ANANTH SHENOY forwards a self-explanatory report from Deccan Herald that opens up some evergreen questions: Is Karnataka too big for its own good? Are its politicians and administrators incapable of keeping every part of the State happy? Is it time to split the State a la Uttar Pradesh if they can’t get their act right, if they can’t keep everybody, everywhere happy and wanted? Or is the alienation of different parts and peoples of the State real or is it all in the mind?
Mangalore, April 22: The demand for Tulu statehood is still alive, said Kannada Sahitya Parishat former president Harikrishna Punaroor. Speaking after flagging off the Tulu Ther here on Saturday, he said people’s representatives and government had done injustice to Tulu Nadu. Tuluvas should be united to rectify these injustice meted against them.
He said Tuluvas are not opposed to Kannada. But to fight against injustice meted on Tulu, people of Dakshina Kannada, Udupi and Kasargod districts should unite. With the entry of mega industries, the water and the land is getting polluted in the coastal district. This also has an impact on Tulunadu culture, daivasthana and religious tradition.
churumuri 
Tulu statehood is BS!they are already assimilated into kannada speaking natives also in kasaragode,kerala,they are much more happier and made themself as a part of malyalees too.
though,North Karnataka from Hubballi onwards is a reality!
Thx chulbuli for posting this interesting topic :D
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Yea – North Karnataka is a reality! ;-)
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LOL…I wonder why Punaroor didn’t boycott KSP. That would have been a real nice move to show his displeasure!!!
Well, Karnataka is not in any special situation here. The separatists movement will be there evrywhere, all the time. If you have more than one human being, there is bound to be differences, it’s not rocket science.
Look at Telangana, look at Vidarbha, look at Saurashtra, look at Bodoland. Infact, the movement in Karnataka is nothing compared to some others.
For that matter, look at Chechenya, Kashmir, Catalonia…….
For one, you can NEVER keep everyone happy. That does not mean, dividing a state will solve the ‘problems’.
It is the duty of any state to make sure all people are heard and are happy. But come on, state can go to a certain length. Society has a bigger role to play.
A close friend of mine whose mopther tongue is Tulu, spekas Kannada at home (and she is a prolific writer in Kannada). For heaven’s sake, Punaroor and gang should stop playing petty politics. Bring the issues out, but don’t make it an ‘agenda’. Well, we all know how KSP presidents behave, don’t we?
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tulu , coorg , north karnataka and then GOWDA nadu , etc.,Good , now what would be the reaction of the KRV and th other fringe elements in society who have been bad mouthing and targeting the migrants and people who are born in Karnataka but belong to other states.
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Go ahead and divide by all means. Multiply by division…the same existing problems. Instead of complaining over Karnataka’s neglect, the Tuluva would only go through the entire lifecycle of woes –corrupt politicians of Tulunadu, feelings of disparity among Dakas, Udupians, Kasargodians; Make molehills out of the mountains and sit inside equally despondent –your cries will not even be heard across the mountain.
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Had there not been all that demented talk about taking the control of the Krishna temple out of the hands of the mathas, this claim perhaps would not have arisen.
Let’s allow all distinct regions in Karnataka to become states in their own right. We can bring back into life our old, happy, prosperous Mysore State and make Prince Srikanthadattha Wodeyar our king.
Good news for those vociferous admirers of Vikram Sampath’s book.
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Looking at KRV and the like, I fully support the cause of Tulu land
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It ain’t happenin’ as they say around here in the US. Not the establishment of the state, but the solution to whatever their problem.
As for Punaroor, this is the man who edited an author’s acknowledgment in a book being reprinted by the KSP to include his own name, and dated it long after the author’s death!
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Harekrishna is also one of Karnataka’s Draupadis. The rest are in the process of being morphed by the Dushyaasanaas of all parties. No Krishna to save us. I certainly don’t mean the bewigged, toothless adiyaalu of the Doresaani in Dilli.
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The call for splitting the states into smaller units are everywhere, Karnataka, A.P, UP, Maharashtra, W. Bengal. Nothing heard from Tamilnadu and M.P.
Finally it is coming back to the suggestion by late Sardar KM Panikkar, member of the state re-organization committee who argued for smaller states for uniform and better administration. At least hegemony particular states or linguistic groups could have been avoided in national administration and the present culture of dynastic rule as well.
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Dear All,
I am sorry but we cannot have states named after body parts! Can we have Kivinadu, Thalenadu, Moogunadu and so on? Come on,,,
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If people like Siddaramaiah and URA around, this is ought to happen. The point of being exploited for their natural resources and not giving them their share, makes quite a sense. But separation is no medicine.
