BJP president Rajnath Singh and the party’s prime minister hopeful L.K. Advani have declared that the Anti-Terrorism Squad of the Maharashtra police should let off the Malegaon blast accused—“Sadhvi” Pragya Singh Thakur, Lt. Col. Shrikant Purohit, et al—because “they are Hindus and Hindus cannot be terrorists,” a point also underlined by the sane sages of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad.
V.K. Malhotra, the BJP’s chief ministerial candidate for Delhi, too says Hindus cannot be terrorists “because it is neither in their genes, nor in their character.”
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Dipankar Gupta, who teaches sociology at New Delhi’s Jawaharlal Nehru University, writes in Mail Today:
“Why should the law accept such mock syllogism? If the same BJP could POTA to catch Muslim terrorists, why is it changing the rules now?
“In the wake of these arrests BJP’s ideological construct comes through clearly. It is fundamentally repugnant to the idea that citizenship extend equally to minorities. BJP would be happiest if there were a differentiated law.
“If in the times of Manu punishment depend on the caste of the alleged offender, for the BJP it should be decided on the basis of religion. It was faith that convinced BJP that Sita‘s rasoi was indeed located in the precincts of the Babri masjid; it is faith again that tells them that Hindus cannot be terrorists. In both instances faith clearly trumps the law.”
Also read: God save Hinduism from the lunatic fringe
CHURUMURI POLL: Proof of Hindu terror?
churumuri 
Of course Hindus can be terrorists and they very well exhibit these lunatic tendencies through their associations with fascist organizations like VHP, RSS and the ilks.
Now, do they have enough b***s to be something like an “Islamic Terror” i suspect their pedigree.
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I cannot believe Churumuri could be so careless in selecting Dipankar Gupta’s openly derogatory piece as chariot to ride this on.
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Churumuri, I have a feeling that this poll is likely to have slightly inaccurate results. The reason is that the question asked in the poll box and the question in the subject of the mail are exactly opposite.
The question in the poll box reads: “L.K. Advani says Hindus cannot be terrorists. Do you agree?” I would say, NO, I do not agree to the statement.
The question in the subject reads: “Can Hindus not be terrorists?” If I were to say no, it would mean that I agree to Advani’s statement.
If one reads the subject of the post and votes, the vote result would be skewed.
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I would like to see how the Sangh Parivar defends the blast accused after the latest video being aired on the news channels…especially after the speech of that bogus Shankaracharya…
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‘Beli ge Otikyata sakshi’ – ‘Pseudo seculars ge JNU sakshi’
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ULFA is a hardcore Hindu terrorist organisation. One of the oldest in India.
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The question is whether the the army will use its money to defend the accused, just as jamai university did to its students
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Now, Lets get the semantics right.
Why does/did Barack Obama’s middle name drive some people in the US of A ballisitic? Cos it’s a Muslim name.
And why so? Cos they were attacked by Muslim terrorists in the name of religion – in the name of offense to religion, in the name of some distant Muslim land (with no connection to them) being attacked by the USA etc., (that some brilliant billionaire – Osama bin Laden – has greivances enough to attack a country is more than anyone can buy)
So, for example when the LeT attacks India saying India’s subverting muslims, when for example the so-called Indian Mujahideen/SIMI attack Indian people and say they would wipe out the [i]Kaffirs[/i] – they’re doing based on what they say their religion instructs them to – never mind if they have a personal connect to it or not.
Now, your question in that light – in the light of the BJP leaders’ comments should be in that context above.
Would Hindus decide to target and kill Muslims – in terror attacks/bombings – because
a) They want to wipe-out Muslims throughout India, cos Hinduism says so
OR
b) Because of perceived grievances even if they haven’t faced it themselves?
I would say No to both.
There are riots – but barring the Anti-Sikh riots in Delhi, there wasn’t a single time when it was without provocation @ HIndus.
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Coffee addict,
Get your facts right. Use Google if required. ULFA is not a Hindu terrorist organization. It is a Assamese organization. Just like our KRV but ULFA is a terrorist organization unlike KRV. Do you call KRV a Hindu organization? ULFA’s aim is to create an independent Assam and not necessarily a Hindu Assam.
Oh and btw, ULFA’s “commander-in-chief” Paresh Barua is well settled in Bangladesh and has huge business interests there. He has married a Muslim Sufia Begum and his children have been named Tahshim Khan and Akash Khan.
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clash,
The Malegoan blast might well be the handiwork of a few Hindu fundamentalists but when it comes to the numbers and the method it is nowhere near Islamic terrorism. Islamists and commies like yourself are quickly equating this isolated incident with the all the havoc brought about by Islamic terrorism.
Islam has a problem with every other religion in the world and is well reflected in many terrorist attacks around the world. I am for bringing all those involved in terrorism to justice regardless of their religion. But commie shi*ts should remember not to equate this with Islamic terrorism which is far more dangerous.
As far as Dipankar Gupta, he is a leftist t*rd who is using this opportunity to pontificate that the Babri Masjid was not built on the runis of the Ram temple. If Gupta is so passionate in seeing that justice is dispensed, why doesnt he say anything about Afzal Guru?
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@Hiker,
Mr. ULFA is an Assamese organisation. It is true. But, all members of ULFA are Hindus and their main targets are Muslims. ULFA was actually formed to throw Bangladeshi Muslims out of Assam in the 80s.
But, it later established links with ISI via Bangladesh. It is now operating out of Bangladesh. It clealy shows that finally terrorists have no religion.
They can side with anybody to achieve their goals.
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and why ‘churumuri’ gives so much importance to these leftists and psudo-budhi(laddi)jeevis!!
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Terrorism is an intrinsic part of religion. Haven’t you read history? It is only the extent of infiltration that could be different in different religions. No one is quite there as Muslims when it comes to fanaticism, that does not mean others are far too behind. Again, there is nothing called good religion, only bad and worse.
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My question to churmuri….Why…should the hindus not be terrorists to defend themselves…OR is it the exclusive preserve of the mosies ?
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And why should the rest of us accept the views of JNU commie as sacrosanct knowing their political leanings
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Coffee Addict….
I think you should read properly before posting your juvenile comments here…
To brand someone as terrorists belonging to a particular section of the society or religion, weightage must be given for the reason why they are into these acts.
ULFA were against BANGLADESHI muslims, much like the MNS of Raj Thackeray is against the Bhaiyyas for Bihar. The successvie CONgress government in Assam gave shelter to the illegal immigrants from Bangladesh for votes. Naturally this was detested by the native assamese. Hence ULFA was born.
Let us look at this scenario… the muslims who killed hundreds of thousands of hindus in Kashmir were caught and put behind the bars…or the the scores of muslims who have been into terrorist activites across India from time immemorial, had they been punished for their acts, do you think any hindu terrorist organisation would have come into existence???
Take the simple matter of Afzal Guru. What is the CONgress government doing about him? Nothing.
So hindus have taken up the task of cleansing the society of islamic evil. Good for the Indian society.
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How about an article on many terrorists happen to be Muslims for a change to be fair and try to draw correlation? Even the artist Husain said India is “basically tolerant even though he got kicked out for his paintings–which would be tantamount to taking depictions of Mary in RAphael and turning them nude in the name of art. To ask why Muslims do not get along with others–why even their artists have anger towards Hindus might be too near the truth for Churumuri to write about. How come the press defends these people although they commit atrocities around the world? Why?? I smell double standards.
Look at the paintings. How many find them offensive? Even their artists poke fun of Hindus and Hindus just put up with it like sheep and the press says they are “intolerant” when they protest the paintings.
http://arvind-iyer.blogspot.com/2006/02/mf-hussains-masterpieces.html
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Abhi,
slight modification “Terrorism is an intrinsic part of Abrahamic religions”(of course marxism). It is a part of all ‘isms’ that claim that they have the sole right on the truth. There are exactly two religions claiming that they are the ‘true religion’ and those who dont accept are doomed. Whom do you beleive..
Compare this with religions of indian origin.. Budhdism is an almost atheistic and jainism is advanced that its extremely sceptical o everything (syadvaada). How can you equate such civilised stremas of thoughts to the desert dogmas?
Kannadiga: superb comments
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Avva Madesa
Thank you
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1. Firstly, Advani did not speak on Hindu terrorist. He spoke on bad treatment meted out to a Sadhvi after she filed complained against ATS. Why human rights groups are mum on her treatment? What would have happened, if a Muslim woman , or religious leader would have got same treatment?
2. We have lost 80,000 people in war with Jehadis. We have so far spent 500,000 crore of more on Kashmir and elsewhere to defend ourself. 500,000 Hindus/Sikhs driven out from Valley.
WHY PSUEDOS NEVER USED THE TERM – MUSLIM TERRORISM?
