The general elections are clearly just days away from being announced, as a flurry of boastful and wasteful government advertisements in newspapers and on television seem to suggest, and one thing is becoming quite clear even before the Election Commission calls its media conference to announce the dates.
That barring a mammoth, unforeseen incident/event of monumental proportions, neither the Congress nor the BJP looks likely to reach the 272-figure on its own. Former Union minister Arun Nehru‘s back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that the two parties will end up with 150 and 134 seats respectively and the regional parties will get around 260. Former Andhra Pradesh chief minister Nara Chandrababu Naidu said recently that the two main parties will, together, not get 272. (They currently occupy 282 seats.)
Assuming that this—another “hung” parliament resulting in an “unstable” coalition government once again—is a bad thing, an even bigger indication of the shape of things to come is a slew of stories emanating from Delhi, resurrecting the idea of a “national” government, in which both the Congress and the BJP will be equal partners.
Former RSS ideologue K. Govindacharya suggested a “joint front” in Ahmedabad recently.
“I see the BJP as a saffron Congress. I also visualise seeing more corrupt and unstable governments. It is therefore best for the country if the BJP and Congress join hands to form the next government at the centre,” Govindacharya, who fell out with the BJP, said.
Now, Rajat Sharma, former media advisor to prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and the bossman of India TV, has revealed that he is party to fresh moves to form a “grand alliance” between the Congress and the BJP, and that it has the approval of “at least two powerful leaders of Congress and the BJP who spoke to me”.
“Both Congress and the BJP have run coalition governments. Both have been badgered by their allies. Both know what it feels to grin and bear it. So, the formula has re-emerged from this pain. The two major leaders who spoke to me in great detail recently are convinced that this formula would work. Above all, they see it in overall national interest.”
Questions: Is a coming together of such sworn political enemies possible? Is it a good idea or a bad dream? Will it work? Will it last? Are our so-called “national” parties incapable of ever coming to power on their own again? Is a “grand alliance” in the national interest or in the self-interest of the two main parties? Do voters place their trust in regional parties, in the full knowledge of the inherent dangers of instability, because of their trust in them or because of their distrust of the so-called “national” parties?
Read the full articles: A Congress-BJP government?
Rajat Sharma: My enemy’s enemy
I guess this is not too far from truth, if congress+BJP ~= {Rest of all parties}, then Congress+BJP forming the govt would give much more political stability than the govt formed from other parties.. though ‘stability’ is relative there, still it can be worked out….
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Well.. they are far less sworn enemies at the centre (and maybe even some states) as say AIADMK-DMK, BSP-SP, TDP-Congress (Andhra), CPIM-MomtaDidi, Deve Gowda-people of Karnataka at the State level.
Though I don’t see LK Advani being Deputy PM again ;).
Still, the ministerial berths could be up for grabs, and we would get the best of both worlds (BJP-type and Congress-type) in terms of competent ministers.
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This is a good idea. I feel that this option will indeed be the best for the country (rather, the ‘least bad’). Lets be honest – there is really very little to choose between the BJP and congress. For all its Mandir and uniform civil code talk, the BJP will really not implement 1% of what it claims. And the congress talks big about being ‘aam aadmi’ and ‘pro poor’, but they do precious little on the ground.
Let them come togeter and put up the most competent and capable people in ministerial posts. At least they will be free of those pesky petty coalition concerns.
We have tried everything, let us try this as well.
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All the folks in this article who are for this unholy coalition (all post election coalitions are unholy) are from the BJP/ Sangh Parivar. In case this is true, the ‘two powerful leaders’ from congress will be nameless till the election result. No conggie would dare to say this openly lest they lose their traditional votebanks.
If congress folks go for an alliance with this so called third force they will have a tortorous journey. Parties with single digit seats like our DG’s JDS will hold them to ransom.
Regional / Casteist parties have a limited vision which does not go beyond their caste and region. It is not good for our country.
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It’s true that the BJP has no will to implement the Hindu agenda, however, the “word” has been spoken.
It is far easier for the BJP to embrace the Congress than for the Congress to do the same. After all, the BJP needs just to “air-brush” Congress “family” history Nehru down-wards in order to psychologically, be prepared. All the Congress needs to do is dump the “family” or make it secondary or tertiary in the power reckoning. It’s well known that the BJS and the BJP got along very well with L.B. Shastri and Narasimha Rao.
