The impromptu endorsement of Narendra Damodar Modi as the Next Prime Minister of India by the chieftains of two major cellphone companies—Anil Ambani of Reliance Communications, and Sunil Mittal of Airtel—on top of a similar endorsement by Ratan Tata, who too has a cellphone company in his bouquet, has sparked a novel protest form.
The call to switch off your cellphones and observe Friday, 30 January 2009 as “Cellular Silence Day”.
The following open letter accompanies an online signature petition.
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Dear Messrs Ratan Tata, Sunil Mittal and Anil Ambani
I am one of a billion Indian citizens.
I am somewhere in the middle of that pyramid that you wish to give voice—from bottom to top—through wealth creation.
I am proud of the brands you represent that have made India proud.
I am one of the burgeoning Indian middle-class that share your aspirations of mutating India from indolent elephant to thundering tiger.
It ends there…
I have hitherto been accused of being indifferent and apathetic, simply because I am overawed and felt overwhelmed in a system replete with Goliaths.
But when I saw you embrace the fascist mastermind of state sponsored genocide as a future Prime Minister and endorse the Modi-fication of India, it was disappointingly apparent that the brands that aspire to make India rich shall continue to languish in ethical poverty.
While I am filled with revulsion at your endorsement of Narendra Modi, I must respect your right to do so as a fellow citizen.
In writing this petition I am a mere David amongst the mightiest corporate Goliaths but I feel empowered to address your collective amnesia—through recollection of the Gujarat pogrom of 2002—by the true Goliath among Gujaratis in particular and Indians in general, Mohandas Gandhi.
All those who sign this petition will switch off their Tata Indicomm, Airtel and Reliance cellular phone and broadband connections from midnight on 30 January 2009.
It is eminently possible that I might be the one voice in a billion who will observe the 61st death anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi on as Cellular Silence Day.
Then again, there might be close to a billion who could join me on 30 January 2009 expressing their solidarity and silently insisting that the captains of India Inc adopt an ethical, compassionate path to wealth creation rather than the single-minded pursuit of the bottomline.
We shall know that by the end of 30th January, 2009.
Sincerely
A David among corporate Goliaths
Sign the petition here: PetitionOnline.com/30JAN09/petition.html
Also read: CHURUMURI POLL: Good for them = Good for us?
churumuri 
In these times of recession, an “honoroable” way to save money by switching off the cellphones!!
Would the petitioner show the same spine to protest against the cries of Lalu, Mulayam, Tytler, YSR and co?
Anyway, we respect your right to switch off your cellphone!
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…… of the bottomline.
We shall know that by the end of 30th January, 2009.
Sincerely
S/d by
All India Pseudo Secularists
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@yella good point… Only thing is the names you have mentioned dont own telcos… Not directly at least…
Plus they are ‘sickular’
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bull crap. oh if Ratan Tata, Sunil Mittal and Anil Ambani had praised sonia maino then the david among goliaths would not have come out. chickens.
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Great !!! Luv the idea!!!
Instead of Jan 30 – why not the whole year???!!!!
Saves the nation a whole lot of useless chatter.
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Insult to both Gandhi and Modi really.
For one:
Gandhi’s protests were not an exercise in symbolism and convenience as this one so obviously is. Protest for Gandhi was a two way thing; improve self and make the enemy see reason. The first part has of course been conveniently forgotten by most of our netas and evidently this “gandhian”.
If this “david” is really concerned abt the Tatas/Airtel/Reliance endorsing Modi, then he/she will boycott all the goods of these companies for all time/until they change their position. This little “turning off the phone” is pathetic and not worthy of being associated with Gandhi.
Secondly:
What exactly is the charge against Modi here?
1. Is it negligence? Failing to do one’s duty to protect Muslims? In that case isn’t the Congress Party which oversaw the Babri riots equally guilty?
2. Is it malfeasance? Actively encouraging the genocide? In that case wouldn’t Rajiv Gandhi also be guilty of the same circa 1984?
3. Is it reckless endangerment? Doing or saying things that might encourage Bajrang Dal or other groups to engage in violence against the Muslim community in Gujarat? and doesn’t every Indian politician engage in such rhetoric be it against “manuwadis”, “Tamilians”, “Up-Bihar” etc. ?
The point is not to justify or condone the incidents in Gujarat 2002. If Modi is tried in court he might well be found guilty, and we are not debating that here.
The appeal here is specifically moral. And when one is talking morals one expects some level of consistency or uniformity in the application of moral values.
Why the rabid anger Modi inspires does not manifest when Lalu/Mulayam yadav shamelessly campaign in Muslim areas with an Osama-look-alike is beyond me.
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Why are these guys calling Gandhi a Goliath ?Wasnt Goliath a giant who was felled and david who energed the true hero !!!
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I think i’ll keep my phone ON all day.
Moreover, I admire Godse, so..
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All parties have the dubious reputation of participating in some form of genocide or atrocity. Congress – Sikh Riots, BJP – muslim riots. The rest play caste politics. The number of murders committed due to caste politics is unbelievable.
What you need to give to Modi is that he is a selfless and very able administrator and the country needs it.
I’ll vote for BJP if it’s Modi
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totally agree with yeno ondu and Alok. This is a stupid try to campaign and I do not support this.
I see no reason to do so. In case one should consider ‘david’s points to be valid, many points can be given for each of his take.
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Palahalli,
How abt one way tickets to your fantasy wonderland gujarat? let also thrown in potraits of godse ..
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I like Narendra and Support him on his works ,I had been to Gujarat and talked with people over there.
It is not good to say all good things baout him as there is one incident where he kept silent.
But I see corrupt Cong as a Mole of this Country
I do support BJP than sucking Congress .
Phone ON all year
regards
Satish K
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Why did these ‘secular’ intelectuals not raise their voice ahainst the Jagdish tytlers and HKL Bhagats? When this point was being discussed on a TV show, the Congress person was opposing Modi as PM because -Modi cannot set foot in USA! Visa to visit US is a prerequisite for becoming PM? Why do we condemn all leaders of business who are making money and also providing jobs to thousands as anti everything that is good for the country?
A man who can change the face of Gujarat can really change the face of India.
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Fully support! Will switch off my phone for the rest of the year. Modi and Advani are criminals!
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When Salman Rushdie came to Mumbai, a group of Islamic facists, gave call to boycott products of Godrej.
Does Industrialists , Godrej hav free speech or not?
Those who belong to 7th century arabia don;t need cell phone. Let them show their name and address- Indian law will soon catch up. And public will know who they are.
Shame that CHurumuri is promoting these anti-Indian groups.
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bendakaluru – Of course! But why one-way? After all, we are confident Modi will rule all of India..
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One doubt: what if I have a Vodafone connection :-)
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hahahaha…hilarious, how exactly will ppl turnign off their cell phones for one day change anything, knowing our mentalities, turning off the cell phone for a day will be like taking a holiday…we will either make breaks during this “holiday” to check on how things with work are, or we will work overtime for the entire next month in an attempt to make up for that one day we lost.
Either which way, its a lost cause! And pardon my arrogance, but i think there were a lot more ppl involved in securing India’s freedom than just M K Gandhi; SO u will have to pardon my choice of refusing to accept Gandhi’s principles of non violence all the time and NO, i definitely do not subscribe to the idea of him being the father of our nation!
Its so annoying that Gandhi and his non-violent principles are just an excuse for not doing anything!!!CRAP!!!
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I wonder if the author of the article had ever been to Gujarat. Having annually visited different parts of Gujarat for over two decades, i can tell with quite certainty the great strides that state has made compared to our kannada naadu.
If our Mannina Maga can be PM and doze through cabinet meetings, we need someone who can electrify our billion strong nation. Lets give him a try and see if he can do to India what he did to his state!!
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http://www.flyyoufools.com/international-useless-day/
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Palahalli,
Sorry for the late notice,change in reservations.You are going to the taliban ruled land. A trace of your origins indicate you came from thr along with ur sicko aryan brethren.you squabbled, back stabbed and sold your self to muslim and anglo invaders and now act like you r some kind of victim now. Now you hide behind and look for cheap fun with cowardly nonsense of spewing venom on few good people .
Its going to be a rough ride ,u r booked on a donkey.
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It would be foolish to turn off my cell…damn…Modi is good PM Material…better then the current one…when he will be PM atleas we will be sure he aint taking orders from someone…
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Nice Joke!
Jokes apart…. Bullshit! Crap!
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boycott movies of bacchan family and sanjay dutt. they r related to party of crooks.
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Every person, even great ones, have feet of clay. Of Gandhi here’s what another great person of his times had to say,
Mr. Gandhi has been very punctilious in the matter of condemning any and every act of violence and has forced the Congress, much against its will to condemn it. But Mr. Gandhi has never protested against such murders. Not only have the Musalmans not condemned/10/ these outrages but even Mr. Gandhi has never called upon the leading Muslims to condemn them. He has kept silent over them. Such an attitude can be explained only on the ground that Mr. Gandhi was anxious to preserve Hindu-Moslem unity and did not mind the murders of a few Hindus, if it could be achieved by sacrificing their lives.
This attitude to excuse the Muslims any wrong, lest it should injure the cause of unity, is well illustrated by what Mr. Gandhi had to say in the matter of the Mopla riots.