3. Using the term “Hindu Terrorism” now shows the real agenda of psuedos- to appease Muslims as well as disrepute Hindus.
4. Other than politicians, its JNU-wallas who created identities, pitted one against another. Now, its out of control.
ATS has shoot on its own feet. Destroyed Indian army’s image. That of Hindu Seers. Now, Pakistan, Bangladesh are going to quote Mumbai ATS’s report when next bomb goes off.
5. DOES RULE OF LAW APPLY ONLY TO THE HINDUS? Remember Original Sin “Shahbanu”?
6. Anyway- very dark days are ahead. For political upmanship- Congress conspired and did this. Whole anti-terror doctrine of India now lay in tatters. When Radical Islam is breathing its fire- SOONER OR LATER ITS GOING TO EXPLODE.
This is what former Chief of RAW wrote today
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14801161
Radical Islam’s war with India
“On good authority it can be said that one responsible Muslim voice within the portals of governance holds the view that India is on its way to a civil war, which will be fought on every street including every village and the town.”
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Clash>>…. their associations with fascist organizations like VHP, RSS and the ilks.
There is no data to show RSS as facist. Marxist Talibans are talking about two incidents – but as usual not speaking the whole thing:
1. Some stray comments from Golwalkar’s book “We or our Nationhood Defined”:
This is a book NOT written by him. He translated it. He also himself asked the publisher NOT to republish it again in 1938 because it was unscientific. Go and read notes that Ashish Nandy put together in “Creation of a Nationality”.
2. Visit of BS Moonje to Mousolini:
Consider these facts:
(a) Moonje was a right hand man of Lokmanya Tilak. When Tilak etc were physically attacked during Surat Session of Congress in 1907 by fellow Congressmen, it was Moonje who provided security to Tilak.
(b) Moonje was member of “First Defense Committee of India” under the Chairmanship of General Chetwood.
(c) Moonje played role in setting up Indian Military Academy, Dehradoon.
(d) Moonje visited England, Germany, Italy, France- met many General of WWI (he himself participated in war outside India as a doctor of Indian Army) to understand more about Military training and apply those in India.
(e) Indian defense Minister was member of Committee that celebrated birth Centenary of Moonje.
Its Yechuri who once justified Muslim communalism to check Hindu COmmunalism. He asked for birth certificate of Rama. He also supports destruction of Ram-Sethu, and very existance of Rama and so on. Its same yechuri who attended a meeting with most deadly Islamist group Jamat-E-Islami few weeks back in Delhi.
Marxism is dead- but people like him are not only abusing patriotic Indians, very root of Hinduism, they are justifying Islamist Groups like Jamat-E-Islami.
This shortcut for Muslim Vote and abuse of Hindus have been root casue of rise of Hindutva. People like Yechuri are just adding fuel to the fire.
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My question to churmuri….Why…should the hindus not be terrorists to defend themselves…OR is it the exclusive preserve of the mosies ?
sure, no ones stopping u from being one… go ahead and die for rest of the Hindus. its ur life do what u want with it. u have my permission…
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Coffee addict,
I am now convinced that you don’t know anything about ULFA or the illegal Bangladeshi immigrant problem. You are just blabbering some crap just to conclude that ULFA is a Hindu terror outfit killing Muslims.
“Mr. ULFA is an Assamese organisation. It is true. But, all members of ULFA are Hindus”
So by your logic KRV is a Hindu organization since most of its members are Hindu.
“their main targets are Muslims”
Wrong. Their main targets are Hindi speaking people right from the beginning.
“ULFA was actually formed to throw Bangladeshi Muslims out of Assam in the 80s”
Wrong again. ULFA was not formed to throw “illegal” Bangladeshi muslims out of Assam. That was AGP under Prafulla Kumara Mohanta and not ULFA.
ULFA was formed to establish a sovereign Assam through an armed struggle.
Read this to get some info about ULFA
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/assam/terrorist_outfits/Ulfa.htm
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IN ANY CASE, VATICAN, THE THEN POPE WAS ACTIVE COLLABORATOR WITH FACISTS OF GERMANY, AND ITALY.
VATICAN GOT STATEHOOD DURING THE TIME OF MOUSOLINI AS A QUID PRO QUO FOR SUPPORTING FACISTS. Why Yechuri is mum on those?
Even though Leftists spent years in reseraching – no direct link could be found between Italian facists and Hindu right.
Rather, it was Sri Aurobindo- iconic Hindu Nationalist- who condemned facism way back in early 1930s.
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Violence can be controlled only through violence. What Pragya Singh Thakur, Lt. Col. Shrikant Purohit did was not bravery but cowardice. Instead of targeting people who instigate violence, they planted bombs to forment civil unrest. This sort of VHP/GSB crookedness is not going solve terrorism. The right way would have been to target the community leaders instigating terrorism so that they get the right message.
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Dont give too much of importance to commie views.It is not worth mentioning for a debate.These Pseudo Buddhi jeevis will bark anything against Hindu and Hinduism but never even open anything ……. against other religions.Its b’cas we are tolerant these a…….. are barking.Now a days Churumuri has become another Commie Blog.
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Hiker and Coffee Addict:
ULFA was created by strongman Congress CM Hiteshar Saikia to keep illegal Bangladeshi Muslims at check. Many senior security experts wrote abt this in their book.
What happened slowly was: ULFA was infiltrated by ISI. Now its top leaders have been converted to Islam, live in luxury in Dhaka and follow ISI agenda. Their original demands of throwing out illegal bangladeshis are no where to be seen.
In lower Assam, for last many many years, mostly illegal Muslims work as ULFA cadre. There were many other radical Muslim groups like MULTA etc- who now merged them with ULFA.
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The RAW chief has rightly addressed the issue. The following message to every Indian citizen should be clear and loud – i.e : If you do not want to live with us, you are welcome to leave our country.
There should be one law for everyone, just like the western countries. Eg: Muslims in western countries can not follow polygamy, still they choose to live there on welfare, irrespective of what their Koran allows. Muslims work in McDonald/PizzaHut that serve pork, though koran expressly prohibits them handling pork. This shows that they can adapt to the lifestyle in countries they settle. Therefore, they should be prepared to accept uniform civil code in India too if they want to live with us.
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Tathagata Mukherji Says:
Even though Leftists spent years in reseraching – no direct link could be found between Italian facists and Hindu right.
This is from wikipedia on Moonje:
He visited many Military Schools in Britain, Germany, France and Italy. He met many Generals of First World War and also met Mussolini to study the military training imparted in Italy. He took initiative in starting Indian Military Academy at Dehradoon as the first Indian Academy in 1936. After this tour he established Central Hindu Military Education Society at Nashik in 1935 and started Bhonsala Military School in 1937 as a feeder Institute to IMA, Dehradun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._S._Moonje
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MallaPottell, what u wrote is 101% right…. lets see how this one is refuted by their supporters…
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The poll question is wrong.
One quick browsing of last thousand year of history will tell you where the fountain of terrorism is. Suffice to say it is not anything Indic.
Anyway, it is not as if Hindus can not be terrorists.
Hindus CHOSE NOT to be terrorists.
Look at what is going on today. A proven terrorist, Afzal Guru is being treated like a hero instead sending him to death as Supreme Court ordered.
A woman, whose crime could not proven is being tortured!
Sadhwi Pragya Singh is being tortured to provide proof that Hindu terrorism exists. This will probably seen as one of the darkest chapter in India’s struggle against invasive, repressive, alien religions. Future generation will be shocked to read that entire nation sat and watched (and polled if Hindus can be terrorists for a passtime) while a dhaarmic Bhaarateeya Woman is ‘caught’, thrown behind bars, insulted, tortured and forced to make statements-all without following the rule of law.
Once again, India has proven it has no will to protect its own innocent.
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Naveen: Can you say a person facist who was one of the prime movers to establish Indian Military Academy, Dehradoon- which is now our finest military institute?
Can you say a person facist just because he wanted to make his country strong militarily and met ALL European powers of those era?
Subhas Bose worked Germany, Japan- BUT WHAT WAS HIS INTENTION? Was he a facist too? Or a patriot of first degree? Why we buy weapons, missiles today from USA, Russian, Israel?
Why not Indian history be written from India’s perspective- why it will be written from others perspective?
NATIONAL INTEREST IS SUPREME- YOUR ENEMY MAY CHANGE, BUT NATIONAL INTEREST NEVER CHANGES. Tomorrow, if situation changes, WE MAY EVEN EMBRACE CHINA.
I urge you to read more authoritative accounts of Savarkar, Moonje. And learn how Religious imbalance worked in favor of creating Pakistan during WWII. And how Savarkar/Moonje protected India by recruiting large numbers of hindus in Indian army during WWII.
Its a fascinating story , of shrewed strategic games which however mainstream media hardly speaks about.
Pakistan was created because of WWII. As Brits won WWII because of 2Million Indian Army.