This is an old, much discussed “National Government” plan. Nothing new.
The Congress knows too well that if it does go ahead with this plan, it will have to become comfortable with the “word/spirit” of the Hindu Agenda. More than the BJP, it will always vest with the Congress to come up with a self-confident non-family leadership willing to shake off the yoke.
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I don’t this happening for a simple reason that these parties are primary opponents in a lot of states like MP, Rajasthan, Punjab, Himachal, Maharashtra, Karnataka. So a coalition is impossible. At best it can be an outside support.
But chances of even that are remote. BJP will not accept hegemony of the Gandhi family while Congress cannot compromise on BJP’s hindutva idealogy
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freaky..dangerous… concoction!!
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Not a bad idea at all! After all, Congress also practices soft Hindutva. If only congress can come out of Nehruvian secularist mould, congress and BJP can together do a wonderful job in foreign relations, and internal security. In economic policy, there does not seem to be any significant difference between the two. Most of the leaders of the two parties are good friends. They pretend to be sworn enemies for consumption by public like us.
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>>If only congress can come out of Nehruvian secularist mould, congress and BJP can together do a wonderful job in foreign relations, and internal security. >>
Gururaj,
Are you serious ? :)
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Lord Meghnad Desai originally mooted the idea of BJP-Cong joining hands together to rule India after Mayavati became CM of UP.
Threat of BSP is now much diminished, so much so, if Cong/SP get more seat than BSP in UP, she will be forced to join hands with BJP (she campaigned for Modi after 2002 “worst massacre of minorities in recorded history” in Guj).
People deserve this mismanagement, misgovernance as they choose these types of leaders. Let people pay a massive price (I would even suggest BAN PEOPLE OF KERALA AND WEST BENGAL TO GO OUT OF THE STATE AND WORK IN OTHER STATE). Only then they will understand the real meaning of their vote for change.
Country will go thro’ much worse before it goes better. After all, lotus blooms in mud.
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Palahalli>>It’s well known that the BJS and the BJP got along very well with L.B. Shastri and Narasimha Rao.
Correct. So much so, there was serious effort by Advani/Vajpayee to accept MM Singh as PM during those confusing days of 3rd front.
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That would be sad. And far fetched in the near future.
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“I also visualise seeing more corrupt and unstable governments. ”
WTF?!
Congress and BJP combined, and he can visualize something more corrupt?! Has this ex-RSS dude gone crazy?
Maybe he will next throw in some locals like Mayawati, DG, AIA/DMK into the mix. All politicians unite – you have nothing to lose but your own skins.
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Its not in our hands, it depends on the profitability of the political parties in question.
Nothing is in the hands of the people of India, nothing.
Wake up!!
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Most certainly not. This would be like two rival underworld gangs combining to loot the city together. It’s bad news for the citizens, not that there is much to look forward to either way.
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it does not matter since both the parties are equally corrupt. The congress party does not understand the meaning of the word ‘secular’ since they have assumed it’s all about appeasing minorities and BJP does not understand ‘hinduism’ or religion as they have assumed it’s all about imposing what they think is right.
The congress has done nothing to help the economy, instead it has taken money from the wealth creators and it has distributed that money to uneducated/under performing slumdogs of the country.
BJP on the other hand is equally socialist and they have done a very bad job of telling people where they stand when it comes to economic principles.
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By the way: what’s the REAL difference between BJP and Cong?
Their economic policy is SAME.
Their foreign policy matches 99% (1% difference is rhetoric on Pak).
Their Kashmir Policy is same.
Cong will never challenge Shivaji/Tilak/Savarkar in Maharashtra.
Cong will never challenge Vande-Mataram in West Bengal.
Red Hindu Religious Tika on forehead of Rahul Baba are no less smaller than that is seen on forehead of Advani, Modi.
Actually to many Muslims, BJP is better. Because its WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get), unlike Cong.
Only difference is, unlike Cong, BJP is not dynastic. And its speaks loudly about nationalism what most cong leaders also believe in the same, but can sacrifice that to remain in power.
