For the son of a former police constable to make the second-highest offering to Lord Venkateshwara at Tirumala after the kings of Vijayanagar is quite an achievement indeed. But the offering of a 2-foot-tall diamond-studded golden crown weighing 34 kilogram and worth Rs 45 crore by the Karnataka tourism minister G. Janardhan Reddy raises troubling questions.
The first is the mind-numbing ostentation of a public representative with none of his brethren questioning its propriety. The second is the source of the funds for a donation of this size with none of the authorities questioning it. Reddy and his mining brothers have ravaged and pillaged the divine designs of nature in Bellary district to make their trillions. Will even a dozen diamond-studded gold crowns make up for the irreparable damage?
And above all, there is the standard question about temple (and church and mosque and fill-your-place-of-worship-here) donations. Despite Tirupati’s hoary past, are obscene donations like these to already-rich places of worship the only way to earn divine sanction for deeds past, present and future? Or is this nouveau rich madness without a method?
Also read: Madness, megalomania or hard-earned fruits?
churumuri 
It is absolutely okay. Dumb people get only dumb leaders. What did you expect? Reddy to be a Obama? I am waiting for some right wingies to come and sh*t here. You don’t have to prove that they are dumb, they will do it for you.
And whats that third option? You can’t fool the one above? If at all there is one above, by now anyone with some logic left would have realised that he is the biggest fool.
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And BJP asks why they lost the elections nationwide? They should really be questioning how did they manage to hold on to Karnataka.
BJP was such an attractive proposition once. Today it is as corrupt as congress with some other side effects too.
Wonder where have all the honest to goodness principled BJP men have gone. Mahajan perhaps started this process and Reddy’s will perhaps complete it.
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perhaps churumuri can commission an investigation into the legitimacy of funds that went into the purchase of such an offering? btw, mr. reddy came to tirumala with an entourage of one rolls royce (with him and his kiritam in it), one toyota land cruiser, four black scorpios full of his goons and one white amby with his armed security guards. the windfall of profits from mining in bellary will astonish anyone from tippeswamy the kadlekai seller to ratan tata to bill gates.
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What is the point of it all?
This is absurdly ostentatious! Can someone point me to a report how these Reddy brothers amassed such wealth in such a short time? Is this guy paying any wealth tax?
It is gestures like these that enhance Tirupati’s ‘reputation’ and diminishes Hinduism. I have been to Tirupathi twice and I have been sick to the stomach looking at the vulgarity of money bags getting special ‘darshana’ and shit! Henceforth and forthwith I will never bother going there unless all these gold trappings and diamond encrusted jewelery is removed.
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Excellent commentary, Churumuri.
Mr. Reddy has not only pillaged the environment (which in my view should be a capital crime given the precarious state of Karnataka’s forests/wildlife). Mr. Reddy and his notorious family have blocked proposals for new iron-and-steel plants — that’s how they protect their source of export income. They have caused untold losses to the state of Karnataka, because our iron ore has to be exported to South Korea and Japan and then purchased back as finished steel.
If Mr. Yediyurappa drops the Reddys from his government — and prosecutes them to the full extent of the law after a quick and proper investigation by the Lok Ayukta — I am certain the Reddys will cause Yeddi’s government to fall.
But I am equally certain that, if that happens, in the ensuing Vidhan Sabha election the people of Karnataka will reward Yeddi with a greater majority for the BJP — so that he won’t need the support of rogues such as the Reddys.
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DB,
They don’t care if you boycott Tirupati or not. As long as the money bags keep contributing part of their ill gotten gains to them. Call it the wealth tax.
As you probably know, most mining activity is done illegally and with full connivance of the local authorities. Nothing will change as long as people don’t stand up and fight for what they think is right and not fall prey to the tactics of these villains.
Until then like Abhi says – dumb people get what they deserve, in fact they may prefer people like Reddy to others.
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Tirupati Venkateswarannu Kalla mathu Reddy brothersu kallru
So nothing special about it
Vasanth
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I blame the “pseudo-secular” brigade for this.
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In one of his public speaches J Reddy declared his DAILY income is Rs 5 crores. (or was it 50? 500?)
In such case 48 cr is peanuts.
And Edukondalavada should be given his cut, isnt it? not even 0.5 %.
