Like a bad penny, the Cauvery “dispute” returns to the national discourse every few years with both the “riparian” States involved the story, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, making the same noises—the former of everlasting injury and the latter of arrogance, with the Centre acting like a traffic policeman with his hands tied.
Every time the dispute flares up, and that is usually when there is scanty rainfall, the same revanchist forces of linguistic chauvinism and parochialism dust themselves and utter the same threatening cliches.
The world’s topmost water resources experts—the moviestars of Gandhinagar—descend on the streets. Bandhs are called, roads are blocked, resignations are offered, the ruling party flexes its muscle, all-party delegations meet the PM, and the media beats the familiar wardrum that sends shivers down the spines of those who can remember 1991-92.
Lost in the melee is sense and common sense. A dispute involving a couple of districts in the deep south holds the rest of the State and its relationship with a neighbour hostage. Karnataka’s fair name as a law-abiding State and the reputation of Kannadigas as a decent, civilised lot is muddied in the eyes of the nation and the courts.
Here, a lawyer conversant with the intricacies of the dispute lists eight reasons why Karnataka is once again barking up the wrong tree in circa 2012.
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1. When the agreement of 1924 was signed between the Maharaja of Mysore and Madras, the former diwan of Mysore, Sir M. Visvesvaraya, supported it unequivocally. The said agreement gave 80% of all the water to Madras, which is equal to 360 TMC (thousand million cubic feet) at the Border.
2. The Cauvery Tribunal, reduced the quantity from 360 TMC as provided by the agreement of 1924 to 205 TMC in its interim Order, or 192 TMC in its final Order, which is a reduction of about 50%. During the years of drought, the shortfalls are to be shared equitably by riparian states. How is this distress to be shared?
3. According to Tamil Nadu, if the shortfall in the flows is 40%, its share ought to stand reduced by 40%. On applying this simple mathematical reduction formula of pro-rata, the shortfall in the flows given to Tamil Nadu comes to 40 TMC as on 19 September 2012.
4. However, the Prime Minister rightly ignored the pro-rata formula when he passed the Order on 19 September 2012 directing Karnataka to ensure 9000 Cusecs till 15 October 2012 equivalent to only 20 TMC. This 20 TMC not only includes the arrears but also the monthly quota. Therefore, in real terms, the Prime Minister has only given 10 TMC towards arrears as against 40 TMC which ought to have been due to Tamil Nadu under the pro-rata formula.
5. Present storages is about 65 TMC. Even in the worst year of 2003-2004, 30 TMC flowed into the Karnataka reservoirs till December. So, in this year too, a similar quantum of water can be expected.
6. Cauvery is a political issue for the Vokkaligas. Historically, none from the Vokkaliga belt in Mandya and Mysore ever raised a word of opposition in 1924. Even after independence in 1947 or the re-organisation of States in 1956, none from Mandya or Mysore sought revision of the agreement of 1924. It is only after 1974, that the Opposition to the 1924. After 1974, the opposition in the Vokkaliga belt started but it is selective, targeting Non-Vokkaliga Government.
7. Mandya Vokkaligas opposed the Varuna Canal because it benefitted the Lingayats and Backward Classes in Mysore District. Mandya Vokkaligas do not bother when water is released from Kabini to fulfil the Order because Kabini caters to Lingayats, SC, ST and OBCs.
8. The ones who should really be complaining are Coorgis, since Coorg does not have drinking water though more than half the Cauvery water comes from there.
Photograph: Kannada movie stars (from left) Pooja Gandhi, Prameela Joshai, Shruti, Tara and Sudharani emerge out of the Raj Bhavan in Bangalore on Saturday after submitting a memorandum to Governor H.R. Bhardwaj on Cauvery issue (Karnataka Photo News)
churumuri 
I know this blog runs by Tamilian. So please don’t show your sickness here. You people fight with kerala, Andra, Sri lanka and now with us Karnataka. BIG SHAME ON YOU.
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Who is the lawyer you are quoting? The counsel for the Tamil Nadu Govt.? To say that Cauvery agitation is a Vokkaliga issue is really cheap. Didn’t expect this from you!!
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Excuse me.Dont divide kannadigas by publishing this article.You supposed to unite kannadigas..i hate this article(first time in churumuri)….
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With the kind of repeated injustice from the Government in Delhi, it is time Karnataka walks out of this joke called the Indian nation.
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3 important standout reasons, why Tamil nadu and the centre is horribly wrong in this dispute,
a) during the hearing in the supreme court, Tamil nadu counsel asked for the use of armed forces against the peace fully agitating farmers of mandya region——- court should have asked Tamil nadu to apologize for making such an irresponsible remark, this is not civil war.
b) prime minister and TN seem to suggest that being an upper riparian state makes it mandatory to release water even during distress overlooking the misery of farmers of the state——— is it unfortunate to be a upper riparian state?
C) lack of a comprehensive water sharing policy for the entire country is leading to erratic decisions by authorities causing strain on the federal structure of the nation.
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Good one.
Even the protest mode adopted by the Gow(da) Belt politicians is moronic. Forcing a Bandh only hurts us – Tamilians would be Laughing at the stupidity of this.
An equitable share as awarded by independent tribunals, and change in agriculture methods can help ease the demand on water.
But, then are these agitations truly about water?
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Some comments here are “emotional” response from kannadigas They don’t have an argument to make a case against authors points. Rest of the comments are just “Ad hominem”
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Whoever is the “expert” lawyer who contributed to this article, should read my blog once for arguments from both states. Also, spend some time reading over 60 comments so far.
Maybe some sense will prevail.
http://kiranasis.blogspot.in/2012/10/kaveri-river-water-sharing-what-are.html
– Kiran
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Ram -> Finally an unbiased review from the land of mannina magas. appreciate it, hope some sense prevails in the land of war mongerers.
Dr. ramesh-> Army needs to be in mandya, remember 92 riots doctor avare, where your mannina magas ravaged farmlands owned by tamils. The current protest in mandya will any day turn into a fireball and your so called peaceful protests will turn into a yet another ethnic cleansing. Only point C) of yours make some sense and the rest of them all are ridiculous.
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The author is hiding in this case. The source for the sharing formula and there upon the mathematics is not mentioned. Can churumuri please provide both of these so that it can be verified. Without this your points are meaningless and smacks of bias and favouritism.
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Another article with a Tamilian bias. Calling people who are just asking for their rightful share as parochial, chauvinistic etc shows the apathy towards the people of Karnataka.
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A simple quiz:
If KA wants 50 and TN wants 100 and ‘God’ has given only 75 that year, how much should KA & TN get?
a) KA 50, TN 25 (KA gets its full share)
b) KA 0, TN 75 (TN gets full share)
c) KA 37.5, TN 37.5 (Both get equal)
d) KA 25, TN 50 (Both divide the available in the ratio according to their need)
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BTW, KA campaign is riddled with emotion & Kannada language rhetoric. There is no one logical argument put forth by any of those protesting. First, they have to get a lawyer who is not easily bought over.
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Of course, idiots like Ganesh above think that the state will be better off outside the Indian union. Frankly, such idiocy surprises me. Silly people, don’t know what they are talking about.
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This is a highly one sided argument (obviously the author is biased towards his folks, Tamilians – yeah, he is acting true now being a Roman in Rome! kudos)
1. If sir M V would be living today, he would’ve changed the formula even if we were to assume whatever you’ve stated above to be TRUE.
2. 1924 and 2012 : It is criminal to assume the situations are same. So much water has flown down the river Kaveri that all earlier accords, agreements, awards must be quashed and a fresh new one to be drawn.
3. Same contention as 2 and if that is set right, this calculation too would change.
4. Your magical no 40 TMC doesn’t hold at all when there is no water. You don’t know the meaning of distress. Mathematics doesn’t come into picture unless you use simple logic (brains => Biology).
5. Even by this logic of yours, points 2 and 3 get defeated. How can you talk about 40 TMC when 30 TMC is the inflow into the upper riparian state?
6. This is a rubbish statement. Its value – only to flare up Kannadigas’ sentiments nothing more than that.
7. Same as above – utter stupidity shown by the author
8. Coorgis would’ve protested long ago if there was any injustice meted out to them. Remember, they are bravehearts and not cowards.
It is your time to answer the injustice done to Karnataka time and again by Tamil Nadu from the days of Madras Presidency. There are many instances like opposing setting up of SW Railway HQ at Hubli, arrogance in demanding Bangalore to be made a UT. Wake up fellas, change your attitude before harping on others
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ಕಾವೇರಿ ವಿವಾದ, ನಮ್ಮ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ನಾಯಕರ ಕೈಲಾಗದತನ, ನಮಗೆ ಬೇಕಿರುವ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಪರಿಹಾರದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳಿಗೆ ಒಂದು ಪತ್ರ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದೆ. ಅದನ್ನೇ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಹಾಕಿರುವೆ.
-ವಸಂತ
ಮಾನ್ಯ ಸಂಪಾದಕರೇ,
ವಿಷಯ: ಕಾವೇರಿ ವಿವಾದ ಮತ್ತು ರಾಜಕೀಯವಾದ ಪರಿಹಾರ ಓದುಗರ ಓಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಕಟಿಸಲು
ಪ್ರತಿ ಬಾರಿ ಕಾವೇರಿ ವಿವಾದ ತಲೆದೋರಿದಾಗಲೂ ಕೇಳುವಂತೆ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ಯಾಯ ಆಗುತ್ತಿದೆ ಅನ್ನುವ ಕೂಗು ಈ ಬಾರಿಯೂ ಎದ್ದಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಇಂತಹ ಅನ್ಯಾಯ ಪದೇ ಪದೇ ಆಗಲು ಕಾರಣವೇನು ಅನ್ನುವ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಮಾಜದಲ್ಲಿ ಚಿಂತನೆ ನಡೆಯಬೇಕಿದೆ. ಈ ಬಾರಿ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಭೀಕರ ಬರವಿದ್ದು, ಕುಡಿಯುವ ನೀರಿಗೂ ತೊಂದರೆ ಅನ್ನುವ ಸ್ಥಿತಿಯ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಮನವರಿಕೆ ಆದ ಮೇಲೂ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿ ದಿನಕ್ಕೆ 9000 ಕ್ಯೂಸೆಕ್ಸ್ ನೀರು ಬಿಡುವ ಆಜ್ಞೆ ಯಾಕೆ ಹೊರಡಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ ಅನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ಅರ್ಥ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕಿದೆ. ಡಿಸೇಲ್ ಬೆಲೆ ಏರಿಕೆ, ಚಿಲ್ಲರೆ ವ್ಯಾಪಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ಎಫ್.ಡಿ.ಐ ಅನುಮತಿಯಂತಹ ನಿರ್ಧಾರದಿಂದ ಕೆಲ ಮಿತ್ರ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳ ಕೆಂಗಣ್ಣಿಗೆ ಗುರಿಯಾಗಿ ಕೇಂದ್ರ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ಅಸ್ತಿತ್ವವೇ ಅಲುಗಾಡುತ್ತಿದೆ. ಹೀಗಿರುವಾಗ ನ್ಯಾಯಸಮ್ಮತವಾದ ನಿಲುವು ತೆಗೆದುಕೊಂಡು ತಮಿಳುನಾಡು ಕೇಳಿದಷ್ಟು ನೀರು ಬಿಡದಿರುವ ನಿಲುವಿಗೆ ಬಂದರೆ ಮಿತ್ರಪಕ್ಷ ಡಿ.ಎಮ್.ಕೆ ಬೆಂಬಲ ಹಿಂಪಡೆಯುವ ಸಾಧ್ಯತೆ ಒಂದೆಡೆಯಾದರೆ, ಮುಂದಿನ ಚುನಾವಣೆಯ ನಂತರ ಎ.ಐ.ಎ.ಡಿ.ಎಮ್.ಕೆ ಜೊತೆ ಮೈತ್ರಿಗೆ ಅವಕಾಶದ ಸಾಧ್ಯತೆ ಮಸುಕಾಗುವ ಅಪಾಯ ಇನ್ನೊಂದೆಡೆ ಇರುವಾಗ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿಗಳು ಅದು ಹೇಗೆ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಪರವಾದ ನಿಲುವು ತಳೆಯಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯ?