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Bomma>>Has this ex-RSS dude gone crazy?
RSS does not own trade mark on “Hindutva”. Govindacharyaji may , or may not be officially related with RSS today, but he (or Uma, or Kalyan Singh) will never leave Hindutva fold.
100s of different groups work in different sections of society to spread Hindutva- he does not work in glory of media. But does extremely important work. He is definitely not crazy :)-
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What about ‘Italy Ki Beti’. She is still the cong supremo. Has BJP fallen for the Vatican Conspiracy. What about Gandhi family nepotism. Will the Chaddi brigade support Rahul Baba. How is Cong going to justify the tie up with ‘Communal and Fascist Forces’ and what about Gujrath 2002 and Narendra Bhai Modi.
A Cong + BJP government is a mockery of democracy.
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The way this needs to work is – Cong-BJP should push thru a modification to constitution to make it mandatory for any candidate to win atleast 50% of the casted votes, or there will have to be a recasting of votes between the top two.
This will avoid undeserving candidates winning due to what is popularly called ‘vote split’ through dummy candidates.
First past the poll system is a sure recipe for disaster.
Even better would be for us to have two seperate votes – One for government and another for parliament (almost presidential). This way government will have fixed term mandate, and can be brought down by parliament only if 2/3rds gang-up. So, razor thin majorities and political games will be a history.
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Sleeping with the enemy is not a new idea. If sworn enemies and rival newpapers like ToI and HT can come together to launch Metro Now, run it and close it, why not political parties? Best is to make Somnath Da the PM, Rahul Gandhi the Deputy PM, Arun Jaitley the Home Minister, Pranab (External), Chidambaram for Industry, Sushma Swaraj (Finance), Renuka Chowdhury (Parliamentary Affairs. She will keep all MPs in order), Jaswanth Singh (Defence), Hema Malini (Information and Broadcasting), Kapil Sibal (Law). Venkiah Naidu (Railway). Sonia and Advani could jointly head the political alliance and solve issues at the political level.
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g3s well put.
they both have their purpose as separate entities. but if they mix together, that is a poisonous concoction.
TM. economics and foriegn policy etc are all the same because most of the governance and policy is conducted by career professionals – babus who are all mostly centrists. political parties are mostly the public face of that vast amalgam.
very few ‘policy wonks’ amongst politicians. DG is one – very sections-subsections type of a guy DG is.
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In Maharashtra, Shiv Sena has reportedly snubbed Advani. Thackeray did not give an appointment to Advani, according to press reports.
Which means Shiv Sena is eyeing an alliance with NCP.
Which means BJP is friendless in Maharashtra
Congress is also friendless over there.
So, time for them to come together?
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Not a bad idea after all. When we have seen all kinds of khichdi, hotchpotch and seen them failing, we can give a try for this combination also. Who knows, for the sake of power or in the national interest or whatever reason, this team may turn out to be a successful one in giving some stability in governance, which is badly required at this juncture in our country.
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This is in line with the casteist thinking which dominates Indian politics (and is one of the causes for India’s poverty and stagnation).
Let the politicians in power come together to exclude others for all time. Create a new political caste who will enjoy power forever. etc. It is not surprising that this thought comes from an RSS idealogue.
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>>Somnath Da the PM, Rahul Gandhi the Deputy PM
Shows psycho frenzy on part of Vinay!
Somnath da can’t win even a corporation seat without his party’s support. Ditto is case with Rahul without help of his last name.
We need people who are grass root politicians with ideas of change.
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Simple>>So, time for them to come together in Maha?
If TDP and AIADMK were not wholly routed out in last 2004 election, Cong would have been 30-35 seats less than BJP. NDA would be still ruling India.
Sharad Pawar (Paswan, everybody except probably Lalu) would have been a Central minister under NDA Govt from 2004 happily. Probably with similar portfolios (and they still would have been fighting to get more seats from big brothers !).
This is Indian Tamasha Politics.
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Tarlesubba>>economics and foriegn policy etc are all the same because most of the governance and policy is conducted by career professionals – babus who are all mostly centrists
Sir, I don’t agree with you.
Rajiv Gandhi had biggest mandate, even bigger than Nehru (thanks to soft Hindutva), still could not pursue any meaningful economic reform.