Pakistan was created because Indian Army had 35-40% Muslims.
Had Savarkar.Moonje not been there, this percentage would gave shot upto 50%, and India would have been without Punjab, J&K , West Bengal, Assam and NE.
These are facts which can never be disputed.
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Hindu terrorism is an oxymoron.
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Please everyone look at how the mosques in Kashmir valley are beginning to have interesting designs–they are HIndu structures converted into mosques. It is not enough for them to raze all remnants of Hindu and Buddhist civilization in Kashmir valley–all buildings showing evidence of Hindu culture must be converted into mosques….
These pictures were very disturbing to me and they people who are destroying the original culture in Kashmir are very agressive as opposed to Hindus who just do nothing about what is happening…imagine if you were a Kashmiri HIndu born and raised there and your ancestors have a history of 3000 years there and you see only the ruins of your culture…all temples and buildings destroyed and all around you just see white buildings. How would you Feel? Please do not tell me that these people are not terrorists. Islam is suited to the tribal desert like Arabia not a beautiful place like Kashmir…one has to compare the glory of Kashmir before Isalm to after Isalm and then you understand something went terribly wrong. But you are called a facist for pointing this out that something went terribly wrong and stating this simple FACT of history. I think when these desert people run out of oil their artificial economies will come to a halt…and they will have to work hard to keep up with countries that produce intellectual output…more likely judging from thier history they will return to fighting amongst themselves…I think everyone all around the world is waiting for the end of oil and with that the end of oil sponsored Islamic terrorism which sends money to Muslims in places like Kashmir via Pakistan
http://www.iakf.org/photo/thumbnails.php?album=8g….
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Naveen- also, consider, Indian Commies changed their position on WWII three time-
1. When WWII started, but USSR did not get involved (CPI was opposed to Brits- termed it imperialists war).
2. When USSR was attacked by Germany (CPI changed stand and said- its a war against USSR- so started supporting Brits who were ally of Britain).
3. At the end of the War (back to anti-british position- as told by Stalin).
All three positions were based NOT on Indian interest, but based on USSR’s interest. WHY COMMIES DID NOT LOOK THE WAR FROM INDIA’S PERSPECTIVE?
Moonje was patriot. HE WILL SUPPORT ANYBODY- BE IT GERMANY, BRITAIN, OR JAPAN- FROM INDIAN POINT OF VIEW.
WHICHEVER COUNTRY HELPS INDIAN CAUSE- HE WILL EMBRACE.
Hope, I could explain.
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Please everyone look at how the mosques in Kashmir valley are beginning to have interesting designs–they are HIndu structures converted into mosques. It is not enough for them to raze all remnants of Hindu and Buddhist civilization in Kashmir valley–all buildings showing evidence of Hindu culture must be converted into mosques….
These pictures were very disturbing to me and they people who are destroying the original culture in Kashmir are very agressive as opposed to Hindus who just do nothing about what is happening…imagine if you were a Kashmiri HIndu born and raised there and your ancestors have a history of 3000 years there and you see only the ruins of your culture…all temples and buildings destroyed and all around you just see white buildings. How would you Feel? Please do not tell me that these people are not terrorists. Islam is suited to the tribal desert like Arabia not a beautiful place like Kashmir…one has to compare the glory of Kashmir before Isalm to after Isalm and then you understand something went terribly wrong. But you are called a facist for pointing this out that something went terribly wrong and stating this simple FACT of history. I think when these desert people run out of oil their artificial economies will come to a halt…and they will have to work hard to keep up with countries that produce intellectual output…more likely judging from thier history they will return to fighting amongst themselves…I think everyone all around the world is waiting for the end of oil and with that the end of oil sponsored Islamic terrorism which sends money to Muslims in places like Kashmir via Pakistan .
http://www.iakf.org/photo/thumbnails.php?album=8
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larissa : You know the tragedy of Kashmir?
Those who unleashed this Wahabi-Deobandi kind virulent Islam in Kashmir and destroyed Sufi Islam, i.e., the Deoband, are now lionised by a section of Indian Press and Parties like CPIM, Congress as “ideal Muslims”.
Today, in Kashmir, most Imams are from Bihar, Uttar Pradesh who are pass outs of Deoband and its they who are responsible for thie Jehadi terrorism as they destroyed Sifi Islam being practised over centuries by rural Kashmiri Muslims.
Nobody has galls to stand up and talk straight. FOr Muslim Vote and weired political correctness. Western Press however don;t follow this- they stood up against Jehadi Islam all the time.
India faces an extremely dangerous period as these sort of politics and intelelctual dishonesty continues.
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Tathagata Mukherjee,
Pls read this again from wiki:
and also met Mussolini to study the military training imparted in Italy.
Now we all know Mussolini was a fascist and the military training imparted in Italian schools were obviously based on fascist ideology. Now surely Moonje was not going to follow the British or French military syllabus coz Brits were our masters then and the French their allies. And then remember that adage “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”. Moreover it was none other than Golwalkar who wrote that Hindu fascist bible titled “We, Or Our Nationhood Defined”. So fascism as we know it was not alien to the Hindu right then. So obviously the military training imparted in the private military schools established by the Hindu right must be based on Hindu fascist ideology. The proof of this will be out once their syllabus is publicly examined. Another proof will be the number of Christian/ Muslim students in these Sangh military schools.
And about Netaji, well he only practised that adage I wrote earlier””my enemy’s enemy is my friend” and he was definitely not a fascist unlike Golwalkar and gang.
About rest of what u wrote I dont want to reply not b’coz i dont have an answer but for paucity of time.
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naveen,
>>sure, no ones stopping u from being one… go ahead and die for rest of the Hindus. its ur life do what u want with it. u have my permission…
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Nobody is asking your permission here btw the job of a terrorist is take someone else’s life not to give up his own.
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To all you chest thumping psuedo secularists on this board,….
Wanted to inform that the ATS has slapped MCOCA section 3 on all 10 accused in the malegoan case thereby giving it 6 months time to submit FIR. This proves that Maharashtra congi government is going all out to somehow prove that hindu terrorism exists. These 6 months should give enough time to the ATS to fabricate more lies and evidence in order to file a FIR. So you guys can start the celebrations now
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You sit and watch ATS is going to solve all the cases related to terrorism like recent bombings in all over the country including some of the cases which might have have happened before Sadhvi Prajna was in to LKG by giving credit to her. As per ATS and psuedo seculars there can only one religion at present in to terrorism that is Hindu.
I am really disappointed with how the things are going bad to worse in this country. This is really disgusting!!!!
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hmmm…i think there are a lot more comments coming into this theme,
Anyone care to give a good solid sound definition of “terrorism” and “terrorists” before arguing about which religion consists of terrorists or non terrorists?
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FIR in my above post should be read as Chargesheet
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Its election time and kaangi can’t take the risk of a generic “hindu” terrorist term, as it might include all their vote banks.
Very soon I forsee a correction in the term and calling it “Brahmin” terrorist and rayara maTHas, shankara maTHas being portrayed as “Brahmin” madrasas churning out “Brahmin jehadis”. You will have a breaking news stories that connects the early morning dwadasi oota with terrorist plots. Given how disjoint the brahmin community is, this might end up as sanketi terrorist, smarta terrorist, madhva terrorist and so on :)
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This is the correct URL for the above post
The URL above does not work.
http://www.iakf.org/photo/thumbnails.php?album=8
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Chintaka
its good to use logic once in a while. It took more than a decade to hang indira gandhi’s killers.
law is painfully slow in india. it should take its own course. Afzal guru will eventually be hanged, just because you and BJP have a blood lust, you cannot jump the queue and hang afzal guru by passing 15 others in teh queue
BJP govt in Gujarat has demolisshed 200 temples. wonder why the govt. did not demolist illegal mosques and churches…simple, that is because hindus are soft targets..
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The Congress and Commie goons owe an answer to Kashmiri Pandits! Their cheap vote bank politics has ruined India
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witch hunt of hindus in their only country… If this had haoppened to a nun or a mulsim woman, all hell would have brokjen loose and wicked manmohan would have not slept in his next 7 neecha janmas
http://www.dailypioneer.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=135277&URLName=%25u2018I-was-beaten-day-and-night-my-chastity-was-questioned-I-wanted-to-commit-suicide%25u2019
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@ Chintaka & Hiker,
The question is whether Hindus can become terrorists. The answer is YES.
The people who run terrorist organisations like ULFA are Hindus.
Please don’t behave like ‘ Hindu bomb disposal squad ‘.
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Naveen>>Moreover it was none other than Golwalkar who wrote that Hindu fascist bible titled “We, Or Our Nationhood Defined”.
Don’t invent facts- distorting facts, repeatedly telling distorted facts IS FACISM.
