Nothing has brought home to decent, ordinary, law-abiding, apolitical Indians the brazen disregard for the law of the land of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) than its verbal callisthenics and physical contortions after the arrest of the thuggish minister of State for home of vibrant Gujarat, Amit Shah.
First, an infantile leadership commandeered by the “former future prime minister of India“, Lalchand Kishinchand Advani, cancels a luncheon appointment with the prime minister, couching the fact that it was the Supreme Court not the Congress that ordered the CBI to probe the cold-blooded murder of Sohrabuddin and his wife Kauserbi.
Then, Narendra Damodardas Modi spots the usual ghosts of Gujarati asmita trying to “put obstacles in development work” although his own police had spoken of the “collusion of state government“. The party’s “mouth ke saudagar” wax eloquent on TV on how a gangster/extortionist somehow deserved the kind of death he got.
In all of this, there is not one word of remorse at lives cruelly snuffed out by agents of the State acting clearly at the behest of their political masters; as if the sight of a dozen IPS officers cooling their blood-stained heels in jail or a home minister absconding and not attending office is a normal thing.
In all of this, there is not the least bit of introspection on the part of the chief minister of a State—the State’s home minister, Amit Shah’s boss, to wit—who openly bayed for the blood of those he vacuously claimed had been sent to kill him.
And now the comical president of the BJP, Nitin Gadkari, delivers this tell-tale piece of evidence of the party’s mad machismo—the pumped-up blood-lust that has been sangh parivar’s signature since 1948 but especially since 2002—against the Supreme Court-ordered inquiry, in the Hindustan Times:
“If such inquiries are launched into encounters, then would police kill criminals? Who will fight terrorism?”
As if the police can be judge, jury and executioner.
As if there is no difference between vigilantes and uniformed cops.
As if the first action of the police when they spot a criminal is to kill.
As if those empowered to enforce the law should bypass the Constitution.
Cartoon: courtesy Keshav/ The Hindu
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Just one word……excellent. raises some valid concerns for everyone to see and in particular the BJP on what is really wrong with its approach & introspection it seriously needs.
Amit Shah looks like a villain….
BJPs credibility is indeed at an all time low. Advani started it all with his cynical opposition to anything and everything. What in the name of Ram did he gain by opposing Nuclear Deal and abusing an honorable man like MMS?
And to think BJP has no bad words to say about thugs like Reddys and defends folks like Pragya/Purohit/Amit Shah even with compelling evidence being built up against them!!
Sad state of affairs, that BJP is on a self destruction path.
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>brazen disregard for the law of the land of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)
Well, it is brought home to us even more clearly by Yeddys and Reddys. :-(
Sri Sri Sri (Saint Sohrabudhin Sheikh)
‘introspection it seriously needs’
LOL, remember the ‘chintan baithaks’ they proudly have every now and then and all that breast beating about atma samman!
2010 will be remembered as the year when the BJP formally cemented itself in the body politic as a corrupt party – no identity, no ideas, just money and muscle power. Just like Lalu and Mulayam in the 90s.
Amit Shah reminds me of the bollywood / telugu movies villain of the 90s… Rami Reddy.
Only diff being Rami Reddy was a movie villain and Amit Shah a real life villain.
Modi speaking of the asmita crap is a perfect example of “sau choohe kha ke billi haj ko gayi”.
That’s why it is a ‘difference’ party.
The totem poles & exemplars are modi, shah, gadkari, their bedfellows ( udhav, bal thackeray & soren) and not to forget our very own brothers reddys & yeddy.
Is it the nadir or the benchmark ?
BJP is known as party of criminals and thugs from day one, RSS terrorist organisation being its source fountain. Only now sheeple coming to grips with these terrorist organisation, after their henius crime of targeting, malegaon masjid, mecca masjid, ajmir dargah and so many terrorist incidents.
after all this this baffoon want to fight terroism,
“If such inquiries are launched into encounters, then would police kill criminals? Who will fight terrorism?”
Is Karnataka becoming a theorcratic state?
1. The state decides what food we should eat. (no beef)
2.The state decides that we the people of Karnataka should wait for 3 months for budget allocation to our corporation wards (because it is Aashada).