ಇಂತಹ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಮೇಲಾಟಗಳ ಲೆಕ್ಕಾಚಾರದ ಪ್ರಕಾರ ತಳೆಯುವ ನಿಲುವಿನ ಆಧಾರದ ಮೇಲೆ ನೀರು ಬಿಡಲೇಬೇಕು ಅನ್ನುವ ಕಟ್ಟುಪಾಡು ಉಂಟಾಗುವುದು ಸಮಾನತೆಯ ಆಧಾರದ ಮೇಲೆ ಕಟ್ಟಲ್ಪಟ್ಟ ಒಕ್ಕೂಟ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಎಷ್ಟರ ಮಟ್ಟಿಗೆ ಸರಿಯಾದದ್ದು? ಹಾಗಿದ್ದರೆ ಇದಕ್ಕೇನು ಪರಿಹಾರ ಎಂದು ಕಾಣಲು ಹೊರಟರೆ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲೂ ತಮಿಳುನಾಡಿನಲ್ಲಿರುವಂತೆ ಪ್ರಾದೇಶಿಕ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳು ಹುಟ್ಟಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದೇ ಆಗಿದೆ ಅನ್ನಿಸದಿರದು. ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲೂ ಒಂದು ಪ್ರಾದೇಶಿಕ ಪಕ್ಷವಿದ್ದು, ಅದಕ್ಕೊಂದು 20 ಜನ ಸಂಸತ್ ಸದಸ್ಯರ ಬಲವಿದ್ದಿದ್ದರೆ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿಯವರ ನಿಲುವು ಈಗಿರುವಂತೆಯೇ ಇರುತ್ತಿತ್ತೇ? ಮೈತ್ರಿಕೂಟದ ಸರ್ಕಾರಗಳೇ ಆಳ್ವಿಕೆ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರುವ, ಮುಂದೆಯೂ ಮಾಡುವ ಇವತ್ತಿನ ಸಂದರ್ಭದಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಾದೇಶಿಕ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳ ಅಸ್ತಿತ್ವ ಇರುವ ನಾಡುಗಳು ಕೇಂದ್ರದಿಂದ ತನ್ನ ನಾಡಿಗೆ ಬೇಕಿರುವ ಅನುಕೂಲಗಳನ್ನು ಪಡೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿರುವುದನ್ನು ದಿನವೂ ನೋಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇವೆ. ಹಾಗೆಯೇ ಎಷ್ಟೇ ನಾಡ ಪರವಾಗಿದ್ದರೂ ಹೈಕಮಾಂಡ್ ಮಾತಿನ ಮುಂದೆ ಉಸಿರೆತ್ತಲಾಗದ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರೀಯ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳಲ್ಲಿರುವ ನಮ್ಮ ನಾಯಕರ ಅಸಹಾಯಕತೆಯನ್ನು ನೋಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇವೆ. ಈ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ಹೀಗೆಯೇ ಮುಂದುವರೆದಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರತಿ ಬಾರಿ ನಮ್ಮ ನಾಡಿನ ನೆಲ, ಜಲ, ನುಡಿ, ಬದುಕಿನ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗಳು ಎದ್ದಾಗಲೂ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರು ಬೀದಿ ಹೋರಾಟ, ಚಳುವಳಿ ಮಾಡುತ್ತಲೇ ಇರಬೇಕಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಅವುಗಳು ತುದಿ ಮುಟ್ಟುವ, ಶಾಶ್ವತವಾದ ಯಾವುದೇ ಪರಿಹಾರವನ್ನು ಕೊಡಲಾರವು.
ಹೀಗಿರುವಾಗ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಪರ, ರೈತ ಪರವಾದ ಪ್ರಬಲ ಸಂಘಟನೆಗಳು, ಅಪಾರ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯವಿದ್ದೂ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರೀಯ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕೇವಲ ಚುನಾವಣೆ ಫಂಡ್ಸ್ ತರುವಾಗ ಬೇಕಿದ್ದ, ಈಗ ಹೊರೆಯಾಗಿರುವ ರಾಜ್ಯದ ಹಲವು ಪ್ರಬಲ ನಾಯಕರು ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚಿಂತಿಸಿ, ಸರಿಯಾದ ಪ್ರಾದೇಶಿಕ ಪಕ್ಷವೊಂದನ್ನು ಕಟ್ಟಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವತ್ತ ಮುನ್ನಡೆಯಬೇಕಿದೆ. ಒಮ್ಮೆ ಅಂತಹ ಪಕ್ಷ ಅಸ್ತಿತ್ವಕ್ಕೆ ಬಂದರೆ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಇತರ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರೀಯ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳು ಕನ್ನಡ, ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಪರವಾದ ನಿಲುವು ತಳೆಯುವ ಒತ್ತಡಕ್ಕೆ ಒಳಗಾಗುತ್ತಾರೆ ಅನ್ನುವುದರಲ್ಲಿ ಅನುಮಾನವಿಲ್ಲ ಮತ್ತು ಅಂತಹ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಬಲವೊಂದಿದ್ದಾಗ ದೆಹಲಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆಯುವ ರಾಜಿ-ಸಂಧಾನಗಳಲ್ಲೂ ನಾವು ಸರಿ ಸಮಾನವಾಗಿ ಧ್ವನಿ ಎತ್ತುವ, ನ್ಯಾಯ ತಂದುಕೊಳ್ಳುವ, ನಮ್ಮ ಹಿತಾಸಕ್ತಿ ಕಾಪಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವ ಸಾಧ್ಯತೆಗಳು ಹೆಚ್ಚಲಿವೆ. ಹಾಗಾಗಲಿ.
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1. When the agreement of 1924 was signed between the Maharaja of Mysore and Madras, the former diwan of Mysore, Sir M. Visvesvaraya, supported it unequivocally. The said agreement gave 80% of all the water to Madras, which is equal to 360 TMC (thousand million cubic feet) at the Border.
– so what if sir mv had agreed. it was an unreasonable agreement that ought to have been scrapped and revisited once british were out and we joined this country called india.
2. The Cauvery Tribunal, reduced the quantity from 360 TMC as provided by the agreement of 1924 to 205 TMC in its interim Order, or 192 TMC in its final Order, which is a reduction of about 50%. During the years of drought, the shortfalls are to be shared equitably by riparian states. How is this distress to be shared?
– upfront, you have an outright unfair agreement and on the basis of that you project that karnataka has been given a concession by the tribunal. the tribunal should not have been constituted in first place and both the interim and the final order of the tribunal are unfair towards karnataka as they are based on the past 1892 and 1924 agreements. karnataka should push for renegotiating all agreements that are in place with regard to kaveri river water sharing.
3. According to Tamil Nadu, if the shortfall in the flows is 40%, its share ought to stand reduced by 40%. On applying this simple mathematical reduction formula of pro-rata, the shortfall in the flows given to Tamil Nadu comes to 40 TMC as on 19 September 2012.
– there has been a historical bias against karnataka in the kaveri river water sharing. what is the basis of the interim tribunal order? what is the basis for the final tribunal order? for people who have read all earlier agreements and tribunal orders, they will find that karnataka’s historical disadvantageous position continues even after we moved from british rule to indian rule.
4. However, the Prime Minister rightly ignored the pro-rata formula when he passed the Order on 19 September 2012 directing Karnataka to ensure 9000 Cusecs till 15 October 2012 equivalent to only 20 TMC. This 20 TMC not only includes the arrears but also the monthly quota. Therefore, in real terms, the Prime Minister has only given 10 TMC towards arrears as against 40 TMC which ought to have been due to Tamil Nadu under the pro-rata formula.
– if we have water we will give. if we dont, we cannot give. we have not built reservoirs here in karnataka as storage tanks to supply water to tamil nadu. again all the earlier agreements and orders have wronged karnataka and needs to be revisited / renegotiated.
5. Present storages is about 65 TMC. Even in the worst year of 2003-2004, 30 TMC flowed into the Karnataka reservoirs till December. So, in this year too, a similar quantum of water can be expected.
– if we have water we will give. if we dont, we cannot give. we have not built reservoirs here in karnataka as storage tanks to supply water to tamil nadu. again all the earlier agreements and orders have wronged karnataka and needs to be revisited / renegotiated.
6. Cauvery is a political issue for the Vokkaligas. Historically, none from the Vokkaliga belt in Mandya and Mysore ever raised a word of opposition in 1924. Even after independence in 1947 or the re-organisation of States in 1956, none from Mandya or Mysore sought revision of the agreement of 1924. It is only after 1974, that the Opposition to the 1924. After 1974, the opposition in the Vokkaliga belt started but it is selective, targeting Non-Vokkaliga Government.
– this point confirms that this blog post has been written by a tamilian. to cover up for the injustice done to karnataka by both the indian government and tamil nadu government, they upto their dirty tricks of creating a imaginary bogeymen out of vokkaligas. dont the tamilians in bengaluru drink kaveri water or is it only the vokkaligas who drink water from kaveri?