This book was NOT written by Golwalkar. He translated it to English- that too he himself stopped its further edition after 1937-38. Because? He thought it was unscientific. Neither it was RSS’s Bible- it never had any reprint after 1937.
As far as Munje is concerned, he was a proud Indian patriot. And as a patriot, he met anybody and everybody WHOM he thought will help our national interest. CPI ACCUSED SUBHAS CHANDRA BOSE AS “TEJO’S (Japan’s Military Chief) DOG” DURING WWII.
Does anybody care what Commuists say? DOES INDIAN COMMUNISTS CERTIFICATE HAVE ANY VALUE? Communists are internationalist- naturally they are against nationalist.
That’s the reason, Communists are now limitd to two states- that too by playing caste, communal politics. While Nationalists have ruled India for 6 years, and rule(s) all major states.
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Simple>>you cannot jump the queue and hang afzal guru by passing 15 others in teh queue
When two Sikhs were hanged for assasination of Indira Gandhi- the decision was taken within few hours by Congress Govt. There were many in the queue as well. Isn’t it?
Neither those now waiting for disposal of mercy petition did crimes which are as heinious as attacking very temple of our democracy- attacking Indian parliament.
WORSE, CONGRESS LIED ABT AFZAL PETITION- ITS LYING IN DELHI GOVT’S DEPARTMENT- THOUGH CONG SAID ITS PRESIDENT KALAM WHO IS SITTING ON THIS.
Lastly, STOP SUPPORTING MERCY PETITION OF TERRORISTS WHO HAVE DONE GREATEST DAMAGE TO INDIA.
Fact of the matter is: had Afzal been a Hindu, or Sikh, or Xtian- he would have been hanged long time ago.
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Coffee Addict – Of course Hindus can become terrorists. The point is, are the accused in the Malegoan case, terrorists?
The other point, that remains critical is this; Do these “Hindu” Terrorists draw sustenance from Hinduism in order for them to have a “positive” agenda of taking over government and establishing their ideology, whatever that might be? If this cannot be proved by our liberals, then they must shut their mouths about Terrorists not having any religion and then equalizing Hindus and Muslims. And yes, some Sangh fools have fallen for that trap too!
Whether anybody is a Terrorist, would, in the opinion of our last law (POTA), have to fit this definition;
“(1) Whoever,—
(a) with intent to threaten the unity, integrity, security or sovereignty of India or to strike terror in the people or any section of the people does any act or thing by using bombs, dynamite or other explosive substances or inflammable substances or firearms or other lethal weapons or poisons or noxious gases or other chemicals or by any other substances (whether biological or otherwise) of a hazardous nature or by any other means whatsoever, in such a manner as to cause, or likely to cause, death of, or injuries to any person or persons or loss of, or damage to, or destruction of, property or disruption of any supplies or services essential to the life of the community or causes damage or destruction of any property or equipment used or intended to be used for the defense of India or in connection with any other purposes of the Government of India, any State Government or any of their agencies, or detains any person and threatens to kill or injure such person in order to compel the Government or any other person to do or abstain from doing any act;
(b) is or continues to be a member of an association declared unlawful under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967 (37 of 1967), or voluntarily does an act aiding or promoting in any manner the objects of such association and in either case is in possession of any unlicensed firearms, ammunition, explosive or other instrument or substance capable of causing mass destruction and commits any act resulting in loss of human life or grievous injury to any person or causes significant damage to any property, commits a terrorist act.
Explanation.—For the purposes of this sub-section, “a terrorist act” shall include the act of raising funds intended for the purpose of terrorism.”
Per MCOCA (Against Organized Crime)
2. Definitions-
(1) In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,-
(a) “abet”, with its grammatical variations and congnate expressions, includes,-
(i) the communication or association with any person with the actual knowledge or having reason to believe that such person is engaged in assisting in any manner, an organised crime syndicate; (ii) the passing on or publication of, without any lawful authority, any information likely lo assist the organised crime syndicate and the passing on or publication of or distribution of any document or matter obtained from the organised crime syndicate; and
(iii) the rendering of any assistance, whether financial or otherwise, to the organised crime Syndicate;
(b) “code” means the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973;
(c) “Competent Authority” means the Competent Authority appointed under section 13;
(d) “continuing unlawful activity” means an activity prohibited by law for the time being in force, which is a cognizable offence punishable with imprisonment of three years or more, undertaken either singly or jointly, as a member of an organised crime syndicate or on behalf of such, syndicate in respect of which more than one charge-sheets have been field before a competent Court within the preceding period of ten years and that Court has taken cognizance of such offence;
(e) “organised crime” means any continuing unlawful activity by an individual, singly or jointly, either as a member of an organised crime syndicate or on behalf of such syndicate, by use of violence or threat of violence or intimidation or coercion, or other unlawful means, with the objective of gaining pecuniary benefits, or gaining undue economic or other advantage for himself or any person or promoting insurgency;
Note 1
The expression “organised” in 2 (e) is very important. It means a Crime done by a single person in a planned way, as well as, crime committed, with the help of others in an organised way. It presupposes that the criminal, before committing the crime, has obtained complete information regarding the economic as well as social status of the person against the crime of is committed.
(f) “organised crime syndicate” means a group of two or more persons who, acting either singly or collectively, as a syndicate of gang indulge in activities of organised crime; (g) “Special Court” means the Special Court constituted under section 5.
(2) Words and expressions used but not defined in this Act and defined in the Code shall have the meanings respectively assigned to them in the Code shall have the meanings respectively assigned to them in the code.
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Tathagata Mukherji,
Former IB director M K Dhar has said that Hiteswar Saikia had a hand in the formation of ULFA. To say that he founded ULFA is not correct.
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Conducting such polls is useless. How many people will be influenced by the outcome of such polls? HIndus and terrorism …wonderful questions.
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Childhood indoctrination has lead to ‘my god has the biggest dick’ syndrome, which is apparent in this forum. Avva madesa – go and read a bit of Indian history and try to break the compartments in your brain. Nevertheless I see one trend amongst Hindus off late. Suddenly we have started to feel superior to ‘Abrahamic religions’, probably because, since post 9/11 there have been a number of critics of Judeo-Christian-Islam faith and Hinduism is not put to the same litmus test.
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Abhi, whatever you are trying to say, say it well. Ridiculous queries will attract ridiculous responses.
Which Hindu has claimed for his god the “bigger dick”?
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>>since post 9/11 there have been a number of critics of Judeo-Christian-Islam faith and Hinduism is not put to the same litmus test.
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Abhi,
There is a reason why they do that and I hope you know the reason.
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Abhi,
When you say “read indian history” do you mean the history written by JNU H(D)istorian Jhollawallah brigade ?
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BJP is playing with fire
By Kuldip Nayar
THE Indian armed forces are a holy cow. We do not question their expenses, nor has there ever been any parliamentary committee to look into their budgetary allocations.
Why they purchase a particular type of weapon has been left to the defence ministry to decide. To take one example, the navy is bent upon buying the Russian aircraft carrier Gorshkov even though Moscow has been periodically raising the sale price, which now stands at $3.2bn.
Once in a while a case like the Bofors guns scandal has shaken the nation, but that information came from outside and the ruling party did its best to hush it up. Even the Italian go-between, Quattrochi, was pursued up to a point and then allowed to go scot-free, despite CBI protests, because of his high-level connections.
So our trust in the armed forces has been implicit since independence and never did we suspect that some officer could be ideologically contaminated. All of a sudden, we have been hit by one case, that of Lt Col Srikant Prasad Purohit. He is the senior serving officer who has allegedly played a key role in the Malegaon bombings of Sept 29. The blasts took place in mostly Muslim localities, killing 31. As usual the initial suspicion fell on Muslims. Malegaon is a small weavers’ town near Nasik in Maharashtra and this is the second time in two years that the Muslims of this run-down area have been victims of similar blasts.
Strange that the military intelligence had no clue that one army officer was involved with local Hindu extremists. The credit goes to the Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS) that unearthed the information that those responsible for the crime were Hindu terrorists. The ATS interrogated Lt Col Purohit and arrested him after getting permission from the army.
The question anybody will ask is why military intelligence failed to discover that a senior officer was involved. Military intelligence has a large set-up in all the three services and has its men all over the country. When they fail in their job of uncovering extremists in their own ranks, this suggests that they are taking their job nonchalantly.
It is all the more disconcerting that no such previous case has come to light since independence. It may well be an aberration. Yet it is difficult to imagine that a Purohit has been born only in the last few years. An in-depth and overall probe is required.
True, in a recent interview Chief of Army Staff Gen Deepak Malhotra has revealed that the army high command is now profiling officers. This is a knee-jerk reaction. A thorough profiling of 31,000 officers is simply not possible and picking up a few at random will not be fair. What the services have to eliminate is the suspicion in the minds of the people that even the military is not immune to communal contamination. For the common man the armed forces are a bastion of security and protection.
