Former Karnataka minister Shobha Karandlaje, quoted in The Telegraph, Calcutta:
“Agreed, pubs are not part of Indian culture. But if a youngster’s family has no problem in him or her going there, why should the Rama Sene (blamed for the attack on women in a Mangalore pub last year) bother?”
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How girls pissing in their pants protect Hinduism
churumuri 
I really don’t understand how going to pubs is anti-Hindu. One can very well declare that Lord Shiva is not Hindu as there are so many accounts where drugs and madira (alcohols) are associated with him. Hindu sages enjoys all sorts of drugs in the name of Lord Shiva. So how going to a pub is so Anti-Hindu. Too often i can’t swallow too many vague concepts of hinduism where my logical enlightenment pushes me to turn-away and take the very path of lord Buddha. Hinduism is full of all vague concepts and all fulfill the very ego of Aryan Race in every aspect of life.
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@Kunal,
“Hinduism is full of all vague concepts and all fulfill the very ego of Aryan Race in every aspect of life”
Perfect. Infact there is nothing called hinduism – hindu being a persian word. It’s just evolutionary science. Just that people stretch and strain wherever they like . but at the end just one suggestion- be conscious and sensible at whatever you practice.
Also gothrough recent Bhyrappa’s novels – he has explored a lot on Hinduism and Buddhism.
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@Kunal,
I think you care most for others’ reaction about your religion than you analyse/understand it yourself. Pity!
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@kunal kulkarni,
you can question it, condemn it, hate it and if you still want you can be a hindu ;)
Personally I like the no rules, no regulations, no orders, no penalties.. whats not there to like :)
BTW Shobha K mentions Indian culture and not Hindu culture. There is a lot of difference between the two.
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Speaking of Shiva, Hindu culture, and such, what are we to think of the hundreds of kuris and konas sacrificed at Donnegudda in Bagalkot district two days ago to make the local goddess happy? News accounts say the few policemen stationed near the temple were silent spectators to the carnage.
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O logically enlightened Kunal,
“Hindu sages enjoys all sorts of drugs in the name of Lord Shiva”
~~~ Can you please let us know which sage took what drugs??
“Hinduism is full of all vague concepts and all fulfill the very ego of Aryan Race in every aspect of life”
~~~ What are the vague concepts that fulfill ego of Aryan race???
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Kunal,
The point is the caste system. Upper caste people can do one thing, which the lower castes cant and shouldnt. Similarly, men can go to pubs and drink, women cant. As you saw the sene mangannas didnt have a problem with men drinking in pubs, which they themselves engaged in, they only wanted to beat up women who they found in pubs. The sene and their political masters just see in terms of the caste system and want to establish it in any way – even if it is detrimental to the same hinduism they claim to be protecting.
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@Anonymous Guy
I feel u never make sense while speaking. Reading through many of ur posts, feel, u speak for the sake of criticizing blindfolded.
Now from where did caste system make an entry in this sene-valentine party?
Agreed Kunal had some thoughts on drugs used by both new age hippies ,thats “us” & old aged hippies(r they hippies..? LOL), thats “Naga sadhus”. He had a valid point. And more , as “Murthy” suggested, Hinduism is not a religion, but its a type of life style.
Now, from where did this gender bias,caste bias made an entry keeps me interested.
May be u r brought up in a society where u were discriminated badly from the upper class society like they may have taken ur engg/medical/CAT(LOL) seat cos they managed to take seats away from u cos of sheer merit and despite of u having a “reservation quota”. aint it sir? Am I right?:P
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>>>Also gothrough recent Bhyrappa’s novels – he has explored a lot on Hinduism and Buddhism.
Why do you have to resort to Bhyrappa fiction…………hmmm never mind, it has been the case for centuries.
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KH,
‘no rules, no regulations, no orders, no penalties.’ Thank god for outside influences and reformers from within who made sure that the painful rules and regulations of the caste system was made less relevant than it was in the past.
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I would have appreciated Shobha, in case she had raised the same voice when actually mangalore incident happened abd when she was a minister. That time she was practicing silence for safeguarding her chair. Ridiculous.