The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of “congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion.” Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Moslem unity. But Mr. Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Moslem unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Moplas as the “brave God-fearing Moplas who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious.” Since you can use a web search to find out who wrote this, how about posters here answering my question. Modi is persona-non-grata in the US and UK as of now. He has visited China – a power tha matters; Israel – a beacon of progress and democracy in a region of bigoted darkness, and Australia – where jihadists call unveiled women uncovered meat, and are demanding that beaches prohibit sunbathing once a week so as to make them halaal for Muslims! It seems there are some countries that find Modi OK. And besides he is democratically elected, right?
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lol!! Indians irrespective where they come from need people who decide for them. Indians are slaves and remain so in the forseeable time.
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Nonsense, I dont see any reason to subscribe to the call. Why? are there no place for Mr.Modi in India according to these secularists? These commies are criminals. I prefer a person who is arrogant but deliver the goods as a leader than a inept person as a PM dancing to the tunes of Shibus, Lalus, Amarsinghs, Karats in an Italian Opera.
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So Whatz wrong ?
Congress Institutionalized Corruption and Dynasty Politics. I would not like recycled waste being thrown at us from their family dustbin.
Go GA GA over MODI. MODI is definitely a PM material.
The post of PM has been undermined by some week kneed politicians in our country in the recent times.
Country gets bombed…attacked ….but we are thick skinned to handle it… That is the current breed of PM.
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The problem is people in Gujarat and elsewhere are ready to accept Narendra Modi. But the media continues to suffer from Modi phobia. I wonder why the media is so scared of him! Is it Guilty conscience?, Inferiority complex? Biased?, Frustration? or simply timepassing?!!
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I will not visit churumuri on Jan 30.
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Bullshit Campaign and why is Churumuri falling for it?
Ask Arundhati Roy. Her one signature is a campaign by itself!
Run away from Truth, how Communists do! Abdulla Kutty is out of CPIM for mentioning Modi’s good work!
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I got a similar mail, this one was sent by a person named Ranjan Kamath. This is the reply I had sent to this joker, thought I will share this with the Churumuri Friends.
Dear Ranjan,
I am one of a billion Indian citizens.
I am right in the middle of the pyramid which is gaining force, through sheer hard work, innovation and imagination.
I am proud of the brands that this country has given through the companies like Tatas, Reliance and Airtel.
I am one of the burgeoning Indian middle-class that share aspirations of mutating India from indolent elephant to thundering tiger.
It ends there…
I have hitherto been accused of being indifferent and apathetic, simply because I am overawed and felt overwhelmed in a system replete with frauds like you…
But when I saw your mail embracing the sickularist fraud perpetrated by the so called intellectuals and leftists, I thought it is high time that someone should raise a voice against this nonsense.
You call Gujarat 2002 the fascist mastermind of state sponsored genocide. A lot of people have called that. Therefore there is nothing new in your allegations. But….
After 6 years and a few months, after two general elections in the state, after countless cases which have been decided in the courts or pending there, after a zillion petitions against Modi by people like you…till date no court has ever pointed out that Modi was responsible for the killings. And people with blinkers on will conveniently forget the incident which preceded the Gujarat riots. There is a term which is apt to be used in cases like this. The movie Ghajini has made this term very famous, very popular.
SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS.
What we need today is a tough talking person and more importantly one who is willing to walk the talk, as a future Prime Minister and it is in this context, I and millions like me, endorse the Modi-fication of India. It has always been disappointingly apparent that there exists a set of blinker eyes in this country whose only aspiration is to pull down all the good done by an individual based on what they percieve to be right. You call it ethical poverty. I prefer to label you as the ones who are impoverished intelectually.
While I am filled with revulsion at your hate Narendra Modi campaign, I must respect your right to do so as a fellow citizen.
In writing this mail to you I am a mere David amongst the Goliaths of the NGOs whose only source of bread and butter happens to be this campaign against Modi. But I feel empowered to address your collective amnesia – SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS – through recollection of the progress Gujarat has achieved, the peace that exists in that state, the propserity people have achieved int hat state, since 2002.
(And to think that a Left MP today lauded the work of Modi speaks tons about this phenomenon)
I am not in a position to start an online petition like you have done. But let me assure you, there are millions and millions like me who welcome this notion of Modi becoming our Prime Minister with open arms.
It is eminently possible that I might be the one voice in a billion who will observe the 61st death anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi as the beginning of a new India which will become a dominant player in global economy.
Then again, there might be close to a billion who could join me on January 30th, 2009 expressing their solidarity and silently insisting that the captains of India Inc are right in asking Modi to be the PM of this country rather than the single-minded pursuit of vilification of one person on the basis of SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS of the NGOs, Sickularists and so called intellectuals.
We shall know that in the near future.
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@Tathagatha,
I second you on this.
Where were all this fanatics when Taslima is beaten up by MLA Goons in Hyderabad?
Where were all this fanatics when YSR government choose to ignore the case on that Goon MLA?
Where were all this fanatics when the same goon MLA opened fired in air and threatened people in Hyderabad?
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What a stupid idea, sir-ji!
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At first I thought that this protest is because if Modi is Prime Minister candidate then Advani will be duped, but on reading I came to know that the petitioner is a follower of the ‘buddhijeevi’ clan of India.
I will ensure I will keep my mobile completely, 24 Hrs ‘ON’ on 30th Jan.
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bendakaluru says-
“Sorry for the late notice,change in reservations.You are going to the taliban ruled land. A trace of your origins indicate you came from thr along with ur sicko aryan brethren.you squabbled, back stabbed and sold your self to muslim and anglo invaders and now act like you r some kind of victim now. Now you hide behind and look for cheap fun with cowardly nonsense of spewing venom on few good people .”
– Rs 500/- to anybody who can decipher this code ;)
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No.. Certainly not… Modi is indeed a great asset of the nation. He will become PM one day.
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Strange ideas, indeed! Why select 30th January, Sarvodaya Day? Both Mahatma Gandhi and Narendra Modi come from the same State. If yu sdon’t have business nobody bothers you with the mobile ofr landlines. Live as yu like.
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Instead of waging a ‘secular jihad’…the correct working title of this column should have been “Come and switch off your brain with me please!”
Signed
Secular David among Real Corporate Goliaths
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Surely Modi is the way to go. We badly need someone who has the guts to call a spade spade in this country.
If one would look at Rahul babas parliamentary performance, you will be shocked. And people who are generally off the media like Dushyant singh, have shown great progress.
Now pakistan wants malegoan blasts accused to be extradited. Thanks to our present government and its goof ups. I dunno why these people dont launch campaigns against such pseudos??
I am gonna keep my cell fone on. :)
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I plan to purchase a second Airtel connection on 30-Jan…….
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It is ironic.
Every time, we call ourselves a nation of freedom to express thoughts.
But at the same time, people only want to listen what they want to, and if some one talks different, they remember the right to protest.
If Anil, Sunil and Ratan have some thoughts of their own, why not leave it there? After all they have a right to express. If you are not interested, when there is a time when your opinion is asked(Election time), you tell your opinion.
I donot understand why people are dead against Narendra Modi. The so called “secularists” should also try to understand that Modi bashing alone is not true secularism.
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I have a Vodafone! Not applicable.
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@nilagriva… LOL super comment dude.
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The very fact that this has come in Churumuri means it is destined to fail !!
Remember Churumuri and its writers’ failed campaigns against Modi before Dec 07 elections, against BJP in Karnataka (Apr 08), against Jammu people during Amarnath row (BJP won 11 seats in Jammu).
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Read the comments in the petition. There are more supporters of Modi than against amongst the petition signatories.
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Certainly not………….coz mine is BSNL.
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I work in telemarketing and I usually do 100 cold calls everyday from my Airtel mobile. I am planning to double my phone usage on Jan 30 to protest against fuedalism and psuedosecularism. Long live democracy and long live capitalism
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this is a pro-modi plant. a reverse PR ploy to make him a greater hero. god bless churumuri and its right wing ways.
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@ Nilesh and Nilagriva:
Your comments were extemely funny.LOL :)
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I am going to keep my Reliance phone buzzing on Jan 30. Will also prefer calling my other friends with Airtel and Tata. No way I am going to switch of. Long live Modi.
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Around 400 Hindu lives were lost in Gujarat 2002 riots.
Gujarat adminstration failed to protect the lives of Hindus.
I wonder how such a leader can be called strong.
Helplessly his admistration watched when hundreds of Hindus (and Muslims ) killed in communal riots.
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This is such a pointless campaign. So what if people switch off their cell phones for sometime on January 30. Do the people who started this campaign think that by doing so there will be some drastic change. How does it affect Modi or Tatas or Ambanis or Sunil Mittal? It does not matter to them at all. All this is going to achieve is that a small set of people will not be using cell phones for sometime, thats all. is this something for which we have to sign up on petitiononline and feel happy about. I dont think so. This is just a way for the so called high class society people, especially the IT folks, to flaunt their literacy and also be a part of a “revolution”.
Another thing I want to point out is how futile these online petitions are. This is not the first one and will probably not be the last one. But so far such online petitions have not initiated any actions and it is just a waste of time. This is just a gutless way to protest, as there is no fear of being caught. And please dont tell me that this is non violence, this is an insult to the non violence which Mahatma Gandhi showed us. On top of all this, the site petitiononline.com makes a ton of money. They probably get paid by some ISP for every click on their site. So the actual suckers in this are the people who sign the petitions.