I concede that the military does a credible job in hiring recruits from a society that has all the ills and converting them into an apolitical force. But this is a field where the nation cannot afford to go wrong even in one case.
I do not think that a secular India will ever face a situation of communalism in the armed forces even if the rulers were to connive with fundamentalists of a particular community. The armed forces themselves have such an ethos that they would not allow such a situation to arise.
I know how upset the army was when a senior officer was taken to the BJP office in Delhi for a briefing when the Vajpayee government was in power. The mistaken impression given to the army high command was that some MPs wished to be briefed about ongoing operations.
Still, the worrying point is that many retired military officers are joining the BJP, or propagating on its behalf. Indeed, the party has an association of ex-military men. A few days ago this association sent out invitations on BJP stationery to a press conference about Assam scheduled to be addressed by a retired lieutenant general.
This does not come as a surprise because the BJP has said that Hindus cannot be terrorists and that the armed forces are a part of Indian society which has been horrified by the pusillanimous and apologetic approach of the UPA government to terror attacks. In fact, party president Rajnath Singh has said that the party will bear the legal costs of those apprehended in the Malegaon case.
The BJP is playing with fire when it communalises a case that should be looked into objectively and the guilty punished severely. The problem with the party is that it is trying its best to polarise the country for the purpose of elections, five of which are in progress in the states and then for the Lok Sabha, which is scheduled next March-April. The party is so power hungry that all other segments of society and the institutions will have to take steps to protect themselves.
I do not know why the regimental centres have to have a temple, mosque and gurdwara on their premises. These places of worship exist in those towns and cities where the regimental centres are located. Those who seek the comfort of religion are perfectly free to go there. Why should the army allow religious worship in its places?
Yet much depends upon political parties. They cannot disturb the nation’s faith in the ethos of pluralism. This is our heritage from the national struggle and this is what we have enshrined in the constitution. Playing the Hindu card to counter Muslim fundamentalists is hitting at the very foundation of India. The nation even before winning independence said that it would have a secular polity and that is what we have been following, although not as firmly at times as we should.
Purohit or persons like him among Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims are a symptom of diseased thinking. They are a danger to the country’s integrity. It’s a pity that for the sake of votes some political parties are encouraging them even at the expense of the country’s unity. My experience says that they will not go very far.
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kannadiga – I know there is a very good reason for criticizing it and all 3 religions deserve it more than what is being said. But at the same time Hinduism is not much different, just because it has not attracted that many critics. It is the time to come out of religious dogmas and say all of it have an intrinsic terror element in it and recognize that we as human beings have evolved over the past 2000 years and know better than those cavemen. Morality of ape man, be it beheading of non believers or caste system, can not be applied to 21st century.
Palahalli – Are you aware of metaphors in English language?
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Kuldip Nayyar>>I do not think that a secular India will ever face a situation of communalism in the armed forces ….
How does India do when its Prime Minister says inside Indian Parliament – “Muslims have first rights on our resources?”
Indian Army is also part of Indian society- and what you expect them to do WHEN THEY FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISTS, GET KILLED- WHILE POLITICAL CLASS RELEASES THEM, OR GIVES PENSION TO FAMILIES OF THOSE KILLED TERRORISTS?
Go and read pieces by intelligence experts and ex Army officers who write in the media. They are seething with rage- because ATS goofed up the whole issue- and damaged India army’s image as well as that of Hindu Seers.
ATS says- 60 KG RDX from Indian Army was used by Purohit. Do they know how much explosives it is? and its capability? What was the need to involve Indian army with Samjhuta Blast?
Fact is, NOT only Indian Army is upset and sent denial- even Union Govt, Home Ministry is upset the way ATS is conducting itself.
ATS’s own credibility has gone for a toss.
Mumbai ATS has created a royal mess for itself- and emboldened Jehadis, Pakistan, ISI, SIMIs. What a shame that media did not realize that and carried their half baked falses.
http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20557&issueid=80
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Ask yourself- why Indian Army refused to protect Ayodhya ‘mosque’ during height of ayodhya movement? If Ashis Nandy is to be believed, Indian Army was sounded by the then Govt- but Army Chief said- no, we are sorry. We also have soldiers who have their religious ideas.
Nayar is adding fuel to the fire. Here is a more matured piece by Inder Malhotra (who is not a friend of BJP):
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20081114/edit.htm#4
Malegaon and military
Handle the situation with utmost care
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So now the candleabra is weighing in with his considered opionon and declaring that Purohit is a terrorist before he is pronounced so by the courts….I think this piece must have been written for either DAWN or Khaleej Times by this psec guy.
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>>It is all the more disconcerting that no such previous case has come to light since independence. >>
This is a blatant lie…there are a number of cases unearthed in the past years involving muslim army/navy personnel, if only this guy was not deaf and blind he would have perceived them.
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larissa : You know the tragedy of Kashmir?
Those who unleashed this Wahabi-Deobandi kind virulent Islam in Kashmir and destroyed Sufi Islam, i.e., the Deoband, are now lionised by a section of Indian Press and Parties like CPIM, Congress as “ideal Muslims”.
Today, in Kashmir, most Imams are from Bihar, Uttar Pradesh who are pass outs of Deoband and its they who are responsible for thie Jehadi terrorism as they destroyed Sifi Islam being practised over centuries by rural Kashmiri Muslims.
Nobody has galls to stand up and talk straight. FOr Muslim Vote and weired political correctness. Western Press however don;t follow this- they stood up against Jehadi Islam all the time.
India faces an extremely dangerous period as these sort of politics and intelelctual dishonesty continues.
@TM
Actually the tragedy of Kashmir began when Muslims started to enter the valley. Kashmir was the last refuge for Hindus in the North–Please read the last one hundred pages of the Kitab-i-Yamini(written by Muslim historians) to see what kind of barbarians entered Kashmir. The original Hindu and Buddhist inhabitants let them in–they came from as far as Iran to spread their religion. If you look at Sufi Isalm it has a Hindu-Buddhist influence. Balkh where Rumi came from was originally a Buddhist-Zoroastrian area–hence the mysticism in a matter of fact tribal religion like Isalm. Hindus and Buddhists were stupid–the Muslims through proselytizing increased in numbers and when Kashmir was controlled by a Isalmic court, non-Mulisms had to pay a very high tax which is why some converted for economic reasons and others had to convert by force. How many Pandits were drowned in Dal lake and killed by Muslims over the centuries? But they refused to convert with the result that everyone had converted in Kashmir except the Brahmins. But now after the ethnic cleansing by Muslims the Pandits have lost the battle–it is sad becasue they had been strong for centuries and resisted converting to a tribal religion originating from the desert. Now they are refugees in their own country. Is this not what happens everywhere with Isalm? Once they are the majority they kick our everyone else and want to live under sharia. With the way it is going in India, I will not be surprised that Muslims with outnumber Hindus soon, as they have many children..and places like West Bengal will be taken over by illegal Bengalis and later generations of Hindus will blink and wondered what happened to India. When a culture cannot defend itself against agression then perhaps it does not deserve to surive. If Hindus cannot plan for the future of their country then perhaps it is fitting their later generations succumb to the burkas on account of their stupidity from failing to prevent agression.
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Childhood indoctrination has lead to ‘my god has the biggest dick’ syndrome, which is apparent in this forum. Avva madesa – go and read a bit of Indian history and try to break the compartments in your brain. Nevertheless I see one trend amongst Hindus off late. Suddenly we have started to feel superior to ‘Abrahamic religions’, probably because, since post 9/11 there have been a number of critics of Judeo-Christian-Islam faith and Hinduism is not put to the same litmus test.
@Actually the biggest critique of the three religions arising from the desert was Freud. Please read Frued’s Moses and Monotheism, which is a very thin book. He claims that Moses was a Egyptian who destroyed the peace and continues to. Before the founding of the three desert religions, the religions in the ancient world were of a syncretic nature, people of different religious practices took and borrowed from each other–people fought wars for empire, not to spread their religion. Christianity put an end to that. The desert religions linked religion to conquest and empire. Study the Greco-Roman civilization before the coming of Christianity. You will see how Christianity developed out of the mystery cults in Greece. Clearly, the West lost a great deal after becoming Christian. Immediately after the coming of Christianity, the science of the Greeks came to an end and Europe entered the dark ages which ended only in the Renaissance when they rediscovered Greek ideals…However, Christianity was taken up by a civilized people, the Greeks and Romans. They changed the tribal religion from the desert in their own image and enriched it with their genius and Christianity was critiqued and ultimately gave way to science…you can see the Western World progressed when they rediscovered Greek rationality and Greek ideals in the Renaissance and religion was placed under checks and controls of reason…from Augustine to Luther to Kierkegaard you have some great Christians. These days Christianty has lost its stronghold in the West. It is natural that this would happen because the notion of a revealed truth is at odds with science. With Islam it was different…it originated amongst a bunch of tribals in Arabia and the only culture it obtained was from the cultured folk it conquered such as the Persians and the Byzantines it conquered…Educated Iranians will tell you that they were conquered by the sword and they created Sufism and Shiite Islam as a reaction to the Arab version of Islam. But the tribal elements are in control in Isalm it seems these days…and they have not had their Luther….