7. Mandya Vokkaligas opposed the Varuna Canal because it benefitted the Lingayats and Backward Classes in Mysore District. Mandya Vokkaligas do not bother when water is released from Kabini to fulfil the Order because Kabini caters to Lingayats, SC, ST and OBCs.
– another spin here. there has been vokkaligas vs lingayats, vokkaligas vs backward castes and lingayats vs backward castes going on in karnataka politics. this blogger creates a new political alliance of pitching vokkaligas vs the rest. great imagination ah!
8. The ones who should really be complaining are Coorgis, since Coorg does not have drinking water though more than half the Cauvery water comes from there.
– one more divisive tactic by the tamilian blogger. he pitches vokkaligas against lingayats, vokkaligas against sc, st and obcs and coorgis against kannadigas.
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Understanding the Kaveri River water sharing dispute
Part 1: http://vasantabanda.blogspot.in/2012/10/understanding-kaveri-river-water.html
Part 2: http://vasantabanda.blogspot.in/2012/10/understanding-kaveri-river-water_1425.html
Part 3: http://vasantabanda.blogspot.in/2012/10/understanding-kaveri-dispute-part-3.html
Part 4:
http://vasantabanda.blogspot.in/2012/10/understanding-kaveri-river-water_8.html
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Hello Freinds ,
Dont bring in tamil or Kannada politcs … Nature is for every one…. It is formed before all your languages / race is formed…. It do not belong to any race / Language / religion , there should be a balanced solution for the cauvery Issue…. Example see Europe there are rivers which flows across countries from Italy to Germany , If they fight against each other it will create another world war Kindly Dont discriminate each other as we are all Indians…. Only solution as is to to link all the rivers in India…. All farmers , people will be happy and country will be prosperous….
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I agree with the author, both Karnataka and tamilnadu have equal rights to Kaveri water. If we don’t let these vokkaligas near negotiating table, this issue could be solved.
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First thing first, Tamizhians can lobby like this even when they are in Karnataka. This can never happen in Tamizh Nadu, a Kannadiga can not write or speak against Tamizhians. Since, the days of British Rule, Tamizh Nadu or the erstwhile Madras State or Madras Presidency was a `slave’ to Britishers. Obviously, Britishers supported Madras State. After Independence, with their chauvenistic regional parties, they have been continously supporting the central government, getting benefitted round the corner, including looting the whole country to the tune of Rs.1,76,000 Crores! All the successive governments of TN supported Tamizh Militants, Veerappan, which is a history.
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“The wars of the this century will be over water, not politics or ideology……. Fierce competition for fresh water may well become a source of conflict and wars in the future.” God save India!!
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We Kannadigas are always are being made to live as second grade citizens in our own land. Be it in Kaveri or usage of Kannada in central government organisation or getting jobs in central government.
Whats the point in staying in a federal setup if the centre always turns a blind eye towards Kannada and Karnataka ? Its time that the centre starts respecting the democratic values
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the blog owner has gone insane!
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What else can we expect in this blog run by a tamilian.
@Ram>>> An unbiased view??? I hope you were awake when you typed its an unbiased view from the mannina magas.
Sense would prevail when Tamils stop asking water to be released, when Karnataka itself is drowned in drought.
@Proud Indian: <<>>
Look who is talking a “Proud Indian”. Thanks for enlightening us with your view on kannadigas Proud Indian.
I am still unable to understand how only vokkaligas came into picture?? Trying to move away from the actual issue by attaching it with caste.
I would appreciate it if the author can throw some more light on it.
@Vinay: People like you will remain as slaves till the day you oblige what central govt has to say.
If the step motherly treatment by central govt to kannadigas continues, there is no reason as such for what purpose we should be part of this union.
Karnataka does not need a person sitting in delhi to dictate terms when the central govt doesn’t even know the ground reality.
1st the central govt/supreme court says to release water and later they send a team to introspect the ground realities. What should we call this, heights of madness by people sitting in delhi.
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Thanks for writing this article. But, I have my own doubts.
1. What were the circumstances under which SMV nodded unequivocally, can you please throw some light on this?
2. “During the years of drought, the shortfalls are to be shared equitably by riparian states.” agree, but how come you missed the point about water fro drinking, shouldn’t we setting that aside (or did the verdict miss it in totality)
3. Have you heard of logarithmic scale, evaporation, drought?
4. Same as above? and I agree with you that PM ignored all of the above :)
5. Water and expectation, don’t you think you are banking on the types of Narendra sharma :O? – ok here he is – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Gc3Jf_xCI
6. I agree that it is a political issue; not only for vokkaligas as you think! And yes, it has to be dealt politically and in courts.
7. Nah, not worth commenting.
8. Who is stopping them?
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Tamil Nadu’s contribution to Kaveri water is only about 30% but it demands 76% share. As per the international water law sharing of river waters between two riparian states should be equitable and reasonable. But TN’s demand is far from being close to reasonable not to talk about equitable.
The final verdict of 419 tmc of water awarded to TN out of which 192 should come from Karnataka is also quite unreasonable as TN still gets 58% of the share while Karnataka gets only 37% though it contributes 53%.
What was also not considered in the final award was the drought prone areas in Karnataka’s Kaveri delta and also the fact that we have no NE monsoon season.
Karnataka may still be able to sustain this injustice in a normal year with good rains but when there is drought there is no way. The comments on caste-based politics is untrue and quite irrelevant to the discussion here. The issue here is about Karnataka’s right to equitable share of Kaveri water not caste-politics.
Point 8 too is incorrect. Kaveri originates in Coorg and she is nothing more than a small rivulet there.
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I think the agenda of this article is very clear.
Firstly, publish half baked information without verifiable facts (or data backed with source called fact) or circumstantial evidence (as law calls it).
Secondly, divide Kannadigas based on caste so as to dilute & divert the issue and protest intensity.
Finally, the article editor seems to be hiding in the dark by neither publishing his name nor the sources of his content.
If this continues what Ganesh has said above needs to be given a serious thought. What good is it to be part of an union if it serves only one part?
Finally, finally, two articles in two weeks clearly confirms that this blog editor has some strong TN roots which is pushing him to publish these.
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idiot konga/pro-konga author following British divide and rule method.in this article ..madras presidency formed because of british licking tamilians.!.TN wants to kill mandya formers by setting up an Army .
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one reason behind these 8 baseless reasons is because its written by a Tamilian..this guy and his master lawyer didn’t had any work it seems..came up with this crap..its better we ignore this article like i started doing it after his last article on RK Narayan..this article is a big joke..in fact he is making fool of himself as well as all the tamil settlers in Karnataka..
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an article with a clear bias. first of all old agreements of pre independence and all that needs to be scrapped. secondly just asking Karnataka to release water when the monsoon is poor is nothing short of a joke. thirdly north east monsoon benefits Tamil Nadu more than Karnataka. and lastly lack of political will in Karnataka means Karnataka is always on the receiving end of injustice. it’s time all old agreements are scrapped and a new chapter is made by making a national policy on waters. it’s time Kannadigas raised their voice against such nonsense and also showed political will and not succumbing to high command pressure.
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There are lot of emotions associated with Water. This is true of almost all places. However, rationality and a sense of live-and-let-live is also important. For that we need to learn to follow the independent arbitrators and judges, instead of going on about our own case.
Sandeep:
>Point 8 too is incorrect. Kaveri originates in Coorg and she is nothing more than a small rivulet there.
Interesting observation. Have any statistics of how much water Cauvery gets from which area?
I’d have thought Coorg, being part of Malenadu/western Ghat, would get copious rains and thus contribute the highest amount of water to Cauvery. Bayalu nadu gets far less rains.
From info. I could gather, the yearly rainfall in coorg district receives above 2000mm rainfall. In mysore district, the average rainfall is less than 800mm. So, to contribute more, cacthment area in Mysore should be approximately 3 times more than coorg.
There is also the waters from Kerala catchment areas that join Cauvery (not sure how much) Rivers/streams originating from Wayanadu/Madhumalai etc. may be tributaries to Cauvery.
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8 baseless bullshit reasons !!
From 1892 and 1924 Madras-Mysuru agreement to 2007 CRA’s final verdict, Karnataka is always at the receiving end. Every time all the decisions are against Karnataka.
Below 5 injustices to Karnataka in CRA’s final verdict shows how biased the decision is, favoring TN:
1. Karnataka has 42% of Kaveri basin. Our irrigation area should also be raised proportionately. To be fair, we should have got at least 23 lakh acres of land under irrigation in the basin, while Tamilnadu’s right share should have been 13.6 lakh acres. Using the arguments of heritage right and historical claim, Tamilnadu was awarded disproportionate water in the final agreement. This is the first and foremost injustice meted out to Karnataka.
2. The tribunal’s final judgement to release 192 TMC of water at Biligundlu instead of 205 TMC asked in interim judgement was actually an eye wash. Earlier, Karnataka was releasing 180 TMC of water at Biligundlu after subtracting 25 TMC of water that flows into the river between Biligundlu and Mettur, but now, the final judgement asks Karnataka to release 192TMC at Biligundlu itself and if you take into account the other 25 TMC of water between Biligundlu and Mettur, Karnataka will end up giving 217 (192 at biligundlu + 25 between biligundlu and mettur) TMC of water which is 12 TMC more than what was decided in interim judgement ! This is the second injustice.
3. The tribunal awarded 30 TMC of water to Kerala and it asked Karnataka and Tamilnadu to release 21 TMC and 9 TMC respectively to Kerala. As Kerala currently has no infrastructure to utilise that water, Tamilnadu was allowed to use that 9 TMC of water but Karnataka was not allowed to do so ! Karnataka was asked to release that 21 TMC reserved for Kerala to Tamilnadu and Tamilnadu was allowed to use even that water ! This is the third injustice.
4. To protect environment, Karnataka was ordered to release 10 TMC of water, while no such rule was made for Tamilnadu. So protecting environment is just Karnataka’s responsibility? huh? This is the fourth injustice.
5. Karnataka supplies 15 TMC of water to Bengaluru for it’s drinking water needs. With Bruhat Bengaluru, the need was revised to 30 TMC. Chamarajanagara, Mandya, Mysore, Channapattana, Ramanagar, the other towns in the Kaveri basin together need around 60 TMC for drinking water needs. The tribunal has reserved just 1.85 TMC of water. Another surprise is the tribunal says that only 1/3rd of Bengaluru falls in Kaveri basin and hence only that part has been considered while allocating! Even the UN says that the first preference should always be given to drinking water needs, but to aid Tamilnadu grow 3 crops an year, drinking water needs of Karnataka was made to suffer. How fair is this? This is the fifth injustice.