3. The state decides what we should wear in bars. No allegedly ‘revealing outfits’ for bar girls.
4. State decides what time we should stop drinking in a bar.
Simple:
>1. The state decides what food we should eat. (no beef)
Just had a heavenly Sheekh Kabab in Fanoos yesterday. it is BEEF.
>3. The state decides what we should wear in bars. No allegedly ‘revealing outfits’ for bar girls.
Mumbai has similar restrictions.
>4. State decides what time we should stop drinking in a bar.
Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Hyderabad all have similar time limits. And the one in Karnataka was imposed when Veerappa Moily was holding fort.
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Khan:
>“If such inquiries are launched into encounters, then would police kill criminals? Who will fight terrorism?
Yeah, that statement of Gadkari is hilarious! Wonder why BJP made him the chief!
But, calling RSS/BJP as a whole as terrorist organization is far fetched.
There are goonda/violent/radical elements in all parties/organizations in India today. That’s the sad reality. CPM has plenty, congress too has had its share of Bhagat/Tytler and track record of support to Bindranwale. DMK openly supports LTTE. PDP has elements who are enmeshed with Kashmir terrorists. MIM/Muslim league has many such radicals too.
Among the lot, of late, congress appears a bit more decent, having made some amends.
i guess if RSS becomes a truely terrorist organisation as said then there will be no minorities in r country
Ah , Harkol.
The Karnataka state government has already passed the bill banning cow slaughter. The bill is with the governer now. The state govt’s intention is clear: it will decide what I should eat.
Like bangalore has the highest auto fares in INDIA bangalore also has the EARILEST deadline, when it comes to closing bars. If Moily had done it 25 years back, times were different then. Today, Bangalore’s character has undergone a sea change and lifestyles have changed considerably. BJP obviously hasn’t changed with times. It is stull stuck in some pre-historic time zone.
If Mumbai has a dress code for bar dancers, does that mean Karnataka should follow suit? Should states ape each other’s regressive policies?
And Harkol. thank your stars that ex congresman Bhardwaj is sitting in Raj Bhavan. Else, you would not have relished your Sheekh Kabab in Fanoos.
It’s that simple. Simple.
These BJP chappies have apparently lost it. I mean what’s the insane hurry in certifying the accused – Reddy bros, Amit Shah, Pragya and so on – as the innocence personified?
Whatever happened to the tried and trusted cliche ‘ Let the law take its own course’ ? This one served Congress very well. They seldom defend their accused – atleast not in public and overtly. They use the aforementioned cliche and then ensure that the Law really takes a fairly meandering course and sometimes loses the direction and hence the destination:)
This is not to condone whatever Amit Shah is suspected to have done. If he has really done what he is accused of doing, then he is a dangerous criminal. It’s diabolical to use the totems of Muslim, Terrorist, Security to further one’s own ends and then justify the actions.
I just wish BJP shows some maturity and avoids doling out character certificates to such elements before the last word is spoken in the court of law. But for that they have to develop a healthy respect for the constitution.
The BJP doesn’t know how to be a good opposition party. Look at the hell they’re raising in parliament right now.
So many bills need to be discussed and debated like the DTC, the Nuclear Liability bill and CrPC amendments – and they’re just wasting day after day discussing the much overdue decontrol of fuel prices!
No wonder nothing gets done in parliament for which we pay so much!
Harkol, the BJP is indeed trying to interfere with the citizens’ dietary habits with their cow slaughter bill. They dare not do this. I myself am a “pure vegetarian who eats eggs” (:-), but the rights of several people who consume beef must be respected. Those are mainly lower castes and Muslims.
But yeah, this bar timing business was instituted way back in Moily’s time.
Anshuman Patel.
Manu Sharma – son of a Cong minister in Haryana was never defended by Cong. He got his due – life imprisonment.
Jagadish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar were never given tickets to contest the 2009 LS elections.
Natwar Singh and Shashi Tharoor were asked to quit without much fuss.
Congress shows public grace, BJP shows chest tumping brazen defiance
All BJP accused ministers are sticking to their chairs.
Navjoth Sidhu – also facing the charge of being responsibile for the death of a person, is given ticket time and again by BJP.
*Simple*
Banning cow slaughter is a compassionate decision, for which reason alone I support it 100%. It’s one of the best decisions of this assembly; I have no doubt that the governor will approve it.
