SUJATA RAJPAL writes: First acceptance and then rejection, this is what the Pakistan mantra is all about.
It has become a habit with Pakistan to first make false promises just to ease the tension and calm the world and then, later, to take a full U-turn and go into absolute denial.
After the attack on Bombay, it is clear as pikewater that Pakistan is a terrorist state. It is not only harbouring terrorists but blatantly encouraging terrorism.
It is not a partner in the War on Terror, it is a perpetrator.
Yet….
Yet, Pakistan constantly denies its links with terrorists and wants the world to believe.
After first announcing that it had arrested LeT spokesman Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, banned the Jamaat-ud-Dawa and put Masood Azhar under house arrest, it now declares that Azhar is not in its custody. And it claims the terrorist captured in Bombay, Ajmal Kasab, is not a national of Pakistan though Kasab’s father has publically accepted that Kasab is his son.
Does the world need a better proof than this that Pakistan is unwilling to cooperate?
How to make Pakistan act?
Making repeated requests/ threats, dialogues, or sending envoys won’t do.
War?
Nope, keeping in mind that both India and Pakistan are nuclear states, this option should not be considered even as a last resort. And has war ever solved any problems? It will only aggravate the tension and bring more destruction and the repercussions will be felt globally.
The problem has gone out of hand and is much beyond India’s control. The entire world needs to join hands to curb terrorism from its roots.
It is not sufficient to declare Pakistan a terrorist state. Here’s what should be done: the comity of nations, in other words, all countries should snap all ties with Pakistan—trade , cultural, films, sports, diplomatic or whatever. All kinds of ties.
No air links with Pakistan, no train services, no bus services, no imports , no exports. Let’s see for how many days Pakistan can survive in isolation.
Yes, the people of Pakistan will suffer but are they any better off with Pakistan being declared as a terrorist state?
This should be done by all the countries concerned about eradicating terrorism and not just by India alone as terrorism is a global issue and has gone much beyond India Pakistan Kashmir issue. Let Pakistan keep Kashmir if that ends the problem. Anyway what is left of Kashmir?
Snap all ties with Pakistan, as it is said the worst punishment is isolation.
Boycott Pakistan as if it doesn’t exist.
Also read: Eight reasons why we should let Pakistan go
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Blockade Karachi. Cut off their oil supplies and trade with the rest of the world.
Unilaterally withdraw from the water-sharing agreements.
Convince the US to stop trying to use Pakistan as a base for its anti-terror activities.
Send more troops to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban.
But first,
Prosecute Shivraj Patil for treason
Withdraw Z class security for all elected members of Parliament and any holder of elected office.
Even from 5.5 time zones away, one can sense a giant stirring angrily from its slumber. It is time to make them pay.
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There are some countries who support terrorism as a state policy. One of them we know is Pakistan. The other ones are Saudi Arabia and China and they have oil, arms, technology and cash and they will never let Pakistan down. The Saudis and Chinese will keep Pakistan afloat.
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No air links with Pakistan, no train services, no bus services, no imports , no exports!!!. Only few citizens on both sides will be affected. I do not think Pakistan cares that much for Indian boycott. Their economy does not depend on India at all and we are not one of their big trading partners. Though trade between neighboring countries helps both of them. They all know that the change that has been seen in India is because of the dirty laundry work that we do for the west and that they have been denied beacuse of unstable democracy and recent terrorism and its waziristan nucleus. They ahve lost their own hundreds of soldiers in that part. Otherwise more or less both the nations face the same problem of unemployment, poverty, education and population. Terrorism is no ones friend and i believe instead of all these firy speeches and words both the governments should sit together and find a solution to this terrorism that harms both the sates equally. The greatest power in world has failed miserably dealing this problem by force and power and we should not commit that mistake. Even a short war is not our interest and will compound the problem.
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So far what I have seen, most articulate view on how to handle this growing menace of terrorism came from Gen. Sankar Roychoudhury in a CNN-IBN talk show.
General asked for an all our war against Pakistan AND Bangladesh (which most people don’t mention) – but not in the style of the Mahabharata, rather in Chankya Fashion.
Don’t call it war- call it by any name- but unleash a full scale Chankya style operation against these. Average people understand the danger, particularly those of us who comes from Eastern India. But first our hypocrit intellectuals, politicians will have to agree to this.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/enough-is-enough-india-must-take-pak-to-task/80514-3.html
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India’s political and diplomatic circles have a habit of attempting to appease Pakistan in the name of peace process, normalisation of relations, playing cricket, inviting ghazal singers and so on. In turn, India has received worse than brickbats – bombs and bullets. I agree with the author that war is not a ready option as was the case in 1965 of 1971 when both the countries were non-nuclear powers. Pakistan should be made to suffer excommunication from the international community. To begin, India should campaign for explusion of Pakistan from UN and Common Wealth, lobby for preventing invitation to Pakistan to participate in international events. India must definitely cut off all physical communication with Pakistan such as train,bus and air. By opening these communications, we have opened flood gates for Jihadis to fearlessly move back and forth between India and Pakistan.