PV had wafer thin margin, rather minority Govt, but made huge change.
Political ability is needed for making such transition. Govt departments, Babus follow the masters. Professionals are appointed depending on policy pursued. They can be hired and fired depending on leader’s need :)-
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TM sir….
no, i m not saying politicians dont make a difference. i said politicians dont make policy. they only decide if a given policy sees the light of the day or not.
in economics. the number of ideas are finite. these are the ideas of babus. depending on which govt comes, some of these will be implemented others not.
perhaps only the communists have people capable of making their own policies. i can only imagine people like yechuri or a shourie or a vajpayee or a PC, MMS actually having any studied opinions or ideas about anything. most others are all tell me what needs to be done, and do it types like laloo. or whimsical idiots like arjun singh or mm joshi or anbumani. or complete idiots like shivraj patil and bhuta singh.
thankfully good number of our babus are not idealogues. even if they are partisan.
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Not sure if this can happen with these parties in the present form. But if a significant number from each party breaks away from both parties then they could join hands.
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I did not add two more riders: One, the Dynasty should be chucked; two, congress should practice internal democracy. At present, BJP is the only national party, which practices internal democracy. Congress can learn at least one lesson from the BJP.
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I have a strong feeling that a certain bokachoda has not been reading the nicknames of commentors properly and hence, in a ‘psycho frenzy’ to post something – anything, is confusing a name which begins with uppercase and does not end with ‘a’, with a name that is completely lowercase and ends with ‘a’.
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Thathaghata
So you say, had TDP and AIADMK not been routed in last election, NDA would have been in power>?
here is what I say,
If congress was not routed in Kerala and Rajasthan, UPA would have become even more powerful
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>>If congress was not routed in Kerala
Kerela fluctuates between Cong and CPIM. It was not first time. NDA had little stake in Kerala.
>>Rajasthan
It was expected that BJP will do well. The reason why election was brought forward by few months by BJP because BJP won famous victory in MP, Rajasthan, Chattisgarh.
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what an Idea Sirji!
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I was thinking of a satirical comment, but the satire about Congress and BJP in my brain choses not to leave. Not stop laughing and writing a script on the whole.
And if they come in a bunch of packerzees!!! Who is going to be the PM? Borat??
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thathaghata Mukherjee
If you think it was expected that cong would do badly in Rajasthan and Kerala, then i must say the same things about NDA partners.
It was expected AIADMK would do badly in Tamil Nadu. Because UPA had six parties with it , and therefore the arithemetic of alliance was with the UPA.
AIADMK was left alone on one side. Probably with BJP also, which has insignificant presence in tamil nadu
nobody in their right mind would have imagined AIADMK would have won last time.
the combined poll percentage of UPA’s poll partners were 25% ahead of AIADMk
Tamil Nadu swings wildly from one alliance to other alliance. Whoever has more alliance partners wins. as simple as that.
It was also expected Naidu would do badly in Andhra because the rural masses were sufferring under the limited vision of Urban focused Naidu.
There was a backlash against Naidu.and several newspapers had foreseen it.
Ten years of relenteless focus on urban areas had marginalised the poor and the rural.
it was expected rural masses would take revenge on Naidu
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Kannadiga:),
I am quite serious. See also my note dated 26.2.2009. I want the Dynasty kicked out and congress become truly democratic party, instead of appointing its leaders and executives. In policy matters concerning economy, social programs and foreign relations, between BJP and Congress, what major differences do you see? Most important area where the two do not see eye to eye is in the matter of security, combat against terrorism vis a vis its effect on Muslims.
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“Most important area where the two do not see eye to eye is in the matter of security, combat against terrorism vis a vis its effect on Muslims.”
– This is indeed the bed-rock of differences.
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Dear Palahalli,
Though the Congress repealed the POTA, after a couple of thousand deaths of Indian citizens at the hands of the terrorists, it brought back almost all the provisions through the backdoor by amendments to the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967. The amended provisions are no less stringent than those of POTA. Congress is a denosaur and takes longer time to sense the stimulus.
As regards security concerns, after 26/11, the Congress has become more hawkish than the BJP ever was.