Not only Karnataka — some 20 other states prohibit cow slaughter. It’s not a “BJP agenda” scheme, as many self-respect-deficit pseudos would love to moan. It’s about basic human decency and respecting India’s, and the universal, tradition of love.
If folks who claim to enjoy beef (including the R’t Hon’ble Harkol) become aware of how cattle are transported, how they are treated regardless of physical condition, how they are slaughtered, then they might experience an epiphanic insight…
See this view by a former minority development corporation chairman in the latest Organizer:
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=355&page=34
*Khan*
RSS, a terrorist organization? Hahahh, get some perspective, dude.
@Mysore Peshva
I would agree with you only if you ban the slaughter of all animals. What’s so special about cows? Do they suffer more than chickens?
So Mysore Peshva,
What next? Ban slaughter of chicken, fish, goat, lamb? egg?
And after bans regarding bar girls, bans regarding all girls next?
Then someone decide to ban some vegetables I eat for one or the other moral reason that *you* deign to be important?
This kind of targeted suppression is terrorism too.
As Simple said, at least there is some check and balance in the form of a governer.
Banning cow slaughter is a compassionate decision
What about goat, sheep, chicken etc, don’t they deserve compassion??
There are goonda/violent/radical elements in all parties/organizations in India today
Yes they are no doubt, but unlike goondas of other parties these RSS terrorists go on planting bombs on masjids and dargah all over India. What do you call these, who just time the bombing at religious places for maximum carnage, just goondas???
RSS, a terrorist organization? Hahahh, get some perspective, dude.
When did you surfaced from hiding, did you missed the news??
Known RSS Terrorists
Devender Gupta
Sandeep Dange,
Ramachandra Kalsangra,
Lokesh Sharma,
Sunil Joshi (now dead),
Aseemanand,
Ashok Beri,
Ashok Varshney
Mysore Peshava
I am all for compassion.
Ban killing and eating of chicken, fish, shrimps, prawn, lobsters, pork, mutton.
Self respect deficit is for hypocritical guys who turn the other way when millions of animals (other than cows) are transported and slaughtered in the most brutal way and not even a whimper of protest emanates from the self appointed guardians of compassion.
Mysore Peshva:
Let’s keep the BJP-Cong thing out of it for the moment, but then, going by your argument, chicken, mutton, and all other forms of non-veg must be banned for the same reasons, isn’t it?
And then, it is ok with you if cows are transported and slaughtered in a “humane” manner? I have a feeling you are more concerned about the Go-mata Go-Mutra argument that we hear frequently from the cow belt.
If we are really compassionate and dispassionate then the need of the hour is to ban Milk and its myriad products immediately.
More than the cruelty that is involved in killing of cattle for meat, I would say it is absolutely inhuman to deprive a calf of its rightful fill.
Whom are we kidding here? It’s daylight robbery when you rear cattle for its milk and shoo away the calf. What’s frigging noble in this?
If it were not for the milk, dung and the labour that the cattle provide, I wonder how many of us would have been compassionate enough to rear them and feed them lovingly.
Let’s not fool ourselves. It has been a purely business deal for a man to rear the cattle for ages. To give a veneer of respectability to this sheer bondage and exploitation, we brought in religion and tradition.
Hmm – almost all responses to Mysore Peshva have pointed out the hypicrisy in his argument! Pretty unanimous response.
>I wonder how many of us would have been compassionate enough to rear them and feed them lovingly.
How about pets like cats, dogs, parrots, etc. Do you think the love & compassion is for their Milk, dung & labor…..
>Let’s not fool ourselves. It has been a purely business deal for a man to rear the cattle for ages. To give a veneer of respectability to this sheer bondage and exploitation, we brought in religion and tradition.
In an agrarian society, every tool you use for agricultural activity gets incorporated in the native religion. Whats wrong with it?
Forget all this, have you seen a traditional weaver and how he treats his lifeless loom….
PS: I don’t like this ban.
>>How about pets like cats, dogs, parrots, etc. Do you think the love & compassion is for their Milk, dung & labor…..
Nope, I wouldn’t think so. But I am yet to see a large number of people rearing cattle as pets. There may be exceptions as in any case but as a rule the cattle are reared for a purpose of benefit. Love happens, no doubt about it:) But is this love the prime mover behind rearing cattle in the first place? Or is it the natural by-product of co-existence?
