others it is just A group of people who follow a set of rules given by XYZ a good many centuries ago;
End result: anarchy and chaoswith each one calling the other a moron with warped / skewed logic!
Interesting what?
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I am all for tough terror laws. I am all for capital punishment for proven terrorists. I strongly feel that Afzal Guru’s sentence should have been carried out, as it was proved beyond doubt that he was involved. I am all for a ‘tough state’ policy w.r.t. islamic fundamentalism.
But I am bloody well against Bajrang Dal type of retaliation, planting bombs and hacking people with swords. Why the hell do people not realize that allowing organizations like BD/VHP to grow, and condoning and encouraging them will boomerang back on us one day?
These are the steps to an anarchic state. Where the country will go from there is anyone’s guess. You ever heard of something called the Weimar republic?
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Palahalli:
It’s not my pants that have dropped. But I assure you, the bomb that will maim you (as I mentioned in my first comment above) will certainly hit you when your pants are down. In effect, you will be maimed in a very unique fashion.
Lots of your pals will get maimed in a similar fashion if you don’t tell your pals to beat it while the going is still good.
Abhi, c’mon…be strong now. Say it with me! Stinking cheddis in the name of the good lord C’mon cheddi …try it!
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What is RSS up to
125 crude bombs seized in Kannur district
Thu, Nov 13 05:57 PM
Kannur, Nov 13 (PTI) Police today seized 125 “powerful” crude bombs from a vacant plot in north Poilur during raids following the killing of two RSS activists in an explosion in this politically sensitive district of Kerala. The bombs, kept in four gunny bags, were found concealed in a bush at Maliyad Kunnu by a police party led by Thalassery Deputy Superintendnet of Police Prakashan, a senior police official said.
Police had lauched raids in the area following the death of two RSS activists in a bomb explosion at nearby Cheruvanchery on Nov 10 while the youths were suspected to be either making or shifting the crude bombs. A day after the death of RSS men on Monday, police had recovered 18 crude bombs from a private plot, some 100 metres away from the site of the powerful explosion.
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How can a yogi and a sadhvi be terrorists?
They are never terrorists.
This is a conspiracy by pseudo seculars, muslims and christians against Hindus.
Hinduism will be resurrected to its former glory.
Then all those who stand in its path will be burnt to ashes.
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Prajwal – Nice and Sensible Comments
Adios
:-)
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1. It quotes Congress spokespeson as:
“Earlier it used to be ‘Muh mein Ram Ram, bagal mein churi’.
“Now it is, ‘Muh mein Ram Ram, bagal mein bomb’.”
Can I replace Ram with Allah in name of secularism? Huh? After all, we have lost 80,000 people, more troops , more money facing Jehadi terrorism than normal wars we faught?
2. Both Cong spokesperson and this Commentetor are acutely naive. NONE OF THEM HAVE TO FACE election.
Congress don’t have galls to raise Sadhvi Issue in Madhya Pradesh, the state identified as her Karmabhoomi.
IE has published an interesting story that shows how both BJP and Congress are not raising this issue- except Uma Bharati:
http://www.indianexpress.com/story_print.php?storyid=385388
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Whoever are supporting either jehadis or hindu terrorsits, let them all die in the bomb blasts that might happen anywhere anytime.. Also causing collateral damage of making some innocents, some leftists some rightist and some beechwalas to die!
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jayarasibhatta:
Hinduism being resurrected to its former state is precisely what I do not want. You are the typical ass who cannot utter the word ‘secular’ without putting a ‘pseudo’ before it.
I do not want Sati to come back. I want the caste system to be demolished. I want superstitions in the name of religion to end. I want to break the myth of pseudo-sciences being propagated in the name of religion to fool gullible individuals.
The beauty of Hinduism is that it allows me to pursue my religion as I want to. It does not prescribe a single religious text, a single God or prophet. Hinduism does not compel me to visit a temple 5 times a day. That is the beauty of Hinduism. I can define the way I personally wish to follow it.
You and your band of cheddi-wearing maniacs are destroying Hinduism.
