The Atlantic Monthly has a 5,625-word profile of the “brightest star in the Hindu-chauvinist Bharatiya Janata Party”, Narendra Damodardas Modi, in its April issue.
Given how infrequently Modi meets the Indian English media, and how petulant he gets when he is asked about 2002, Robert D. Kaplan‘s article offers a rare window into the mind of the “economic dynamo” who “also presided over India’s worst communal riots in decades.”
Kaplan writes that when he met Modi, he wore “traditional paijama pants and a long, elegant brown kurta—ironically, the traditional dress of India imported by the Mughals.”
# “Modi’s hypnotic oratory and theatrical flair have led some to compare him to Adolf Hitler. Certainly he is the most charismatic Indian political leader to emerge since Indira Gandhi in the 1970s…. I have met Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and both Bushes. At close range, Modi beats them all in charisma. Whenever he opened his mouth, he suddenly had real, mesmerizing presence.”
# “Modi is neither Lee Kuan Yew nor Adolf Hitler. He is what he is, a new kind of hybrid politician—part CEO with prodigious management abilities, part rabble-rouser with a fierce ideological following—who is both impressive and disturbing in his own right. While Barack Obama may give hope to millions in the new century, a leader like Modi demonstrates how the century can also go very wrong when charismatic politicians use modern electoral tactics and technology to create and exploit social divisions, and then pursue their political and economic goals with cold bureaucratic efficiency.”
# “I asked him about the contribution of the Muslims, who make up 11 percent of the state’s population. “We are a spiritual, god-fearing people,” he answered. “We are by and large vegetarians. Jainism and Buddhism impacted us positively. We want to create a Buddhist temple here to honor Buddha’s remains.” “He then prompted me for my next question. He had nothing further to say. His terse responses spoke volumes: Muslims, of course, are meat-eaters.”…
# “There were so many ingenious ways Modi could have shown remorse for what happened in 2002 without directly admitting guilt, and he had expressed no interest in doing so. Perhaps it was a Machiavellian ploy: first, allow RSS forces to launch what most neutral observers said was a methodical killing spree in 2002, and then turn toward development after you have used violence to consolidate power and concentrate the minds of your enemies.
“But Machiavelli believed in using only the minimum amount of cruelty to attain a positive collective result, and thus any more cruelty than was absolutely necessary did not, as he put it, qualify as virtue. He is a very driven man, with no personal life, from what I gathered. He exuded power and control. How could he not have been implicated in the 2002 pogrom?, I asked myself.”
# “Is Modi a fascist? Although episodes in his political career and his role in the events of February 2002 suggest as much, the answer is, ultimately, no. “What makes Modi different from Hitler,” explained Prasad Chacko, who heads a local NGO, “is that while Hitler thought fascism the end result of political evolution, Modi knows that Hindutva is only a phase that cannot last, so now he focuses on development, not communal divides.”
Photograph: courtesy The Atlantic Monthly
Read the full article: India’s new face
Also read: Does BJP owe an apology for Gujarat genocide?
This is what happens when Western journalists get too pally with their Indian Secular-Liberal breach-heads and listen to them instead of doing their own kelsa :)
I am familiar with all of these “insights” already.
“Showing remorse for what happened in 2002”, “No personal life”, “cold bureaucratice efficiency”, “Hitler’s charisma”.
To begin with, let Government of India, not Muslims, show remorse for hiding the fact that Muslim atrocities of the Hindus for over seven hundred years has been whitewashed by the hired marxist historians.;
for hiding the true statistics of number of Hindus killed during the partition riots;
for hiding the statistics about how many so called communal riots were commenced by Muslims;
Let the Government of India, as a representative and continuance of all the past governments in India, apologise to the Hindus about the sufference heaped on the Hindus in their own land.
“No personal life”. What have politicians with “personal life” conferred on India? Nehru-Edwina pair? He sold out Hindus during India’s partition for a fling with Edwina. All those petty politicians who are driven by the aphrodiasic of power, including the specimens in Namma Karnataka. Would we rather have politicians who have a roll-a-day in the haystack than someone who is dedicated to his public responsibilities?