If somebody really wants to make a difference, then go and vote in the coming elections. I am sure that more than 90% of the people who sign up for these things have never even gone to vote. That’s the way to make a difference, not some dumb, meek online petition.
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@bendakaluru,
Why dont you go to your 4th century fantasy wonderland : GAZA
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“Truth” now “indicts” Modi for standing by when Hindus were getting killed. My own “inner voice” tells me this “Truth” is none other than my dear friend “Simple” :) Or..his devotee..
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“Then again, there might be close to a billion who could join me on 30 January 2009 expressing their solidarity …”
I am not sure if this self-styled David realizes that he might be unwittingly paying these companies a compliment. By the best estimates India’s cell phones users number about 250 million.
The above mentioned telecomm companies are not likely to have more than a 50% market share even if they were combined. If this David expects these companies to have close to a billion subscribers they would welcome it wholeheartedly as this would be beyond their widest expectations.
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The petitioner should really let go of his hate its not good.Anyways I’m planning to recharge my cellphone and update my current airtel broadband plan on jan.30th.
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THIS POST IS SPONSORED BY
VODAFONE/ BSNL !
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Btw, the secularists conveniently overlooked the following news item:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Ahmedabad/Brother_judge_disagrees_with_Justice_Katjus_view/articleshow/3970080.cms
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http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25423&issueid=89§ionid=21&Itemid=1
Narendra Modi’s meltdown cure
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VYoma>>Read the comments in the petition. There are more supporters of Modi than against amongst the petition signatories.
hehe..very true. Till yesterday, people were allowed to post their message freely. As there were more messages supporting Modi, condemning these people, they have now changed it- messages need to be approved prior to its post.
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Folks- this is not just opposing Modi by some assorted Islamists, psuedo secular fundoos.
What is being proposed is extremely dangerous- its hitting Indian capitalism, corporations, Indian state.
Few years back when there was talk of Modi visiting UK (which he did not undertake eventually), there were placards in a London protest by Islamists that read- Multinational Companies must stop investing in Gujarat.
As we know, Gujarat is #1 industrialized state in India and as such much of India’s eonomic, military might flows from the barrels of Gujarat. By targetting iconic Indian multinational corporations, these people are DIRECTLY targetting Indianc Inc and thus Indian state. All must unite and oppose these people.
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I do switch off my mobile on january 30 from 0001hrs to 2400 hrs in protest against the illogical and selfish statements of teh so called business leaders.
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Bengaluru manjanna – Why are they illogical? I can understand “selfish”, but why illogical?
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If you see today’s Times of India, 61% have voted in favour of Narendra Modi in Indiatimes poll. It is quite a sizeable majority. Let us see whether Churumuri would be ready to conduct a poll and then give its opinion.
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Palahalli
You are a self confessed admirer of Godse.
Godse killed Gandhi because Godse’s world view was very different from Gandhi’s.
To kill somebody because he does not agree with you is sign of a sick mind.
If you admire Godse, it means you will not hestitate to kill a person who disagrees with you.
You cannot reason with such ‘sick’ people. No amount of ‘evidence’ or ‘facts’ will convince such a sick person.
Which means there is no point debating with you Palahalli because you are beyond reason.
Like the terrorists who take up the gun. These terrorists are beyond reason. They are so deeply brainwashed that they become blind to reason.
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Gujarat is an industrialised state does not mean it is ahead in all industries.
This is popcorn myth.
Internationally, Bangalore is more famous than Gujarat.
Bangalore is way ahead in Information Technology.
Bangalore is way ahead in Bio Technology.
Bangalore is way ahead in Science related fields.
Bangalore is way ahead in hospitality industy.
Bangalore is way ahead in health industry. Foreigners flock to bangalore for treatment.
Bangalore is way ahead in Education.
Bangalore provides jobs for thousands of people from across India.
Bangalore’s image is that of a vibrant, friendly cosmopolitan city.
Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat in several socio-economic indicators.
Yet we never hear Modi talking about a ‘Karnataka’ model of government. While our CM constantly talks about a ‘Gujarat’ model of Govt.
And Bangalore has become what it is today because of Cong and JDS. They faciliated IT in Bangalore. Like Modi is favouring rich industrialists in Gujarat.
While Modi cleverly marketed his achievements, a not-so-shrewd Congress did nothing to blow their trumphet.
There is so much to crow about for Cong, but strangely cong does not seem to know the good work it has done. As a result, ‘educated’ people fall for the marketing hype of Gujarat.
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Palahalli
I have repeated a 100 times. Here it is 101st time:
BJP has wooed Muslims in more number of instances than Cong.
It is Cong which has given emtpy assurances (by and large), which is why the condition of the average Muslim in India continues to be pathetically way behind the average Hindu.
BJP has actually concretely done things (not just on paper) to appease Muslims. Like hiking Haj subsidy. Like opposing nuclear deal and thereby giving support and courage to fundamentalist muslims in India.Like concretely demolishing temples in Gujarat. Like concretely supporting Abdul Kalam twice as President of India. Like concretely doling out hundreds of crores to Madaras. Like doling out sackfuls to the minority fund in Karnataka.
Semantics. You should be careful when you use words. I did not say ‘misquote.’ I said ‘interpreted wrongly.’
There is a world of difference between the two.
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great. islam forbids men to use cellphones. lets ban use of cellphones in india. ha ha ha
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I will keep my cellphone running throughout jan 30 and i like to respect the freedom of speech of tata, mittal and ambani. they never enforced their opinion or indians, but just expressed it. the pseudo seculars claim to be supporters of free speech when it is related to mf hussain. why not support freedom of speech of tatas/ambanis/mittal.
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Dear NSSS…tsk tsk…you are simply irrpressible :)
The moment I start supporting Godse’s act of murder, i’ll let you know :)
Modi has made a name for himself as an administrator and a man who inspires confidence, not just in industry but in the common man.
My my….why? Congress must have created heaven itself..no? You are begenning to sound so much like P.N. Oak :)
But ya…all of Congress except dear NSSS hisself does not know how great the Congress is :)) But surely you jest?
Actually..you’re propaganda per Goebbel’s procedure, should have started to work on me..hmm he did say “repeat a lie 100 times….? or was it a bigger figure? Cuz…it ain’t workin on me as yet :(
Maybe after you’re next recording…?
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I thinks its ploy by ISI. They want to know how many people living in India have some kind of soft corner for Pakistan. They will try to contact all those who switched off their phone on 30th to provide local support for next terrorist attack on indian soil.
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If tata, ambani and mittal say that modi shud be pm then its their view. if they say, modi will not become pm overnight. ranjan kamath is jobless and frustrated.
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This is just another instance to show how biased the Indian press is towards Congress/against BJP….!
Well, maybe the editor can provide a few reasons why we should elect Rahul Gandhi rather than Narendra Modi (before we sign the petition)………..and if u want us to believe that Narendra Modi is an evil man, show us the proof!!!!!
Mr. editor, if u trully want to do some social good for Indians through Churmuri, I can give you a few more important topics (for example, do Indians prefer hygeine in their trains to having Wi-Fi connectivity????)
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Simple: Keep on babbling on Modi, BJP, Godse.
Babri is not coming back. The more muslims rally religiously against BJP- its better for Hindutva as it unites Hindus cutting across language, caste, class.
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I will definately use more phone on 30th jan
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Thathaghata
More and more muslims are joining BJP and are voting for BJP increasingly. The polarisation of Muslims vs. HIndus is not happening. Sorry to disappoint you.
Muslims are voting in large numbers for BJP. Around 25% of Muslims voted for BJP in the recent Karnataka assembly polls.
Palahalli
Like I told you, you cannot argue with ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’. So you use words like ‘irreprsible’ and ‘Goebbel’ to throw Churmuri readers off scent.
Did you say i repeat a lie a hundred times? I dare you to tell me, which one of the folllwing i told is a lie?
Is it a lie that Bangalore is more well known internationally than Gujarat?
Is it a lie that Cong and JDS were responsible for Bangalore earning the sobriquet “Silicion City?’
Is it a lie that Bangalore is way ahead in Bio Technology.
Is it a lie that Bangalore is way ahead in Science related fields.
Is it a lie that Bangalore is way ahead in hospitality industy.
Is it a lie that Bangalore is way ahead in health industry. Foreigners flock to bangalore for treatment.
Is it a lie that Bangalore is way ahead in Education.
Is it a lie that Bangalore provides jobs for thousands of people from across India.
Is it a lie that Gujaratis love Bangalore and several thousands of them have settled down in Bangalore?
Is it a lie that thousands of Gujaratis have flourished in Bangalore owing to the wonderful business atmosphere created by Cong all these years?
Is it a lie that Cong created India’s first Hindu nuclear bomb?
I promise more instalments.
And yes, my facts and evidence won’t work on you because:
a) You are beyong reason.
b) You have fallen lock, stock and barell for BJP’s marketing exercise.
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Churumuri should felicitate Modi. For all Articles tagged with Modi, gets highest comments and makes Churumuri popular. It would be good if it returns favor.
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Simple… getting your facts wrong again….dude….