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Somebody who is religious is not necessarily a better person than a
non-religious person.
Belief in any religion does not prevent people from commiting every wicked sin known to mankind – from adultery to cheating to lying to deception to killing to rape.
So why cling on to religion?
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@Khan,
Your name is Khan . My name is not Khan Jahaanpanah.
Yes fiction as well as fantasies are a case for centuries too- just that some have really occured. Janaana and Mardaana are fantasizingly fictional as is beeja yegarisuvudu.
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AG,
you are talking about commercial hinduism/religion. I was talking about true hinduism, its infact very much close to dudeism :)
What you call casteism is just some smart people taking advantage of a lot of gullible people in the name of god. Human beings always take advantage of others whenever possible, caste is one way of doing it.
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@Simple
why cling to religion is a question of personal choice I guess… If one considers religion as a tool to keephope and discipline in life, then the clinging is justified. If one follows it out of the mundane want to stick to “traditions and cultural history”, then ur point holds!
We are made taught by society that cheating, lying and adultery are wrong and hence i guess the moral reservations against them. But, as an example,if you call lying as “management”, then u are automatically a respected well paid person. So i guess the adultery/lying/cheating part in your statement becomes one of perspective, in which case many different perspectives exist!
(as a proof of my example, look to managers in todays companies, esp in service sectors and u will see what i mean).
@AG
Pray tell how the “powerful rules” of the caste system are made less relevant; Our society still practices the caste system under the name of “making reservations for the lower underprivileged classes”! U keep ranting about rooting out casteism, while more caste names(all except brahmins) are added to the list of underprivileged classes. You talk of merit, but there are more places for reservations than there are for merit. So basically, the scholarly, upper class brahmins are the new shudras. And they rant on and on about casteism.
(I am not talking off of my head, latest pain in the ass of reservation based casteism, postponing of BBMP polls!!! Again!!!!!!)
Here’s another form of neo-casteism, alias classism…. read on… middle class, lower class, upper class, management class, worker class, political class, leader class…in this system, researchers are equivalent to the brahmins of the old system…underpaid and unappreciated. Soldiers, politicians and goondas are the warrior caste of the old as they control the real power, everything else is immaterial. Management/administration are like the caste of merchants. and i guess everyone else fall under what is called shudras, cos in our country sports, art and normal hard labour are looked down upon anyway. Only ppl with engg/law/doctr etc. degrees are respected.
So how do u like this picture of the neo-casteism?
ps. biggest proponent of either form of casteism mentioned above, our media,the inglorious bastards!
pps. don’t say in the neo-casteism one can change the classes as this was also possible in the older caste system and there are examples to prove it. The examples are just overlooked as being exceptions!
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what about “other” religion where women are not even allowed to show their face.
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Kunal:
>Hinduism is full of all vague concepts
All religions, faiths, laws are vague concepts.
There is an inherent dichotomy in most of these ‘isms’ and theories.
Capitalism is born of a market system, which is created, regulated and controlled by govts for the wellfare of society.
Communism talks of govt. guaranteed employment creation and welfare of society, but then tries to build massive industries and businesses Which typically are capital intensive and is run by capitalistic principles..
Even scientific theories with their proof are not entirely cohesive, and betrays the limits of a human mind and existence.
To prove every Newton wrong,
an delirious Einstein comes along.
To muff up Einstein’s merriment,
there comes quantum entanglement! :-)
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Why such obsession for Pub Episode?
=people who were allegedly assaulted NEVER complained
=alleged attackers were ARRESTED, let free by Honourable Courts
=thanks to the wide coverage by the media (total of 6 OB vans from National media houses to cover this great event!), next MP election was a cakewalk for the right wing!
Like the mainstream media, Churumuri too is the victim of TRP race? Quality content replacing tags like “girls pissing in their pants”
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well, bars and pubs do have morals and they teach people having extra marital affairs.
An out of box singer Alisha making a sensation here.
Renukacharya – listening??
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