>>In an agrarian society, every tool you use for agricultural activity gets incorporated in the native religion. Whats wrong with it?
Precisely what I said no? That the prime motive is the benefits that accrue from the cattle and a man is a selfish one. There is nothing wrong with that. The point is simple : It’s not a selfless love and service and let’s not cloud it with divine nonsense, compassion etc.
The ‘chabooku’ (whip) in the hands of a farmer while he tills with a pair of bullocks surely doesn’t stand out as the emblem of love, compassion and empathy. Does it?
My 2 cents on cow slaughter ban. good. and yes, if you can, ban slaughter of pig, chicken and any other animal which has a neurological system to feel pain. But this argument of banning all others before banning cow slaughter ban everything else does not sound logical. You got to start somewhere, something is better than nothing. All or nothing moral is neither good nor practical. Try reducing it, watch the talk weekend vegetarian at Ted.
I wish only if we were more compassionate towards other animals like towards our own species, then ban would be irrelevant.
>let’s not cloud it with divine nonsense, compassion etc.
All right, I will try to have a word with my Ajji on this….
>emblem of love, compassion and empathy. Does it?
Yes it is…..
Abhi:
If the slaughter of those mentioned animals is done in a painless fashion, would it be ok with you? You cannot impose dietary restrictions on a vast majority – get that crap out of your head.
If you call for scientific slaughter houses where animals are humanely treated and slaughter is quick and painless, I am with you. Meanwhile keep propagating vegetarianism through media campaigns, awareness, and so on – but not through legislation. Indians need to get out of this mentality that the solution to any problem is a “BAN”. It does not work.
I see a day when onions & garlic are banned – from a pro Jain party ;)
@Mysore Peshva, if transportation is the problem then fix it. Why throw baby with bath water?
Abhi,
In an ideal situation, our earth should be overflowing with compassion. No animal would be slaughtered to satiate our appetites.
Killing anything is grotesque and inhuman. Even cockroaches and mosquitoes, for that matter. Don’t they feel pain? Does anybody give a damn when cockroaches are routinely swatted and thrown into the garbagge?
Ban all or ban nothing – is not what I am saying. If you believe BJP has banned cow slaughter out of compassion,I can only smile at you beningly.
Compassion Vompassion yenu illa.
Adu politico – religious reason ge ban maadiradu.
Using religion to get votes.
And stick on to power.
>>What about goat, sheep, chicken etc, don’t they deserve compassion??
What about Pork ? The other white meat ?
>>All right, I will try to have a word with my Ajji on this….
DB: Point well taken:). I agree with you entirely on this. Yes the cow does hold a special place in many a Hindu’s heart. No doubts about it. My Ajji would haul me over the coals if she were to know I indulge in such despicable arguments to oppose the ban on cow slaughter!
But the point is there may be many other Ajjis in India who may be dismayed by this ban. If I don’t eat beef for whatever reasons, that should be my business. Similarly if some one wants to eat it, that should be his/her choice.
Are we being forced to eat beef? No. If that were to be the case it would have been terribly wrong against one’s will. Isn’t the reverse logic true when I force some folks not to eat beef?
Bhagwad Jal Park, Simple, Vinay, Khan:
I believe as humans with all of our higher faculties, we owe the world “suhrudam sarva bhootanam” — goodwill to all creatures. Of course pigs, goats, cats, microbes… all deserve our compassion. So do humans that are underprivileged in any way. As a matter of fact, when one views the issue with a lens of compassion, it is impossible to oppose any public action that would result in a more compassionate society. So I agree with Abhi that this decision should be a norm for our society’s consideration of all sentient creatures.
I agree that decisions of diet and nutrition should be inspired not by state policy as much as by food research or by an awakening of the individual consciousness of compassion. My support for the ban comes not so much from disliking people eating meat as from the barbaric indignities that cattle face before and during slaughter, and from the medical research that supports a vegetarian lifestyle. If state policy reflects those norms, as it does in the present case, then I would support any such policy.
For much of the last five years, I’ve been politically libertarian, religiously agnostic, and dietarily vegan. I believe compassion manifests a basic human decency. To be compassionate one doesn’t need to be religious, especially considering that Abrahamic religion has for some 2,000 years preached compassion for its own evangelical ends, but cleverly excluded non-human animals from being beneficiaries.