The eastern religions…Hindusim, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism have always been indulgent of the claims of others and they are not agressive, nor do they spread through agressive proselytizing, claiming that they have a sole monopoly on the truth…all desert religions claim they have a sole monopoly on the truth…so there is a big difference between the desert religions from the desert and the Indic religions. How is the Indian outlook to survive in the midst of these agressive religions? Please make a comparative study of religions before you equate religions…
I think those tribals in Arabia have not changed one bit…Islam is but Arab nationalism. Before they used religion as an excuse to loot the infidels, and now they still use it to cause trouble…they can afford to do so becasue they sit on oil and do not need to work and have artificial economies propped on oil…but watch when oil comes to an end…these people will revert to tribal days and to fighting amongst themselves and selfdestruct in this way…very likely.
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Tathagata Mukherji,
If translated then pls tell me who is the original author of the “We or our Nationhood Defined” from neutral source like Wikipedia..
If u think I am some Commie just because I against Hindutva then pls be informed that I too am an nationalist but not the Hindutva kind..
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Liberals like Shri Kuldip Nayar are high flyers. They rarely, if at all, walk on Earth like normal human beings. It could be that they are scared of being scorched by its heat (?) After all, wasn’t Shri Nayar a refugee from “Pakistan”?
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In a religious centric country like ours things like this are bound to happen.
When right to basic life is a far cry fir most of our citizens (read tens of millions of under privileged people dying of hunger and diseases) coupled with illiteracy forced on them by our ruling masters, religion is bound to take central place in winning votes as well as for perpetuating rabid religiousness and superstitions!
We are slowly turning into a religious centric state like our neighbors Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, because well educated Indians are turning into religious bigots of the third order, whether Hindus or Muslims. There comes a day when civilized nations shun us like plague. Then we can proudly proclaim ourselves as the “Jurassic park of Religious Bigots”.
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Naveen>>If translated then pls tell me who is the original author of the “We or our Nationhood Defined” from neutral source like Wikipedia..
Check Page 84-85 of “Creating a Nationality” by Ashish Nandy et al for details (its one of the most authoritative book on Ramjanmabhoomi movement ever written by a psuedo). Spend some effort, money if you have passion to find truth. There are whole body of info available which is not there in Wiki!
Do you know Tagore visited Italy at the invitation of Moussolini?
Do you know a host of world leaders had admiration for Moussolini at one or other point of time? They include Gandhi, GB Shaw, Frued, Edison, Churchill….? So, all they are facist like Moonje whose only crime was he wanted to make his motherland strong by military training?
Following history as taught by Marxists are dangerous. Don;t fall into their trap.
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larissa : Thanks for your insight. Yes, the history of Pandits are so tragic. Once, a Sikh Guru had to give up his mortal life to protect them. Alas, under “secular” leadership of India, particularly Nehru’s, they are banished. Mainstream media never writes their pain, or what actually happened.
But don;t worry- I tracked Sri Amarnathji movement of Jammu very closely- and now I am hopeful. A new Hindu class is rising, who are educated, from middle class, who are not willing to take it anymore.
Change is coming- they say. Its coming indeed, and its coming from those places like Jammu, Assam where Hindus are increasingly under threat. No media manipulation can stop them. nomore.
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babuds>>We are slowly turning into a religious centric state like our neighbors Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan,
You are wrong. Look at Europe, both Americas- anywhere, even in CHina. Religion has come back with a big bang.
The assumptions of ‘modernists’ that with urbanization, development of science and technology etc- religion (as they knew it) will loose its place- has been proved wholly wrong. There are many reasons for this.
In India, when you are sourrunded by wor;d’s worst neighborhood- what else you expect? Hindutva is probably most successful cultural movement that world has seen in last 30-40 years. And the way India faces more and more danger- we will see even more rise of Hindutva in the coming years and decades. It means many things to many people- for me however, its less religion, more cultural unity that can protect India.
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Coffee addict,
The question is whether we can call ULFA a Hindu terrorist organization just because most of its members are Hindus? The answer is NO.
Please don’t behave like a “Islamic suicide bomber squad”.
I will try and explain to you again…
Can we call India a Hindu country because majority of its people are Hindus? No. Why? Because our constitution says India is a secular country. Same with Turkey (secular country with 99% Muslims).
similarly ULFA neither claims to be a Hindu outfit nor it is fighting in the name of Hinduism. It does not get inspiration to kill people from any Hindu scriptures. They just want to establish a sovereign, independent Assam.
Not a Hindu Assam.
On the other hand SIMI can be called a Islamic terror outfit. Not because all its members are Muslims. Because it has openly stated that it aims to establish an Islamic rule in India.
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I suggest all Hindus read Kitab-i-Yamini especially the portions on the invasions of India and Kashmir. Skim it and pay attention to the last one hundred and fifty pages. One will begin to understand what kind of tribals entered India–for that mindset is still doing India a lot of harm—One can download it as a e book and read it on the computer. It should be required reading for all HIndus who want to understand their history. It was written by Muslim historians so the seculars cannot accuse them of lying.
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These people at JNU are nothing but budding Communists.. Sadly, they are far away from the Marxist ideology.. They’ll simply criticize everything in their way… I hope that this political conspiracy against Pragya will soon be unveiled and people like Mr. Gupta will disappear from the commentator’s seat…
My ideas about this issue:
http://4squares.wordpress.com
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Would any sane person expect different opinion from a JNU professor? Trust them to come out with anti-Hindu and anti-national rhetoric. Pt.Nehru himself was a closet communist. He nearly sold India to Soviet union and almost invited Chinese to occupy the Indian territory. The university constituted in his name is eminently advancing the causes dear to the India’s first prime minister. Hundreds of Islamic terrorist acts of Muslims, and lack of response of mainstream political parties to these acts do not invite Mr.Dipankar gupta’s valuable comments. But, the moment any Hindu or pro-Hindu organisation takes a wrong step, out comes another bleeding-heart intellectual statement.
Someone has commented in these blogs about Benito Mussolini and his fascism. Does anyone know or has heard how many concentration camps Mussolini ran? On the other hand, look at the record of mass murders committed by the Communists – Stalin and Mao. Stalin’s artificial famin in Ukrain in 1932-33, forced labour camps leading to death in millions of exhausted inmates, unintended famines caused due to foolish economic policies. Mao’s great march, great leap forwad, cultural revolution. How many millions have been descimated in these untended and unintended acts of communists. None has held them answerable to these atrocities. As the allegations and accusations get old, communists scoff at them as “oh, that is an old allegation”. Age not only improves the quality of wine, but also improves the sanctity of communists!
Who brought Hitler to power? Communists, with their subtle and not-so-subtle aid including a pact with him in 1939. Compared to Stalin and Hitler, Mussolini would seem like barnyard boy. This is not to say that Mussoloni was an angle. I am merely saying that people who brand others of being facist are barking up the wrong tree. If anyone has to actually accuse someone being guilty of totalitarianism, the first choice should go to Stalin and next to Hitler.
Communist record is worse than that of Hitler in one more respect. Hitler targeted people whom he considered as alien, such as jews, gypsies, slavs and the like. But, the communists have mass murdered their own people!
Communists haven’t changed one bit. Recently, I saw some procession of these Reds, proudly displaying the photos of Lenin, Stalin and sundry comrades, each guilty of mass murder of several million compatriots. In India, if such acts have not occurred, it is because they have not enjoyed absolute power that they had in China or Russia or other communist countries. Put them in charge of absolute power, they would unleash the bloodbath of “cleasning” the society. The choice of red colour for communists was perhaps, not an accident. People in public life have failed to recognise the honest declaration of intent made by the Communists!
Surely, during Mao’s regime, Mr.Dipankar Gupta was born and alive. Did he write anything about it from the red portals of JNU? The follower of such a bloody ideology now tries to lecture others about use of POTA. Communists world over, including the Indian variety hardly have the right to comment about horrors committed by others.
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@Abhishek Choudhary,
blog dagaring alert…
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Tale hodko beku!
Abhi, I am questioning your metaphor only I say! Which Hindu has claimed a “bigger dick” for his god??
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TM, please forgive me for helping out Naveen here;
“We’ Or Our Nationhood Defined” was translated from Rashtreeya Mimansa by Babarao Savarkar. Elder brother of Veer Savarkar.