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Tathagata Mukherji:
By all means yes, replace Ram with Allah also. Islamic fundamentalists have “bagal mein churi, bandook, bomb, rocket launcher, …”
Secularism means “No importance to religion”. It does not mean “Equal importance to all religions”. It is a way of saying that the law of the land must prevail, irrespective of religion.
You do not understand what secularism means.
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Vinay: “secularism” is a word which is barely 150 years old. We have a history of 5000 years. Understood? Why we will import ideas, that too discarded by Europeans increasingly? To keep Muslims Happy, and abuse majority Hindus? It does not work hat way- WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.
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I suffer idiots and so I respond to this one..again;
One –
Forget getting any logical responses from that quarter. And be ready to be ’saved’ by bomb wielding cheddis and jehadis whether you want it or not!
– Please be logical Shri Vinay, and tell us why innocent Hindus must suffer and die because you refuse to allow them means to preserve themselves?
Two –
I am all for tough terror laws. I am all for capital punishment for proven terrorists. I strongly feel that Afzal Guru’s sentence should have been carried out, as it was proved beyond doubt that he was involved. I am all for a ‘tough state’ policy w.r.t. islamic fundamentalism.
– You will be called a Hindu fascist. Why?
Three –
But I am bloody well against Bajrang Dal type of retaliation, planting bombs and hacking people with swords. Why the hell do people not realize that allowing organizations like BD/VHP to grow, and condoning and encouraging them will boomerang back on us one day?
– Could it be that Hindus are sick and tired of the liberal establishment? Could it be that they cannot and will not take any more games that end up with them, paying for it with their lives? Could it be that under normal circumstances, in a State that which you purportedly want, a Bajrang Dal would not have the need to exist?
Four –
These are the steps to an anarchic state. Where the country will go from there is anyone’s guess. You ever heard of something called the Weimar republic?
– And who drove Germans toward Hitler? Was it not people who think and do exactly like you?
Five –
It’s not my pants that have dropped. But I assure you, the bomb that will maim you (as I mentioned in my first comment above) will certainly hit you when your pants are down. In effect, you will be maimed in a very unique fashion.
– For a “peace loving” fellow, you certainly pack a lot of bile. This certainly proves how debilitating an ideology liberalism really is. I am ready to be maimed but may escape…and how thoughtless of you to forget those who are not ready. Those who are just living their lives…who get blown away because you work so hard to keep them unprepared.
Six –
Lots of your pals will get maimed in a similar fashion if you don’t tell your pals to beat it while the going is still good.
– Wrong. Hardly any will be harmed. Why? Because they are prepared.
Seven –
Abhi, c’mon…be strong now. Say it with me! Stinking cheddis in the name of the good lord C’mon cheddi …try it!
– And all you can find is their knickers to make fun of? Can you not be much of a man?
Eight –
I do not want Sati to come back. I want the caste system to be demolished. I want superstitions in the name of religion to end. I want to break the myth of pseudo-sciences being propagated in the name of religion to fool gullible individuals.
– Liberals can afford the unique hobby of fighting with ghosts…when there are real dangers that are let pass.
Nine –
The beauty of Hinduism is that it allows me to pursue my religion as I want to. It does not prescribe a single religious text, a single God or prophet. Hinduism does not compel me to visit a temple 5 times a day. That is the beauty of Hinduism. I can define the way I personally wish to follow it.
– And yet you lack the guts to acknowledge the logical consequence of
You and your band of cheddi-wearing maniacs are destroying Hinduism.
Vinay Says:
14 November 2008 at 8:13 pm
Tathagata Mukherji:
By all means yes, replace Ram with Allah also. Islamic fundamentalists have “bagal mein churi, bandook, bomb, rocket launcher, …”
Secularism means “No importance to religion”. It does not mean “Equal importance to all religions”. It is a way of saying that the law of the land must prevail, irrespective of religion.
You do not understand what secularism means.
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Readers, in my last post, please disregard from “you and your band….”
Contd –
– And yet you lack the guts to acknowledge the logical consequence of Islam in action.
Ten –
Secularism means “No importance to religion”. It does not mean “Equal importance to all religions”. It is a way of saying that the law of the land must prevail, irrespective of religion.