A weird thought though — let them be successful in forming a new state out of Dakshina Kannada, Udipi and Kasaragodu. After some years down the line, let them join back Karnataka, along with Kasaragodu!
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Doddi Buddi,
You are funny, but I guess it might tub people the wrong way!
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It’s probably the best thing to do. Split up places like Coorg and South canara into separate states that can be administered more easily. Successive Karnataka governments have neglected these areas. You just need to look at the roads and inftrastructure provided to these regions.
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churumuri’s recent comments roster, on the right side of the front page reads …
Taleharate on ‘Demand for Tulu statehood is alive and ticking’
there are signs everywhere i thought.
TH, no offence to you solpa artha maaDkoLi.
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DB maarayre–
Puttananja is right. I have my own problems with your wise suggestion. All kinds of gender based issues enter the picture and some parts will have to remain nameless.
The rest of you–
Why do we even need a state? Have our lives become materially better after 1956?
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I thought I knew kannada, so I’m puzzled to learn that “tulu” is some body part??? Yaaradru dayavittu bidisi heli.
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DB,
Guruve, yeake shiva!!!!!
Well to put in your own words…..Yeano swalpa jaasthi togonda haage idhe haagae swalpa malkondu rest takoLLi!!!!!!! :-)
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KR,
Ee contextnalli “bidisi” anno pada sooktha alla.
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I was happy in Old Mysore!
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I am happy in New Mysore!
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VP,
I stand by what I said. There will always be a Tulunadu in the hearts and minds of people who live in Kanara. There will always be a Kodagu despite the huge influx of Mallus and rich Kongas. Now, you have to be careful when you ask for a separate statehood which IMHO is a disgrace! That is why I had to remind you in my own way that these areas are akin to body parts of Karnataka. I hope you agree with me now.
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I’m a tuluvas . I don’t want any tulunadu state but i want tulu script to be taught in schools. This is the only way to put fullstop to issue. This will help to preserve tulu culture and k’taka ‘s views .
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The need for a seperate states isjustified on the context of saving the traditionls.. It can be better for these induvidual communities to grow, rather then keeping them all in our cluthes.. Its apity to see the structure of infrasturure, and development in DK, NK, kodagu etc..
We should give up in case they do not want tobe with Karnataka, rather then suppressing them.
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i want seprate tulunadu state, bcoz if it doesnt happen in anther 10 years , kannada people vl kill tulu, nw only many shivalli brahmins, tulu protestent christians nd jains have started speaking kannada nd karnataka vl never support tulu ,konkani or kodava languages…. nw v can c in all regions karnataka rakshana vedike is coming up… nw if v doesnt get up then in anthr few years v hav to tell ther was language called tulu like pali nd many more extint languages
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Tulu is being dominated & is being killed by Kannada ,Karnataka is generalising the issue that whole of karanataka is kannada speaking. Tulu is a major langauge ,When we have smaller state than Tulunadu ,why not form a state . Why should our children forcefully learn others mother tounge ,instead of our own mother .
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Dear Kannadiga brothers dont get offended by this comment..
Whats wrong in Tulus having their own state… Tulu is definitely a different language from Kannada.. and when every major language has its own state.. why TULU NADU alone be suppressed..
See its not a normal kannadiga who cause problem to Tuluvas.. But fanatics who threaten the Native Tuluvas of the three districts with Tulu majority are the real problems… KRV is not for the sake of Tulu its only for the Kannada.. same way all major things are for Kannada only..
the first state A.P. formed from madras due to its own neglect from the influential majority rite.. same way Tulus are dominated by kannadigs.. whats wrong if Tuluvas have a state for their own..
Can Kannadigas tolerate if Tulu is imposed on them… same way Tuluvas dont want any imposition..
It will be right time.. if All Tuluvas from Kasasgod to Udupi.. join hands and request the central government to form a Tulu Nadu.. atleast a slightly smaller one than the actual… in case Tuluvas have to pay a price for that..
Jai Tulu Nadu.. Jai Karnataka.. Jai Hind
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Dear Tuluva Brothers and sisters…
Dont let the mother Tulu to die.. It hurts any indian when a language dies.. please come forward for a seperate Tulu Nadu..
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some people are telling there is demand for separate in other states too ….. but i vl appose that separation bcoz telagana speaks telagu , vidarbh speaks marathi nd saurastra speaks gujrathi … bt here its diferent tulunadu language is tulu , coorg is kodava , nd north canara is konkani so i thnk it should be separate state
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For those whose mother tongue is tulu has the rights to learn tulu scripts …but karnataka govt. (kannada people) dosent want this to happen , because they are scared if this is done then the communication will be entirely in tulu scripts and no kannada will be found in DK and udupi .So its not been allowed to teach in schools;This is slowly killing the language day by day forcebly in a place where it was born . so i support to have a seperate state . (Atleast our script and language will not get extinct). And it must happen as we see in India all other languages have its own state .