We are talking about Gujarat as a State. You are talking about Bangalore as a city.
For one, Bangalore did not attain its eminence due to Congies or JDS or for that matter the party in power now, BJP. Bangalore grew inspite of all these political parties. Bangalore grew because of the inherent qualities it had.
I can talk to you endlessly how the various political parties could have made Bangalore a world class city and how they have failed to do so. Talk to any average Bengalooriga… you will learn that none of them believe that Government did anything extraordinary for the growth of this city. Infact through their indifferent approach towards this city, it has suffered greatly. One glaring example? The new airport. Another example? The snail’s pace at which various infrastructure projects are getting completed.
Do you remember the time it took to complete the Indiranagar Flyover? Or the Jayadeva Flyover? Or the Richmond Road Flyover? Or the Sirsi Circle Flyover? Or the underpass at Mekhri Circle? The list is endless…
So stop crapping as usual by getting your facts wrong.
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Thank god the percentage of people who voted NO in your poll is more by almost 50%.
Having said that, business men in Nazi Germany were also staunch supporters of Hitler. There is nothing new about it. After all their first interest is business and not people. Same applies to Tatas, Ambanis or Mittals. If Mamatha Bannerjee had allowed Tatas to continue in Singrur she would have been goddess in their eyes. Now she is devil’s incarnation!!! I am not getting into the Pros and cons of that issue here.
Ultimately, Modi is a perpetrator of worst violence against humanity and has to be brought to justice and elevate him. But knowing India and the way things work here it will never happen. Have we punished Congress leaders for Anti Sikh riots, Assam Gana Parishad leaders ( when they were in AASU) for Nellie massacre, Shiv Sena leaders for 93 riots in Mumbai?
Again it is the typical middle class attitude we are seeing here since we are not affected in any way. Good a governance means taking care of every section of society. Has anyone seen the condition of the transit camps run for the people displaced after riots in Gujarat? Has Ambanis or Tatas or Mittals gone to these places before praising Modi?
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Chintaka,
Bangalore is in Karnataka.
My fact is dead right.
Not a single city in Gujarat is as world famous as Bangalore.
No city in Gujarat is ahead of Bangalore in IT, BT, Healthcare, hospitality, education etc.
Your logic is skewed
If anything good happens in Karnataka, it is inspite of politicians.
But if anything good happens in Gujarat it is because of Modi?
What a farcical argument.
I can turn around your dumb proposition on its head.
Remember, The greatest industrialst of India, Dhirubai Ambani was nurtured by Congress.
If you say Dhirubai grew despite Congress, then i can say that Gujjus are by nature enterprising.
They will prosper and flourish under any circumstances. Modi. Or no Modi.
So why should you give the present Modi govt credit?
hahahaa.
It is the Congress and JDS govt in Karnatka which took a series of steps right from granting huge tracts of land, to tax holidays for IT companies, to giving several incentives which helped IT grow in Bangalore.
It was the cong’s economic liberalisation at the centre, which futher gave impetus to IT / BT in Bangalore. Anyone in the right mind cannot deny this.
Admit it. Cong has made Bangalore proud. They made it the garden city, the silicion city, the science city, the public sector giant city, the IIM city and what not.
Bari Gujarat Gujarat antha mantra heladu bittu, swalpa Kannadada bagghe swabimana, abhimana irali.
There is so much for other states to learn from Karnataka.
While we too can learn from other states, why cannot other states learn from our Karnataka?
Why can’t Gujarat say that they will follow Karnataka Model of development. Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat in several several several several industrial and socio economic parameters . So why doesnt a single politician say that they will follow Karnataka model of govt?
(If you want i can give a detailed exhaustive list)
Shame on people like Chintaka and Palahalli who make Karnatka and Kannadigas feel inferior.
This is an INSULT TO FIVE CRORE KANNADIGAS.
There is no other state in India apart from Maharashtra which WELCOMES PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WITH SUCH OPEN ARMS. KARNATAKA PROVIDES EVERYBODY INCLUDING GUJARATIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BUSINESS AND FLOURISH.
jai Karanataka! Jai Kannadigas!
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simple,
you are right, Bangalore was and is way ahead of the Gujarat, but I think they as a state are moving at a rapid pace.
However to credit CongI or JD would not be fair, if at all credit has to be given it should begin with the Wodeyars and Sir MV.
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Hail Modi. I strongly support Modi and I am 100% secular.
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I will talk all day non stop……
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Simple,
Your logic is skewed.
It may be that cities in gujrat arent that world famous. But Gujjus are surely more famous worldover.
What makes you think gujrat doesnt have good hospitals etc?? Any proof to validate that??
Regarding Dhirubhai ambani, I would say he nurtured the congress well, which helped him rather the other way.
Of course Modi should get credit, if there was no development why would people vote him back? Or why would so many top notch businessmen come and share a dias with a so called “murderer”??
You need to laud Modi for paving way for Tata nano within a few days and completing all formalities. Would this happen in any other state??
Even if we accept congress-JD got IT,BT blah blah. Did it have leaders who had the vision to develop infrastructure. Chandra babu naidu was one such guy who went ahead with lots of road widening projects and gave HYD edge over bangalore interms of infra.
Did road widening projects take shape under congress-JDS?? They remained in books. Thanks to Yeddi, now many roads in blore have been widened, considering the fact that its election year. Metro project on kuvempu road is finally taking shape.
If someone praises gujrat they surely dont mean bad to kannada. Why do you think praising gujrat or Modi is an insult to Kannada and Kannadigas??
Its a flawed argument. There are so many Indians in awe of Obama and USA, and keep talking about those most of the times. Does that also sound anti-kannada to you??
Could you please be more elaborate on Karnataka Vs Gujrat model?? Unless you come up with facts it will be just be random rantings of a congress chela..
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Sangh Chela Kharaharapriya.
Praising Gujarat is not an insult.
Claiming only Gujarat has succeded while Karnataka has not is an insult to five crore kannadigas.
there are positives about gujarat, like there are thousand positives about karnataka.
If we can learn from gujarat, why doesn’t gujart learn from Karnataka?
For starters, Karnataka is way ahead in education sector. It is known as the knowledge city.
Why don’t we hear people like you say that let Gujarat learn from Karnataka model on how to successful tackle education. From primary education to higher education Karnataka comes out tops.
That is just for starters. There are several more like male female sex ratio. Gujarat is one of the worst states with a bad sex ratio
Is that something we should learn? what nonesense are you talking?>
Gujarat has got the highest debt burden in the country. At least one of the highest.
Is that something karnataka should learn?
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Dear NSSS, always provide data while arguing you’re point. Its good manners.
Again, don’t assume you’re opponent’s arguments. Ask before you allege.
Gujarat is not doing too badly vis a vis Karnataka, in the other sectors that you mention too. Moreover, if funds are spent well and the State administered efficiently, future is insured.
Debt Stats – http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/PublicationsView.aspx?id=9993
Primary Education Stats – http://premanand.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/indian-statewise-comparison-of-primary-education/
Literacy Stats – http://www.nlm.nic.in/literacy01.htm
Sex Ratio Stats – http://infochangeindia.org/200210025880/Population/Statistics/Statewise-distribution-of-Population-and-Sex-Ratios.html
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Simple,
You are wrong, no one claimed that Gujrat is the only state that has succeeded. Its a true fact that because of political instability nothing happened in our state, which you need to accept.
Its the media that goes gaga about everything about Modi. You can ask churumuri to highlight the good stuff about karnataka :)
Regarding education sector, you are very wrong to say that Karnataka leads. How many people from Karnataka make it to the IITs. Bare minimal a handful. Your facts are wrong. Its Andhra which has a very good state syllabus. The karnataka state board syllabus is degrading day by day and its being diluted in the name of increasing pass percentages. Its a usual thing for Andhrites from small town and villages to top in entrance examination, but its a rarity that such a thing happens in Karnataka. Usually the top rankers are from Bangalore-Mysore belt.
Please back your statements by facts. Whats steps has the Karnataka govt taken to balance the sex ratio??
I have a friend who is a native of Kutch and he says after Modi has come to power, they get sufficient water throughout the day. Give credit to someone if he truly deserves.
Dont oppose for the sake of opposition.
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Simpellooo……
I think you belong to one of those set of people who argue only for the sake of argument…..naanu hididiro molakke moore kaalu mattondu kombu types….
World over Bangalore is taken as a role model in IT industry. There is also a term which has been added to English language, Bangalored. Why? Because Bangalore is the pioneer in IT development in this country. Bangalore started the trend. Does that mean there were no IT companies in this country before Bangalore became the hub of IT companies? Well, TCS was in Mumbai right from the beginning. So why dont people say Mumbai as the IT capital of this country??? And inspite of the IT growth happening across the country today, specifically in Chennai and Hyderabad, world still sees Bangalore as the Role Model in IT development. Now if someone in Chennai or Hyderabad claims that instead of calling it as Bangalore model the name should be Chennai model or Hyderabad model, what do you call him? A fool, perhaps. Right?
Arent there any financial institutions in other parts of the country? Why is Mumbai called the Financial capital of this country???
There is one word for this. And that word is PERCEPTION. It is how the world sees what you are. It is how the world perceives what you are doing. And it is the way world acknowledges the pioneers in any field of activity which matters.