I had occasion to read this book in Delhi while attending a Sangh shibir. An old Pracharak gave it to me. It has been out of print since a really long time. Its forward is written by MS Aney, a leading Congressman of his time.
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Thataghata
your fact is as usual completely wrong. it took around ten years for indira gandhi’s killers to be hanged.
it will take less than that time for Afzal guru to be hanged. which means congress means business with terrorists.
congress was the one which took harsh steps against terrorists whether it is sikh fundamentalists (bluestar operation) or against LTTE or against Islamic terrorists.
remember 85 out of the 100 convicted in the mumbai blasts case are muslims… congress has gone hammer and tongs against such anti national forces.
95% muslims are convicted in coimbatore bomb blasts. you guys suffer from warped vision…you conveniently forget the hudreds of muslims who have beengiven their due punishment under congress and you rake up a dead case like Afzal guru who in any case has to wait for the queue, like indiras killers did.
tell me why is bjp demolishing temples in gujarat? why don’t they dare demolish mosques and churches?
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Simple, if you are claiming a “Hindutva” role for the Congress…then may godspeed you. You have my support!
Now, all you have to do is convince Sonia and her cohorts.
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The english media debated for more than a decade whether to use the phrase “muslim terrorist” or “islamic terrorism”.But when the first ATS probe was leaked to the media,within seconds the “secular english media” like CNN IBN declared it was the handywork of “Hindu Terrorists”.
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Simple AKA Wrong Facts.. it made me holler in laughter when you say that facts are wrong!!!!
Tatagatha doesnt know, forgive him… Tatagatha.. Simple has a copyright on getting the facts wrong.. afterall he called himself Wrongfacts in his earlier avatar.. please do not tread on his hallowed ground!!!
Coming to the question of Law being slow etc and etc., the last time when you busy spouting the wrong facts in your support for the CONgress party’s decision to defer hanging, I had said one thing.
For a party in power it makes sense to show that they mean business and not simply hide behind Sonia’s saree… Rajeev’s killers have been pardoned by Sonia with an eye on the vote bank. So? Should the same apply to Afzal Guru???
Logic Simple logic.. one PM killed by terrorists, the accused are executed. The other PM killed by terrorists, they are pardoned. So which precedence of CONgress should you follow???
When the whole country is crying in chorus that CONgress is soft on islamic terrorists, they had a golden opportunity to prove these people wrong. They didnt do it.
Now look at the way they are using ATS to leak the information in the Malegaon blasts!!!! Agenda is plain and simple, SIMPLE..
Agree with me?
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chintaka..
i agree with you.. i liked your way of writing “CONgress”!!
all of you must have seen todays news, the allegations made by Pragya and others on the ATS.. such barbarians.. thankfully, the court has denied the custody to ATS..
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Dear Confused Communalist cum Communist.
Deap breathe. Relax. When you write in a frenzied pace, your statements are incoherent.
1. I said Indira’s killers took ten years to be hanged. But Afzal Guru’s hanging will take place much before ten years. so you guys have no ground to crib about afzal at all. zero basis.
2. Rajiv’s killer got killed in the blast itself . for your ignorant brain, thee person who got killed was Dhanu. Shivrasan, the mastermind was also killed . Nalini one of the fringe acomplices has served her time in jail. The supreme court ordered her life imprisonment, which means 14 odd years. Now she has served her sentence. the LAW HAS TAKEN ITS DUE course. NOBODY HAS BEEN PARDONED> remember that. if nalini finally comes out of jail, it is AFTER SERVING HER SENTENCE TOTALLY, WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY. It is perfectly legal and consitutional. BUt what can one expect of you, who shows scant respect to constitutional norms?
3. Congress has been the toughest on islamic terrorists……from nailing 95% accused in mumbai blasts, from nailing 95% in coimbatore blasts, from catching the dreaded terrorists who were let off by BJP….you have to open up yuor mind to see the facts, and not blindly beleive what BJP says, when the truth is just the opposite.
But i don’t expect much from you, who suffers from WRONG FACTS delusion time and again.
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Simple – Granted your argument that the Congress is tough on terror. However, what is its program to get to the root cause and nip the proverbial “bud”?
Is it prepared to review ALL of its policies of the past, that have helped sustain such terror in this country?
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Simple AKA Wrongfacts…
You win.. I concede… Accept my defeat.. when it comes to mixing facts, getting them in tangles and misinterpreting them, no one can beat you… may you shine till eternity…
But for a pointer…
Nalini and her gang of friends were sentenced to capital punishment….but what happened? Saint came and announced to the whole world that they deserve sympathy, they deserved compassion and allow them to live.. and now the same set of people are clamouring for release because according to the law, life imprisonment means only 14 years… so is this justice served?
And killers doesnt necessarily mean the immediate people who participated in the kill.. i thought even your brain will comprehend this much, sadly i was wrong. In case you dont know, Prabhakaran, who was hundreds of kilometers away at the time of the killing, has been named and remains till date the suspect number one. And in case he ever gets caught, he wil be tried for the murder of Rajeev Gandhi.
I hope you will nowhere be in picture because according to your warped argument, since Dhanu died, since Sivarasan died, all the killers are dead and there is no need to punish any other person!!!!! You a lawyer dude?? By any chance??? Junior to the other infamous CONgress lawyer, R K Anand???
One more thing dude, along with Rajeev, scores of other people got killed in the same blast. Any idea what the family members of those who got killed want to do with Nalini and gang? May be they would have wanted them to be hanged long time back. How come nothing was heard of them?
What if CONgress comes to power the next two terms and allow this Guru chap to rot in the cell? 14 years over, served life imprisonment, release. Correct? Shudder to even think about it…Or worse still, since the muslims voted enblock to CONgress, what if your patron saint decides to pardon Afzal Guru also????
Man, apply for Manish Tiwari’s post pronto.. in terms of being absurd, you beat him hands down!!!!
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Time to halt this farce
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Sandhya Jain
As terrorist charges against Sadhvi Pragya, Lt Col SP Purohit, and an endless list of others become increasingly surreal, the possibility of their being substantiated in a court of law also appears more remote. Rather than struggle daily with new sub-plots, the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad would do well to release the accused and abort its nascent career as a pulp fiction-writer.
Even if the tale of ‘Hindu terror’ had initial plausibility, it fell apart as the arrests degenerated into a fishing expedition of anyone who knew anyone, and the list of their ‘successful crimes’ became truly incredible. The allegation that Lt Col Purohit supplied RDX for the Samjhauta Express bombings blew the case to smithereens as those explosions were caused by incendiary devices; the Army does not stock RDX; the impugned officer had no access to any explosives nor knowledge of bomb-making; and, there is simply no way an Army officer could be involved in so much covert activity without being detected.
Political analysts feel the case was contrived for political reasons, and the Prime Minister’s decision to speak to Mr LK Advani and depute the National Security Adviser and Intelligence Bureau Director to meet him suggests unease at the affair. There are whispers that regional players have driven the crisis to retain their power base, and forced coalition partners into acquiescence. If this is untrue, the sooner the Union Government moves to dissipate this impression the better, as the crisis is having a deleterious impact on the morale of the defence forces.
Mr KPS Gill, the nation’s most valiant police officer, led a citizens’ delegation to the National Human Rights Commission last Friday, where he said that never in his career had he seen such a prolonged police remand for any woman, let alone a sadhvi. Lt Col Purohit has also mentioned maltreatment, but as only Sadhvi Pragya’s affidavit is public so far, it would be worthwhile to note some of its salient points.
Sadhvi Pragya became a sanyasin in January 2007 and was living in a Jabalpur ashram when the Maharashtra ATS called her for interrogation in October 2008 as a vehicle that belonged to her was allegedly involved in the September 29 Malegaon explosion. After she said she had sold it to one Sunil Joshi in October 2004, and the police discovered the latter had been murdered in 2007, matters should have ended there.
Instead, Sadhvi Pragya was illegally detained and interrogated for 13 days from October 10 to 23, with no woman constable ever present. She was beaten by police officers, who also assaulted her disciple, Bhimbhai Pasricha, when he refused to physically abuse her. She was subjected to obscene language and psychological torture, and felt depressed enough to contemplate committing suicide. She was moved from place to place, including being lodged in a hotel, again without women constables. The ill-treatment necessitated hospitalisation for nearly six days, after which she was formally arrested on October 23.
Details of Sadhvi Pragya’s narco-analysis and polygraph tests are well known. It is pertinent that a supplementary interrogation technique — used to cover missing links in criminal cases like the Telgi stamp paper scam — was used as a primary tool of investigation, repeatedly, even though it failed to unveil any hint of crime.