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Dear Tuluva brothers and Sisters…
If we are scared we will get vanished.. please become aware of our descendents identity crisis.. see we are not against Kannada,, we are only Tuluva Indians.. So a seperate Tulu Nadu is not something against the national integrity..see a Kannadiga needs a Karnataka.. Marathi needs Maharashtra.. oriya needs Orissa.. AND TULUVA fellow has to live in a state that doesnt give him and his mother tongue due respect and recognition…
I blame the central government that reformed the boundaries of indian states based on the Languages.. din they know Tulu is different from Kannada..
So atleast Late and not never.. claim our native land.. let it be for Tulu.. may be the official language of the new state can be Kannada also.. but a Tulu Nadu is essential.. I hope to see a Tulu Nadu such that all Tuluvas will be proud in my life time.. so first permeat this idea to all Tulu Speaking persons.. first lets imagine our Goal TULU NADU.. and later on it will Actualize itself..
Jai Tulu Nadu..
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Hi all,
Being a tuluva i suport to have our own state . But how it can be achieved.
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first of all tulu is an ancient language as old as tamil.Secondly tuluvas have always had a separate identity.Therefore creation of tulu nadu should not really bother kannadigas.And also the great vijaynagara king krishnadevraya was also a tuluva not a kannadiga.Therefore kannada freaks tamils anyways don’t like u and now don’t make the tuluvas,kodavas and konkani people despise u as well.I have nothing against kannada but i really hate the kannada chauvanist
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Because of dirty politics by kannada govt. being scared of tuluvas becoming united ..they just broke our tulunad into pieces as kasargod…udupi and mangalore ……If they are so worried about Belgam beging karnataka , y the same people let kasargod to go to kerala….this is because it was the land of tuluvas and these kannada people just followed the divide and rule method….tulunad covers from kasargood to udupi-kundapur to sringeri to mudugeri to sakleshpur to sullia to mangalore……beacuse of kannda now people have totally forgotton tulu scripts and in kasargod all is getting covered with malayali….but how can it be regained back as a state??
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jai tulunad
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First yearn for a Tulu Nadu.. then there shall be one.. See Telangana is not some thing easy to obtain but still there is chance.. but see only if Tuluvas raise their voice and tell the central government and make every one aware of a separate tulu nadu there shall be a time when Tuluvas can have a state of thier own..
Take the first step..
start a web site for a separate Tulu Nadu first.. and then a forum.. but i don know how many Tuluvas will support this.. and how many will feel Proud of Tulu..
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Dear Tuluvans,
What is the point? To save the language or get statehood? Also why bother relearning the ‘Malayalam’ script?:) I think you should all try and write to each other in Tulu script and then hope for better things. Also do you by chance mean Marathi script when you talk of Tulu script?:)
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For every person, his mother-tongue is something very close to the heart. Be it a Catalan, Walloon or Bangladeshi. Just like Catalans cant tolerate the imposition of Spanish, Tuluvas have every right to fear the extinction of their language by imposition of Kannada. And the KaRaVe is only exacerbating the situation. At the same time, to quote K.M. Panikker, viewing a seperate state as a “homeland” for safeguarding the traditions of a language is equally dangerous and threatens the unity of the Indian Republic.
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How will separate Tulu Nadu demand be a dangerous thing to indian republic.. when Andhra was formed from Madras wasnt it dangerous.. Tuluvas are facing the same situation that Andhrites faced those days.. sever identity crisis..
Is KRV not a danger to indian republic. Tulu nadu is not going to some other country, its just a rearrangement within the Indian nation according to the need of the hour.
If there is no action taken atleast now, the Indian history books will say, from Udupi to Kasargod there was a language widely spoken called Tulu and now its no where spoken. Though what I have told is an exxageration, there is probability, god forbid, for such a thing to happen.
Tuluva Youths, for association and fight for rights. Do spread this message and keep at the back of your mind that Tulu nadu should be actualised.
Jai Tulu Nadu..
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http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=57742&n_tit=Mangalore%3A+Tulu+Not+as+Weak+as+Made+Out+to+Be+%2D+Dr+Nandavar
see this link about the language getting extinct….
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Here is a little unasked for homily for Kittylanders!