When it comes to dealing with Muslims, BJP has been no less guilty of appeasement. It gave statutory status to Minorities Commission, so that it was legally empowered to poke its long nose into every matter. I may state here that one of the Commission’s past chairmen, Mr.Justice MH Beg had recommended winding up of the Minorities Commission.
Vajapayee was nicknamed has Hajipayee for enhancing the Haj subsidies during his prime ministership.
Therefore, the differences seem to be superficial.
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Palahalli
What bedrock of differences are you talking about?
BJP has clearly shown that it has outshone Cong when it comes to appeasing minorities.
Latest instance: Gujarat Adminstration appoints a muslim as a top cop .
Clearly, this is a glaring instance of BJP trying to wear the pseudo secular image in order to win elections
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“Clearly, this is a glaring instance of BJP trying to wear the pseudo secular image in order to win elections.”
– Gururaj, I think my friend Simple, sums up the “dilemma”.
I have no real dispute with what you and Simple are saying but there is a real reason why Secular parties of pedigree keep away from the BJP.
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B.N. Gururaj has clearly specified SOME OF THE REASONS for my oft-repeated claim that BJP and congress are more or less the same. Due to lack of time, I cannot type in everything in detail, and can barely manage a few sentences. But yes, these are some reasons that the BJP is no better than congress.
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Vinay is right. BJP and Congress are the same. Both parties are managed by the BRAHMINS. To keep options open, they have formed two national level parties.
Anyway anyone party is in power at any given time. Hence Brahmins are in power at all times.
Brahmins are now worried that if a third front comes to power then they will be pushed out of the hot seat. Hence now they are even trying to cozy up with Mayawati.
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Palahalli
are you nuts?
NDA had 24 parties supporting BJP.
Almost all parties in INdia including JDS and NC and TDP and AIADKM, even Congress (in some north eastern state) has supported BJ, at one point or other.
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There is already a BJP-Congress joint government in the Bellary region :-) !!
Read this:
Deve Gowda to launch apolitical protest to highlight Karnataka-A.P. border issue
http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/04/stories/2009030460000900.htm
Excerpt:
Mr. Gowda alleged that the heads of the governments of both the States and the son of the Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister were supporting the encroachment.
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Simple – I said, “Secular parties of pedigree”, have kept away from the BJP.
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Palahalli
What does ‘secular parties of pedigree’ mean? Can you bring some clarity to your haziness?
Be as crystal clear as Vinay please
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Communist parties/Congress…parties like these.
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More instances of similarity between BJP and Congress
BJP has proved it is a firm believe of dynasty politics
1. CM’s son gets LS ticket from Shimoga
2. BJP minister, Udasi’s son gets ticket from Haveri
3. Ex-CM Bommai’s son is made minister.
4. Two (or three ) or Reddy brothers are in the ministry.
5. Katti brothers are given ticket.
It took 17 years for Nehru to introduce dynasty politics.
It took less than one year for BJP to get into the swing of dynasty politcs in Kaarnataka
Outside Karnataka, BJP has already shown it is a champion of dynasty politics
1. jaswan’t singh son is an MP
2. Vasundhara Raje is daughter of ex union cabinet minister.
3. BJP firmly believes in Gandhi family dynasty – they made Maneka Ganshi a union cabinet minster.
So actually, very little difference between BJP and Cong
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Palahalli
Communists had joined with BJP to support VP singh in 89
Congress has joined with BJP in Sikkim (or some other NE state)
Barring these two, almost all of them have aligned with BJP
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There is no ideology left in both the two political parties. I wish we had a serious third option.
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Have fun Simple :)
No, I won’t say Nehru introduced dynastic politics. It was his father Motilal.
Maneka Gandhi is hardly “Gandhi” family. Remember, she was thrown out by Indira?
Yes, the BJP has taken to such “politics”. Shameful. Not something they should have emulated from the Congress. At least, they (a family) are still far away from getting the stranglehold over BJP that the Gandhi family has over Congress. I don’t see that happening in a hurry though.
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Simple,
The difference between the dynastic politics of Congress and BJP is: Congress is a Single dynastic party ( A Sachin Pilot or Scindia or Deora can never even dream of raising above you-know-who).