“cold bureaucratic efficiency”. Is something wrong in being competent? Is it a vice? This was what Rajiv Gandhi with his team of management experts sought to do, but did not succeed anywhere near that of Modi. Westerners can say as they please – they want a floundering and weak India. At least, we Indians should be proud of Modi’s achievements in economy and social developments, even if we disagree with Modi’s politics.
“charisma of Hitler”. People who cannot deliver four grammatically correct sentences before a crowd might compare an orator to Hitler. The extract reads like a sour grapes case. After listening to mumbling speeches of Dr.Manmohan “timid” Singh for fifteen years, I would find anyone else in public life, including Karnataka politicians who end their sentences with “takkantha” more than eloquent.
Going by the extract, the article seems like another anti-Indian tirade by people who are afraid of India’s growing prowess.
Tell me what’s the role of Fossil Fuel in Gujarat riots?
Other than being the cause for death of Ram Sevaks at Godhra(strewn from inside or outside)?
Was Hitler’s genocide only about that stupid racial superiority assumption?
The Gujjus are unstoppable when it comes to their survival, especially the economic kind.
Some 125 years back, Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, prophet of Indian Nationalism (as stated by Sri Aurobindo) once wrote : “All coins are false unless it bears the stamp of a Western Mint”.
To our English media, the last word is spoken by Western media. Not what 10s of millions INDIAN fans of Mahatma Narendra Modi says. Or his voters.
Same tradition of slavishness is still being continued.
When we were wondering what took Churmuri so long to put up a customary post, bashing Modi, here we go !!
Churmuri does not disappoint you at all when it comes to Hindu bashing :) It is like a clock work..In two days we have hindu bashing at local as well as national level..
I read through the 5,000-odd article but didn’t find any new insights about Modi. It is ridiculous for the writer to be using a quote from a local NGO head to declare that Modi doesn’t focus on communal divides anymore but on development! 2002 so deeply divided Gujarat that nobody needs to do anything more.
It is indeed preposterous of the writer to be talking of Modi and Indira Gandhi in the same breath. She had her faults but Indira Gandhi certainly didn’t use hatred to enhance her appeal. Moreover, there is little evidence to prove that Modi’s “charisma” (I always thought the word has a positive connotation) extends significantly beyond Gujarat.
And about Modi’s being an “economic dynamo,” speak to the ordinary Gujarati and he/she would tell you that the state’s economic development precedes Modi. His stint in power coincided with India’s overall growth story, and like all “forward-looking” states, Gujarat too benefited from it. Yes, his dictatorial style of governance has suited certain industrial groups well and today they are his best amabassadors. In Gujarat, if you catch Modi’s fancy you get what you need and without red tape. No wonder the industry loves him.
I am sure Churumuri readers wouldn’t have missed anything if Robert Kaplan’s article wasn’t published.
“what 10s of millions INDIAN fans of Mahatma Narendra Modi says”
I have conflicting opinions about Modi – not sure what to make out of him. But ‘Mahatma’ is going a little too far.
And hark! From the past few articles I am able to see a few freshly inducted members in the Bokachoda brotherhood. Anything spoken against Modi is called “Hindu bashing”. This is yet another trademark quality of the brotherhood. As though Modi is the 10th incarnation of Vishnu himself!!!!
Vinay – ““brightest star in the Hindu-chauvinist Bharatiya Janata Party””
– Makes it a (anti) Hindu propaganda issue that requires sound thrashing by the bokachoda bro’hood.
Please bow to proper comprehension sometimes at least :)
On the other hand perhaps you would like make public you’re conflicting opinions about Modi and have them discussed?
I did not know the village idiot is lurking in the sidelines to spew his customary venom on this board :)
>>It is ridiculous for the writer to be using a quote from a local NGO head to declare that Modi doesn’t focus on communal divides anymore but on development! >>
Prasad Chacko in all probabilities will be christist NGO activist, spreading the religion of love in Dangs, in the guise of helping the poor tribals.
Chrumuri’s fixation with @Modi’ continues and I thot Churumuri was all about Mysore and Kannada!!!