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Before all that, snatch away the access to all kinds of dope (chemical/religious) from people like Abdul Rehman Antulay so that they stop coming up with BS conspiracy theories.
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The least we could do is to deny Islamic burial to foreign terrorists.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/19mumterror-no-islamic-burial-for-mumbai-terrorists.htm
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Do we have any guts, we are still giving the terroist a decent islamic burial,
why not just throw the body to pigs, or at least burn it.
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i think red-China will be more than happy to provide a fillip, if India were ever to initiate a blockade.
The Chinese have interests in projecting their power in-and-around India, as non-confrontationally as possible – and a legitimate reason to aid Pakistan would be – the best thing they could want to strengthen their position against India, in the region.
And the worst thing we could do – since it would not only prove our economic blockade inneffective and embolden Pakistan, but it would be strengthening China’s influence in the region, AND helping Pakistan free itself of the USA’s $$$-influence and restraints.
Already we cannot hope to attack Paksistan in a CONVENTIONAL-war because:
a) Nukes on both sides
b) (I believe) China would open up an eastern front, if we ever went to war against Pakistan
So when the military-option is so weak, do we really need to be screwing ourselves by diluting our economic strength as well.
Perhaps we need to cut economic ties, i don’t know….but these are some thoughts i have, maybe someone more informed can discuss the issue better.
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Nothing will happen folks. The enemy or enemies are not outside the country. The enemies are within – in the form of certain intellectuals, certain politicians. There are hundreds of ways to deal with an outside enemy. How do you deal with the enemy inside?
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China has lot more things to worry about than useless Pakistan. They dont have anymore use for it and dont care what happens there.
We need not do anything about Pakistan, the global economy is taking care of it. We just need bother about ourselves, secure borders, cutdown blackmoney. Pakistan will just starve itself to death.. Never kill a person comitting suicide.
This economic crisis is a blessing in disguise for us.. we just need to use it to our advantage. This can be our great leap forward…
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@Tathagata Mukherjee
So far what I have seen, most articulate view on how to handle this growing menace of terrorism came from Gen. Sankar Roychoudhury in a CNN-IBN talk show.
I beg to differ
The most sensible comment to date is from Shiva Sena leader Bal Thackeray who suggested that we should first deal with mini Pakistans within India before confronting the failed Pakistan state.
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ok…so now lets roll over and die..
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we don’t need enemies when we have ministers like AR antulay. God save India.
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When the govt of india doesn’t have guts to accept the resignation of Ar Antulay can we expect them to boycott pakistan an loose the votes of so called minority ???
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Isolation has never helped and never will. Germany gave birth to Hitler after it was isolated and economically crushed after WWI.
The reason why US is a super power is because of their economic integration with other countries and make them dependant on them. That’s the line that India should take.
Also note that whenever there is a democracy in Pak, the Army gets restless and tries to assert itself by launching attacks against India
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Here is the link to an interesting article that appeared in today’s edition of dawn newspaper.
http://dawn.com/2008/12/21/op.htm#1
We can not rule out the role of RAW/CIA/MOSAD in planning and execution of the plot. Looks like the beginning of destruction/disintegration of Pakistan as a nation thus rendering crippling blow to Islam
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AJR,
Clearly you are late for your lobotomy!
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ajr wah! yen logic maraya!!
first let me get to the interesting part …
you said: [looks like the beginning of destruction/disintegration of Pakistan as a nation thus rendering crippling blow to Islam]
there are many in this world who blame raw/mossad/cia for all sorts of things, including including their own short commings and their inability to measure up to their own khatum(s). As DB suggests, in such cases, lobotomy is well prescribed.
But even then, let us for a second assume that there are actually people who desire destruction of pakistan. And let us also assume that they are motivated enough to actually act on that desire. My question is that necessarily such a bad thing? why is destruction of pakistan a crippling blow to islam? is it because pakistan is officially an “islamic republic”? but so are iran & iraq, and they have fought bloody all-or-nothing wars with each other. Iraq actually used chemical weapons in an annihilate iranians. Perhaps because iranis are mostly shias it does not matter. Perhaps the inferior kurds, who were again slaughtered by Saddam, too don’t matter to arab wannabes.