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what a load of bull. almost every point is factually incorrect and I suspect, deliberately so.
1. the so-called agreement of 1924 itself was after the matter went to court! to suggest that it was without a fight or that Sir MV “supported it unequivocally” a blatant lie and an insult to the great man. if anything, Sir MV foresaw the machinations of the konga asslickers and ensured that he designed the foundation of the dam to be built to the full height instead of the lesser height that the kongas were fighting for! and eventually after the court in London upheld the right of Mysore to the full height of the dam, construction got completed. if not for this visionary, we’d be having a much smaller dam! and you suggest that Sir MV “supported it unequivocally”?! shame on you!
not only was the 1924 agreement itself after a protracted fight, but the 1892 agreement itself was not without discontent. in each of these cases, Mysore had no option but to fall in line in the face of some asslicking extrordinaire by the kongas of the white-skinned overlords. Mysore probably wielded as much influence over the British as Karzai does over the Americans. May be even less. And you want to portray this as if the British and Kongas signed us a blank cheque!
2. All the TMC numbers you throw around were based on then existing areas under irrigation. Just because TN had more land under irrigation (this lead was again in major part due to the ‘convenient’ nature of their relationship with the British) doesn’t mean that Karnataka should never attempt to catch up!
And even more importantly, this agreement of 1924 that you hold up as some Divine deed was set to lapse after 50 years (1974 if you have trouble doing the math). Thank God for us we didn’t sign a 999 year lease like the Mallus!
3, 4, 5 — Points 1 and 2 were obviously pulled from your ass. Can you please care to mention your sources for 3, 4 and 5 or exactly which orifice they were pulled from?
6, 7 — blatant half-truths and irrelevant to the issue of water sharing between karnataka and TN. the dispute is about sharing between K’taka and TN – not between Vokkaligas/Lingayats on K’taka side or Nadars/Vanniyars/Gounders/SCs/STs on TN side. Nice try deflecting the issue.
8 — and yes! Coorgis have a right and Karnataka represents them now since they are part of Karnataka!!
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The Maharaja is gone and the British are gone. How can their agreement be made binding on the current generation? Is there a common National Policy on water sharing. No. When the agreement makers are gone and our PM has not brought forth a common policy. Why should KA accept anything?
The caste angle that Cavery dispute is used only when the CM is not a vokkaliga is also wrong. There was dispute when SM Krishna was the CM. There was dispute when Bangarappa was CM and during this time the perpetrator of anti-tamil crimes was Bangarappa’s kinsmen Rajkumar.
Also the article assumes that Mandya vokkaligas are the only beneficiaries of Cavery water. Most of the water supply in Bangalore comes from Cavery.
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Man can never conquer Nature. Nature will always follow its own ways. Believe it or not, Dharmic life, Belief in God, and many conservative ideas still do matter. Surprising many illiterate villagers still believe in this. Of course the same villager maybe totally dumb on other issue.
Dont believe in this you will face it. West will lead the way for the rude shock.
Atleast this time Brahmins cannot be blamed for any shit that happens.
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Kaveri issue apart, “circa 2012” is a wrong usage! Not expected from Churumuri. “circa” is not a substitute word for ‘year’ or ‘time period’, or ‘time frame’ etc. Circa means ‘approximately in’ (this word derived from Latin, meaning “around”). Circa is widely used in genealogy and historical writing when the dates of events are not precisely known. You could have simply written “Karnataka is once again barking up the wrong tree in year 2012.”
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i was wondering where is the cauvery article by churumuri. so it took the author this long to come out with this article and at the end of all the hard work he decides not to reveal his name. so he proved he is a coward. he can learn something from y.maheswara reddy of DNA who wrote an article with similar tone and not only did he disclose he was the author but he also put his photo for all bangalore to see.
also the first 4 posters here should be given gold medals for their emotional thinking.
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Is this the lawyer who hails from Kodagu, who is part of Karnataka team of advocates and is associated with Congress netas?
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There is no name of the writer or the lawyer. If anybody raises the voice to safeguard his interest, he is parochial, chauvinist and should be shot down. Invoking caste in the article is what?! The article is a futile attempt not only to divide Kannadigas but also people of two states and should be condemned.
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I love to criticise the blog and its owner, but to abuse him of writing this because he is a Tamilian is a bit too much. As far as I know, he is a true blue Kannadiga. I think he is doing this though to create controversy and have members make a hungama so he can get lot of visitors. Nice strategy, works always!
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Who wrote this spoof, I wonder! All those inane metaphors, exaggerations that test credulity…Of course all the 8 points listed are bogus arguments and the man who made them would get a severe ‘verbal’ hiding if he were to be discovered!
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People talk as if they are doing a favor by asking only 40 TMC of water when Karnataka itself is lacking 30 TMC this year. It is a big joke that India is considered as democratic. Why should we be even a part of this country which doesn’t treat its fellow states equally ? What if there was an agreement before ? We need to live in the present and the present situation demands for a re-definition of the jalaneeti, period. Whatever agreement is being discussed doesn’t hold good anymore with increasing drought and decreasing levels of underground water. We just cannot rely on some numbers from the past, we need to look at the current situation.
All the talks on agreement which had happened in 1924 should not be given a damn care now. That agreement was done under the British rule, where the Madras and Mysooru province were under their control as ‘saamanta rajas’. However we have moved ahead of that post 1947 with our own country. A fresh and new agreement is the need of the hour which should be made keeping in mind the interests of both the states equally. Why should we be a part of this country if Kanndigas are not treated in the same way as Tamilians or any other state for that matter.
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@churumuri
Vokkaligas vs Lingayats, Kannadigas vs Coorgis. finally you have shown your real jaati buddhi! sorry i dont know why i am wasting my time in reading your repeated shit articles :(
@Vinay. Did you showed the same guts to shout at Infy Naani along with always “emotional” Software coolies (right here in this Blog!) and that “dummi” Majundaar who made similar kind of comment regarding making Bangalore as Union territory!!
Please don’t be too emotional!…-:)
@ any one who against agitation of kannadigas
Remember how medical service was forced to be shutdown during anti reservation row resulting in death of few poor patients across the country.
Neevu pratibatene maadidare adu Freedom of expression.
Badavaru, Raitaru, Dalitaru pratibatane maadidare adu chavunism!!
This is the biggest joke of this country !
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Many of the arguments here are faulty. KA has 42% basin area but is given 37% of water is because of the simple reason that a high % of the basin area is covered by forests where there is no irrigation requirements. Further KL contributes to more than 130TMC of water and the real fact is KA should provide only 60-70TMC of water from its origin. The so called political leaders have unnecessarily talking about 1924 and brainwashing the people. In I924 madras state got 566TMC and now only 419TMC – A huge loss of 150TMC. So, the CRA has taken everything into consideration. When there is a distress, it has to be shared as per the agreement. When the total water flow is only 60% of the normal then it has be shared equally instead of KA saying it want its full share anyway. EOD KA is losing because of the wrong arguments. I think no state government can influence SC in this country.
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Excellent analysis. Wholly agree. We Kannadigas (not all) are also parochial like many others. Not even 1% people are actually protesting. Why should film industry, writers etc join the agitation?
Law of the land has to be respected. Can’t say we don’t release even a drop of water etc.
Also, ban elections for 10 years. There will be no Cauvery agitation for 10 years. I bet.
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This is very bad article distorting the true picture. Please stop spreadin non sense and insult to people of Karnataka
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6.”opposition in the Vokkaliga belt started is selective, targeting Non-Vokkaliga Government.”
Insanity has prevailed upon you. Curfew was imposed in mandya when SM krishna was the CM in 2002. There were huge disturbances. Yuck and sick people have written this. Bigoted morons are a threat to the society. Hypocritical bullshitt. Feeling loathe to post things here.. but had to give you a tight slap.
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State government has asked for 30 TMC for drinking water purpose for Bangalore alone. However, it has been awarded 1.75 TMC only.
If the review petition from the state govt is dismissed for any reason, Bangalore for sure will have drinking water problem.
Or perhaps, going by the logic in this article, Bangalore will not have a drinking problem because only Vokkaligas staying in Bangalore will drink Kaveri water while the rest (including coorgis in Bangalore) dig their own borewells.
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when people think emotionally logic wont prevail. let me put one simple argument.
india has river problem with neighboring countries. with china as lower riparian, with Pak and Bangladesh as upper riparian.
if our supreme court gives any verdict which favour any particular state, our neighbours will make the same argument to support their cause. hence the central government or court taking unjustifiable stance is virtually impossible.
but it amuses me to read that kannadigas too complaining that they are not getting justice in india union. so far i thought only tamils makes that noices.
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ridiculous and senseless to the core. all the wrong reasons being put forth with no sense of iota at all. simply quoting historical arguements with zero sense. Kannadigas have been too nice and soft for their linking and every tom, dick and harry takes them for a ride with such crap articles. first of all where is the water sharing formula for distress times ? Where is water to be released to others ? The so called worldly people will realise if someone takes away even one inch of their land. and some dont want to drink the cauvery water perhaps. totally senseless. time Kannadigas have their OWN political party not some high COMMAND party
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I am not going to comment on whether this is a Vokkaliga-Lingayat issue but you did get one thing right. We Coorgs have the biggest reason to be pissed off. Over 50 percent of the water comes from this one district but we are not even allowed to install a pumpset to draw drinking water from the Cauvery or any of its tributaries. All we get is the one litre of theertha all of us carry into our homes every October 16 or 17 during Cauvery Shankramana. We worship this river, We name our daughters after it. In my case, our home in Ammathi is named Cauvery Cottage, but we are not allowed to use its waters. What freaking irony!
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Another point. When the original agreement was drawn up, Madras belonged to the British. There is little doubt that they twisted the arm of Mysore Raja to get a lopsided agreement signed up. The fact that Visvesariah agreed to this is not really important because he was wrong on many things. Remember Mysore state’s old S-shaped approach to bridges which he designed to reduce the speed of vehicles? This was responsible for killing hundreds of people over the years before the government started straightening out the approaches.
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@Curumuri- sale agtha illa antha e tara na bariyodu
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dont TRY to divide kannadigas like vokkaligas,lingayta,brahmana,shoodra dharidra antha we already UNITED !!!.
i am so surprised this non-sense article from churumuri kittappa!!.rather i would expect pro-kannada kittappa(KP)!!
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Assuming we follow Ghandian approach to save Cavery water; Karnataka people walk as in the Salt MArch to KRS reservoir, and drink a litre of water each to save cavery water in our stomach.