Same way with MODI. World has acknowledged that he has added certain value to the administration. World has acknowledged that he has brought in certain discipline, ethics and work culture to the administration. And the world calls this Gujarat Model. If Karnataka says we follow Gujarat Model, nothing wrong with that.
Incidentally, do you remember the last time when the elections happend? I am not talking about the time when BJP got the full majority. When Congies and JDS formed the government? And do you know what was the model we were talking about then? Kashmir Model. Now the next time around, in some other state when khichdi like this happens, people still call it Kashmir model and not Karnatka model.
Compared to that, Gujarat Model any day, any time is thousand times better.
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Chintaka
It is not the way the world perceives something. Lot if it has to do with marketing gimmick.
Gujarat is largely bulit on marketing gimmick.
Bangalore is built on real and tangible perceptions.
You still evaded my question.
When Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat from education to IT to female emancipation, it is about time Gujarat followed Karnataka model of development.
We shall of course take the good aspects of Gujarat. Like Mahatma Gandhi. Like Entrepreunur spirit of Gujaratis. Just because they are ahead in a few industries, that does not mean we should follow Gujarat model of development.
And that is this model?
It has got one of the highest debts in the country.
It has got the worst sex ratio in the country.
It is lagging way behind in education sector.
It is lagging way behind in Biotech
It is lagging way behind in IT.
It is lagging way behind in health.
it is lagging wah behind in hotel industry
it is lagging way behind in tourism industry.
So, Gujarat should buck up and follow Karnataka model of development, else it will be left behind.
Except industrialisation of some sectors, nothing much for us to learn.
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Simple,
Please for gods sake stop your relentless clamour and provide proof for your statements.
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Kharaharapriya
Stopr your Gujarat fixation. Think about Kannada nadu and its achievemtns. Let Karnataka be a model. Because Karnataka has shown the world, not only India, how one industry can change the face of the country.
Karnataka changed the way people looked at India.
Westerns had this notion that India was a land of snakes and cows. But Karnataka, showed the world that India is also full of smart sensible people. The IT industry revolutionsed the image of India.
That is largely due to Karnataka. Corollary: Because of Cong and JDS
What proof you want?
The whole world knows Bangalore is the IT city of India. you want proof for that? which village are you from>
the whole world knows bangalore is far ahead in Education. you want proof for that? giggle. I just pity you.
the whole world knows Gujarat has more debt than Karnataka.
the whole world knows karnataka is ahead of Gujarat in several socio economic indicators.
Giving proof is not difficult.
You give me proof why the rest of the country should not follow Karnataka model of governance?
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Dear NSSS, always provide data while arguing you’re point. Its good manners.
Again, don’t assume you’re opponent’s arguments. Ask before you allege.
Gujarat is not doing too badly vis a vis Karnataka, in the other sectors that you mention too. Moreover, if funds are spent well and the State administered efficiently, future is insured.
Debt Stats – http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/PublicationsView.aspx?id=9993
Primary Education Stats – http://premanand.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/indian-statewise-comparison-of-primary-education/
Literacy Stats – http://www.nlm.nic.in/literacy01.htm
Sex Ratio Stats – http://infochangeindia.org/200210025880/Population/Statistics/Statewise-distribution-of-Population-and-Sex-Ratios.html
And no, as much as I would want to think that, I don’t find Karnataka the best State.
You’re just a plain unashamed propagandist for the Congress and worse, for JD “S” :)
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Simple,
I have no gujrat fixation.
For Gods sake cut this crap as though Bangalore is the only IT city in India. Hyderabad is more preferred nowadays, please dont forget for obvious reasons of better infrastructure and lower costs.
Bangalore is not Karnataka. You replace Bangalore and Karnataka at your convenience.
I also asked you, what steps did your congress JDS take to improve sex ratio?? You didnt. This isn’t very obvious and the whole world doesn’t know what they did.
I accept the government paved way for IT. But investments related to IT came into India because of the confidence built by NRIs in USA.
Do you even know the usual protocol followed when an India centre is opened by an MNC? A small team of expats from USA train a team in India and once they have nurtured, grown the team and identified leadership they go back.
I of course didnt ask proof for Bangalore as IT city. But for your comments on Gujarat :) You surely didnt do that. If you feel that giving proof is not difficult please do that.
When you provide proof please give a comprehensive one on various parameters. Dont act like typical marketing guys, showing off only the benchmarks where their product excels :)
I need not give proof because I never made a statement that others shouldnt follow karnataka model.
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Example One:
What proof do you want me to give you that Karnataka is a million miles ahead of Gujarat in Education?
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Simple,
Dont beat around the bush. Gimme whatever proof you have.
And from the links that Palahalli sent it really doesnt look that Gujarat is worst, nor is Gujrat very far behind Karnataka.
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Ok, here I go. The first one was eductaion. According to the link sent by Palaahalli, Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat in Primary education.
As for as engineering and medical and other professional courses, Karnataka is one light years of Gujarat. This is common sense.
here is the second reason:
WHY KARNATAKA MODEL OF GOVERNANCE IS BETTER THAN GUJARAT
See this link
http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/23495593.cms
If you are too lazy to open it, let me sum it up. It says, karnataka is tops in e governance.
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Not to belittle Karnataka but certainly, to belittle my dear friend NSSS…please read on. And this is not version 2002 but version 2008.
http://egovonline.net/news/news-details.asp?Title=Gujarat's-e-Governance-Project-Gets-Award-From-NASSCOM&newsid=15718
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Simple,
You missed a point there. It also talks of andhra being on par with Karnataka.
And Gujrat stands 8th, surely not the worst as you have been talking of in your posts :)
Good. Thats way back in 2002. Please show the present numbers. Very recent ones.
And who the hell told you GOVERNANCE is same as E-GOVERNANCE?? :)
Measuring Governance encompasses various metrics. Come up with a comprehensive list of Karnataka and Gujrat and compare. Compare it specifically with the rule of Modi against the rule of Kaangi emme timmana Dharam singh and Kumaraswamy.
Please do that exercise and do a Gujrath comparision before and after modi. Who knows you might prove me wrong.
And regarding the Karnataka education facts provide statistics of those index before and after congress and JDS government please. Else how can anyone make out what your Kaangis and Gowdas have done??? Please tell us the innovative measures these governments took to improve education other than diluting the syllabus??
And the number of Engineering/ medical colleges surely doesn’t indicate the advancement in education.
How many Kannadigas are studying in IISC, IITs, IIMs or any other top notch schools??
Bare minimal.
How many of these people who make it into these instis are from rural background and not from Bangalore??
Infinitesimally small.
Appa tande. I had a teacher of mine, who was in the text book revision committee and he always used to crib about getting orders from the top to dilute the syllabus to increase the pass percentages. And this was when ur SMK was virajamaana on the CMs gaddi.
Go procure 10th standard math text books from 1960 till 2008 and know for yourself. I have done this exercise myself and found a huge degradation in the contents of the same.
Also do a comparison between present day text books of karnataka and andhra and CBSE. Andhra syllabus is on par with CBSE. Thats surely one of the primary reasons for finding andhrites from humble backgrounds in top notch universities.
You shout on top of your voice saying karnataka education is best. It wont help. Its surely not. Then why should any other government follow that?
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Simple
I don’t understand why do you think that praising gujarat is tantamount to saying that Karnataka is not better off ? Let’s say gujarat is a developing state under the able leadership of Modi. No need to drag Kannada, Karnataka and Bengaluru in this. The post ain’t about Karnataka.
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Dear All,
I am disappointed by the sham legalese employed by Modi while discussing Kasab’s case before the media. A stronger PM other than MMS would have given him an earful in provate; but MMS cannot because Modi will give him an earful back for sitting on the anti-terroris laws framed by Gujarat. Also wtf is wrong with BJP? First they tried their best to scuttle the Nuclear Deal with US. Then they lost heart by not standing by the issues of terrorism after losing Delhi elections. All along the BJP morons completely forgot that projecting ‘aging’ geriatrics as CMs and PM will not fetch them votes ever!
Frankly I am disgusted by the antics of BJP. If you are a Nationalist party, behave like one. Its leader Oddvani is still defending Jinnah. Who cares!
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Sandesh
Please read my earlier postings before you ask the cliched question as to why praising gujarat is tantamount to saying Karnataka is not better off.
No i never said that.
I said kannadigas (from BJP) constantly talk about Gujarat model of development.
It is about time Gujaratis talk about Karnataka model of development.
Because if Gujarat is ahead in some fields, Karnataka has already shown the way ahead, way back. Karnataka is ahead in several fields, which Gujarat should learn from.
Why can’t you guys just say it? Let Gujarat learn from Karnataka how it is galloping ahead in several sectors from IT to BT to tourism to healthcare.
I wonder why it is so difficult for you to get this point.
Kharaharapriya
a) Have you done an indepth study of Gujarat education? if so, then on what basis do you say Karnataka’s education system is full of flaws vis a vis Gujarat.
The link Palahalli has sent clearly shows Karnataka is AHEAD of Gujarat in primary education. As to how it is ahead is a field for experts to debate on.
Experts have come to the opinion that Karnataka is ahead of Gujarat in education.
Is it your claim that Gujarat is ahead of Karnataka? THen pleas show data. I showed two datas to prove my point. One is that of Palahalli link. The second is the fact that the number of quality engg, medical and other professionl courses are much much higher than Gujarat.