Now if flashy billionaires round the world have all sorts of itches why not Reddy have this?
Let him give no objection at all.
will he spend same amount on developing his constituency? Nah! whose-father-what -goes if the govt does not sanction grants for his constituency? why should he spend his money for people? are they gods?
have you seen Bellary roads? but then J Reddy the Richie Rich does not travel by road. so … its better to donate gold to Tirupati to cover the walls so that these poor people can feast their eyes.
Govindaa… gooovinda…
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Its his own money and his faith..so what is wrong?
Is it okay to keep 172000 crores in Swiss banks and Congress not do anything about it?
Is it okay to spend 200 crores every year to send 90000 bhaktas to Haj every year using tax payer money?
see here: http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_print.asp?id=407522
“While 83,298 pilgrims performed Haj in 2005, 75,139 people visited Mecca in 2004 and 72,634 in 2003, he said adding government spent Rs 179.66 crore, Rs 160.70 crore and Rs 172.63 crore towards subsidy for the pilgrimage for the respective years.”
TAXPAYER MONEY FOR HAJ AND SWISS BANKS = WOKAY
PERSONAL MONEY FOR TIRUPATI = NAAT WOKAY
Eny yenu nyaya samee?
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While we are at it, how about a whitepaper from the Government on where the Hundi collections end up ?
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Hope the other Reddy that is YSR does not give Thirumala funds to Missioneries!
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RJ,
I agree and I insist that the Haj subsidy should be stopped pronto. Swiss banks should be busted to recover Indian politicians black money. IMHO Dirty rushed his son HD Murugan to Sonia’s feet to buy insurance against any such inquiries into his family’s ill-gotten wealth lodged probably in Swiss bank? Even Dirty in his wildest dreams knew fully well he had no chance of getting a minister’s post for his Murugan!
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YSR is no 1 kalla of all times! I think YSR’s chaddi dosthi Reddy planning to topple yeddy govt in Karnataka.
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As long as we have Reddy Janadhans (above), we continue to have Janardhan Reddys.
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You cannot donate to God, what already belongs to him.
The diamonds and gold are a creation of God.
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this crown is advance tax toward a firm called Bhramani, co owned by ap cms son. Said to employ 23,000
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I wonder why such a hue and cry is being raised over this issue. If anyone is so bloody concerned, they can file a PIL in the court asking for the tax records of Reddy Brothers. If there is anything wrong with it, they can take actions against them. For evading the tax, not for gifting something to a temple.
On the question of environment, what have these noble souls who are crying foul have done? Anything concrete (Pun unintended)? Hell, there was mining licences which were given by the government. Reddy brothers had it. And they made money. Anything wrong??
So any right minded person will ask these questions instead of whining about the donation made.
1. Are the mining contracts given to Reddy brothers legal?
2. Are they paying all kinds of taxes to the government for their mining business?
3. Are they declaring all incomes they have earned and paid income tax/wealth tax?
It is easy to find out all these answers, RTI comes quite handy to those who want to find out. So find out. If they have erred, punish them. Slap taxes with interest and penalty on them. Make sure they pay every single paise they owe the government.
Once they pay their dues to the government in the form of taxes, who are we to question them as to how they spend their money??
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ಅಲ್ಲ ಸಾರ್, ಅದೇನೋ ಹೇಳ್ತಾರಲ್ಲ…. ಅಡಿಕೆ ಕದ್ದರೂ ಕಳ್ಳ… ಆನೆ ಕದ್ದರೂ ಕಳ್ಳ, ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಕಳ್ಳರು ನಮ್ಮ ಭೂಮಿತಾಯಿ ಒಡಲನ್ನು ಕದಿಯುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ!!
ನಮ್ಮ ಹಣೆಬರಹ ಸಾರ್… ಇದನ್ನೆಲ್ಲಾ ನೋಡಬೇಕು!!
ಗೋವಿಂದಾ ಗೋವಿಂದಾ!!
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I am glad some cheddi raised Haj issue, though unrelated, but for an “Hindu” raised on a diet of victim hood, no discussion is complete without it.
No am not raising 100’s of crores given to mutts by yeddi for his cheddi swamis, which are part of my taxes in showing “equal equal”.