But lets sick to pakistan, a state which has presided over systematic attack on the shias. All the pakistan is also a victim of terrorism is a hogwash. Most of the mosques that are attacked are shias. And these are attacked when there are actually people praying in them. In FATA/NWFB shias have been systematically targeted. And Pakistan has consistently looked the other way. As recently as late this year, Pakistan tipped off Haqqani & and his cohorts, who have done a good bit of shia slaughtering themselves, before bombing his madarsa. Haqqani and his cohorts, ofcourse happily escaped. But Haqqani’s madarsa was bombed only because of American pressure after Pakistan via Haqqani was caught red-handed bombing the Indian embassy in Kabul.
Attacking diplomats have started world wars. India kept quite. Now, 180 Indians, including 40 muslims were slaughtered by Pakistanis, and mere contemplation of an attack on Pakistan, and we have apologists creeping out of the woodwork and slandering a possible defence as an attack on Islam? How pathetic can it get!!! Wow!! This has to be a new low.
In anycase, I fail to see to see, how a nation that systematically lords over destruction of a good chunk of islamic population is worthy of being called an islamic-nation. I am not even asking for the rights of ‘apostate’ Ahmediyyas, hindus, sikhs and christians in pakistan(who cannot even vote in general elections) . Even Kashmiris don’t govern over their own territory. That country is not even islamic forget being modern country, it is just a Saudi Arabia wahabbi wannabe.
But the rest of us should learn not to expect any better from the mostly mullah led goats- aka wannabe islamists – who even as they shoot from the hip and over the shoulders of the mullahs, are too scared to blow themselves up – a la taqiyya. At atleast if these wannabes blow themselves up they will spare the rest of humanity from the agony of suffering these uncritical and simultaneously hypocritical fools.
The Afghans – the baloch, the pakhtoon and the takijks – may be tribals, but they are sensible, the same cannot be said about the saudis and punjabi wannabes from pakistani punjab, who lord over all affairs of pakistan not to mention apologists for pakistanis world over, including India.
Pakistan will go. Only thing is it has to go on our time and schedule.
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tarlesubba
ps: meanwhile, i am still waiting for L,S & G to respond to my previous query. why exactly are they opposed to bush?
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“fighting terrorism” has by far now become a 10 billion$ business since 2001 for pakistan. So absence of terrorism will be a nightmare for the pakistani establishment.
Bleed India has and will always be their motto unless some strong steps are taken by us. dont expect diplomacy to carry us far on this aspect.
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Nationalist>>The most sensible comment to date is from Shiva Sena leader Bal Thackeray who suggested that we should first deal with mini Pakistans within India before confronting the failed Pakistan state
Taking tough action against homegrown jehadis is a part of a series of things that needs to be done after its proved once again Pakistan will NOT take action against Jehadi terrorists.
We have to make our border impregnable
we have to take tough action against home grown terrorists
We have to fund Baluchis, NWFP to bleed Pakistan
Cut off economic relation
Cut off diplomatic relationship
Work proactively to destroy Pakistani economy
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Our Muslim Votebank centric politicians don;t think on these lines, because somehow they have a feeling they will loose muslim vote. This has to change NOW, as average Muslims are as good/bad as rest of us.
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More than anything else lets first question how Pak came into being. It was just a machination among the British and Muslims with which some others concurred, nothing legal or a referendum – overwhelming majority would have voted No to partition.
Why not hold a referendum, having seen the kind of neighbors from hell they have become. Lets take the votes of all the Muslims in India, they are, of course, more in numbers than in Pakistan, if the majority vote for Pak then they should move across to it.
Otherwise Pak will be welcome back to Mother India, we can easily join-up the umbilical cord and the nasha of India will give a wholesome life.
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“After the attack on Bombay, it is clear as pikewater that Pakistan is a terrorist state.”
Back that up son,i don’t beleive in lies
“After the indian products and supplies found in Taliban Hideouts,it is clear as pisswater that India is a terrorist state.”
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PAK-PATRIOT:
Brainwashed Paki, read neutral reports from the BBC, CNN, Guardian, etc. etc. A failed terrorist state like Pakistan cannot be expected to have an unbiased media – that is pretty obvious. Go to neutral sources if you don’t believe what Indian sources say. You will find, to your utter shock, that those neutral sources say precisely the same things about your apology of a country, that we Indians have been saying for decades.
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Further to the discussions we’ve had on this page about Pakistan’s imminent failure, here’s something interesting with regard to the Baloch freedom movement in Pakistan. This video shows what Balochis think of their Pakistani masters:
“Pakistan ka matlab kya:lund pe chade humara kya” shout Baloch Freedom Fighters:
:D
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With confirmation that Osama Bin Laden was found to be living comfortably in Pakistan, it is inconceivable that Pakistani intelligence, both civl and military, could have been unaware of the fact. The world needs to turn its back on this country until it cleans house, and those who played any part in harboring this monster are deposed or dead.
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