YOU DONT HAVE THE GUTS to give me a single instance to prove Gujarat is ahead of Karnataka in education, yet you foolishly valour on.
Each of your points outrivals the other in its sheer stupidity. you say mere number of colleges is not an indication of being ahead in education.
Surely not. Karnataka produces some of India’s best engineers, which are higher in number vis a vis Gujarat.
Palahalli
Ther you go with your Gujarat fixation.
a) do you or don’t you agree that Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat in e governance ( save for that odd award for the project)
Now here is the third link to prove Karnataka is tops in relation to Gujarat
http://www.rncos.com/Report/IM115.htm
Karnataka is way ahead of Guj in tourism
I promose more instalments. I have already given three instances where Kar is ahead of Gujart
Till today, all 3 jokers Chintaka, Palahalli and Kharaharapriya haven’t been able to counter that.
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Man is this scary! If this nexus of free market capitalists and mass murderers succeed in taking over India, be prepared for unlimited Nazi horror!
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Simple
I suggest you combine all your points into one coherent story and write to the editors of Churumuri.
My belief (still….call it a cliche if you want) is that when this post is about gujarat and modi, we should not drag Karnataka into it.
BTW… is it not a great thing to note that our Karnataka is way ahead of other states… This is a matter of pride .. but again, it is not the topic here.
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Dear NSSS, compared to Karnataka, Gujarat is not doing badly at all.
My irritation stems from you’re inane logic that Karnataka’s development is the grant of Congress and JD (S). It is not.
DO NOT link this above irritation with any kind of “disrespect” toward Karnataka’s progress.
You’re earlier hysteria claimed the “worst” place for Gujarat. That is a fanatic’s stance. Not a reasonable stand at all.
Abhi, please try to make more sense..or is it timepass for you?
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Mr. Palahalli
I dare you do show when did i say Gujarat is the worst place. I only said that sure, we should take positives from Gujarat. Like Gujarat should take positives from Karnataka.
I have given three instance where Karnataka is ahead of Gujarat.
Here is the fourth link which shows Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat in Bio technology. thanks to Cong and JDS govts. facilitating their growth.
http://www.blonnet.com/2002/04/16/stories/2002041600541100.htm
As a NASSCOM report says Karnataka (under Cong and JDS) has taken several PROACTIVE STEPS TO HELP IT ITES AND BIO INDUSTRY. Here is the quote:
“The state has taken a number of proactive steps to encourage the ITES industry which is reflected in the Millennium IT policy that offers incentives like, sales tax exemptions for 10 years, entry tax exemption on computer hardware, computer peripherals and other capital goods.”
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Dear NSSS, I found this – “It has got the worst sex ratio in the country.”
You love to shadow box…have fun :)
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Palahalli
Semantics. you are confusing yourself with usage of words. Or you are deliberately trying to confuse readers of churumuri.
I never said Gujarat is the worst place. I said Gujarat has the worst sex ratio.
There is a world of difference between the two.
The sex ratio of Gujarat is 883:1000 compared to the Karnataka average of 964:1000.
Gujarat is also way behind the national average of 933
Here is a list of the worst states :
Punjab, (798), Haryana (819), Chandigarh (845), Delhi (868), Gujarat (883) and Himachal Pradesh (896).
Also i note that you are nitpicking on one issue. I already sent you four links which show Karnataka is ahead of Gujarat. Add the sex ratio bit, and it becomes the fifth important parameter in which Karnataka SHOULD NOT follow Gujarat model
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Wrong again. The link above says Gujarat is 920:1000.
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Simple,
Please read my posts properly. You said gujrath should learn from Karnataka in terms of education. I told you they can learn from Andhra instead of Karnataka.
Could you please go and re-check the stats on the number of kannadigas who make it to IIT’s and NIT’s and IISC’s??
Since I studied in one of these prestigious insti I know how many of our kannadigas make it in there. Go and check the stats for yourself.
I still want to know what steps your caangi+ JDS govts took to improve the quality of education in Karnataka and to balance the skewed sex ratio in our state. Why do you keep mum. Please enlighten us!!
Thanks to Palahalli for exposing Simple simons double speak :)
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Palahalli.
Rubbish. Which link says it is 920? Here is a strong link which says Gujarat is way at the bottom of the list.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/pm-hits-out-at-punjab-gujarat-delhi-for-poor-sex-ratio_10042753.html
I have already sent five links to prove Gujarat is way behind in Karnataka.
Now here is a fresh link, the sixth one. This link shows Gujarat is among the worst debted states in the country. Should Karnataka follow this kind of model?
Laughable.
http://www.articlearchives.com/government/public-finance-taxes-taxation/1694719-1.html
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Kharaharapriya
Fresh evidence (seventh link) to show Gujarat is one of the worst states in education.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gujarat-worst-in-rural-children-education-report/410543/
Surely, Karnataka should not follow this model?
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Dearest NSSSu….yenappa? Hoge soppu bitti sikta?
http://infochangeindia.org/200210025880/Population/Statistics/Statewise-distribution-of-Population-and-Sex-Ratios.html
Chidambaram election speechu bigiTaIrabedappa..we have already covered that area. Please read the posts of others too :)
On the last link you gave, I propose Karnataka follow the MP or Chhattisgarh model :) Where, by the way, does Karnataka stand on this? I don’t see any figure there.
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Dear NSSS…I have not said Karnataka is not great I say! But interestingly, all this data exchange has opened my eyes to States that have done better than Karnataka.
Listen to kharaharapriya. He makes a lot of sense.
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Palahalli
If you sent me one link, i sent you another to show Gujarat ‘s worst sex ratio.
But the moot point: Karnataka is well ahead of Gujarat in both your link and my link.
And Gujarat is CERTAINLY not a role model for Karnataka to follow.
Gujarat is deep in debt.
Should we follow this state’s model?
Repeatedly Palahalli is insulting Karnataka, even If i showed so far SEVEN INSTANCES where Karnataka is ahead of Gujarat. More will come i promise.
EVEN IF THERE IS GLARLING EVIDENCE that GUJARAT IS NO LEADER IN 99% of SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS, yet we get harebrained guys like Palahalli who have this irrational Gujarat fixation.
Learn to take pride in being a Karnataka. Praise Karnataka’s achievements dude, before drooling over Gujarat so called achievements.
I don’t see you PRAISING KARNATAKA even in a single instance even though OVERWHELMING evidence points to the fact that Karnataka is praise worthy
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Simple,
Could you please throw light on Karnataka model of education? And what are the salient features that kaangi and JDS employed??
Could you also tell me what kaangis and JDS did for improving sex ratio??
Why are you mum?? Please open up.
The link on education is not complete. It doesnt list all states. Where does karnataka stand there?? Only then can we compare karnataka and gujrath. If gujrath is worse then it should learn from MP.
As i said mere numbers dont mean anything. Since this post is related to Modi’s style of governance its worthwhile to look @ the growth rate in each sector from 2002-2008 for all states and compare the same. That will be a better index of Modi’s performance and will tell if gujrath is really shining.
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1. Palahalli already sent you a link which showed Kar is ahead of Gujart in Primary education.
2. The link on education shows the worst states. Karnataka is not among the worst. If gujarat is among the worst, surely we should not follow Gujarat! surely this gujart model of governance is not what kar should follow!
3. Karnataka model of eduction – i have told n number of times, experts have come to this view that Kar is better than Gujarat. so question the experts, not me.
4. Numbers dont mean anything you say? sure, what a joke.
if numbers tell a poor story about Gujarat it means nothing. But if numbers tell that Gujarat is shining, then Gujarst is a great success!
what hypocrisy.
Here is the eigth link to PROVE WHY WE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW GUJARATH MODEL OF GOVT>
http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=4577&cattype=NEWS
enjoy your evening.
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Appa simpleoo
Please write all your points in a coherent fashion instead of just responding to
kharaharapriya and Palahalli….. Eshtu linksna exchange madkotira ??
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Simple,
Haha. Ninge yest sati helbeku. Artaane aagolva??
Development encompasses a multitude of factors. Education and sex ratio are just a small part of it. It would be great if you could compile it and send a comprehensive comparison.
Since this post if about modi. Mere numbers dont carry much weight. Its the growth rate during Modis period under all categories of governance that matters and will be the real index. I hope you has this much of common sense. If you could provide proof to prove that there’s no growth in Gujrath during Modis rule I will accept it with grace.
Its not an apples to apple comparision if you just take mere numbers.
Lemme give you an example.
Bihar is 15 years behind rest of india in terms of development. Even with a good and dedicated CM , reversing the 15 years lag will be a herculean task. Because of an excellent CM after 5 years assume the gap has reduced to 10 years. You might still call the state backward if you go by sheer numbers. But if you look at the growth rate you will find a phenomenal work achieved by the CM, which no other predecessor of his had done.
I sometimes feel should I explain these very SIMPLE fundae to you :)
Have you even studied some math and logical reasoning in school?
Will you agree that Gujrath should emulate MP and chattisgarh model of education instead of Karnataka? Idaadru opkoppa. Ninna meese en mannagolla :)
You still didnt reply about the steps taken by Kaangis and JDS to improve sex ratio and education?