Machiavelli is a compelling (and short) read for anyone. And for people who are aspiring for power it must be a godsend. Wonder how he compares to chanakya in this regard.
The whole text of his “Prince” is here:
A small excerpt:
“And you have to understand this, that a prince, especially a new one, cannot observe all those things for which men are esteemed, being often forced, in order to maintain the state, to act contrary to faith, friendship, humanity, and religion. Therefore it is necessary for him to have a mind ready to turn itself accordingly as the winds and variations of fortune force it, yet, as I have said above, not to diverge from the good if he can avoid doing so, but, if compelled, then to know how to set about it.
For this reason a prince ought to take care that he never lets anything slip from his lips that is not replete with the above-named five qualities, that he may appear to him who sees and hears him altogether merciful, faithful, humane, upright, and religious. There is nothing more necessary to appear to have than this last quality, inasmuch as men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, because it belongs to everybody to see you, to few to come in touch with you. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them; and in the actions of all men, and especially of princes, which it is not prudent to challenge, one judges by the result.”
“Mahatma Narendra Modi.” haha, nice joke, Tathagata.
Modi has dared to be different in a country, where every petty politician thinks pro-minoritism is the only way to political nirvana – ie., power. He is the only politician who has dared to be pro_Hindu and has not paid the price of losing power. He is better than the yellow-bellied BJP leaders who rode to power on pro-Hindu sentiments, but hide their tail between leg, every time a pseudo secularist blows his horn. Modi has been more than a rabel-rouser and orator. He is an achiever. This is rather unsettling for India-bashing and Hindu bashing westerners, not to speak of our Psecs in Politics and Media.
Rajiv Gandhi once said, “I don’t care for barking dogs”. Modi has put this dictum into practice.
Modi must love this article and thanking, Churumuri, for publishing this… Remember the “campaign” against Modi before the Gujarat elections last year. All that achieved was Modi upping the ante against English media, Westerners, Outsiders, whateever and appeal to the voters on the basis of “Gujarati Asmita”. For politicians, any publicity is good publicity
When will Churumuri and other English media learn that IGNORING your enemies is the best way to defeat them?
Helidanne helo kisbai daasa antaralla haagaytu churumuri kathe. :)
No doubt Modi is the most popular political leader in India. You love him or hate him. But, nobody can match his charisma.
nagarajbs>>And about Modi’s being an “economic dynamo,” speak to the ordinary Gujarati and he/she would tell you that the state’s economic development precedes Modi. His stint in power coincided with India’s overall growth story, and like all “forward-looking” states, Gujarat too benefited from it. ….
1) You know why Hindutva grew in Gujarat? Harish Khare, noted psuedo secular journo, was forced to say some of those reasons:
“Latif, the infamous goon of that time used to decide who will be the Police Commissioner, he alleged. He terrorized the general people which made them actually go towards the BJP which offered them a good, efficient, and fearless governance. It also help the BJP portray itself as the protectors of the Hindu interests at that time.”
BJP propagated and offered to the Gujarati public its vision of Ram Rajya as opposed to the Congress’s Latif Rajya.
2) Facts, stats don’t support your claim. Guj has grown 12% in Agriculture in last 5 years, while avg in India is 2%. Industry also grew in similar way. Growth in Guj in late 80s-early 90s was nowhere close to what has been seen last 8-10 years.
3) If Modi did not provide development, why psuedos take his name everyday? WHY NOT PLAY POLITICS OF DEVELOPMENT IN GUJARAT (and rest of India)? why harping Guj 2002 every day? Why play votebank politics? Why rhetoric of “Maut Ka Saudagar”, and when Modi retorts back- all hell break loose for psuedos.
4) Guj has seen MUCH MUCH bigger riots than 2002. A week before Gandhi’s birth centenary, Ahmedbad riots saw more than 2500 deaths. Who was ruling then? Modi was 10 years old. Neille, Delhi 1984, Bhagalpur, Mumbai, Jabbalpur- all seen riots where at least 2-3 times that of Guj 2002 were killed. Who was ruling then?