What I do want to drill in your brain is the Haj subsidy is nothing but the discount fare offered by the airline. The same discount fare,if any one of you traveled should know the actual fare is discount of the listed based on the season and demand. So if the listed fare for Jeddah is Rs35,000 AirIndia offer price is Rs14,000-16,000/ for a captive market of some 70,000 pilgrims. This is not subsidy but a business sense for Airindia. Any airline would glad to offer these kind of discount for such a large group booking.
Anyway no Airline charge full listed price on any route, they always give discount or as you cheddis say “subsidy”.
Try a group booking for Kailash parbat or mansarovar for say 25,000 cheddis/ karsevak “liberators”, even the Chinese communists will glad to offer half the price!!!
For they know Business.
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Khan saab, you are no different from the “cheddis” that you are trying to critisize. Govt is paying for the “discount fare”.
Go through this –
Haj subsidy is subsidy in airfare given to the Indian Haj pilgrims. The Haj pilgrims going through Haj Committee of India are offered subsidy/concession in airfare. It is paid by the Government of India to Air India.
In the year 2007, the Haj subsidy paid by Indian government was Rs. 595 crore, and for 2008 it was Rs. 700 crore. Since 1994 the round trip cost to Jeddah has been fixed at Rs. 12,000 per pilgrim, and the rest of the bill is footed by the government. In 2007, this difference came to Rs. 47,454 per passenger.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_subsidy
This country is hijacked by religious fanatics of one kind or other.
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Khan
Even I didnt know that. Way to go bro!
As you rightly pointed out, it makes bussiness sense to the airlines.
If Air India is not happy, then any other Air line company will be ready to
offer the discounts.
Hope others are satisfied that the Haj pilgrims are not eating their taxes.
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Which news paper or magazine or free lance journalist or NGO activist will investigate into the wealth generation capabilities of Reddy brothers and his like?
It is true that when some one donates Rs 45 crores worth of kirit to the “god”, he must have at least Rs 4500 crores. How many will give 10% of their wealth to GOD at any given time excepting he is ready to kick the bucket and go towards heaven? At best one may give 1% or about that. Then the question is how did Reddy brothers generate that kind of wealth?
I am sure Reddy brothers are bright enough to realize that when they donate that kind of money, it will open the eyes of income tax people, media etc and he may be exposed. Still they did it. Why? Do they think they are above the law?
Finally how many of us (including me) are prepared to take up this cause? Why?
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Abhi ,
Ur’s is perhaps the sweetest and the shortest counter comment :-) RJ breeds JR or viseversa…..Oh Btw huttadallihutta , u sound to be reasonably well learned and intellectually superior than most of the comment brigade. Please file the PIL, the whole of churumuri will be with you, rest assured except one certain RJ!!!!!!
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ಸ. ರಾಯರೇ,
ನೀವು ಅಂದಂತೆ ಅಡಿಕೆ ಕದ್ದರೂ ಕಳ್ಳ… ಆನೆ ಕದ್ದರೂ ಕಳ್ಳನೆ ತಾನೆ? ಜನಾರ್ಧನ ರೆಡ್ಡಿ ಯವರ ಆಲೋಚನೆ – ಸಣ್ಣ ಕಳ್ಳತನ ಮಾಡುವುದಕ್ಕಿಂತ, ರಾಜ್ಯವನ್ನೇ ಕೊಳ್ಳೆ ಹೊಡೆದು ಕಳ್ಳ ಎನ್ನಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದು ಲೇಸು ಅಲ್ಲವೇ?
:-)
ಇಷ್ಟಕ್ಕೂ ಉಳಿದವರೇನು ಕಡಿಮೆ ಕಳ್ಳರಲ್ಲ. ನಮ್ಮ ಹಣೆಬರಹ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿಲ್ಲ – ನಮ್ಮ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ನಾಯಕರುಗಳು ಎಲ್ಲ ಬರಿ ಒಳ್ಳು.
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@Abhi
Check the fare for an “individual” to Saudi arabia with Jet airlines and Compare that to IATA Fare. why do Jet giving “subsidy” on its ticket to Saudi??? Appeasing the Muslims!!!
If jet were to get the block contract how much discount would they offer???
But then again logic has no use in the face of Bigotry.
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@Abhi
Am not getting the full return fare on Jet, but the website says Rs3200/- as one way fare to Jeddah.