– I thought you were at least good at your trade. Alas! What is meant by “No importance to religion”? If religion is indeed not deemed important, then should the secular State not work toward minimizing it? This is exactly what happens. This is not tolerable.
It is a thoughtful people with a free religion who can ensure that the law prevails, irrespective of religious affiliation.
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No point arguing with pseudo-secularists, muslims, christians, naxalites or lower castes who dont want to be within the fold of Hinduism.
People who only understand violence will now get a taste of their own medicine.
RSS, VHP and Bajrang Dal will do the necessary work. We have enough control now to ensure this.
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These are the gems typically produced by ಮೂರ್ಖ ಶಿಖಾಮಣಿ ಅವಿನಯ.
=>You do not understand what secularism means.<=
Now he will teach us about ‘secularism’. Like the one practiced by JNU folks, I guess- except they hate it when you talk about selective secularism resulting in Sharia, article 370 etc. Hmm, how about that practiced by Mahaatma himself; he seems to be one of their liking. Wait, that resulted in chopping India in the name of religion and displacement and death of millions. That will not work; how about Comrade Mao? Oh, wait, he sent millions of Chinese to ‘next world’, even this ಮೂರ್ಖ ಶಿಖಾಮಣಿ ಅವಿನಯ will not like that. Hey, how about Stalin? He did not care much for religion? Hmmm. Oooops, he would send the retarded ಮೂರ್ಖ ಶಿಖಾಮಣಿ to death as he did to millions. Somehow these “godless” secular commies tend to murder lots of people; I mean, lots as in millions, no less. I mean Polpot, that man in Cambodia was a fine secular guy who had this habit collecting skulls. In millions. Hey, ಮೂರ್ಖ ಶಿಖಾಮಣಿ ಅವಿನಯ. do you think you have a nice, round skull? I mean, you were wishing selected people here should be hurt in ಸ್ಪೋಟ. I am sure, you do not feel bad if I enquire about your chosen way of leaving the planet ‘secular’ way?
ಮೂರ್ಖ ಶಿಖಾಮಣಿ ಅವಿನಯ- remember, show some respect, get some, huh? First, stop blabbering ‘cheddi-cheddi’. Repeating lower body garment name is the first sign of lack of grey matter north of the neck.
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Palahalli:
“Who drove the Germans towards Hitler?”
People like you did.
“For a “peace loving” fellow, you certainly pack a lot of bile..”
If you meet me in person, you will know that I am more an eye-for-an-eye person in daily life than any of your arrack-drinking uneducated cheddis. The difference is that I hit those who hit me while you cheddis hit some third person.
“What is meant by “No importance to religion”? If religion is indeed not deemed important, then should the secular State not work toward minimizing it?”
Yes, it should. And religious subsidies, etc. must be stopped. Also, anything that creates nuisance in the name of religion should be stopped.
The point we’re talking about here is, whether it is a good thing to have bomb-wielding uneducated maniacs to protect us, do we really want to allow such people to grow powerful by condoning and encouraging it? All your other talk is irrelevant here.
people like jayarasibhatta above are the kind of people we do not need in our country.
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Murkh Cheddi Shyodha:
The problem with rascals like you is that you cannot say ‘secular’ without putting ‘pseudo’ before it.
Religious subsidies should be stopped, and the current secular state is selectively secular, true. And I am against that. What the state practices is ‘pseudo secularism’. But what makes you think that I am ‘pseudo secular’?
But the discussion here is, whether it is a good thing to have bomb-wielding uneducated maniacs to protect us, do we really want to allow such people to grow powerful by condoning and encouraging it?
“I am sure, you do not feel bad if I enquire about your chosen way of leaving the planet ’secular’ way?”
Why should I feel bad? After all, some inconsequential cheddi is blabbering crap. By the way, do you have rice round #$%^&? Be careful, your #$%^& will be blown off one day.
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Vinay, it’s very simple. Even a 3 year old can understand what I’ll say to you now. So, pay attention.
Hindus are moving away from the likes of you because they have lost faith in your strategy. Your method is not winning. It’s losing them more lives!
Your scared of another Hitler on the horizon? I suggest you stop peddling your snake oil.