If you want your language to survive you should stubbornly refuse all modernization efforts and claim everything originated from ‘your’ language. Look at the case of Tamil. Kongas are forever discovering new things in their language while claiming in a brain-from-body separation way that all languages originated from ‘waariginal’ Tamil. Their scholars are forever writing PhD thesis in Tamil on esoteric topics such as how children were raised in Tamil immersion culture dating back to stoneage!
Next, campaign in front of Karavali-based papers to print at least two-three pages of Karavali news in Tulu. Of course feel free to use a script closer Kannada. A Malayalam script may kind of decelerate your cause.
More homilies in my next post.
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DB,
Enri sir, cycle gap alli hegella comments haakidiri , https://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/is-the-demand-for-tulu-statehood-still-alive/#comment-76058 :) Sadhyakke yaaru nimmanna apartha maadkolilvalla :)
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Dear tuluvas, remember one thing this is a place to discuss about only Tulu and nothing else. Tulu scholars know what script to use. And what ever any Kannadiga may feel, i dont care, but separate Tulu nadu is the only solution to the current identity crisis faced by our community. Thanks to the mindless youth of today who learn all language other than Tulu. Speak your mothertounge and it doesnt matter you are able to speak the so called official languages. Official languages are created. But mother tounge is your born with you. So speak and keep Tulu alive. Trust me if you dont do this, many unfortunate things will happen.
Sadly,
A Tulu Nadu loyal..
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=57742&n_tit=Mangalore%3A+Tulu+Not+as+Weak+as+Made+Out+to+Be+-+Dr+Nandavar
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Wat “tullu nad” ? There’s only karunadu in karnataka and tat’s final… Instead of wasting ur time askin for seperate state here,go n work towards progress of ur community… “hard work yields to profit…idle talk brings only wants”
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I am from kasaragode.
tulu script is similar to malayalam?wrong.malayalam script is almost the old tulu script.malyalam is a new language.malayalam is formed out of tamil,tulu,sanskruta,arabic language influences.
while malayalees are may be different as in the blood line from nairs ,syrian christians(so called armenian jews),moplah muslims(arabic blood).but Malayalam unites them all.We Tuluvas were most closer to malayalam along with kodavas.
parashu rama created kerala from gokarna to kanyakumari.why not make a state out of current westcoast from gokarna to kanyakumari?although languages are different ,westcoast share many a similarities.
malayalam speakers are luckier that they are able to escape kannada,tamil influence by seperate state.I will prefer to be in kerala rather than part of karnataka where my language and culture is subsided by kannada enforcement.
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Well Said Aditi,I am also from kasargode.Let us join Parashurama’s Lands together,From Gokarna to Kanyakumari.Atleast Kerala goverment started Tulu Academy in Manjeshwar to protect Tulu language.Let us not divide state in the name of language.Divide it by geography.Keralites,Mangalorians and Koorgies look similar,share almost similar culture, food habits, and when we closely observe even language.
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kasargod shouldnt be added in karnataka … it shold be a part of new tulunadu state .. thats frm kalyanpur to chandragiri..
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helooooooooo…….. all are dead here, the new 10 aspirent states has announced but therz no tulunadu
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Dear All,
Considering the sheer number of delusional types here I would like to ask what ‘Roma’ did ole Parushram used in creating this Land? Methinks it probably came from below the waistline considering the attractive women who seem to be very popular in Mumbai these days:)
I am all for Tulu language but for a State based on Tulu is madness! I can clearly see a few crypto-Tuluvas shedding copious tears about the Kannada domination and shit! These dudes are laughable and should be laughed out of Karnataka.
Also Mallu mischief is legendary and I find it sad to see some impressionable morons towing their line of Tulu Statehood! Che che bahala anyaya!
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tulu state is good.but most tuluvas are migratory in nature.they are into bombay,madras and other prominent cities.most tuluvas are absorbed into kannada identity.
although,I agree that Tuluvas are closer to malyalis and kodavas ,their culture is now completely lost for kannadiga.so ,at the time ,tulunadu is impractical.stick with karnataka.
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anyone heard about world tulu conference in dharmasthala by veerendra heggade this year.this is the precursor of a tulu state.another important thing karnataka government awarded him kannadiga of the year award when they know he is a tuluva.don’t have any personalities from kannada origin or what.and another thing why is it that kannadigas claim all famous non kannadigas of karnataka as kannadigas.they did it with aishwarya rai,nandan nilekani,b.k.s. iyengar and numerous others.why poach from other ethnicities and anyways tulu is much stronger in tulu nadu than kannada is in bangalore.i beleive churimuri should start save bangalore from tamils than tulu from kannada blog.hey anyways haven’t heard of kannada rakshana vedike for a long time.they don’t burn buses nowadays or what!