It is 2Liters per cubic feet; 5 Crore Karnataka People; Mean 2.5 crore liters in our stomach; == 25MCs, not enough, we will get Our friends UP And Biharis also, 400 Million + 100 Milion = 50 crore people = 250 MCs,
Karnataka + UP + Bihar = 275 MCs, = .275 TMCs, you are right not enough 40 TMCs is still larger.
Say Whole world except TN = 6 Billion – 14 Crores = 5860000000 ; 2930 MCs = 2.930 TMCs.
Hell even the whole wordl cannot help us; 2.93 TMCs is 1/20th 40 TMCs.
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How does the CRA (TN’s mouth-piece) think KA can release water when there’s no water in its own reservoirs? Pee in them??
BTW, here’re some stats we could use to enlighten this expert lawyer guy:
KRS Dam Nett Capacity: 49 TMC Ft
Mettur Dam Nett Capacity: 93.4 TMC Ft (can store nearly 2 KRS dams)
TN irrigation – top listed constraint & problem : Mettur dam doesn’t open its gates (http://www.tnau.ac.in/climarice/river_basin.html)
1. What the heck is TN irrigation department doing?
2. Why is the water flowing into Mettur not being released/utilized immediately? Where are the stats on that Mr Lawyer?
3. If the water (being released now from KRS) was for later use, the water could have been released ‘later’ itself, right?
4. Why does the Mettur reservoir most often divert the stored water towards Hydroelectric plants instead of a more primary usage in irrigation?
5. Why doesn’t the TN irrigation dept prevent sand quarrying downstream of Mettur so that it can easily release water to the intended beneficiaries?
6. Why target Karnataka farmers and snatch the water they in all ways deserve to utilize in this year’s poor monsoon.
7. Why doesn’t TN irrigation dept look at innovative ways to tap its rich ground water reserves for all domestic as well as irrigational consumption?
Despite all above conditions, what the CRA & the SC have forced KA to give is about the amount of water it could have given TN when there are (a) No Rains in TN state (b) No ground water anywhere in TN region (c) No water sourced from Kerala.
But all these three conditions are FALSE as of now. There’re good rains in TN state (NE Monsoon), being the lower-riparian state, TN enjoys great groundwater in the CDZ basin, and God Only Knows how much Kerala has been squeezed to give out to TN already.
Time for Tamilnadu to also strive hard to obtain “a name as a law-abiding State” eh? Let go of the dependency on the center to get water, and KA & TN shall be great neighbors.
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TN dont want water .pls close your dam always(even during flood season).or put wall.You two days back suddenly increased the release water level for TN,you people saying u dont have water,for 1 hours rain u can n’t store the water ?,Please think dont follow the politician……….pls……..
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Can the moderator remove the uncouth, rabbid comments by sisya.
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all bangaloreans (irrespective of caste, creed, religion, status in society, mother tongue etc..) who caused movement with Anna Hazare please support farmers’ movement of Kaveri basin in Karnataka… Else we people living in Bangalore (dependent on Kaveri for water, depends on Kaveri basin for food (rice, vegetables.. then milk etc..) may have to pay the bitter price in the coming year. No Kaveri water for Karnataka’s farmer means hefty price on water & food for Bangaloreans !!
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True lies,
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it is interesting that this hack of a post appeals to all types of arguments, including call to authority and assigning blame to caste, but does not mention a very relevant issue regarding the demand/requirements for the various purposes such as drinking water, standing crops to be harvested by sankramana. it does also does not mention the fact that KA’s monsoon season has effectively ended, while TN’s monsoon is to start this month.
at this point, with levels in all our reservoirs at historic lows, there is an understandable level of anxiety about the promises being made against the available resources, and a speculative expectation of possible future run-off flows.
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This issue is seasonal. Like all issues in India this is also forgotten as season changes. Tamil nadu, Karnataka, Raja, Kalmadi, Yedu, Gowda and so on!
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I think AIDMK/DMK funding this blog.
Swalpa jastine tale ketta, Swalpa jastine kodangigalu bareyuva blog, the Churumari.
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I appreciate Churumuri for publishing this piece. It takes guts to call a spade a spade. This article has changed my perception of Churumuri and its publisher. I had the impression that he is very much prejudiced against non-Kannadigas and that he can’t see beyond the end of his nose. Kudos to Churumuri for your bold stand, for it has helped me change my opinion about you.
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Emptymind:
You are the one being stupidly emotional. Anyway, what do “software coolies” and Infy have to do with this? You come across as another of those who have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the IT industry, for whatever reason.
Look at the brilliance of people like “Babu Ajay” and “Ganesh” above. They are whining about cauvery water now, and they think that they will “walk out” of the Indian union and fight it with the rest of the union after that. Stupid moronic thinking. These people probably want to make Karnataka another 1980s Punjab. These stupid people who live comfortable lives in Bangalore with all the facilities – only know how to make unnecessary wrong noises.
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Nothing will ever change unless we address the root causes – overpopulation, illiteracy, over-exploitation and pollution and destruction of natural resources and just plain thoughtless behaviour.
Today this will be a caste based issue, tomorrow language based, next religion based. Today it is TN against KA, tomorrow Maharashtra against Gujarat, and so on. The root of the problem will still remain.
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awesome krishna kumar!! you have hit the real pulse of the issue. now that you have called a ‘spade a spade’, you can slap your thighs and bump your chest your chest. you have won.
NOT.
nothing in this blog post lessens the legitimacy of our current struggles on the issue. if any of this were illegal, people would have gone to the courts on that. all of what is raised is junk boorNaas.
let us entertain some of the insinuations in this article for a moment. are you telling me vokkaligas as a community are not allowed to have an opinion, even if biased, in a free india? i’m not even a vokkaliga, even i find that offensive. and if we are going to single out and hold a single community responsible for an issue, then i have a roster of issues on which we as a general populace have been held hostage because a certain minority has been ‘offended’.
the KA case is clear. rational sharing. all we are asking for is a rational sharing rule, in distress and in excess, agreed upon by contemporaries. by us. if run-offs between oct-dec then what do we do for drinking water, and our primary standing crops?
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BASELESS BLOG,
In the blog, he gave 8 hypothetical explanations. He just concentrated on divide and rule approach. Fully biased article.
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It is clearly evident that govt of India and supreme court is incapable of solving the kaveri dispute, jayamma is eager for a major confrontation —– only solution is,
UNITED NATION intervention, let general assembly send a team of irrigation and agricultural experts from Africa, Europe and America, independent assessment be done, truth shall come out.
BEFORE BLAMING KANNADIGAS, PLEASE NOTE, greatness of kannadigas that they have allowed drinking water project by Tamil nadu in the disputed border area of hogenekal on humanitarian grounds.
Tamil nadu did not allow diversion of even sewage water for rejuvenation of ground water in hoskote and surrounding areas by going to court citing flimsy reasons.
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In think the karnataka politicians should consult the Kerala politicians for some good advice on how to handle the belligerent TN leadership. After all the kerala govt kicked the ass of TN Govt over the mullai periyar dam issue. JJ got the drubbing that she richly deserved.
Just to remind the readers of churmuri, TN actively supported the separation of Coorg from Karnataka during Ramakrishna Hegde tenure as chief minister. RK Hegde quelled this unwanted separatism in the bud thus averting a disaster. Tamils are known to fish in troubled waters….ever heard the Sinhala side of the story of the Tamil issue and how the media was manipulated to project as if the Tamils were the persecuted while the Sinhalese were the oppressors.
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Finally you proved yourself that you’re a real moron bringing up the caste thing over here, it might be a emotional approach by Kanandigas but you’re trying to divide entire Karnataka based on your baseless points mentioned above.
You say even Vishveshwaraiaha agreed(we know that Mysrore raja and Visveswaraiaha forced to agree) for 50 years and on the other hand you want it to be followed even after 50 years what an one sided approach..
Most of them who are real honest will think, speak and write right and we trying to expect that from a moron like you ! Sorry for that!
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Dr.Subramanian Swamy has a interesting tweet today…he says TN should desalinate the sea water instead of begging for Kaveri water….a very sensible suggestion.
Here is another one….TN should think of building more dams down stream to store water and also stop the sand mafia operating in the Kaveri basin….no amount of water released from Karnataka will reach the TN farmers as long as this is not stopped.
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oh, the people who use bisleri water to wash their thikas..
the other day you guys were calling kannadigas racists! now look who is dividing kannadigas by flaring up the caste issue – vokkaliga, lingayata, sc and st!! hypocrisy at its best.. che che..
another wonderful attempt at gaining more publicity (without merit), and you seem to be doing it quite consistently off late..
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the KA case is clear. rational sharing. all we are asking for is a rational sharing rule, in distress and in excess, agreed upon by contemporaries. by us. if run-offs between oct-dec then what do we do for drinking water, and our primary standing crops? ==> you were ready to share 4000 cusecs, followed(forceful though) the court directive to release 9000 cusecs and now you have stopped the flow, citing no water in KA. What are you upto, high drama well orchestrated and enacted in KA, great show guys.
Tsubba, KA is not ready to share even in distress or no distress. High time central govt take over this state and dams..
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Hi All
Really a Good Blog.
first understand how much
a) Length of Kaveri CAuvery flowing in Karnataka vs Length of Kaveri flowing in Tamilnadu
TN length is more
800 KMS = Karnataka length around 300 KMS + Tamilnadu Length 500 KMS
b) River Basin
Again TN is having more Cavery River Basin
Karnataka (34,273 km2),
Tamil Nadu (43,856 km2),
Kerala (2,866 km2) and
Puducherry (160 km2)
The Water Commission or Supreme Court or Central Government Tribunals take decision based on the FACTS not on Vokkaliga or Lingayat Votes.
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There are 12 Anicuts ( small & Big ) in Karnataka blocking the Water whereas Tamilnadu have only 2 ( Mettur & Grand Anicut – KallAnnai meaning Stone Dam )
(( The Chola king Karikalan has been immortalised as he constructed the bank for the Kaveri all the way from Puhar (Kaveripoompattinam) to Srirangam.
It was built as far back as 1,600 years ago or even more. On both sides of the river are found walls spreading to a distance of 1,080 feet (330 m).
The Kallanai dam constructed by him on the border between Tiruchirappalli and Thanjavur is a superb work of engineering, which was made with earth and stone and has stood the vagaries of nature for hundreds of years.
In 19th century, it was renovated on a bigger scale. The name of the historical dam has since been changed to “Grand Anicut” and stands as the head of a great irrigation system in the Thanjavur district. ))
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Homour : Why does the above 4 actress go to Governer for Kaveri issues ? Do these people have knowledge on this issue compared to Water Tribunal or Engineers
If Karnataka based Engineers meet Governor..then atleast we can say yes the Civil Engineers have made some Fact related ..but these actress without any knowledge just want publicity and doing such.