If you dont give proof, I shall assume that you are a palaayanavaadi.
@Sandesha,
I am just asking a few questions, related to simple simons interpretation of links. As usual he makes incoherent statements and will blame on semantics. Or he will say blame the experts. Naav en maadokke aagutte :)
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@kharaharipriya
Howdu. Ee simpleoo bari react madodu ashte. Why can’t he just write a coherent story highlighting what kaangi has done and what not. … After going through all his comments.. I have no clue what he wants to say and how is it relevant to this post :)
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Your starting line says it all…you are no doubt the only one in billion citizens and I appeal everyone to make you the only one…
How can you forget that India is secular only because 80% of the citizens are Hindus…
How can you not see that they were in minority in only one state – Kashmir and what happened to them there?? Did you ever tried to know about their sufferings in the camps they are living?? This is called genocide…..trying to eliminate a particular community entirely in which they succeeded…try to switch off your mobile even for a second for these human beings..
How can you never think of those 4500 Sikhs killed in 1984 and whose families are still even after 25 years running from pillar to post to get justice??? Was that not state sponsored??? Did you ever tried to find out..who was the fascist mastermind then?..that was the genocide…try to switch off your mobile for these fellow country mens…
How can you not see the plights of minority communities in our neighboring countries…switch off your mobile for them….
Instead of addressing their collective amnesia I would suggest to first address your selective amnesia.
I sincerely wish that you remain the only voice in a billion who will observe the 61st death anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi on as Cellular Silence Day, so that our country remains a country of right thinking unbiased people.
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I wish a simple thing as switching off a cell phone could help our country rid itself of people like Narendra Modi. I hate the man with a feeling so strong I could have burnt in spontaneous combustion !!
Why ? … because
he gave the police time to do nothing as Muslims burned in Gujarat before he gave orders to put a stop to it.
he is irresponsible and uncouth in his statements while addressing the public.
what he’s doing in Gujarat (that Ambani and Mittal referred to ) can not be replicated in the rest of the country by a man who will have no love for the ‘matribhoomi’ of different states.
he is shameless and hides behind untruths.
he is not man enough to lead a country like India with its varied cultures , languages and religions…..for that you have to be secular.
he has been rightly called ‘maut ka saudagar ‘ by someone whom I admire greatly.
WHO , in my opinion, IS MAN enough to lead India as PM
Why ……. Sonia Gandhi . of course. !!!
She embodies every quality that he does not .
A secular Army wife.
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Kharaharapriya
You are not reading my replies properly.
I told you a thousand times, EXPERTS have given the opinion that Karnataka is ahead of Guajrat in Education. Series of surveys have shown KArnataka is way ahead of Gujarat. As to how they arrived at that conclusion, (meaning what steps cong and JDS took), you should ask experts.
But you have not shown me a single instance where Gujarat is ahead of Karnataka in Primarty Education.
Growth rate under Modi could be a sure indicator. But on that aspect, development by sheila ANd nitish and naveen patnaik and SM krishna are much much much better than that of Modi.
SM KRISHNA changed the perception of India, with his liberal enonomic policies. SM Krishna showed the world what Bangalore is capable of.
Gujarat economy has grown quite fast from 1991 onwards. Modi has just followed the trend. Nothing new about it.
And dumbo, when BJP in karnataka talks about Gujarat model of govt, they surely aren’t talking about its rate of growth? There are several states above gujarat in its GDP and per capita income, so surely we should follow those states.
here is the tenth link to show that Gujarat is lagging
. Gujarat is 14th on the literacy rate. Is this the model Karnataka should follow? Karnataka has better role models to follow: from Kerala to Mizoram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate
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I really liked your views….‘maut ka saudagar ‘…very well said by someone whom you admire greatly and whose husband once said “Jab koi Bada Tree girta hai toh dharati hilati hai”……i am not sure if u still remember this quote and the 1984 sikh killings…..I don’t have to remind you who said this….dear husband of the person whom you admire the most and want to make her prime minister of India because we 1 billion Indians have a long history of being ruled by others due to our in-competence….however would u like to give the same ‘maut ka saudagar ‘ title to the dear late husband of your favourite.
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Sandesh
What do you mean i am merely ‘reacting’?
Excuse me.
Every posting of mine has PRO ACTIVELY (as opposed to reacting) given links to prove Gujarat is way behind Karnataka in various spheres.
Sadly Kharaharapriya only nitpicks. I can only give survey results. As to how the survey was done, is not within me to tell.
But on the other hand, HE HAS NOT GIVEN ME A SINGLE INSTANCE TO PROVE GUJARAT is worth emulating in the ten aspects of development i have showed so far.
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Simple,
Ha ha.
>>Growth rate under Modi could be a sure indicator. But on that aspect, development by sheila ANd nitish and naveen patnaik and SM krishna are much much much better than that of Modi.
Proof kodu tande, why sheila, nitish and naveen are doing well??
I neednt not give you any proof because I never made a statement saying Karnataka is best in Gujrath is worst. :)
>> Gujarat economy has grown quite fast from 1991 onwards. Modi has just followed the trend. Nothing new about it.
Gimme proof for this also.
Ha ha. Karnataka is 18th kano mank dinne. Isht hottu archkotidde, Gujrath should follow Karnataka model anta. Idakken heltya??
And for god sake cut this crap about SMK. He did his best for Bangalore, appreciated. But he didnt do anything outside. He surely wasnt a politician with fore-sight. He didnt address bangalores infrastructure concerns. Kaangis lost election twice under Krishna and they lost badly in urban areas as well both the times.
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Kharaharapriya
Somehow your mind can’t even grasp the most basic things.
BJP politicians constantly say that Karnataka should follow Gujarat model of govt.
Through my links I have firmly established
a) Gujarat is not number one in any of the developmental aspects.
(Logical deduction: THere are other states which are worthy enough to emulate, other than Gujarat)
b) Karnataka is way ahead of Gujarat in several parameters .
(Logical deduction: Gujarat should follow Karnataka model of govt. instead of the other way around)
c) Gujarat may be ahead of Karnataka in certain aspects. But in such aspects, there are other states which are far ahead. So Karnataka would do better to follow that state’s model. (like the literacy ratio for instance)
I have given you ten links to prove that Gujarat is lagging in several aspects of development.
I shall give you more and more proof.
While you have given me none to prove Gujarat is better than Kar
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this is 3rd class suggestion. this shows hypocracy.
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Simple,
You talk about semantics and stuff.
I never made any statement that Gujrat is better than Karnataka.
Your remarks are very funny.
In all the points where Karnataka is ahead of Gujrat, is Karnataka the best?? Arent there other states better than karnataka?? Why should Gujrat follow Karnataka Model then??
Your points “b” and “c”, contradict each other. :) Karnataka can follow other states model where its lagging. But Gujrat should follow Karnataka model even though there are other states better than Karnataka. :)
Dont use such skewed logic. As I told you earlier. You still haven’t given me proof for many valid questions.
>> Gujarat economy has grown quite fast from 1991 onwards. Modi has just followed the trend. Nothing new about it.
>>Growth rate under Modi could be a sure indicator. But on that aspect, development by sheila ANd nitish and naveen patnaik and SM krishna are much much much better than that of Modi.
First come with answers for all these and many other questions I asked in earlier posts. Only then can we proceed further in this discussion.
I said in earlier posts as well. Gimme proof on growth rate. Since this is post is about Modi. I need that. If you cant then I wont entertain any of your replies from now on.
@KHS
Chennagi helidri :)
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Sanjay
I air these views as a Sikh myself. Rajeev Gandhi is not to be blamed… it’s his cronies and sycophants who allegedly ordered / watched / incited the killings.Unfortunately there’s no tangible proof that will hold up in court…those who’re responsible MUST be punished including Cong ministers.
Sonia Gandhi is head and shoulders above ‘Bred on Indian soil ‘ ministers in matters where intelligence , logic , dignity, fair play , focused thought processes and patriotism (to India ) are concerned. Their childre are a credit to them unlike others’ who misuse their parents’ priveleges and authority .
On the other hand there is sufficient proof against Modi and for the ‘Telecom Trio’ to propose his name is SHAMEFUL INDEED.
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Dhillon – Nice effort :)
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Kharaharapriya
Congraulations to coming around to my view that Gujarat is not better than Karnataka.
Everything else becomes secondary.
The topic is closed now.
Still, if you want indicators to prove that under Modi, the human development index has suffered, here is the link:
Note: In more than 50% of the cases, Guajrat is SLIPPING BELOW NATIONAL AVERAGE. Surely, this is not the model we should follow
This has been taken from latest outlook magazine (jan last issue)
In some important areas, Gujarat is slipping under the national average.
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Gujarat All India
1998-99 2005-06 2005-06
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BPL population* 14.10 16.80 27.50
Underweight children 45.00 47.00 46.00
Stunted children 44.00 42.00 38.00
Full vaccination 53.00 45.00 44.00
Female education (10 yrs +) NA 24.00 22.00
Male education (10 yrs+) NA 33.00 35.00
Literacy** 70.00 72.10 67.60
Growth in industrial units # 3.44 4.69
Employment growth # 2.94 2.78
Houses with toilet facility 44.90 54.60 44.6
Households with electricity 84.30 89.30 67.90
Access to piped water NA 72.70 42.00
Access to maternity care 61.20 64.90 50.70
Unmet family planning need 8.50 8.20 13.20
Fertility rate 2.70 2.40 2.70
Infant mortality 63.00 60.00 57.00
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Sources: National Family Health Survey II & III, Planning Commission and Central Statistical Organisation’s 5th Economic Census
* BPL data from Planning Commission for 2000 & 2005, ** Literacy rate rose from 61.3% in 1991 to 70% in 2001, # Compound annual growth rate between 1998-2005.