Next, READ my posts carefully and fully. I am not agreeing with you on religion and the State. Man needs religion.
And try and get this into your head – The likes of you attract the likes of Jayarasibhatta like sugar attracts ants!
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I am repelled by pseudos like Vinay.
Palahalli and I are saying the same thing. We both want a strong Hindu religion, and support the RSS. And we believe violence of islam and christians has to be met by violence to defeat them. He may be more interested in writing long articles to argue with pseudos and hindu haters, while I make words a reality.
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SHOCKED!! Thats what I am. to see how people “support” terrorism.
Terror is TERROR whether perpetrated by a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian.
When an act of terror is committed it is NOT the “guilty” or “terrorists” who are targetted or killed, but innocent people like you and me, who are just as much against terrorism. Finally terrorism finally creates havoc in the country because one act leads to a retaliation and this will go on and on without any end in sight. Terror is not the solution to any problem.
People who support terrorism of any form are terrorists themselves.
Why dont we support the crime branches of our country which are trying to do their job under TREMENDOUS political pressure.
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Anonymous Guy:
you are a confused dumbass.
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Vinay – Get some rest. You’r blabbering now.
Concerned Citizen – Time has come to rise above such argument in order to dissuade Hindus. Btw, as luck would have it, we have witnessed exactly 4 explosions that involved Hindus. Two of them while making bombs. Nothing compared to the Jihadi standard. What is your plan to stop this ascent? Do you think philosophizing will help? Or will equivocating? Or guilt tripping using spurious and downright childish tactics?
“Why don’t we support the crime branches of our country which are trying to do their job under TREMENDOUS political pressure.”
– Who told you Hindus don’t support the crime branches? Why else do you think these branches are the butt of “secular-liberal” ridicule? But please try and find out why even they have been unsuccessful in putting a stop to this slaughter.
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@Vinay
Secularism means “No importance to religion”.
Hmm is that why the Government loots only the Temple Hundi ?
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Palahalli:
Get some rest yourself, and preferably make it a permanent one. You must be a budding shit-eating politician by the way you are putting ‘Hindu’ in your posts. Like those Swamijis who are actually political louts – you must have seen them on TV, simply saying “Hindu, Hindu..” to make Hindus feel as though every Hindu must somehow be part of a ‘battle’.
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You gentlemen at Churumuri!
Don’t you do any moderation of comments posted here? Look at the language of vinay! Shouldn’t you at least temper the language if not the content? Is it too much to expect courteous behaviour on the www? Teach some manners to these cowboys.
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Vinay : I am not aware abt ur Vidya, or Buddhi :)-
But here is one honest suggestion: There are three fabulous essays you can read on Secularism.
#1. Secularism and Tolerance – Partha Chatterjee
#2. Secularism in Its Place – TN Madan
#3. The Politics of Secularism and the recovery of religious toleration- Ashish Nandy (a bong, but from a well respected Xtian family).
All three people named by me above are top rated intellectuals in their own field worldwide.
U can find all these in a book-well compiled collection of essays – Secularism and its critics by Rajeev Bhargava. GO AND READ THESE ESSAYS FIRST.
Also, if you can, read the history of Bengal- of middle/late 19th century. Why Bengal? Because, that’s where India intereacted with West in modern times. READ AND UNDERSTAND THE ROOTS OF HINDU NATIONALISM – HOW IT ROSE.
People like YECHURI are ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE.
THIS IS A WAR WHICH PSUEDOS CANNOT WIN- THERE IS NO WAY THEY CAN WIN THIS.
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@Vinay
“Get some rest yourself, and preferably make it a permanent one”
Wow….. You hit a new low….. Language watch madi sir… you are looking more like a terrorist..uttering “permanent rest” stuff. Civil discussions madi please.
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Tathagata Mukherji:
What war? What ‘pseudos’?
This is precisely the point. You guys miss the focus of discussion and make out as if there is a huge war ongoing which every Hindu must be a part of. I have said it above, and I say it again now, tell me if you find anything wrong with what I have to say.