I request the Author to remove the Actress photos and Give the Map of Cavery ( flowing in Karnataka and TN )
Thanks
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“Cauvery is a political issue for the Vokkaligas. Historically, none from the Vokkaliga belt in Mandya and Mysore ever raised a word of opposition in 1924. Even after independence in 1947 or the re-organisation of States in 1956, none from Mandya or Mysore sought revision of the agreement of 1924. It is only after 1974, that the Opposition to the 1924. After 1974, the opposition in the Vokkaliga belt started but it is selective, targeting Non-Vokkaliga Government.”
–This displays an amazing amount of ignorance and on top of it communalises the issue. The basic issue is in colonial days after the defeat of Tipu, the British administrators of Madras Presidency concluded an unequal treaty in favour of Madras as against a hapless Wodeyars of Mysore. This agreement became defunct in 1974 and hence the treaty needed to be renegotiated on fair grounds. This has not happened because a lot more usage had ccome up in Tamil Nadu disporportionate to its share. This is the crux of the victimhood in Karnataka. No body has been able to correct a historical wrong.
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Many people say article is biased . May be up to some extent . The actual reason why we have the agitation again now is because we dont have rains this year ,which means there is scarcity of water in Karnataka. This can happen any where and water could be an issue any where .But the real issue is unattended. Have u heard any one speak about doing something to over come this issue during these agitations? Real issue is not the 30TMC water which Ktaka is short of or nor the 40 TMC water which we need to relese to TN. The issue is ,our underground water levels are decreasing year by year and we do not have an alternative for this. Thanks to urbanization, no one even bothers abt these stuffs.
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Forget old agreements , make a national river policy based on facts take the help of international river water sharing experts and also farmers and users of kavery water must hold a meeting on sharing water not our cunning politicians and money minded lawyers like Nari Man , this is not an unsolvable knot at all
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@Krishna Kumar: it is clear now that you appreciate people who bullshit
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all the comments above prove si are intelligent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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asha>> In think the karnataka politicians should consult the Kerala politicians for some good advice on how to handle the belligerent TN leadership. After all the kerala govt kicked the ass of TN Govt over the mullai periyar dam issue. JJ got the drubbing that she richly deserved.asha >> sick lady you are. case is going on and we are not belligerent and hell bent like your mannina magas. Not even willing to share a drop of water. current dam is safe enough. If kerala wants they can build a new one, please read anand’s report and note that it is not an ugly rivalry between KA & TN. Big time BS and keep off your pungent remarks at bay.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3353151.ece
Just to remind the readers of churmuri, TN actively supported the separation of Coorg from Karnataka during Ramakrishna Hegde tenure as chief minister. RK Hegde quelled this unwanted separatism in the bud thus averting a disaster. >> Anyways coorgis hate your mannina magas attitude and they don’t want to assimilate with your raggi mudde gang. Seen numerous posts including harkol’s where they show a clear aversion towards your dogmatic attitude on language & culture.
Tamils are known to fish in troubled waters….ever heard the Sinhala side of the story of the Tamil issue and how the media was manipulated to project as if the Tamils were the persecuted while the Sinhalese were the oppressors.>> why do you want to rake up such sensitive issues when over a lakh tamils got killed and whole world including US is against this inhuman attitude of rajapakshe. What are you going to gain out of this?
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@@Raja Raja chola(n) !!
We dont want ghandhian history!! .First learn what is the actual situation.
Even I can say history!!Your entire Tanjavur ruled more by Maratha kings rather than Tamil kings.!!Because of Rajaraja Cholas Extreme Tamislism all the sanskritized Tamil Brahmins(Iyers and Iyengars)moved to Melukote,Mandya,Chikkamagalur,etc of Karnataka!!Then half of the Brahmins moved to palakkad Kerala.!!
Even your own idiot Jayalalita hailed from Mandya(She is Mandyam Iyengari!).Why the great Tamil saint Ramanujaacharya spent most of the life in Karnataka(Melukote!).Whoe world know what is TN and KA.!!.
First learn what is the situation in KA and TN dont give river basin statistics we know inch by inch statistics!!
@@Churumuri Kittappa dont play fair game with innocent Kannadigas.idu tumba jaasti aytu annisutte .who will support this articles other than Kongas!!
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The author is more woried about “reputation of Kannadigas as a decent, civilised lot is muddied in the eyes of the nation” rather than common sense and truth!! Great
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U talk to any agricultural expert who has knowledge of crop patterns in both states, they are unanimous in their opinion,
Tamil nadu has been unduly favoured by the British and successive Indian govts wrt land under cultivation and no of crop cycles. Karnataka has been told to restrict farming in kaveri Delta but tamilnadu is free to cultivate.
Ground water in Tamil nadu kaveri Delta is available at 30-35 feet, but in karnataka kaveri basin , water is not available even 900 feet down.
TALKNG ABOUT CONTEMPT OF COURT PETITION,
Our great prime minister manamohana called off a river sharing agreement with Bangladesh, because mamata baneerjee disagreed to it citing injustice to west bengal—— where was the apex court then?
India went against srilanka in the UN vote for rehabilitation and reconciliation in srilanka, India had no business to oppose srilanka as it would mean interfering in the sovereignity of that country. Now srilanka and China have become close allies, this happened because of Tamil nadu pressure , national interest thrown to the bins.
TN is also having water disputes with kerala, so can one can assume TN to be rogue state? .
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hello raja raja cholan, tappu, hello raja raja sullan
full data from wiki…
basin : KA – 34K sq.km, TN 44K sq.km (KA/TN = 0.77 -> 23%)
Contribution: KA64% cub.ft TN29% cub,ft — KA figures (KA/TN = 2.2 -> more than twice the contribution)
Contribution: KA54% cub.ft TN30% cub,ft — TN figures (KA/TN = 1.8 -> almost twice the contribution)
drought area: KA 64% TN 29% (KA/TN = 2.2 –> twice the drought area).
KA demand: KA41% TN50% (KA/TN = 0.82 –> almost equal)
TN demand: KA24% TN 76% (KA/TN = 0.32 –> wants more than 3 times the water)
CRT2007 assignment: KA 37% TN58%
if anybody has irrational demands here it is TN.
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Only solution is to divert all rivers going to Arabian sea and bay of bengal in such a way they are diverted to flow from north to south and merge with Indian ocean at Kanya kumari . From such diverted rivers , canals should be dug on either side of the river to cater to various cities / towns .
It is not a question of Vokkaligas vs Lingayats . It is a proxy war between Jaya and Karuna – not even Dmk vs ADMK which every one should understand . Jaya barks better than karuna to prove that she is a Tamilian of Srirangam and not a a kannadiga of Manya / srirangapatna though she has a Kannada blood in her body . If Jaya does not bark like that , karuna will easily score over her as he is a better platform orator with better Tamil skill . Jaya can however speak in all south indian languages and convince all as she is doing all the time .
I am a Tamilian but I love kannada and kannadigas who are better educated and civilised . I love Rajkumar and his ever popular songs like naaniruvadu ninagage , satyabhame , bare bare etc . i saw shankar guru many times in Kempegowda road theatres . So let us call truce to this war and prey that we elect a strong Indira gandhi like Premier and cms like Nijalingappa , Kamaraj / Bhaktavatsalam ,
When Hegde and MGR were CMS , they did not allow this Cauvery problem to crop up as it is in the last 20 years due to petty politics in both states .
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thaks for karanataka view, super argument
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Mandya has been a curse to Mysore…divide Mandya among Ramanagar, Hassan and Mysore and wind up the district…all three districts will prosper…
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Tarle Subba, brilliant! You have shown RR Cholan the WaterShylock his place!
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Ram
>> case is going on and we are not belligerent and hell bent like your mannina magas. Not even willing to share a drop of water. current dam is safe enough. If kerala wants they can build a new one, please read anand’s report and note that it is not an ugly rivalry between KA & TN. Big time BS and keep off your pungent remarks at bay.>>
Case is going on…but look at the difference in attitude of TN Govt towards mallus and kannadigas’….it is not without a reason that mallus call tamils in Kerala as “Patti” (meaning dogs)….probably it was a very sensitive issue for you who keeps trying to harp on “mannina maga” kind of derogatory language..
>>Anyways coorgis hate your mannina magas attitude and they don’t want to assimilate with your raggi mudde gang. Seen numerous posts including harkol’s where they show a clear aversion towards your dogmatic attitude on language & culture.
You are proving my theory that tamils fish in trouble waters….so we eat ragi mudde…what do people eat in TN..dog poop. You quoting dogmatic attitude of kannadigas towards language and culture is like devil quoting the scriptures…so zip up..
>>why do you want to rake up such sensitive issues when over a lakh tamils got killed and whole world including US is against this inhuman attitude of rajapakshe. What are you going to gain out of this?>>
again i touched a raw nerve and showed the mirror to your true self of being obstinate, racist people trying to preach others….
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Tsubba: interesting statistics.
Where can I read more on this?
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Author’s research skill is very poor.
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Just like we buy water from Maharashtra, TN too should be asked to do that. Atleast then, we can expect them to be little reasonable in making demands…
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dr ramesh – I have to agree on what you have said about Srilanka, on the ground water situation in Karnataka but still disagree with you if you side with the current agitation that says no drop to tamilnadu.As a learned person, you can differentiate between negotiating on water discharge and no discharge.I still maintain even thought karnataka is suffering from serious drought that the so called “leaders” have whipped up hysteria in a stupid manner which will back fire on them.By this hysteric action Sc will come down hard and the whole state will have no face.This approach will certainly create more headaches for karnataka when andra farmers take up cudgels with Krishna/Tunga rivers and Maharastra might try your approach regarding Godaveri.karnataka stands to loose more in the long run.Kannadigas are known to be learned and sophisticated in entire India.You will also stand to loose this image totally.There is always a better way to fight for justice and this better way is peaceful way.In the land of Gandhi instead of worshipping his name, i hope people will learn from HIS knowledge and approach.All these agitations and corruption tells me that Gandhi wasted his time fighting for India’s independence .
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The agreement of 1924 is wrong, biased and entered under coercion. This needs to be revisited. It is not the problem of Karnataka and Tamilnadu, it is the national issue which should be addressed nationally taking local interest into account on the basis of equity and justice to one and all
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Case is going on…but look at the difference in attitude of TN Govt towards mallus and kannadigas’….it is not without a reason that mallus call tamils in Kerala as “Patti” (meaning dogs)….probably it was a very sensitive issue for you who keeps trying to harp on “mannina maga” kind of derogatory language.>> Come on lady, patti is the most commonly used by mallus, it is not against community. BTW mannina magas is not a derogatory word, it describes the sons of soil. Lady you on medication or something?