Now compare that to “subsidised” fare of Rs12,000/-,from Air India, which now looks nothing but a ripoff on 70,000 pilgrims. But since this is license permit raj thingy, designed to suppress and rule, you get the propaganda of “subsidy”.
What a shamefull thing, these bas@#$d are giving subsidy on the IATA listed fare of Rs35000/-. from no lesss than the coffer of the govt kitty, so we are told.
But worry not, whatever these Psudo-secular Govt says is lies to your ilk, except some things like “Haj subsidy”, which is music to your ears.
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@Abhi
Sakkat point guru ! Khan sahabre…idu bekitta? Sumsumne youve
touched a raw secular nerve. Spend your energies to acheive secularism in the Mooslim world. Dont preach to the choir.
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The wiki entry says:
‘The SC responded by citing the example of subsidies provided for Kailash Mansarover Yatra to allow the Haj subsidy to continue [4].’ Link to newspaper article: http://www.hindu.com/2008/01/22/stories/2008012259951300.htm
So I assume the issue here is not about the illegality of Haj subsidies. What is it then? Cheddi diversion tactics? When an issue is pointed out justify it by saying – aadhare avaru yeno maadthare and escape off?
If Reddygaru had provided subsidy for travellers to manasasarover etc. – would probably be appreciable (immaterial of how the wealth was gained), but and elected political leader making kirita and pouring it down a hundi in the style of a third world dictator?
Khan,
The wiki entry also links to a site by Indian Muslims which says:
‘There has been considerable criticism leveled against this practice both buy Hindu organizations as well as Muslim pressure groups [2]. However, there has been a continuation of Haj subsidy despite protest from the muslim community at large [3].’
What is your personal opinion? If Muslims as a community oppose subsidies – why hasn’t it been removed?
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Bhamy,
We cant fight all battles against others – many of us are not inclined to do that and would prefer to lead our lives.
We can however discuss and see what a few other kindred souls think on issues close to our heart i.e Karnataka. And if one day a battle does become part of our life, hopefully we can find the strength to fight it out – we will even take inspiration from people like you who have shared your stories with us on this blog.
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Khan, I have learnt by now that people who are blinded, especially by faith, can twist their logic to any extent to fit their theory. I have travelled quite a lot and I have a fair idea about air fares. You wouldn’t get a Bangalore Delhi ticket for 3200/ most of the days. There is no way you get a round trip ticket to Mecca for 12k during Haj season.
The bottomline is Govt has paid 700 crore last year alone to fulfill some psychological disorder. If you get a 3200/- ticket to Jeddah during Haj, why take a 12k ticket from govt. Can we not have one single person who is not mentally deranged by this religion thing?
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Khan – Because of people like you, secular athiests like me are forced to take RSS side. We do not have a sane choice here – either take Hindu fundamentalism or Islamic fundamentalism, of which I have to reckon that former is way better, at least just as of now. Just as people critisize ‘Cheddis’, I want to see one Muslim critisize daadiwalahs, topiwalahs and ci()rcumsiz()ed you-know-what-walahs.
Until you do that, you have no right to talk about the pink color of cheddis.
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Anonymous guy
The government is clearly playing politics by showing the airfare discounts as subsidy.
Muslims have been receiving the short end of the stick,as usual. But inspite of that they defy odds and bounce back.
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@XGuy
Muslims certainly don’t want the discount fare of the Airindia, which is the norm in airline industry, to be passed as “Subsidy” by these hydra headed Con-gress.
But these slimy fellows will never remove these so-called subsidy even when Muslims demand.
For transporting 100,000 pilgrims even in a empty return flight, the leased aircraft fare comes less than the so called “subsidised” fare of the sham establishment.
What Muslims want is permission for the Haj committe to engage lease aircraft during the period from private carriers. Is it too much for the govt??? But it seems it is.
Do you think Haj pilgrims are poor or needy ones??? No. But the Sham establishment want to continue the feeling of “wronged” to the “Hindus”, coz they know too well “Hindus” relish being “victimized”.
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Sir – Harkol
He is “Dhanaarjana Reddy” not “Janardhana Reddy” – now you know how a subtle difference in spelling as a catalyst could be a big change!
