On paper, peninsular India comprising Andhra Pradesh, Goa, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu—and Maharashtra which for all practical purposes lies below the north-south fold—top the table in almost every human development index the United Nations has come up with.
Literate, educated, industrialised, with lower rates of infant mortality, poverty and population growth than the rest of the country, high GDP growth rates, higher per capita income, greater purchasing power etc, the southern States are the “happening” States, way ahead of their BIMARU counterparts.
But despite all these positives, or partially because of them, is the South also bursting at the seams?
Andhra Pradesh torn asunder by the Telangana episode and the Jagan Mohan Reddy rebellion. Karnataka riven by rampant casteism, parochialism and corruption, the mining scandal of the Reddy brothers being just the latest manifestation. Kerala facing communal violence of the sub-primal kind as evidenced by the chopping off of the arm of a mischief-making professor. Tamil Nadu in the grip of a monopolistic family corruption with nothing called a free media. Maharashtra caught in a swirl of under-development, farmer suicides, linguistic and regional chauvinism. Etc.
Question: Is south India in a right royal mess?
the whole of India is
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/81625/ministers-secret-mission.html
Ofcourse yes when the ministers keep hobnobbing with rowdysheeters inside the jail. Not sure what Sriramulu is planning w.r.t proposed Cong-JDS padayatra ?
Its funny how south indians think they are some kind of super civilization to north india. and how Bangaloreans think its the best city and mysoreans theirs and so on. How about coming to realize the fact which could be slightly disturbing and that is whole of India is in a mess.
no wonder we have all the bhais filling every nook and corner of our state …they being comfy is a indication we can soon join the BIMARU
What a weird question. if South is breaking apart, then what of east? What of north?
To the question “Is South India in a big mess?”, my answer is yes, and rapidly at that! Every party, every politician without exception now flagrantly flaunts the craze to plunder the people’s wealth, misappropriates it to himself and his kith and kin, as if there is no tomorrow.
The contrasts now perhaps is now favourable to the socalled BIMARU states!
@abhi
its funny how north indians can think that they are not normal if they do not break the law in one form or the other to get ahead in life. It is funny how the “northies” think that the crazy noisy way of bhangra loud music being played at weddings is how all of india celebrates its wedding n how the damn idiots actually potray it to the world. I have attended a ton south indian weddings n have never seen something equivalent of a “sangeet” session before the wedding: But apparently, if one were to go by indian media/movies/serials/northies, this is how all indian weddings are. The same holds for the explanations of different practices. It is funny how north indians come to south india and comment about vulgarity of south indian women wearing jasmine garlands in their hair, without knowing that in south india it is not only prostitutes who wear flowers in their hair. Talk about living in a place n not understanding the local culture; It is funny how northn indians come to south india and expect us to accept the northy culture without so much as to making an effort to even bothering to realise that there is a cultural difference between different states. It is amazing how most engg students from south india actually attend classes while the northy kids do with 25%-45% of class attendance, despite 75% attendance bwing mandatory. Clearly the northies have no idea of discipline nor do they have idea off courtesy or culture. Talk about being obnoxious n self centred, north indians top this list in any place in india. With all this u find it funny that the south indians think they are some “super civilisation”??? Actually it is not that we think we are a super civilisation, it is just that we pride ourselves on being a lil more disciplined n law abiding than the northies. But apparently according to the northy ppl (who these days pretty muh thrive on us providing/imparting the technical know how to sustain the big northy industries) this makes us weak n stupid… Makes one ask the question, who the f**k here needs a reality check? How many northies do u knwo who come into south india n bother learning the local language.. be it kannada or telgu ot tamil or malyalam or konkani? Apart from calling our language jilebi languages and extremely “meaningless languages compared to hindi”, i personally am yet to meet one damn north indian who actually bothers trying to make an effort to learn the local culture.
WE need a reality check about india being a mess.. here is a reality check, more than half that is more than 50% of this damned mess is created by the northies. One just needs to look at the Attitude of the damned northies in government services and government offices, oh sure as hell one will want to shoot them. A ” northy” decided that talking about her new gold jewellery to her colleague was more important than the person waiting at the counter to submit passport related documents! During work hrs that was, and she actually made a statement that she wont be able to do the required work in one day as she was very busy. With such attitudes of “northy” women and with attitudes of northy men giving “subsidised solar panels” meant for farmers as “wedding gifts” to relatives and distant relatives of relatives.. with such damned attitudes, u dare to point fingers and talk about reality checks?? Who is the one needing reality checks? If u want further reality checks go take a look at northy managers in companies trying to run institutions without accepting that they will have to adapt to different cultures to run succesful enterprises!