5) it does not need a PhD to understand if minority votebank politics, govt policy framed based on religion, illegal infiltration, jihadi terrorism, organized conversion…refuse to follow rule of law (IMDT etc) continue, as well as abuse of anything to do with Hinduism, Hindutva rank will always be swelling.
Future is indeed clouded. Tolerance at grass root taking a long term beating. We will see economic growth, material prosperity- but social tolerance will be much less. psuedos are primarily responsible for this, in my opinion.
nagarajbs>>It is indeed preposterous of the writer to be talking of Modi and Indira Gandhi in the same breath.
Indira did play Hindu Card many times- read articles of Praveen Swami on J&K politics. Cong’s 1984 win was a Hindutva win. Rajiv started Ayodhya, but got hopelessly outsmarted by Advani. It will be safe to say: Rajiv’s future generation(s) will also play same card to remain in power. Indira did massive damage to Indian economy by control-permit raj. Emergency was biggest attack on Indian democracy.
neevu bareyo bhaashe nimma hesaru (vinay) ge shobhe taruvantahudalla.Agreed, you are one of the most coherent commentors here but your ‘Teesta’ish romping here and in the chaplin post makes me wonder whether you are one of the members of ‘brotherhood’ on the otherside of the divide.I’ll stop short of naming the ‘other’ brotherhood though I can think of scores of rhyming words ;)
Well, the one-track mind of the Brotherhood never ceases to amaze me. Anyone who dares to advocate anything that is not in their agenda is branded ‘communist comrade’ or ‘jihadi’. Never mind the fact that I am one of the staunchest advocates of capitalism and corporate India, and have made enough fun of commies to give hours of entertainment. I am automatically a ‘comrade’ because I speak against fringe lunatic Hindutva elements. Never mind the fact that I am a practicing Hindu, I’m automatically a ‘jihadi’ because I dislike the aggressive violent Hindutva that has begun brewing these days. I think this individual has had excessive exposure to narcoanalysis causing irreversible side-effects to his brain and other vital organs.
“On the other hand perhaps you would like make public you’re conflicting opinions about Modi and have them discussed?”
I would like to, but not here, where I know that the Brotherhood has an overpowering presence, effectively ensuring that extremely biased views will be put forward. I don’t trust the views of people who have shown themselves to be incapable of judging situations objectively and rationally, and who are filled with irrational venom-spewing hate.
“neevu bareyo bhaashe nimma hesaru (vinay) ge shobhe taruvantahudalla. Agreed, you are one of the most coherent commentors here but your ‘Teesta’ish romping here and in the chaplin… ”
Aithu guru, in one Chaplin thread, maybe the issue was blown a little out of proportion. What about all other issues where members of the Brotherhood have been acting as apologists for scoundrels and scum? The hallmark of the Brotherhood is that anyone who claims to be working for ‘protection of Hindu culture’ will be placed on a pedestal, irrespective of any other shit they do.
U pre-empted me!
Something that speaks about what you have mentioned in great detail
Let us know a mosque in your vicinity or anywhere where there is anti india propoganda. Verify facts before you comment. Mosques are places for pure religious discourses.
I hate vegetarians because they single out the parts (and especially reproductive organs – grains,etc) of plants to eat.
I hate vegetarians because they single out the parts (and especially reproductive organs – grains,etc) of plants to eat.
Modi and BJP should drop their support for hardline “Accept my version of Hinduism or else…” form of Hindutva. And I don’t see how saying this is ultra-liberal.
Any ideology taken to extreme where you try to force it on other person is extremism, and anyone who says I am ok with what you believe is liberal. An ultra-liberal would be one who says “you can’t be conservative”, which is in reality another form of extremism!!
I have always like BJP, for the quality of leadership it provided. It had Vajpayee who acted as a moderating force. But, past him, it seems like BJP is loosing its anchor.
Modi – He’d have been an excellent PM for India, if only he didn’t condone the violence in Gujarat. Development can’t be everything when a leader has a shadow looming on his head. It is unlikely that he’ll garner the support needed to ever become a PM with his track record, as most political parties will be affraid to be associated with him, just as they are with LKA (due to his involvement in Ayodhya).