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I couldnt vote because there is no option that represents my view. I think its wrong of him to do so because, he is looting mother karnataka for gaining wealth, he has no right to dig the property of the people of karnataka for his own means….
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I don’t understand why people always harp back to Haj subsidies. The Reddies are looting thousands of crores. Get that back first.
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Muscle power gotten by wealth is the only reason why such people get elected to high office or am I wrong- like TP Kailasam might have said – the voters are they Jana Or Dhana?
Have to agree with DB once when he describes what Tirupati has become!
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kingkhan,
I bet there are more muslim politicians who are behind the subsidy than hindus. And they are equally to blame for the subsidies to remain – since they probably help with votes.
khan,
Yeah, yeah muslims are victimized, they keep bouncing back. Every caste in India says the same thing, keep it up…
About reddy’s donation. Does anyone know where Tirupati authorities keep all this fabulous jewelry donated by worshippers? Is there some huge vault located somewhere for this?
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@Abhi,
I have seen enough Hypocrates, but online atleast you should not be needing the crutch of lame reason for your RSS cheddi.
If you are one, be proud of it, nothing to be ashamed of Cheddi and please stop being apologetic about it.
I can give all the detail of how much would it cost to transport 70,000 pilgrims to Jeddah and all, but it would be waste, for a cheddi is more “comfortable” in its perceived “wronged one” zone.
The 700 crore you are throwing, only a buffoon or a cheddi will believe that travel cost that much. But as the saying goes, the more dramatic the number, more people willing to buy, as their is never shortage of Idiots at any time.
By the way did you checked the Jetairways price for Jeddah?? I am sure you did not do that, fearing your Khaki knickers twist.
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Aa Reddy nan makkalu Kotiaaru ruppaigallu vadkhond hogtaiddare, evugallige haj ke discount kodtairadu hechchu.
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@Rashtrakoota,
I don’t want to file a PIL because I am not bothered by what Reddys are doing.
@ Khan
For all your morally superior stance on the discount v/s subsidy, it works like this.
If Air India does not get this money back from Government, it is discount. If Air India gets this money back from Government, it is subsidy.
When Jet offers discount, it dips into its own coffers to do so. Unlike Air India. There lies the essential difference.
Some one else also has commented on the Government doling out crores to the mathas and devasthanas.
Well, it is time they did. Afterall isnt the Mujrai department taking away all the donations paid by the rich and poor alike to the hindu temples? Where is this money going? How much are the archakas and the poojaris employed in these temples paid? Why not a similar rule on all the offerings made at a church or a mosque???
Saavira Prashnegalu… when asked, stock reply is “Cheddis asking questions!!!” Hell, atleast there is cheddi to cover the body.. unlike others who are totally naked!!!
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Khan – You might have seen enough hypocrites, but I am just trying to point out that perhaps you have never seen yourself in the mirror. But as I already said, I do not hope to change those who are blinded by faith, because I know I can not. Peace!
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@Huttadallihutta
Do you know the genesis of this fraud of so-called Subsidy??? Have anyone here paid IATA listed fare anytime. Please do let me know, including Abhi, who travels in Half pants!!
This fraud of Haj subsidy was invented in the licence/ permit raj, yes the same one designed to check who should be participant in the economy and who should not. In those dark days of licence/permit a large section of majority was force exiled from business to accommodate the few.
In those dark days of licence permit/ socialist thingy the generous govt of the day, invented this fraud of providing discount/subsidy on the listed IATA fare, in return for the assured 100,000 travelers. Does it have any significance now?? but the sham establishment does not want to let go the exclusive market for the other airlines, so the perpetuation of the sham continues.
If the Govt allows Haj committees to arrange the travel on their own(via leased aircraft), it estimated the Haj committee will save more than 200 Crore, even with empty return flights.
But then the who will want to let go the Golden goose, and what about AirIndia, if not for these Gulf routes it will die out the next day.
But worry not, the Cons will keep all “Hindus” in the Comfort zone of “victim hood” by perpetuating these kind of silly things.
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@ Khan…
The question is not of IATA fare and what the Haj committee can do or can’t.
The question is “Is Air India getting back the discount they are passing off to Hajjies from the Government?” If yes, it is a subsidy, no matter how you want to put it.