Reality checks indeed! Superior civilisation indeed! At least i can go through our states in the south indian trains when i have a reservation in the night without being beaten awake from my seat by ppl who get on the train without reservation and/or without tickets as is the case in bihar, UP and in delhi. I can go thru the states without a pimp trying to sell me “his girls” on a damned train ride as is the case in UP to MP! Reality check INDEED!
We’re the lowest of the low, the scum of the ****ing earth, the most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever **** into civilization. Some people hate the bhaiyas (also the kongas, gults and the mallus), I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete a***holes. It’s a shite state of affairs to be in, And all the Gatavaibhava won’t make any ****ing difference!
PS: This doesn’t necessarily reflect my view. It has been posted just for the sake of copying from the original which can be found here
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Trainspotting
Well, if the BIMARU states had been in the same state of development as the South (and may I add, West) Indian states, we would have been equal to China today. It is certainly true that the BIMARU states are India’s biggest problem. South India and West India are nowhere close to those shitholes, rest assured!
@prajwal, can’t agree more…well said. I hate the guts of these north indians (Abhi like guys) who think they are king. They will come to our place in search of jobs, but they don’t care to learn/respect the local culture/language. They talk out loud in public places and always seem to push others on their way. I have a few of my colleagues in office who are tamil, telegu, even a few bengalis who can speak fluent kannada but am yet to come in contact with a north indian who understand/speak kannada. Best way to deal with them is to give them the silent treatment/reply to them back in kannada.
I don’t thinks MH is anywhere south…
Prajwal, got the point. South India rocks because north india sucks. India is great because pakistan stinks. That’s a good way of consoling ourselves. For every rant you had abt north indians, I can direct you to 2 rants by some north indian blog site. No point doing that because you come up with another 10 page comment that makes no sense.
Chanakya – funny. What makes you think I am a “northy”? btw, did you know that bengalis are also north indians?
I don’t think south is in trouble, a reddy or new avtar of karunanidhi, KCR is just passing phenomenon. South is new vijayanagara and will be, untill new rama raya turns up.
The Northies have numerical superiority. In our system, they will grind the Southies to death. It wont take long – maybe another 2 or 3 generations or so more.
Since there is a democracy backed by an armed force and most citizens dont bear weapons or have no will to fight, there is no scope of any fightback. If there is some fightback, those people will be dealt with like the Maoists.
Most probably, Southies will assimilate and bow down to their Northie bosses, like it is happening in Bangalore already. Only the Reddys and others from Andhra etc. will be replaced by Hindi speaking people from the North. The villages will come after the big cities have been assimilated/overrun.
But since the domination by numbers/democracy will take another hundred year or more, in the meantime the Southies are free to rant on internet and other useless forums.
” north indians top this list in any place in india. ”
Or outside of it.
i only wish i could some how convey how bad it gets in a place like a middle of the road US university…oh after all its their promised land, talk about conceit and smug self satisfaction and obnonoxious chattering anywhere you find more than one (north) indian together in the same place. and yet we expect not to get beaten up by aussie rednecks (not that i think aussies are all nice guys either).
and yet they are all not like that, i guess its just that the herd mentality drives them that way. i have enough friends from north, born and brought up in the south that stand to prove the point.
@chanakya, in my earlier office in bangalore , except kannadiga none speak kannada. be it telugu, tamil, northies n mallu. Most of the canteen workers were tamilian and I rarely heard a word in kannada in office canteen.
@prajwal, northies culture what you observe may be to do with their history. Most part of north india had been butchered in-numerable time from various aggressors, mughals to english. Delhi had been beaten to dust in-numerable times and every time it has risen to a greater height. Its south india that were not affected by mughals and english aggressors. Southies have not seen the hard time so they have preserved their culture, temple, shrines and language. Northies have fought in-numerable battle, some of them they won and some of them they lost. The battle they fought were not only for their land, but it was for their temple, shrines, language and culture. End result, their indentity have been lost and what we see is their confused identity.