The BJP is a multi-dynastic party. There is no single dynasty which is dominant.
The smaller regional parties are also turning out to be dominated by Single dynasties (JD-s, DMK, TDP etc).
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Palahalli
Maneka Gandhi still uses her Gandhi tag. She had never left husband Sanjay Gandhi at the time of his death.
Maneka uses her ‘gandhi’ tag to her advantage, because she knows it sells.
BJP knows Gandhi Tag sells to.
SO they need her and her son.
No wonder they made her a cabinet minister.
Earlier you used to howl about dynasty politics, now that BJP too is getting into the thick of dynasty politics, now you squeal about the ‘intensity’ of strangelhold!
Tsk tsk…..BJP is getting there…..quicker than congress did!
Goldstar
Chuckle
The only PM , BJP has had till now was Vajpaye. and he did not have any son.
So there was no question of a Single Dynasty politics.
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Ashoka
You are right. We seriously need a third viable option. As both Cong and BJP manage to have co-alitions with the smaller parties in turns.
A serious third front with a no compromise kind of attitude would be really welcome, for a strong democracy o thrive.
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Simple – I did not know that in Hindu-Sikh tradition, a widow must disown her husband’s name. Is this true?
Maneka is not a “brought-up” family “leader” like the rest of them. She has always displayed her political bent, and I guess, that came with Sanjay Gandhi. I doubt if she’s very proud of her “Gandhi” tag.
I’m not in the habit of howling and squealing. I’ll leave such art forms to you :)
Another thing, Goldstar is right. Gandhi family continues, PM or no PM. Govt or no Govt.
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Yes!! Such a national government with competents heading ministries would be a welcome change. 5 years like that and our security and financial stability taken care of they can start going separate ways again.
Such a Parliament can enact laws that will prevent oneman parties from forming and dictating outcomes. That is the need of the hour.
We can only pray
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YPala
ou said Indira threw her out of her family. THat does not make Maneka less of a Gandhi.
Sanjay Gandhi never divorced Maneka.
SO naturally Maneka still belongs to the Gandhi family
And so does Varun.
Varun is Sanjay Gandhi’s son.
Indiran Gandhi’s grandson
Nehur’s great grandson.
Rahul Gandhi’s first cousin.
Priyanka’s first cousin
Do you need more for me to prove Varun is a Gandhi family guy.?
If Maneka is not a ‘bought-up’ family leader, then why did BJP induct her into the cabinet>?
you mean to say, they did not have a single hard core, loyal BJP worker who could have got into the cabinet instead of her>
It goes to show paucity of talent in BJP. Or it goes to show how BJP is desperate to use the Gandhi family member in their cabinet.
Sometimes I wonder why I debate with you , who has repeately exhibited such an astounding silliness.
Goldstar is right. So am I.
Sangh Parivar continues, PM or no PM. GOvt. or no Govt.
You, and your ilk and BJP will continue to be chained to the Sangh Parivar forever.
Gandhi Parivar is elected. Sangh Parivar is not elected by the people.
That.
That is the difference between the two.
Unless BJP unshackles itself from this undemocratic parivar, there is little hope for this party
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“then why did BJP induct her into the cabinet?”
– Why not, Simple? And why should her “Gandhi” surname be the only reason? Please paste a link that says she campaigned on the “Gandhi” name.
If you cannot do this, then cease blabbering.
All MPs in the BJP are elected by voters. No one is chained to anybody.
Also, no one in the BJP is assured of becoming the PM just by virtue of being born in a certain family. But, that’s not democracy for you, is it?
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Palahahlli
Do you mean to say that there was not one homegrown, BJP member who could have got a LS ticket in place of Maneka Gandhi?
Was Maneka Gandhi indispensable to BJP?
Lol. Lol.
The sweet truth is, that Gandhi family name works magic. If a Gandhi family member contests from anywhere, any party, he or she wins.
Proof is Maneka Gandhi.
And no. you are wrong.
NOBODY, i repeat NOBODY in BJP CANNNOT become a PM without the consent of the sangh parivar.
No one in the COngres is assured of becoming the PM just by virtue of an outside undemocratic organisation like the RSS. But, that’s democracy, BJP style, for you?
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Simple – You’re correct :)
Good night.
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