I know a software engineer in Bangalore who is earning something in excess of 25 lakhs. He, with his family, took this trip. Even though he could pay the whole money, he waited for the committee to give him the subsidised rate for travelling. This, my friend, is SUBSIDY.
If, as you have been saying, there is a huge saving for muslims if they organise their own flights etc., have you ever wondered why this Haj committee is not opting for this? Have you wondered why no “thinking” muslim has ever questioned this?
If there is a single community in this whole world which thrives on the sense of “victimhood” the place clearly goes to Islam!! You can see around the world. They are victimised even in countries where they are in majority!!!
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This has become a Muslim Vs Chaddi match. So,Whats new?
Reddy bros meanwhile are looting Karnataka in CRORES.
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@Rakesh Gowdre
It is the tragedy of India that everytime any issue is cropped, be it as different as reddys plundering of Karnataka resources, but for cheddis it is always about grievance towards Muslims.
If Muslims use Jaynager Eidgah for constructive perpose, they have problem, they have problem with Muslim names as articulated by the new Gandhi.
You see, if AirIndia get money from Govt it is problem with Muslims. Does all my logic of how AIRLINE WORKS, and how they never charge the IATA fare is any use?, as they are just struck their twisted knickers at shakas.
Is it any news to anybody that AirIndia survives to this day coz Govt bail it out time to time, if not it would have windup long ago.
Anyway BREAKING NEWS.
BJP PROTEST AGAINST RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.
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“It is the tragedy of India that everytime any issue is cropped, be it as different as reddys plundering of Karnataka resources, but for cheddis it is always about grievance towards Muslims. ”
Khan – Just go back a little and try refresh your memory. It was you who tried a take a morally superiorist stance by justifying Haj subsidy, which caused lot of us to digress and get carried away from the topic of discussion.
Can we not say no to Haj subsidy and manasa sarovara subsidy and hundred and one other psychological disorders which takes crores of taxpayers money every year?
For all the “comment purists” out there – Reddy needs to be kicked out, ofcourse.
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For all the “comment purists” out there – Reddy needs to be kicked out, ofcourse
That would take away yeddi’s cheddi in the public no???
Can we not say no to Haj subsidy and manasa sarovara subsidy
There is no HAJ subsidy but a pure and simple fraud, to keep the AirIndia running.
About Mansarovar and Kailash Parbat you can ask Ad-vani to conduct another rath yatra to “liberate” from Chinese. Ofcourse it goes without saying RSS knickers like you will do “Kar seva” and save precious foreign exchange, subsidy ityadi…
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Dear Khan sahib,
I appreciate your frankness on the whole issue. Please realise the fact that hindus are being mis-used by certain section for their own needs. But this election has brought out the fact that the voters are quite intelligent.
LK Advani had already sounded the trumpet that he was the PM in waiting.
Yeddy has disproved his detractors and won a landslide. Modi has managed to survive. Otherwise it was a total Congress rout.
Some people associated with the RSS still do not beleive and comprehend the loss,and try to justify otherwise. Unless and untill these guys realise that the common Indian is interested more in the basic amenities and not unrest and relegious intolerence, they will continue this kind of banter.
All said, I would like to point out that Muslims too are extremely reserved. And unless you guys enter the mainstream, learn local languages, take up social changes in your society, merging with main stream will be an issue.
Do give it a thought.
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@Rakesh Gowdre
I assume you are from Banglore, if not atleast from old mysore area. If so, You might have come across many Muslims in your day to day life. Still if you fall for the “muslims are reserved and need to join mainstream” propaganda, i don’t know what you mean by these things.
What exactly is this Mainstream???
27% SC and ST are not in mainstream, coz they are still untouchables.
45% Backward class are not in mainstream, coz they are backwards right?
12% Muslims are NOT in mainstream, coz they are reserved and in so-called ghettos!!
Now tell me what is “THIS” mainstream, where majority is not participating!
LEARN LOCAL LANGUAGE, Do you know Majority Muslims know more languages in Bangalore than Hindus??? Tamils don’t speak kannada and kannadigas don’t speak tamil, but Muslims speak both in addition to URDU!!!!
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@Khan…
Joining the mainstream means, for starters, shunning the religious bias that creeps out of an average muslim in the day to day life. I had talked about this in an earlier posting of mine. Of how two muslim students preferred their friday prayers to a job!!