I am all for tough terror laws. I am all for capital punishment for proven terrorists. I strongly feel that Afzal Guru’s sentence should have been carried out, as it was proved beyond doubt that he was involved. I am all for a ‘tough state’ policy w.r.t. islamic fundamentalism.
I guess you are in total agreement with me so far. All I’m saying is:
“But I am bloody well against Bajrang Dal type of retaliation, planting bombs and hacking people with swords.”
There is a section of people who think that Muslims will ‘think twice’ because of the ‘fear of retaliation’. Please, you’re living in a fool’s paradise. If you think Dawood Ibrahim will have any second thoughts sitting in Karachi because of some ‘fear’, you are mistaken. There are enough ‘religious leaders’ who can incite passions and get people to become live bombs, irrespective of any ‘retaliatory fear’.
It is easy to sit in cozy homes and comment about ‘revenge and retaliation’. The Bajrang Dal and similar institutions are not the safeguards of Hinduism, or India.
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Instead of fighting for police reforms, separation of the police from political interference, etc., people seem to think that having ‘Jungle Raj’ by some outfits will magically solve terror problems. Where is the rationality of our public? We cannot have Kangaroo courts deciding the fate of society.
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Sandesh avare:
Aaithu saar, mele nodi – ‘civil’ comments maadiddini. My problem is that, people are extremely quick to pounce on anyone who says a word against BD, and immediately brand the fellow a ‘pseudo secular’. I don’t think my views are ‘pseudo secular’ in any way. All I am against is ‘Jungle Raj’.
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Vinay
I fully agree with what you say
“I am all for tough terror laws. I am all for capital punishment for proven terrorists. I strongly feel that Afzal Guru’s sentence should have been carried out, as it was proved beyond doubt that he was involved. I am all for a ‘tough state’ policy w.r.t. islamic fundamentalism.”
Aadre bahalashtu janarige (if I mention Hindu, you will brand me with a name…but I have no option but to say Hindu), ee maatugaLalli nambike hogide. Mainly due to the lack of political will in calling a spade a spade. Ishtu conviction namma muslim sahodararige idya anta doubtu. And that point is the saddest. Even if a muslim condemns terror activities, it is always followed with a caveat of victim hood.
Swalpa yochane maaDi sir…. BD maaDo kelsagaLu tumbane tappu, nija. Mattu anta organizations baalana bega cut madbeku. Aadre bari BD baggene heLtiralla (neevu andre … most of the english media..not a day passes without someone lecturing hindus on how they should behave and cooperate). Just to give an example, yavaga obba muslim suspectna (and in some cases proven too) policenavru arrest/encounter madidroo…media takshana avra pakkada maneyavrna, friendsna, teachersna interview maadi avrige victim paTTa koTbidtare. Ade Sadhi Pragya arrest aada takshana, women terror anta dialogue start maaDtare..yaake, LTTE nalli women terrorists irlilva. Obrige ondu nyaya, innobrige innondu nyaya yaake?
And why is that even the educated Hindus leanign towards “fundamentalism”?? Precisely due to the feelign of being mistreated by media.
What I would like to see in the political leaders is a strong George Bush type words (doesn’t mean his actions…..) .. to ACT TOUGH. When Kashmir separtists speak of going to pakistan, thrash them mercilessly. When the maoists are spreading terror take them out…these words may seem Rambo-isque, but until the state gets tough and acts tough…..the situation may not improve.
Before you shoot me off as a “cheddi supporter”…..I don’t support the terror ats of BD/VHP.
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We need to discourage the Bajrang Dal, and instead demand a KPS Gill type of response to terrorism by the police/government/administration/politicians etc.. Do you remember how KPS Gill responded to Khalistan terrorism? Today Punjabis are among the most integrated into the mainstream of India, and are as Indian as anyone else. We need a KPS Gill spearheading police action, and free the police from political interference. That is the only way forward.
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It’s clear. Without the State acting and Liberals learning, Bajrang Dals will rise and grow, stronger by the day. There is no choice. They have my support.
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Vinay: Though Modi did not say “Newton’s 3rd law”- society does follow it. That’s why even a Nehru once wrote that, the average north Indians are more aggressive, rubble rousing than average south Indian because of long, oppressive Muslim rule in the north.