You are proving my theory that tamils fish in trouble waters….so we eat ragi mudde…what do people eat in TN..dog poop. You quoting dogmatic attitude of kannadigas towards language and culture is like devil quoting the scriptures…so zip up..>> yeah raggi mudde is like dog poop. Of course more than dogmatic you are a violent bunch of crusaders, aka KKK.
again i touched a raw nerve and showed the mirror to your true self of being obstinate, racist people trying to preach others>> If we are racists/obstinate you are uncouth,rabid & trouble mongerers.
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>>BTW mannina magas is not a derogatory word, it describes the sons of soil. Lady you on medication or something?>>
The way your use it is certainly derogatory on this forum….I am not on medication but I think you are smoking something very strong to make you talk like this.
>>Of course more than dogmatic you are a violent bunch of crusaders, aka KKK.>>
And we are proud to be KKK to ungrateful Tamils like you. Anyway it was TN which demanded to secede from Indian in the 60’s. You are not only racist/obstinate but also traitors to the nation…I think it is high time IPKF is sent to TN to put people like RAM in place…..they did a good job in Sri Lanka with LTTE, so let us use them in TN to straighten up creatures like RAM, JJ, Karuna, Nedumaran, Vaiko etc. BTW it is not today’s phenomenon, it is ongoing from Treta Yuga…where do you think Ravana hails from and who considers Ravana still a hero…..there you have it…another view of your horrible traitor face in the mirror.
Here is a suggestion for you..you should not force yourself to stay in a place you hate so much among people you despise so much….so catch the next train/bus to TN
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Shiv,
Problem is jayamma did not give diplomacy a chance before she went to CRA, if her intention was water for tamilnadu, she could invited shettar for talks or could have come to Bangalore for negotiating in a cordial way, more or little less, kannadigas are human enough to share water which they have been doing for decades.
But TN had made up its mind for a good fight, causing strain on karnataka’s economy. Only intention of TN especially BIG J is to instigate kannadigas.
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Sign this petition started by Manu and don’t fight on blogs.
http://www.change.org/petitions/union-of-india-dissolve-cra-cmc-and-give-full-autonomy-of-cauvery-to-karnataka
also check all the raw legal details put up at
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Violating-Human-Rights-of-Kaveri-Basin-People/111871262303473
We all want Tamil Nadu to learn how to save water and practice agriculture. It’s ironical that our neighbour with some 50000*unknown years of antiquity haven’t still developed safe agricultural practices.
first we taught you self respect movement . you backstabbed us claiming antiquity.
second you asked if odekavyaanda by brainwashing our own migrant serving you.
this time we have decided we will make you learn at any cost by not giving any water including hogenakal.
churumuri made a contrarian heading to invite you people to take the truth
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Lingayat propaganda machine at work again! Let’s at least spare water when targeting Vokkaligas. Or set this right by giving a thought to the way lake after lake in the Lingayat belt (Tumkur, Tiptur, Davanagere) is being destroyed under the watchful eyes of Lingayat MLAs and politicians on one hand and on the other hand Lingayat MPs and politicians like GS Basavaraju and S.Mallikarjuniah lobbied to get crores of rupees for a few road trips under the guise of surveys to Lingayat Engineers like Paramashiviah for nonsensical, ecocidal projects like Nethravathi Diversion scheme, which are estimated to cost lakhs of crores. The funda of Lingayat leaders is simple – destroy lakes and storage capacity of these districts and get lucrative contracts for water diversion projects to satisfy the greed.
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ahsa -> low life scum, full of contempt and as despicable as your mannina magas. My suggestion for you is to go admit yourself in a rehabilitation centre before you hurt yourself.
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tsubba,
If you meant you took your data from wikipedia, I am assuming you used this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri_River_water_dispute#cite_note-pdf-1
Why did you not link directly to it, instead of refering vaguely to a ‘wiki…’.
Let us see:
The table you mention, the important sections have no citations, or link to nowhere (i.e. manufactured data):
Quantity demanded by each state (no citation)
Share for each state as per TN’s demand (no citation)
Contribution of state (in billion ft³ according to Ktaka) (bogus link)
Contribution of state (in billion ft³ according to TN) (one bogus link)
Drought area in the basin (in km²) (broken link)
The only correct links seem to be:
Basin Area (in km²)
Share for each state as per tribunal verdict of 2007
Which was never in doubt and proves nothing!
BTW before cutting and pasting, you would have noticed the header:
This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (March 2009)
Next time you see a header like that you could do a basic check before pasting the stats…
DB,
Watershylock. Good one. Though with tsubba and his watery data, not sure who you were referring to :)
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Problem is jayamma did not give diplomacy a chance before she went to CRA” – exactly, i agree with you.dr ramesh.
When there is a problem between neighbours, if one of them runs to court what happens is a third person ( lawyers) will benefit.If I were CM of Tn, i would have visited shettar in Bangalore discussed the issue.I would have even requested former PM Deve gowda and former CM SMkrishna to attend. I am sure we would have found a way to settle the issue.That is how issues of this nature need settlement.Not through courts!! i am a tamil living in TN, i see lot of cultural connects in the way we each celebrate our festivals, our customs are identical, our language is much closer to each other.This artificial fight has to stop.Kavery water sharing is an issue, it cannot be wished away.At least we can agree to disagree , find a mutually beneficial solution and carry on with our lives in a pleasant manner. Indians need to develop grace,knowledge with authority and honesty.Our whole country has lost its way, almost all of them chasing only money and get all the illness like BP/Diabetes in return.Do indians really have a life style?Do they know how to plan and enjoy their leisure time?Do they continuously seek knowledge and perfection?We have become an idiotic race.Time we realise this.Why fight?
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Dr.Ramesh,
Unfortunately Karnataka farmers are the victims in this one up manship political game being played by JJ and Karuna…this is very sad…..
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Tamilians are known for their diplomatic ways, certainly personal politics plays with people’s emotion and ruin lives. It’s high time India gave up on democracy, it’s for ethical people
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Time to secede.
Well, not really. This is what happens when we elect spineless morons for leaders. Secession won’t cure that problem.
If there’s a leader who can stand and say, “This is how much water we have. This is how much we can share. If you want more you’ll have to kill me and my cabinet”, and actually follow up with his cabinet camped at the gates of the KRS, I am willing to cast my vote for that guy till eternity.
We also need a good PR strategy. I’ve been reading various news sources and they have an unmistakable TN slant and POV.
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`ಕಾವೇರಿ’ದ ಹೋರಾಟ: ಪಾತಾಳಕ್ಕೆ ಕುಸಿದ ಪ್ರವಾಸೋದ್ಯಮ
Link: http://prajavani.net/include/story.php?news=685§ion=52&menuid=15
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Well, where are we heading. It is a known fact that there is inadequate rain fall in the Cauvery basin of Karnataka. Why does not the TN govt understand this. Even in this situation TN wants Cauvery water for their 3rd crop – the Samba. BEFORE GOING FOR SUCH A VENTURE TN should ascertain the availability of water, which would be sensible. Under such circumstances, TN Govt., should explore other avenues to augment their requirement of water to save their crops and one such solution is CLOUD SEEDING and solve their problem, if there is any, without creating unnecessary problems to its neighbours.
If at all the TN Govt. is sincere and committed to help its farmers, let it think in this direction swiftly.
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Sir MV had to agree to the 1924 agreement under compelling situation created by the British with their southern headquarters in Madras (Chennai), who commanded over Mysore. Sir MV’s intention was to raise the dam level to 128 feet, which the British refused for obvious reasons. If Sir MV had not agreed to the 1924 agreement, KRS dam would have been far below the present level of 124 feet. After reorganisation of States, Kollegal areas have come under Karnataka and it was earlier part of Madras State. But Tamil Nadu continues to enjoy share of waters of that area too. Highlighting this, then CM S.Nijgalinappa declared at a function in Mysore that the 1924 agreement is not ‘sacrosanct’. Veerendra Patil, when he was the PWD Minister, opposed the pact and called for a new one. Further developments are well known. These are historical facts that one can obtain from records of that period.
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Never saw so much scurrility with refernce to one post.
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Agenda of Churumuri is clear. Be anti-Kannadiga. Take it Kaveri issue of RK Narayanan issue. You can expect the next article from Churumuri team… ”8 reasons why Bangalore should be union territory”
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Gouri Satya,
I have already explained your questions in my comments before.
“Many of the arguments here are faulty. KA has 42% basin area but is given 37% of water is because of the simple reason that a high % of the basin area is covered by forests where there is no irrigation requirements. Further KL contributes to more than 130TMC of water and the real fact is KA should provide only 60-70TMC of water from its origin. The so called political leaders have unnecessarily talking about 1924 and brainwashing the people. In I924 madras state got 566TMC and now only 419TMC – A huge loss of 150TMC. So, the CRA has taken everything into consideration. When there is a distress, it has to be shared as per the agreement. When the total water flow is only 60% of the normal then it has be shared equally instead of KA saying it want its full share anyway. EOD KA is losing because of the wrong arguments. I think no state government can influence SC in this country.”
You guys have to understand that the country cannot survive by favoring one state to another. Pls check whether you are diplomatic and considering non-violence in this case before pointing the fingers to us. If you want to rebuke, you’ll end up with LTTE which is not related to this issue. Let’s focus to this issue.
You want the karnataka tamil sangam to openly support you in this which they did of fear. You want everyone in your state to support you and you use rowdies like KRV etc., to achieve the same. But are we doing that in TN. There is a kannada sangha in TN and many kannadiga people too. We never threatened them saying “support us or face the consequences”. For god sake dont bring in Chennai vs bangalore here. You have to understand that the BLR-HOSUR-KRISHNAGIRI-KUPPAM-BANGARAPET region is unique where people speak 3 languages – kannada, telugu and tamil and it is not in bangalore alone. First understand this. If you want everyone to speak in kannada in chennai, then the similar argument is that everyone should know to speak in tamil in belgaum. You can come and see in hosur that many people speak kannada, there are kannada boards and we dont oppose them.
I’m ready for healthy arguments. But if somebody wants to thrash me, I welcome that too because then it will show their culture.