Anshuman Patel:
Feel free to look up the classic philosophical work “Animal Liberation” by the bioethicist (and Princeton professor) Peter Singer. Or “When Elephants Weep” by Jeff Masson, or the empirical studies in vet journals for the relationship (physical, emotional, existential) between a mother and milk.
Vinay:
Reading my response above, do you still think my argument was hypocritical?
Regarding your other point, well, there’s a logical fallacy called “appeal to belief,” by which if most or all disagree with a view, then the view must be incorrect. In times past, almost everyone has believed that Satyam was solid, the atom was indivisible, or the earth was flat. I don’t care for folks agreeing with me as much as I like to have a logical argument!
All:
Fallacious arguments seem to be rife in the media discussion over the cow slaughter ban. Here are some:
1. There’s are logical fallacies called “poisoning the well” and “genetic.” To argue that because Yeddi and his cohorts have earned a bad rap in general, any decisions they make must be corrupt or trivial, or that because the decision originates from a “BJP agenda” (that we might despise), the decision is wrong, is to commit one of those fallacies. Of course, the cow slaughter ban is neither corrupt nor trivial nor wrong. From a vantage of compassion, health and economics, it is one of the best bills adopted by the current Vidhana Sabha.
2. To appeal to a proposition’s consequences is another classic fallacy in logic. It occurs when folks argue that the benefit from the cow slaughter ban is false because not accepting it as false would present negative consequences to those who transport/slaughter/eat beef. This fallacy is frequently used to justify all sorts of political opposition. Way back in 1930, Sir Winston Churchill had opposed Dominion status for India using this fallacy – he argued (partially) that such a decision would not be in most Indians’ interest.
Thank you all good folks for your patient reading!
Khan:
I have little time to investigate all of the individuals you claim are “terrorists.” But if they were, that would still not make the RSS a “terrorist organization.”
Do you know how many members the RSS has? How many times they meet every month? In how many lakhs of shakhas? What they discuss in those meetings? Who their founders are? What their motivations are? If the RSS were a terrorist organization, believe me, there would be civil war in many parts of the country.
For an organization to be considered “terrorist,” it should have (1) an accepted constitution that directs members to physically annihilate entire populations based on a genocidal goal, (2) a leadership with an active intent to pursue that genocidal constitutional goal, (3) wherewithal to actually carry out the goal, and, finally, (4) the carrying out of that goal should be imminent. This is not my definition of a “terrorist organization” — look it up and you might by surprised who has adopted it.
I don’t know how you defined a “terrorist organization” when you made your outlandish claim about the RSS, but by your own logic, it seems that if eight members of an Islamic mosque with lakhs of members are arrested, that mosque a terrorist organization. To extend your own logic, is Islam a terrorist religion? I don’t believe it is, but you seem to.
All the best!
I have a counter to the specious compassion argument:
I read somewhere that domesticated animals overall have outlasted many of their wild cousins just because they are ‘exploited’ by man.
Cow, sheep, goat, chicken etc. would have had less chances of surviving as a species if they weren’t domesticated by man.
Even when tigers go extinct, except for some zoos or gene cultures in the West, cows and other farm animals will live on.
Sometimes I wonder when will Karnataka have a chief minister like Narendra Modi, a pro-development and no-nonsense person under which Gujarat is shining. Other day, I was chatting with a Gujju guy at my office, who was telling me that if each state in India has a CM of Modi’s calibre, India would have been heaven on earth. I had to agree with him with a pinch of salt and why not? Here we have people like yeddys and reddys who can go to any extent for money…Long live Narendra Modi!!!!!
Vinay,
“If the slaughter of those mentioned animals is done in a painless fashion, would it be ok with you?”
If a human is “killed” in a painless fashion, would it be ok with you?!
“If a human is “killed” in a painless fashion, would it be ok with you?!”
No, it wouldn’t be ok. And since you ask inane useless questions, let me ask you one in return: if I consider consuming milk or milk products ‘against my religious principles’, and also ‘inhuman and cruel’, will you agree to a ban on milk and milk products, assuming I become the CM or some big shot tomorrow?
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Mysore Peshva:
I am all for vegetarianism. But you cannot use the power of the state to enforce it. In general, Indians want anything that offends them to be ‘banned’ – the first suggested government solution to anything is a BAN.