Wonder what Varun was smoking when he gave that speech? A Modi Beedi, perhaps!
Mahatma Gandhi decided to convert India’s freedom struggle into Khilafat movement. When he decided to stop the movement on account of Chouri Choura fire, it lead to spate of communal riots throughout the country, especially in Malabar region and Rawalpindi region. Perhaps, lot more Hindus were killed by the Moplas and other rioting muslims than the number of Muslims killed in post-Godhra riots. But, Mahatma has continued to remain a Mahatma.
Harkol>>Modi – He’d have been an excellent PM for India, if only he didn’t condone the violence in Gujarat. Development can’t be everything when a leader has a shadow looming on his head.
They used to say same about Advani ! Now, BJP has concluded seat sharing with ALL allies except BJD, while Cong could not make seat sharing EVEN WITH ONE ALLY :)-
If Yogendra Yadav(no friend of BJP), is to be believed, some 70% in India believe (he stated thin in 2004 in an interview with the Anandabazar Patrika, #1 Bengali Daily) had there been NO GODHRA, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO POST GODHRA ! This number has grown after Mumbai terror events.
Rajiv had bigger, much bigger blood on his hands. He actually stated- when Big tree falls, earth shakes. What is Modi’s crime? Did he ever say anything of that sort?
What is Sharad Pawar’s record? He was defense minister while Mumbai burnt in 1990s. It took 7 days for Indian army to reach, but in case of Guj 2002, it reahed very next day. 35% of those killed were Hindus.
Which Court has indicted Modi?
Even after all these, there may be people who will whip up minoity communal passion against Modi for votebank. And there wll be psuedos who will go by that as they did on Shah Banu- but its NOT rule of law, its blatant pampering of minority sentiment (that too not all, because many muslims have spoken up FOR MODI in recent times).
Modi bashing is blatant votebank politics. Its cost to minority is more than majority- because SEVELOPMENT IS SECULAR. When water flows thro’ the Sabarmati, it does serve both Hindus and Muslims.
Stopping Modi for votebank will also invite predictable backlash as happened in Shah Banu, Ayodhya.
Guru>>Mahatma Gandhi decided to convert India’s freedom struggle into Khilafat movement…
Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay, pre eminent Indian novelist (whose books outsell that of Tagore by 2:1 even today in Bengal) made an interesting comment on those days… (Sarat Babu was head of Congress Party in the Howrah district then. He resigned in protest of Gandhiji;s support to Khilafat movement).
“this Hindu-Muslim problem will be resolved in a single day when Hindus unite…..” (It was a speech given as a president of Bengal literary conference).
It was a damn good speech- unfortunately, very few RSS guys know abot that as his speeches/letters not got translated widely.
We also should note, RSS WAS FORMED AFTER GANDHIJI SUPPORTED KHILAFAT. Savarkar also cameback from Jail because of Khilafat.
>>I hate vegetarians because they single out the parts (and especially reproductive organs – grains,etc) of plants to eat.
The vegetrianism of Modi is a political mobilization technique. Nothing more, nothing less.
In our part of India, we follow Shakta, worship Shakti. Male Goats are sacrificed before the Goddess (Durga, Kali, Tara…) and treated as a “prasada”.
Fish is intrinsic part of 10 day Durga Puja in many parts of bengal.
I am a fish eating, meat eating (except beef) Hindu. Probably will not get house in a society who are veg. However, I wouldn;t fight like psuedos, because I respect their dietary habit.
Veg foods are not bad- its BETTER than non-veg. But its difficult to cook. My daughter however is a vege, by choice.
I should add:
The vegetrianism of Modi is a political mobilization technique. Nothing more, nothing less. Its NOTHING RELIGIOUS.
Vinay, I think that’s a pretty bland and inane observation.
I would think arguments hold-up or fall on merits and not on any kind of group composition.
“I don’t trust the views of people…blah blah bla..” is you’re opinion without any basis.