This suggests misuse of the ATS by its political masters. A narco-analysis of Swami Dayanand Pande last Friday caused him to lose his senses; he regained consciousness only after eight hours! It is pertinent that media photographs have revealed that both religious persons arrested in this case have been forced to wear civilian clothes during custody, a terrible abomination and a religious insult that should be actionable under Section 495-A of the IPC.
Sadhvi Pragya has rightly asked that narco-analysis and polygraph tests be conducted on the ATS officers who handled her detention and interrogation to unravel the truth about those who masterminded the conspiracy behind her arrest, and that of others, destroying lives and reputations in a disgraceful attempt to equate ‘Hindu terror’ with jihad.
Indeed, the story was so malleable that when the Samjhauta-to-Malegaon plot began to collapse under the weight of its own contradictions, the scriptwriters twisted it to incorporate a plot to kill top RSS leaders, most notably general secretary Mohanrao Bhagwat. VHP leader Pravin Togadia has rightly said the Maharashtra ATS deserves the Man Booker for its narrative! Seriously, however, the Malegaon accused could have plotted to kill either innocent Muslims or Hindus; not both. Hence, this is clearly a witch-hunt.
In this context, it may be pertinent to know if Lt Col Purohit, during his tenure in Military Intelligence in Jammu & Kashmir, had submitted information that impacted adversely upon the ruling party’s political vote-bank, or hurt some other political interests of the powers-that-be. Certainly, the sudden decision to invoke MCOCA even when no credible prima facie case could be established against the accused suggests that there is a desire to hold them in custody at all costs, at least until the current round of Assembly elections, and possibly also the general election, are over.
The Congress-dominated regime’s decision to use MCOCA is invidious also because the UPA at the Centre revoked POTA on the plea that existing laws are adequate to tackle terrorism, and more stringent measures are not needed, either at the Central level, or in States like Gujarat, where the police have a good record of unearthing crime. The known terrorist Abu Salem, extradited from Portugal, was removed from MCOCA coverage by a generous State Government, though spiritual leaders and Army officers are being subjected to hideous defamation by selective media leaks.
Some of the purported evidence is truly extraordinary. Photographs of women have allegedly been found in the swami’s computer, and one is at a loss to connect them to the Malegaon bomb blast. There are audio recordings of mobile phone conversations that could mean anything, as the word ‘bomb’ or ‘blast’ is never used; and there is a witness who has heard both sides of a telephone conversation! Photographs of public functions where media was present are being projected as evidence of a private conspiracy, and overall, the investigation is degenerating into a travesty of justice. It is time to call a halt to the farce.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/136639/Time-to-halt-this-farce.html
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While ATS was busy framing the Sadhvi and the Lt.Col…
While the CONgress was busy shouting from the roof top that hindus are terrorists too…
While Lalu yadav and his gang were accusing L K Advani to be a terrorist himself…
While the secularists were busy patting themselves on the back for the breakthrough in the Malegaon case…
Terrorists struck Mumbai….
claimed more than hundred innocent lives…
killed the ATS chief and couple of other high ranking police officers..
razed to dust the reputation of our country as a safe place….
But…
Secularists will claim that this is an act of terror perpetrated by hindutvavaadis…
Home minister will change his attire between TV interviews and proclaim that Congress is not soft on terror…
ATS will still hunt for the imaginary terrorists amongst the army men..
Lalu & his gang will mouth inanities like Advani is a terrorist….
AND most important of all….
SIMPLE will come online and spew data on how Congress is punishing the terrorists…
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IMPORTANT QUESTION
The Malegoan bomb blast, whoever is behind it, was targeted at SIMI who are perceived to be terrorists and not at innocent people, innocent muslims or otherwise.
Now, the important question is – do you consider the Malegaon case a non-government counter war on terrorism? Or another brand of terrorism?
If the target is not innocent people (of any religion), then the Malegaon blast should appropriately be called war on terrorism, carried out by non-government people and it should not be called terrorism. And the solution to avoid occurrence of such incidents is for the government to tackle terrorism in an effective manner instead of soft-peddling it.
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Confused Communalist cum Communist alias Chintaka
Whenever any crime is committed, there are numerous people involved. But evey person has varying degrees of involvement. Depending on this varying degrees, different types of punishment is meted out to each and ever person.
aLL OF THEM NEVER GET THE SAME PUNISHEMET.
Which is why the supreme court decided that nalini would get life imprisonment. Who am i to question the judge?: congress party has no role in decidign nalinins imprisonment. and till today, sonia has never ever asked for nailins pardon.
nalini has duly served her sentence , LEGALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY.
Congress ELIMINATED TERRORISM IN PUNJAB. NO OTHER PARTY IN INDIA HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IN ELIMINATING TERRORISM.
NO OTHER PARTY LEADER HAS DIED BECAUSE OF TERRORIST ACTIVITES EXCEPT CONGRESS LEADERS FROM BEANT SINGH TO RAJEEV TO INDIRA.
LOOK AT THE IRONY, CONGRESS SUFFERS THE MAXIMUM, CONGRESS KILLS EXTREMISM IN PUNJAB, YET YOU GUYS HAVE THIS HOLLOW SHRILL VOICE AGAINST CONGRESS BEING SOFT ON TERROR.
WHAT DID bjp DO? IT BENT BACKWARDS TO RELEASE TERRORISTS…TAHT IS WEAK, AND SOFT..LOOK AT CONGRESS TODAY, THEY HAVE REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS…
THAT IS TRULY FIRM AND PATRIOTIC…..NO DEALINGS NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH TERRORISTS. BJP SHOULD LEARN FROM THIS NATIONALISITC STAND OF CONGRESS
THE STAR OF BJP, THE cm OF GUJARAT HAD DARED TERRORISTS TO STEP INTO GUJARAT BECAUSE HE WAS A TOUGH GUY AND NO TERRORIST WOULD DARE ENTER GUJARAT.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TWO MONTHS BACK.
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Atta Boy Simple…. You are back… sort of missing your comments.. events of the last two days had sort of made me depressed…
Shivraj Patil was missing in action… manish tiwari was not there to entertain us with his inanities.. and you too were missing….no cheering up at all….
You came, you posted, I read, I laughed… good.
Nalini was given capital punishment, which was later turned into life imprisonment because Saint Sonia decreed so… got it??? Not a thought was spared for the other victims who died with Rajeev Gandhi…Then how does it matter.. there are many in this country who wag their tails in front of Italian madam, waiting to pick up the crumbs she throws….
Congress and suffering?? Now you know why you make me laugh??? Precisely because of this…
Punjab was created by Indira.. she got killed by the very same terrorists..
Rajeev tried to finger LTTE, got killed by them…
Where is sacrifice in this???????????
Oh your old name WrongFacts… You Simply should revert to that….
By the way, thanks for making me smile… needed that after all the depressing news….
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Back to your silly childish innane logic
indira never told punjabis to become terrorists…what a silly argument. indira gandhi never told them to kill innocent people….when they started killing innocents, congress got terrorism eliminated….
Rajeev too was tough. he took a strong action against LTTE….if you act against terrorist..you call that fingering? what an absurd thought….
Hello, Sonia is nobody to turn into life impriosonment..this is just a canard spread by you.
Sonia holds no constitutional office..how can she pardon nalini? what a sick statement.
Congress WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIRST…
1. THEY CONDUCTED OPERATION BLUESTAR
2. THE ELIMINATED PUNJAB TERRORISM
3. THEY SENT INDIAN ARMY AGAINST LTTE
4. THEY GOT 100S OF TERRORISTS CAPITAL AND LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN MUMBAI BLASTS
5. THEY GOT 100S OF TERRORISTS CAPITAL AND LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN COIMBATORE BLASTS.
6. SEVERAL CONGRESS LEADERS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY TERRORISTS. BECAUSE TERRORISTS ARE ENEMIES OF CONGRESS. TERRORISTS DO NOT LIKE CONGRESSS BECAUSE THEY FEEL CONGRESS IS TOO HARSH ON THEM.
CONTRAST THIS WITH WHAT BJP DID
1. WITH THEIR SOFT APPROACH, THEY NEGOTIATED WITH THE TERRORISTS..AND LET THEM GO SCOT FREE.
2. BECAUSE HINDUS ARE SOFT TARGETS, MODI ANNOUNCED DEMOLITION OF 200 TEMPLES IN GUJARAT. NOT A SINGLE MOSQUE OR CHURCH WAS TOUCHED. VHP HAS CALLED HIM AURANGZEB
3, JINNAH IS REPEATEDLY PRAISED AT EVERY PODIUM BY THE PRIME MINISTER IN WAITING.
NOT JUST THESE THREE INSTANCES, THEERE AER HUNDREDS OF INSTANCES WHERE BJP IS OUT CLEARLY TO APPEASE MINORITIES…YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON’T SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL, YOU IGNORE RIGHT FACTS AND STICK TO WRONG FACTS PERPETUATED BY BJP…
SHAME!
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