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Being an Sakleshpurian I must let the world know that the comment >> Coorg gives over 50% of water to this river >> insane, this river was named Cauvery by Agasthya or whichever the Saint had agendas behind it, like spreading Hinduism and stories made up in ashramas, but the fact of the matter is Sakaleshpur, Mudigere Alur Belur and Arkalgud contribute a huge part, almost twice that of the other part, of their rain water to this river and these rivers are called Hemavathi Yagachi, any doubt just check the water inflow to the dams of these rivers during monsoon and compare it with that of KRS, which is again lying on the lower banks and no farmer is let to pump water from the river from Javali-Goruru
and people trying to project Coorgis as a special tribe mind you they are just the people from somewhere settled in this part, their dressing their cuisines like Kalli Kadambattu Akki rotti are the exact copies of Huruli Kattu akkirotti, akki Kadabu that people in the parts of Sakaleshpur Mudigere and Somwarpet practice. You see any corrgi dance and any suggi dance of malenadu, you see Huttahri habba and the poja performed on the firstday of paddy reaping in Sakleshpur same to same Kodava Iain mane and malenadu thotti mane again same to same, so the culture is, just how you brag about it and how you pose in front of the camera, especially if the whole group is in a crisis to portray itself as a somewhat special they try to present their every nook as a unique thing which in reality is not,
this apart, to just to have an idea of so called Kodava pride ask any coorgi where was the India’s first coffee sapling planted he would say by British in Palibetta and he will show you a golf course, ask the same question to any other Kannadiga coffee planter or to a British or even to a European or to Viacom 18 USA crew he would say Sufi Saint Baba Budan, who hazardously brought the coffee seeds from Arabia, planted the coffee sapling on the steeps of bababudan giri in chikamagaluru, and those were the first coffee saplings to be planted out side of Ethiopia and Africa and which was later taken to Brazil and Vietnam
There is a place in Coorg where even Tibetan refugees have settled in, Coorg was ruled by a lingayat king Chikaveerarajendra only a coorgi knows how many NATIVE Amma Lingayats are their in all the parts of Coorg, and especialy in Somwarpet, thats why they divide it as north and south coorg LOL, I personally have my relatives in the south most part of Coorg, Kutta Srimangla, the family is indigenous. And they want a seperate Kodava land for what? chuck it.
Coorgis do not mingle with Raagi mudde eaters, what is so big deal in that, Gowdas of Chikamagaluru and Sakleshpur do not have any sort relationship with Gowdas of Hassan and Mandya obvious reasons were the food the culture the way they both talk and behave which is different like in any part of the world, especially in India. Exception case like Cafe Coffee day Siddartha and SM Krishna where the wealth subdues the rest.
And Churumuri is painting this as a Lingayat vokkaliga political spur, which is disgusting on the part of churumuri the belt Sakaleshpur Mudigere and Somwarpet is predominantly Lingayat and like someone said Lingayat politicians funding Lingayat officials to divert Netravathi, com on, to do that they have to drown lingayat families in Sakaleshpur and Mudigere and like you said it’s going to be ecocidal after the UNESCO’s world heritage tag, it’s now not in the hands of Lingayat leaders even if they want to.
And funniest nincompoop Raja thola’s comment, length of Cauvery is more in TN, you’re what? Imagine you have a meter long braid, its length is more on the back than that on your scalp, so just because its lengthier on your back do you oil your back or your scalp?
This river is a seasonal river it’s not fed by icy glaciers like in case of Ganges or Brahmaputra. Western-ghats, whose length is maximum and vegetationally richest In Karnataka draws South-west monsoon, and bear this in mind this monsoon is the only source of water for this river, and now you might be wondering how the river continues to flow even in summer, that is because of another marvel called ‘SHOLA FORESTs’ structure in the Western-ghats, if you don’t know what they are, they act just like wet sponge which drains out water at a constant speed and before these shola frorests run out of water the nature repeats the whole cycle, if it fails you see cauvery dispute and if it stops, god forbid it should not, but if it stops, mind you thola raja you have to escape either to Srilanka or Malyasia.
And don’t do hogwash with comments like one can see Kannada hoardings in Hosur, historically Hosur was kannada region,
Ooty whose indigenous people speak Badaga Kannada, does your Govt. provide education to them in Kannada? or do we get to see Kannada boards in Ooty?
I’m not sure how far it’s true but I’ve heard stories like while forming states Tamil asked Karnataka to choose either Malai mahadeshwara betta or Ooty? And Karnataka choose,. how funny if they felt they can give away any one of these two , why not both? well blame our politicians.
Whatever it is J Jaylalta still suffering of conversion hysteria, and churumuri don’t take up fragile issues like Vokkaliga-Lingayat-Coorgi and link it to a river called Cauvery , just to sell your idea.
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Adithyahk
Nice compendium of facts. I am with you 200%; I have strong ties with Alur :) More later…
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@adhithya,
I have no idea on the issue between the lingayat and vokkaliga and cannot comment on that. But I ll comment on the remaining.
1. It may or may not agasthyar who named kaveri as kaveri. But the river has got lot of mentions right from sanga literature.
2. Yes, nearly 50% of the river originates from coorg. Nobody denies the same. But no one in the world says that the river belongs to them just because it originates from their place. Infact the international water laws suggest that river water is common to all riparian states.
3. I can counter your point about the western ghats. I put forward a point that the monsoon developed the western ghats rather than the riverse. You know how monsoon rains come. It is because the hot air in the land draws moisture from the sea and the moisture precipitates as water. correct. Which means that hot air throughout the country – primarily from north TN and south coastal andhra in south karnataka/north kerala’s case makes the rain to precipitate in coorg and wayanad. correct. That means we are more responsible for the rain and we suffer the heat which makes sure it rains in your place. I’m still saying (the world also says so) that water is a common resource.
4. You can come and say that historically most of the TN is yours. You know that bangalore urban was mostly tamil before 1991 (not bangalore rural) and we unlike MH never insisted that it belongs to us. Your srirangapattinam, mandyam, ramanagaram etc., are all tamil names with tamil people dominating once upon a time. But there is no point talking about this anymore as the states have been divided long back.
5. Can I show you pictures that your chauvinists taking vehicles with kannada numbers (illegal) taking their vehicles inside TN (hosur, ooty etc.,) without any problem. Can we do that in KA? Of coursewe dont believe that writing Tamil numbers in vehicles will not grow our language and we dont practice that.
6. I have seen many badaga kannadigas prefer to learn tamil and not kannada. Have you seen a single dissatisfaction from them on that their language is suppresses in TN. While the coorgis and tulus feel they are suppressed and they are fighting in KA. Why this issues?
7. KA has only 65% people speaking kannada as their mother tongue which is very less when compared to AP, TN or KL. So, it has to be less chauvinst
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Ok guys, God & nature seems to have solved the Cauvery problem thanks to copious rains. Looks like all the tanks and canals will fill up on both sides now. And with NE rains expected in TN, water problem should be solved and the Cauvery dispute for this year seems to be settled.
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let all the tamilians staying in karnataka sacrifice their part of water and give to tamilnadu and be a model. they want to use the water what they have been provided and asking karnataka to give from their part…. quite unfair
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The problem with India is that we have too much democracy. We have been fighting about these issues and will continue to fight literally forever.
This won’t change as long as we have caste- and religion based politics and the political parties benefit only by keeping people illiterate and uninformed. These fights are absolutely necessary for our dear politicians to extract their mileage for the next campaign.
In all our years of independence we have never, ever showed the capability or will to solve such problems in a logical and mature way. Diversity needs to be respected but here it is always used as an excuse to oppose anything and fight about everything.
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Shankara, I thought Tamil and Kannada were languages not castes or religions.
DB, See srini’s reply on adithiyahk’s verbose ‘compendium of facts’. Why dont you come up with some facts of your own now, so we can test it out.
PTL, What is scurrilous in the post/comments?
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@vijayalakshmi,
You are either brainwashed or misinformed. The water that is used for drinking purpose is very very less and that is no the problem here. Major chunk of the water is used for agriculture. As you have already killed or pushed out tamil agriculturists in 1991, there is no problem with tamils sharing your quantum of water. Further the question here is not about tamils vs kannadiga as you always comment . It is about tamil nadu vs karnataka. Majority of the tamils have been living even before karnataka was formed and even before many kannadigas came to that place (eg) bangalore. There are the citizens of the land and it is absurd for you to comment like this.
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vijayalakshmi –> stinking idea..
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ಕನ್ನಡ ನಾಡಿನ ಉಪ್ಪುಂಡು ಇಂತ ಹರಾಮಿತನ ತುಂಬಿದ ಲೇಖನ ಬರೆಯುವ ಪರಭಾಷಿಕರು, ಮತಿಗೆಟ್ಟ ವಿಟ ಪುರುಶನಂತಾಡೋ ಕೇಂದ್ರ ಸರಕಾರ…. ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗನಿಗೆ ಪಾಠ ಹೇಳೋ ಬೇವರ್ಸಿ ಪತ್ರಕರ್ತರು…ಥೂ.. ಹೇಸಿಗೆಯಾಗುತ್ತೆ
ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರು ಭಾರತ ಎಂಬ ಕಪೋಲ ಕಲ್ಪಿತ ದೇಶದಿಂದ ಸ್ವತಂತ್ರವಾಗುವ ಕಾಲ ಸನ್ನಿಹಿತವಾಗಲಿ.
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@ Srini
Have you gone mad ??? How the hell can you say that mandya, srirangapatna & ramanagara was predominantly tamil ? Ramanagara / Ramanagaram or malleshwaram. seshadripuram are all sanskritized names due to brahmin majority who dwell there..U kongu if a place name ends with ‘M’ it doesn’t means that its a tamil area.U people never learn your lessons, may be you need another Rajapakshe to cut your wings.
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‘X’ Guy
I don’t need to produce another compendium! I relate very well to AdithyaHK’s post. Looks like you don’t so stay out of it.
With comments like “mandya, srirangapatna & ramanagara was predominantly tamil ?” Srini is obviously not serious in making his points.
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Tamils in karnataka, especially in Bangalore have resigned to the fact that their fantasy of making Bangalore and Mysore a part of Tamil eelam will never happen and they have realised that they were living in fools paradise.
They are slowly getting into the mainstream.
Prabhakaran, veerappan were manifestations of extreme Tamil parochialism which has been erased.
Small offshoots do persist, but its like a small pest in a big forest.
It was THE GREAT MR.BANGARAPPA who first gave TN the taste of their own medicine, after that kannadigas have put up a great fight whenever Tamils have tried to destabilize Kannada and karnataka.
Kannadigas should be greatful to AA NA KRISHNA RAO, M ramamurthy, Dr rajkumar, vatal nagaraj, narayan Kumar, chidananda murthy and many other Kannada idealists and crusaders who fought for Kannada Renaissance in karnataka.
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