Additionally, why should you be sensitive to abuses of being “Communist” when you have never been sensitive enough about bracketing folks within you’re “Brotherhood”. Have you ever bothered to define what this grouping means based on facts?
When you’re on an open forum, please learn to expect to be opposed hard.
On this very thread, Tathagata and the rest of the famed “brotherhood” have made some very valid arguments. Let’s see if you can refute them logically.
Tathagatha Mukherjee writes in response to my post: “Facts, stats don’t support your claim. Guj has grown 12% in Agriculture in last 5 years, while avg in India is 2%. Industry also grew in similar way. Growth in Guj in late 80s-early 90s was nowhere close to what has been seen last 8-10 years.”
I agree that Gujarat grew at a much faster clip in the last 8-10 years as compared to the 1990s. But that’s exactly my point. Overall, India’s growth during the same period has been the best in history. Gujarat, as also Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, and Andhra Pradesh, contributed to and benefited from this growth story. It is also true that Gujarat didn’t too badly either in the decade of the 90s when it grew at an average of 7.7 per cent annually. This is what I meant when I said that Gujarat’s industrial and economic development precedes Modi.
And about Tathagatha’s observation that Indira Gandhi also played the communal card, I would like to say that she didn’t pit one community against the other like Modi did. Not that she was an angel but she didn’t need to. Also, my point was that Indira’s appeal was pan-Indian. Tathagatha would agree that Modi pales in comparison. Don’t get me wrong, I did say that she had her faults. The excesses of the Emergency will forever remain a blot.
But, Tathagatha, please don’t defend 2002 on the ground that there were bigger riots in history. That is simply no justification.
nagarajbs – I don’t think Tatagatha is justifying 2002 much less ignoring bigger riots that have occurred before under Secular dispensations.
If one wants to take 2002 to impale Modi, then one must be prepared to impale a whole bunch of others including Indira and Rajiv, posthumously of course.
Here, we are also ignoring the unique dynamic of a “riot” in this country. I think riots will remain part of our lives only because of the manner hugely different people have been forced to live “together”, thanks to Secular-Liberalism. To ignore this simple fact is to run from reality.
There are folks like Julio Rebeiro who take a highly technical view of “riot control”. They say any riot can be controlled within the first few hours of it starting. All well and good but only until the next occurrence.
Riots in India are a symptom of a much deeper malaise whose possible solution the Liberal establishment will just not countenance because it will be hard. That is why they like to simplistically lay the blame on Hindu mobilization.
A fact one has to acknowledge is that a majority of riots have been started by Muslims even though they are the ones who suffer the most during it.
I’d like to know why.
Oppose, abuse, fret and fume, jump in rage, tear your hair – do whatever you want. I am not ‘sensitive’ about being branded ‘communist’ or anything else – it just reinforces my belief that members of the Brotherhood have a one track mind. With each new comment of this sort that the Brotherhood makes, I get more and more convinced that I am up against people who have no sense of rationality.
“is you’re opinion without any basis. ”
Do you know what an ‘opinion’ means? Do you want me to provide a loooooong list of all the irrational crap that your brotherhood has posted here in the past, to prove my point? But hey, my doing that will be a complete waste of time for reasons mentioned above!!
“I would think arguments hold-up or fall on merits and not on any kind of group composition.”
Oh yeah, as Gandhiji preached, non-violence and satyagraha is the best way to win a battle. While I would give this a try against the American or British governments, I wouldn’t try this against the taliban or the Saudi regime. Your brotherhood is irrational and raving mad, completely and thoroughly convinced about certain stuff, unwilling to observe and recognize merits of the other side.
And finally, writing 3 page long posts to prove a point is not my thing – I don’t do this for a living, neither do I ‘multitask’ as well as you do.
Vinay…was that a response ? :) Who’s sounding like a fanatic now?
“No one kicks a dead dog”. This was what Eleanor Roosvelt, the wife of Franklin D Roosvelt said, as she was a person who was regularly attacked by the media. She had the stuff which attracted attention and criticism.