Unless indicated otherwise, figures are % of population
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http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20090202&fname=Good+for+India+%28F%29&sid=4
Here is the outlook link. (feb 02 , 2009)
Note that gujarat is under national average in several sectors.
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This guy is mad. why this so called middle class secular guy did not stand up against Jagdish Titler, or congress as a whole for Sikh Massacre in 1984. He is trying to become a saint by opposing BJP. don’t you see the work Modi has done for Gujarat. These guys are jealous of the progress made by this state.
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Traveen,
You are a sikh yourself that is why I am more surprised…..I myself saw the bodies of the sikhs lying on the roads killed brutally because i happened to be at that time in Laxmibai Nagar from where it all started…where was the government/home minster/police/army for those three days…when you talk of the proof; was not justifing the killings with the phrase “Jab koi Bada Tree girta hai toh dharati hilati hai” is enough..if you talk of the proof does anyone has any proof till now that Modi was invloved….do you know of any police station or court where he is held guilty…
I will not comment on your praise of Mrs Sonia Gandhi because one she has yet not proved herself in any administrative jobs other then she has suffix “Gandhi” to her name and moreover same cronies and sycophants are sourrounding her also… moreover this is your personal view and with this yardstick probably Mr Obama can be more suited to rule us if he can adopt India…like Britishers did…
And as regard to Telecom Trio did…their contribution to the Country is much more then what many of us have done..
rgds
sanjay
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Simple,
Moreover this is just the health survey. Its not comprehensive. How does Karnatakas growth compare in these metrics, during the same time frame?
You still havent given me proof on various statements you made in the post??
It mostly looks that you make up some statements and start searching for proof :)
Keep searching. As I said no more conversations with you till you come clean on many of your statements.
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Kharaharapriya,
it is not health survey thta i have sent. it is human developent index.
in which gujarat lags behind.
What proof do you want?
I have given 12 links so far to prove:
a) Gujarat is not the best in all the 12 socio economic indicators
b) Karnataka is ahead of Gujarat in 11 out of the 12 socio economic indicators.
What other proof do you want?
here is 13th link to prove Gujarat was better even before Modi
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Simple,
You and your skewed logic. How many times should I say that, this discussion is about Modi’s governance.I have exposed the weak links in all your links. So those carry no credibility in judging Modis performance. Nor have you provided a similar comparison with Karnataka. As said I need “growth rates”, else I wont judge it. More over each state is different in many ways in terms of resources, so when one passes such comments, one needs to be careful.
Till you can come up with something better and comprehensive, I shall rather believe the central commissions report card on Modi’s government.
BTW you made a statement on growth-rate during sheila, nitish and patnaiks govt. Yaake usire illa??
Sumne udvegakke olagaagi, baaige bandidanna baribeda. Dont make a fool out of yourself.
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Kharaharapriya
you have exposed nothing . what ‘weak links’?
The 13 links that i have sent is all surveys done by different impartial agencies. They all show Gujarat is lagging behind in various forms of development.
Here is the 14th link to prove my point.
http://www.rediff.com/money/2009/jan/31why-they-love-modi.htm
I find it strange that you believe central comissions report…why? what does it say? if numbers favour Gujarat govt, you will believe it. but if numbers dont favour gujarat govt. you will trash it.
I have given you 14 links to prove my point.
you have given me ZERO links to prove your point.
yet you blabber.
Here is the extract from my 14th link (i have sent the link above):
The extremely cosy relationship that industry and the Gujarat CM enjoy raises some troubling questions.
What do the Ratan Tatas, Sunil Mittals, K V Kamaths and Ambanis see as the role of politicians? Can generous sops to industry and the speed and simplification of regulations alone be compelling reasons for the adulation of a politician with a spotty record on pursuing development goals and protecting the rights of the vulnerable sections of society? It would appear that India’s business community for the most part is unable to see beyond its nose.
If not, what explains the complete indifference of these men to some shocking revelations about Modi’s Gujarat that were made at the same time the Vibrant Gujarat histrionics were being played out? Top among these is that the state’s record on getting its children into school and keeping them there is dismal.
The Annual Status of Education Report Rural 2008, the most telling document on education trends, shows 21 per cent of the boys and 30 per cent of girls in the 15-16 age group in rural Gujarat dropping out of school.
Worse, the younger children are simply not getting a proper education. Only 59.6 per cent rural children in the Standard 3 to 5 group could read the Standard 1 text against the all-India average of 66.6 per cent. In maths, they fared worse: only 43.1 per cent could do subtraction against the national average of 54.9 per cent, way behind the figures for Chhattisgarh and Madhya Pradesh.
Surely, something is rotten in the state of Gujarat? Perhaps, his business fan following is not aware that Gujarat under Modi has fared worse than most states on almost every index of human development, the worst blot being the dwindling sex ratio. The number of girls per 1,000 boys in Gujarat is just 878, one of the lowest in the country, despite the growing prosperity of the state — or perhaps because of it.
The poor indices of overall human development — Gujarat has slipped from first spot to sixth place among Indian states — are a deeply worrying issue for social scientists who have also been sounding the alarm bells on the fragmentation and ghettoisation of Gujarat’s society.
But these are not issues that find resonance in the business community. Instead, there is a belief that all is well with Modi’s state. Nothing but rank ignorance could explain this very recent statement by a leading banker, who is also the head of an industry organisation, praising what he called “Gujarat’s all-round development”.
He says: “When I talk about Gujarat as a role model, it is not only to do with GDP growth but also other parameters like human development index, schooling, education, infrastructure and basic services. That is a model which is setting a right benchmark.”
A big part of the answer as to why industry takes such a benign view of the ‘Gujarat model’ could be that Modi makes no bones about favouring this segment over all others. It is a model where public money is used to turn a private venture into a profitable enterprise at the cost of the environment. This is not to say that other parts of India are not similarly engaged but it is a fundamental principle with Modi.
A clear indication of this is available in a Government Resolution on the concessions made to Tata’s Nano project. The GR passed on January 1, 2009, but made public just 10 days ago, is an eye-opener although there have been several speculative reports that revealed the blandishments offered by Modi to bring the Nano to Gujarat.
These make the incentives offered by the West Bengal government to the Tatas in Singur look tight-fisted. According to one estimate, tax-payers in Gujarat will be footing as much as Rs 60,000 per vehicle to make the Nano the car of the masses with a price tag of Rs 1 lakh.
It’s a dream package that Modi is giving the Tatas: apart from the 1,100 acres of land and infrastructure sops, there is a soft loan of Rs 9,570 crore (Rs 95.7 billion) that is repayable over 20 years at an unbelievable 0.1 per cent rate of interest.
Facilities for solid-waste disposal and effluent treatment plants are to be developed by the state government which will also provide a dedicated power connection of 200 KW to the factory along with 14,000 cubic metres water daily. There are other dispensations, too.
The Nano project does not have to recruit 85 per cent of the workforce locally as the state industrial policy mandates.
How can one not love Modi if public money is to fund private industry to this extent? In the old days, industry was brought in to spur infrastructure and employment. That doesn’t seem to be an overriding concern these days, and certainly not for Gujarat.
Attracting big-ticket industrial projects is essentially image-building that comes in handy at the time of elections. If you can get a Tata to set up the Nano factory outside Ahmedabad, does it really matter if children in the hinterland cannot read, write or count?
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Simple,
Muhahah!!
Please joke maadbeda le. Your 13th link is up in air. Nangantoo kanstilla :)
What’s the credentials of this 14th link writer. I have never heard of her.
Since we are discussing Karnataka Vs Gujrat. Gimme some comprehensive proof comparing “GROWTH RATES” for different states.
I need no give you any links/proof. Why?
Because I didnt make any atrocious statement like you.
I am not even arguing Guj is best or Karnataka is worst. If you cant understand SIMPLE logic of GROWTH RATE, I cant help.
BTW “PALAYANAVAADI” elli proof for Nitish,Sheila and Patnaik GROWTH RATE ???
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Since you agree that Gujarat is not really the best place and since you also agree that Karnataka is not the worst, i think the topic is closed.
Thank you for finally agreeing to all my view points.
i could hug you.
Hugs and hugs.
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Simple,
Nice try. How does that mean I agree to “all your points” on Karnataka being better than Gujrat and your comments on sheila,Nitish and Naveen patnaik and Modi :P
For your sake, I shall stop pursuing this post from now on. :)
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i sent you 13 or 14 links to prove my point. I made no atrocious points. my points were all made to prove that:
Gujarat is not really a model state. It lags behind in several parameters.
you nitipicked with those points that i sent.
you said you’d rather beleive the central comission’s report on Guajat govt.
you don’t want to beleive my links, but your own.
I too don’t want to believe your llinks, but my own.
so there is now forward going.
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Ok good luck Kiddo Simple simon :)
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