Joining the mainstream means, letting go of madrasa education for the muslim children and making them join the regular school, thus making them regular kids like others.
Joining the mainstream means, not forcing the young girls, often as early as in primary school, to dress up in the religious attire thus alienating them from other kids in the school. This trend continues even after they are grown up.
Joining the mainstream means, being more concerned about the happenings of this country rather than taking out a morcha in support of saddam hussien!!!
Joining the mainstream means, not crying hoarse every time the issue of common civil code comes up. Hell, if you want sharia to govern you in your personal lives, why is it that you beg to be punished according to the IPC for all your criminal acts? Why cant you force the government to stone/mutilate/dismember/ or whatever other forms of punishment as is prescribed in Sharia?
Joining the mainstream means this and a lot more. It is a question of mind set. Every time a muslim is denied a house in a hindu dominated locality, the press and the secularists go hoarse crying about this bias. But for a situation to come to this stage, the contribution of muslims is far more than the contribution of any other community.
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@Harkol,
You know I could have my moniker as simple/complex, chikka/dodda etc, but I preferred to use Khan, as that would help bring all the hate, prejudice, hidden fear, and all that in cheddis to open up.
What you have written is all what you think Muslims are, or it atleast that is what you have been customised to believe.
I could show how wrong you are on each count, but that only make you defend your belief on how muslims are.
I would let you just go through on my last comment for Rakesh Gowdru and for a change give a thought with open mind.
It is my personal experiance that gowdas have open mind regarding Muslims, as they don’t have fear or prejeduce, coz they themselves are strong. I can not say the same to other communities.
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and good news for abhi, harkol and their ilk, AirIndia has become pauper, no money to pay the SALARIES of july to employees. Expect more HAJ SUBSIDY” this year to sustain AirIndia and more ammunition for appeasment gang….i mean parivar whatever.
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Now what? Another conspiracy theory along with Zionists, 9/11, and CIA/Mossad? Haj subsidy is set up and mantained to run AirIndia?
Khan – Your mindset reflects the psyche of muslim world all over the world. This is the problem, living in denial. Why can’t you condemn Haj subsidy, burqa, female oppression and 101 other craps the same way as you do for ‘cheddis’? Try to understand, I am on your side if you are a true secularist. You think you are one, but you are blinded by the same things as the one you are trying to attack.
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Welcome mate.
The gift of making a logical argument to conspiracy theories is very valuable. Do keep up the good work.
Take out all the what you have in your heart, I promise i would help you what ever I can. The grudge, the hidden anger is not good a tall to the health.
Just take for example the so called “female oppression”. You know who are having organisations in every city and mohalla for “protecting women”. what is the necessity for that?? if you dwell on that you will get the answer.
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Khan Sahib,
I agree there have been conspiracies against Muslims globally. I beleive 26/11 was one. Purely by the fact that in the deadlist, there werent jews present in the twin towers on that day. It would be a real hell of a co-incidence for that to happen. And there has been a crusade against the muslims by the christians since along time, and it still continues.
The actual fight is between the Jews and the Muslims. All others have been caught in the crossfire. Jews want to dominate, and the muslims just dont know when to quit. The others like christians have joined the jews, thinking that they are on the winning side. Irrespective of the fact that Jesus Christ was crucified by none other than the jews.
India on the other hand is nuetral on the whole issue. Probably now there seems to be a israeli tilt in our foreign affairs. But yet most of the time we remain nuetral.
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@rakeshgowda
That is a far flung assumption.I agree Israel and muslims are not the best of buddies. But interpreting Mossad as the perpetrators is surely not right.
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Jews are clever no doubt.
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Rakesh Gowdre,
You seem to have a kanck in pulling dates and facts from thin air.
Twin towers and 26/11…LOL.
And regarding Jews curcifying the alleged Jesus Christ, please read more on the early chrisitian church to update yourself.
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@mayura
Sorry for the typographical error. Pl read as 9/11.
But I still stand on my comment that jews were responsible for crucification of Jesus Christ.
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No difference to dantachora kadukalla ane hanthaka virappa and dhanadhai rowdy J….R..badavara bhumi kabalise bhuthaieyea bagedu bagedu balaji ge bangarada,vajra,vaiduriya vittaru B.Thaie shapadenda thappisikollalu kasta.
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