The fact that so many pseudo secularists feel compelled to criticise and abuse Modi shows that for them, is not any more a symbol of Hindu assertiveness. His achievements in public life and electoral politics has shaken congress et al. Given another opportunity in Gujarat politics, he will re-write the history of electoral politics. The pseudos are afraid of his future staturer rather than his past achievements.
Incidentally, the commentators on this article have been abusing the terms like genocide and pogrom. These terms, borrowed from modern european history is reserved for the kind of killings that took place in Europe under Stalin and Hitler, and genocide of Armenians in turky between 1917 and 1920. Systematic killing of millions of people, mass graves at Katin in Poland and the like. Abuse of these terms is an affornt to the survivers fo holocaust.
In India, probably, congress is responsible for more bloodshed than Modi ever has been. Single example will suffice: Anti-Sikh riots after Indira Gandhi’s assasination. Over three thousand people were killed by congress hooligans, as compared to 790 persons killed in post-Godhra riots (now revised to little over 1000).
Kannada proverb: Thamma thatttelli katte sattu biddide; bareyavara tatteya nona toristare!.
Raising communal feelings and instigating violence is not a new thing. All political parties are responsible for this. Be it the partition of India, the communal atrocities thereafter, post Indira Gandhi riots, Godhra and thereafter, Mangalore incidents or the present Varun Gandhi case.
These incidents not only highlight the political aspirations of the parties,but also the innocence and gullibility of the masses to succumb to such kind of false propoganda.
We,the masses should be knowledgeble enough to see through the masks these politicians wear. Unless and until we evolve as a society intellectually, all political parties will be using the eloctorate as a commodity which can be twisted to any shape.
I really yearn for a knowledgable majority electorate to evolve,as like the western world.
Yes, ‘genocide’, ‘pogrom’ etc. are incorrect and too high to be used in this case, agreed.
Kingkhan – All politicians emerge from our society. None come from outer space.
Riots occur in our country because of the nature of its composition.
Australia, France, Britain, The Netherlands etc etc are now on the same highway.
I beg to differ. Blaming riots on the nature of composition of society, is truely preposterous.
You mean to say people of different cultures cannot live together? I beleive you should first convince yourself and then
try to convince others.
I blame the politicians and to a certain extent the media, for creating this kind of an atmosphere. Politicians are desperately craving to create a controversy, for publicity. For ex. Varun Gandhi, a political no-one shoots in the limelight for abusing minority. Probably he will win the election too. But tell me honestly are we voting this guy on merit?
Do we need to stoop so low and hit under the belt for winning an election. Okay this term you win, but what next? Are you capable of delivering the goods?
My dear friend.. all this is going to lead us to a state of Anarchy. I can’t help but look across our western border to compare our present situation. If we dont realise our predicament, we shall fall over the brink. I hope you guys realize that.
Kingkhan – Why is it preposterous?
There are cultures that simply cannot co-exist. Hindus and Muslims are prime examples.
Yes, there are exceptions and they are that; exceptions.
Blaming politicians has become an excuse. It’s like blaming the British for their divide and rule policy.
What or who can anybody divide that is not divisible already?
Was there great camaraderie before Varun Gandhi’s supposedly incendiary speech? Fact is there wasn’t.
“tell me honestly are we voting this guy on merit?”
tell me honestly .. are we voting *anyone* on merit :)
“I blame the politicians and to a certain extent the media,”
Perfectly right. The media is just as irresponsible as the politicians.
-“There are cultures that simply cannot co-exist. Hindus and Muslims are prime examples”
I just don’t know what to reply to such a statement. I wish there was a solution, where all muslims just vanished from the face of Earth. But unfortunately, for people like you,there isint.
Probably you have a solution in mind..Please elaborate.
Kingkhan – There can be only one solution and that would be to acknowledge the pre-eminent civilizational basis of Hinduism in India.
Yes, it is very difficult if not impossible for Muslims to adjust to this reality and that is why, perhaps,you speak instead, of vanishing.
But one thing is clear. It is going to become increasingly difficult for Muslims to piggy-back on Liberals and shoot from their shoulders. They must now come to the table themselves and discuss terms.