If you want to look into Bajrang Dal from sociological and governance issue- you will find no better material than “Ramjanmabhoomi- creating a nationality” by Ashish Nandy and others. I believe in self-help- so, please go thro’ this. You will understand why lumpen Hindu groups rose in many places of North India.
Spend some time in analyzing the phenomenon of Abdul Latif (Ahmedabad), how Congress (or other psuedos) never took action, and how Hindus setup their own mechanism to defend their interest.
Below are two articles, one by Ashok Desai, another an interview of Harish Khare which also touched about this issue. Both of them are known Hindutva baiter but discussed this issue here.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071120/asp/opinion/story_8551999.asp
http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/oct/16/media_has_become_accomplice_terrorists_harish_khare.html
Fact of the matter is: Had Bajrangis not been there (it picked up from earlier setups like Akharas, Pahelwans etc from earlier era), Pakistan’s border would have been in Central India :)-
Another good material to understand this lumpen class who work to protect their ‘culture’ is “color of violence”- by Sudhir Kakar. Its a great great book on psychological analysis.
Once again, spend sometime- and go thro them.
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Now, Vinay- if u are really upset about Bajrang Dal’s ‘role’ in Kandhamal- then go thro these two news items (its another question, why mainstream media did not give enough publicity to these).
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14779602
“The Orissa government on Friday told the Supreme Court that the archbishop of Cuttack must substantiate his allegation that Bajrang Dal activists were behind the rape of a nun in the state’s troubled Kandhamal district.
Senior counsel K K Venugopal, appearing for the Orissa government before a Bench of Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justice P Sathasivam, refuted allegations of Bajrang Dal activists being responsible for the nun’s rape.”
http://www.odishatoday.com/Orissa/Nun_rape_case_201008-87542102310543987.html
“Bhubaneswar (Orissa) : Officials of State Forensic Science Laboratory here reportedly found no probe after verifying the clothes, used by the 29-year-old catholic nun, who is claiming to be raped by a group of miscreants at K Nuagaon area of communal violence hit Kandhamal on August 25.”
I hope this rape case will not become another false case like Jhabua, Jajjhar and Baripada in the past :)-
I hope you as well as me will continue to visit Churumuri when Court will rule on nun-rape case. And we will exchange views again.
By the way, did Western Press apologize on Jhabua, Jajjhar and Baripada cases?
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Hello Guys,
I am not a fanatic nor a right wing supported. However there are somethings that puzzle me..
We should forget that we are a secular nation and think that this is a Muslim or Christian nation. That is what these dick-heads from the UPA who just want to survive on votes from Muslims and the even more dangerous Christians who are more sly than Muslims who at least come to the fore and fight!
When there is an encounter where a terrorist is killed and a brave officer dies for the cause of the nation, Congress is ready in arms against the police department and cry foul. When the same thing is done outright by the BJP it is suddenly communal. Why are we like this ?
Be straight and speak truth. Have the same rule for all.
1. If a person comes from a particular community and is involved in bomb blast should the entire community be tainted ?
2. Then most of the Maoists in Orissa are Christian. So shall we call it Christian extremism? Are Maoists also not terrorists.
3. Marxists in Kerala are expert in hurling bombs and killing people. They are also terrorists
So if all the above 3 are true then call everyone as terrorists in this nation. You cannot tailor rules based on caste creed color and sex. Simple as that
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In response to Ananth,
The cause/intention for which , terrorist are killing is the imp. All muslims terrorist are doing with a belief that this killing is must to serve thier GOD…
however this is not so in the case of Maoist, thier religion is not encouraging them to kill the innocent.
However it is correct that not all muslim are supporter of terrorism, but these fellows are very small in nos and not in the postion to condemn these killing in the name of allaha.
There is a basic drawback in the muslim religion, even in most of countries which is run as per islamic guidelines are suffering from terrorism.
Actually quran does not allow the change/discussion /modification in the belief, thoughts considering it as fianl words of allah. So the views/thoughts of quran are as per historic time and of medival world.
until and unless this religion does not give value to discussion, new ideas,arguments, terrorism will have a religion thats Islam
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