Things would have been different had Mughals crossed vindhyas. They didnt so celebrate the un-diluted identity.
I keep the himachals who are more human and more of communist -( no outsider can buy land here – i am happy to include two more (including uttarkhand) pseudo communist states in india- and more like south Indians in their behaviour and culture )- out of the discussion and don’t include BIMARU since they have their own problems.
I consider culture of punjab, haryana and delhi as being the most noise producing northie culture. A simple example would be a home minister needing to teach them manners!!
Agreed that these fall into extreme belt. The most annoying thing about these northies is their language. Assumed Hindi and Punjabi was attacked by the corrupt Paki urdu, but even now when most dams are built in Punjab and with green revolution, it enjoying the highest per capita income and most being filthily rich shokilalas – some keep bikes and cars not more than a year with a regular super second hand bazaar held in chandigarh every week – they don’t seem to respect and mind their language – even now when their Khalsa is a PM and most in coveted positions of north Indian dominated defence.
The food -which starts and ends with Aloo gedde- the import from european sailors + all kinds of meats and lifestyle practiced has no science at all which actually should be practiced in extreme temperatures! and they offer that to us when we reach there!! I had a tough time introducing some of rice based items there.
The Khalsa statement goes as “Every man an emperor” and they dance like monkeys with heavy beard and mouthing obscenities – be it higher level “gentlemen” officer or a sweeper they start and end even normal conversation with Behan and end with Maa in front of mothers, wives and children!!! I need not specify the addendum to it.
Still they get watered and pay tax to taliban on the other side of the border!!!
I still don’t know how such a man who doesn’t care about any culture can become an emperor!! forget protecting the culture and country!
may be some fair coloured Sonias would be saviors in making ministers.
The south version of these can be some Mumbai based ones who also are witnessing raining money and even men getting regular minicure and pedicure in ac saloons!
Still since bordering us they tend to make less noise.
The burgeoning number of colleges started by our money wanking businessmen and politicians in south introduce these Maa and Behan ke … to south in their youth just to create a ruckus and ragging in education sphere.
Not defending some of our converted southies instigated by the north indian noise. That explains why youngsters like Vinays and Prajwals are so critical of them – not sparing some of our north karnataka thugs who Pranesh quotes to use such filthy language in daily conversations- but then they come from extreme poverty like BIMARU ones.
What if a Kannadiga (excluding Deve “bosudi” Gowdas – who has publicly declared not happy being Kannadiga) start to separate out show out the true valour with discipline,
not only a country will be split irreversibly but any intellect and wealth that these northie thugs have got by our nearness would be destroyed within a generation.
Any takers?
I agree with Abhi here.
Even after all these corruption and controversies, if you guys think the south is better than than the north, why can’t we try to make it even better?
Why can’t we guys think of a way to teach the buggers a lesson for having corrupt people(The Reddys) in the Ministry?
Well, to be frank, even I am fairly aggressive and abusive, as are many ‘Southies’ – just try getting into an argument with a yellow board Indica driver someday…
However, there is only one problem I have with (some) North Indians. In a nutshell, keeping aside all the small points of marriages and Behanchods and so on, the problem can be expressed in one sentence:
“Many North Indians think that they are superior to the South Indians since they are generally fairer and taller, and fall into the conventional Indian definition of beauty. This superiority complex is further intensified by the fact that most of them have it drilled into their heads that Hindi is our National language (which is NOT true btw) and they feel superior that they speak Shuddh Hindi when compared to the Southies.”
The above, in a nutshell, is the gist of the entire ‘North versus rest of India divide’. It is surprising that they have the gall to consider themselves superior when their BIMARU states are fucked up in every imaginable way. Their ‘Shuddh Hindi’ states are India’s biggest problem! India will be a first world country by 2030 were it not for these BIMARU states.
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Complex:
Sure, we can try to make it even better. South India is by no means developed yet! Karnataka is not the land of milk and honey – we are still ‘third world’ in all respects!
However, the reason that such strong emotions are evoked when we speak of ‘North Indians’ is my post above. Read it.