If it is compassionate treatment of Animals that you’re fighting for, you should be ok with slaughterhouses where animals are killed in a humane and painless manner?
The vegetables and fruits that we vegetarians consume have reached our tables after the killing of millions of locusts and other sundry pests. What will you do now, you who say that even microbes deserve compassion??!!
@MP
>Thank you all good folks for your patient reading!
Takes a bow wala icon…..
“If you call for scientific slaughter houses where animals are humanely treated and slaughter is quick and painless, I am with you”
Why is this OK in case of animals and not OK in case of humans was my question. Why is that a stupid Q? And how did you assume my views on cow slaughter ban when I haven’t commented on it? My Q was specific to your comment.
“If the slaughter of those mentioned animals is done in a painless fashion, would it be ok with you?”
Vinay – to start with there is no way to “kill anyone without causing pain”. Read scientific research on choice of capital punishments. There is no “better way to die”. Killing animals is the moral zeitgeist of today and if you want it to change, we need to “restrict” it. I generally despise imposing relative morals, however killing is something modern civilization needs to get rid of. Again I agree, banning animal slaughter may be a 50 years too early at this point in our civilization. So if some cows (or pigs) do not feel the excruciating pain of death in the name of Rama (or Allah), I welcome it. That way religion is also not completely wasted.
Simple – you are again back to same argument. since we kill cockroaches, we can institutionalize systematic killing of 10 billion animals a year that have highly developed nervous system to feel pain exactly as we do. You are right about BJP/Vote politics etc. But that’s not what I am talking about. I am least bothered about it. If you have followed my comments here, at my optimistic best, I think this country is doomed and I have no hopes neither from bjp nor from congi or of our society.
@Mysore Peshwa:
Sir, that was one spirited defence, a well argued one. Thanks and I shall also check up the books you have mentioned.
I respect your views on vegetarianism. However at this point in time my lot is cast with Vinay and Simple’s position on this issue.
To summarise
1. Banning is not the solution. Let the Govt. educate the populace about the benefits of vegetarianism. But ultimate choice should be left to an individual.
2. The way it is done smacks of vote bank politics. It is really doubtful if the GoK did it because the milk of human kindness was overflowing and threatening to drown them.
3. Whether we like it or not, we co-exist with a large variety of communities with varied dietary and sartorial habits. As long as these remain unobtrusive to the other groups, let’s not curb such choices.
In one of the discourses Osho had commented on a Jain monk’s remark on vegetarianism and the need for compassion thus : The best way of showing compassion to other organisms is to commit suicide immediately – Naa rahega baans, naa bajegi bansuri. Ofc it’s a flippant statement but isn’t there a grain of truth in it?
J C Bose suggested that plants do have consciousness too. Check this site.
http://www.areplantsconscious.com/
Abhi,Pagan:
I am a vegetarian myself and I don’t like to see animals killed, even less when techniques such as ‘halal’ (throat slitting) are used. But the fact is that a huge proportion of the country (and world) – in fact a maority – eats animals. Can you convert people to vegetarianism and wean them away from meat through legislation and coercion? NO! A ban will not work.
Whenever the Indian government(s) propose a ban on anything, it will do well to remember the story of Al Capone of Chicago and recall that the root cause of the Chicago mafia’s rise was the prohibition attempt, a misguided thought by the American Government that the population should, and would become teetotallers overnight!
But more importantly, the reason the BJP is intent on banning cow slaughter, is *religious* – not environmental, not compassionate – but religious. Those in doubt can google it. For example, quote by Yeddi: “On the suggestions by various religious mutts and on the lines of other states, a bill to ban cow slaughter will be tabled in next Legislature session”
And before someone terms this an “anti-Hindu” tirade: many lower castes eat beef, and have been doing so for thousands of years. They are Hindus too, they are Indians too, isn’t it?
vinay – my last 2 cents on this: Agree, bjp is doing it for votes. agree, ban won’t work. I know it will probably take another 50 years for killing and eating to become socially unacceptable. I understand u r a veggie and so are many Indians for religious reasons. But the morality that lives by religion dies by it. What we need is “conscious” vegetarians who don’t eat based on science and reason, not because they are born like that or their holy book says so. I see that movement only in west and hopefully as always they lead the way.