@Vinay,
“Well, to be frank, even I am fairly aggressive and abusive, as are many ‘Southies’ – just try getting into an argument with a yellow board Indica driver someday…”
I am afraid well that’s not a virtue to brag about and I am sure if you get married to/accompany a decent lady/gentleman you would think twice using such language. Tell me if you can still! I will make a note of our civilizational drift. But a northie still uses it even under such circumstances.
I had excluded the cabbies, poor and backward bimaru people etc who are quite incomplete in their lives if you carefully notice my comment.
I had taken into account those self sufficient people/some even millionaires and educated to core who (un)fortunately I encountered and found there is a tendency which never takes it seriously to learn some very plain and decent manners and try spreading the ill culture all around.
North India is blessed with natural resources that South can ever dream of. Naturally they are blessed ones according to conventional definitions afflicted by our global advocates.
I beg to differ on the built since there is a large herd of very strong pailwans in south which is under covers and their darkness puts them into further inferiority. Every monsoon every village in north celebrates a mela where a kusthi match is a must, but that seems missing in south though we have one time dasara where only some take part- we are drowning even in this respect; many deciding to become chocolate heroes or douchebags.
There are 3 crops regularly in most of north while we can hardly get one crop in a year.
And with these stats we dig deep into earth – one for iron(kudremukh) ,one for gold(kolar) and one for mine(ballari) and call it as economic development.
“Their ‘Shuddh Hindi’ states are India’s biggest problem”
Well you would be surprised that north Indians are as much weak in Hindi as are southies. They have Maithili, Pahadi, Bihari, Punjabi and numerous other languages(and not dialects!) and they take time to get hindi words. Just those thugs from cities get well versed seeing those bollywood movies infact the only source to learn this childish language formed in around 300 years. Infact the kids who you are fighting against just have it as a weapon to ridicule.
The shudh hindi wala pundits from Kashmir are refugees given pensions in Delhi. Punjabis have one source from defence another from their fields. so both jawan and kisan are earning for them and over that some of our anglicised idols’ global mantra is giving IT edge to further their wealth taxing ourselves.
“The above, in a nutshell, is the gist of the entire ‘North versus rest of India divide’.”
Well, entire north is not so unfriendly. I am proud of the himachals and arunachals and the well cultured mountain folk – their colour beats apples ; at the same time proud of our own remnant Jungle dark south ones -their colour beats glitter of gold.
and normally try avoiding the tribe of our Prime Minister even if they are milky white drinking half the milk of Indian cattle, having a safe income from government and still mouthing obscenities anywhere they go taking others for granted – reminds me of Annavru’s number – Haalannu kudida janaru vishavanne kakkuthaliharu sada rosha sada dvesha adakke heegide ee desha…
The top 10 least poor state are
Kerala ,Goa ,Punjab,Himachal,Tamil Nadu,Uttaranchal, Maharashtra,Haryana,Gujrat , J&K.
Uttaranchal was part of UP but now its out of Bimaru state.
Other remaining state has more than 45% population living in poverty. Karnataka and Andhra has ~45% while UP has 60%.
What is the big difference. I guess all other state are also Bimaru now.
“mischief making prof”
Is churumuri hinting that prof was responsible for his state? Where is the categorical defense of the prof’s “freedom of expression” and categorical condemnation of people who cut off his hand? Do you call James Laine too as “mischief making author”? or how about calling MFH a “mischief making painter”?
“Bid on to convert Kerala into a Muslim state: CM – Deccan Herald”
http://www.indiaeveryday.com/kerala/fullnews-bid-on-to-convert-kerala-into-a-muslim-state-cm-deccan-1179-1630036.htm
Has the commie Achutanandam become a cheddi? He should also have explained to us why Kerala becoming a Muslim state is bad.
Demographer of world renown, P N Mari Bhat, opines that the growing demographic imbalance due to the exploding north and the imploding south may trigger a serious regional conflict due to large migration from the north to the south. In India Vision 2020, a book published by the Planning Commission of India, he writes :
[B]y the year 2020, population of north India would still be growing at a rate of 1.7 per cent per annum while the growth rate in South India would have fallen to 0.6 per cent. The advantages, the south would derive from its early demographic transition are thus obvious. But the regional demographic imbalances may induce large population movements from the north to the south. It remains to be seen whether this would develop into a serious regional conflict.
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