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athhasa stop ur nonsensical comments that tuluvas are submerged in kannada identity.don’t you remember what an uproar it had caused in kannada media and blogs when aishwarya rai’s name was suggested as a chief guest at world kannadiga forum and she declined.Tuluvas are separate they might not be as vocal as kodavas but even today they proudly say that their mother tongue is tulu and are proud of their matrilineal culture.infact most tuluvas outside karnataka don’t even know kannada or show any love towards kannada.kannada is still alien to tuluvas even in karnataka.go to tulu nadu people still love to speak tulu not kannada even after 60 years of kannada imposition.even konkanis there love to speak tulu.that is the diffence between forced imposition of a language and natural adoption.
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Tulunad state has to be formed for good.
Tulu language & culture has been supressed & is being dominated by other language govt. “TULU IS A NATURES GIFT” why do you people want to kill this language & gain what .What harm have Tuluvas done to Kannadigas ? We love our mother tounge what is wrong in that .Why are you people not letting our kids learn Tulu in school. Why are you people not letting us add our language to 8 th schedule . This greed will lead you no where ,remember this.
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Tuluvas are fed up after seeing the report from the UN on endangered language list. tulu is included in that list and the number of people who speaks that language is decreasing and it is not speaking now a days in their homeland. I understand ur frustration. but don’t blame it on kannada people. Demanding for a tulunadu is not going to happen in future.
sTop daydreaming,
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Pure,
I liked your ..“TULU IS A NATURES GIFT” sentiment. There are other parts too you know which come under this category!
Hey Much Shining Merchant!
We Kannadigas are inclusive! I think Aishwarya Rai has embraced all sorts of ethnic types in her quest for companionship and lasting domestic happiness:) You sound like a Malayali-Tulu embittered man. Am I right?
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i do not know about a separate tulu state but tulu nadu might become part of kerala soon.kerala government has given permission for tulu to be taught in kerala schools.read this link http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/10/2009081720090817111901218f8ebf8ea/Kerala-woos-Tulu-as-K%E2%80%99taka-dozes.html?pageno=1
from next academic year.and anyways doddi buddhi and dasappa some kannadigas are frustrated that is why they beat up non kannadiga people like they did in mysore trough the militant organisation kannada rakshana vedike.tulu people do not do that.anyways kannada rakshana vedike should be more worried about the drought in kannada areas of karnataka.also nature’s gift meant that tulu is a vowel harmony language unlike kannada which is largely aggulinative.tulu is proven to be as old as tamil.so making fun of tulu without any information shows the limits of your intelligence mr doddi buddhi.Tulu is also taught in turku university in finland and it has the highest number of research articles dedicated to it in the International journal of dravidian linguistics after tamil.just because you love kannada does not mean you should hate tulu.also tulu people do not bash tamils and call them kongas.this shows tuluvas do not spread hatred unlike some fringe kannada groups.also kannadigas fear tulu nadu separation more than the kodava demand because tulunadu contributes the highest revenue to karnataka state after bangalore city.
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mr veera kannadiga and dasappa
tulu people are anyways more prosperous than an average kannadiga.highest levels of poverty rates in india are found in north karnataka.most of the prosperous region in karnataka are non kannada.Tulu Nadu kodagu north canara bangalore are non kannadiga region.i added bangalore because bangalore is not kannada majority area.you can live without kannada in bangalore.even mr narayana murthy apparently never speaks in kannada.the unesco report is non sense.it has even listed bhojpuri and marwari when they have over a crore speakers.
also unesco report mention tulu under risk of endagerment,not endangered because it hasn’t received official patronage like kannada.kannada is dying in bangalore inspite of official patronage.anti-tulu attitude by the so called karunadu government will only end up destroying karnataka.and mr yeddyyurappa’s official site mention udupi and mangalore districts as tulu nadu region.Mr veera kannadiga even yeddyurappa acknowledges tulu nadu.mr veera kannadiga your attitude will create a lot of I hate kannada people in karnataka.Kannada is a beautiful language it is the chauvanistic kannadiga attitude that destroys the image of kannadigas,like how was kannada pride involved with thiruvalluvar’s statue in bangalore.
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doddi buddhi your homilies are unenlightening.they are dose of rubbish and involve xenophobia.also since you love calling tamils kongas.i would like to tell you what Tuluvas call kannadigas.they call them baseydanti nagul which means uncivilised.stop bad mouthing non kannada ethnicities
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@prajwal shetty
Kindly Learn to coexist and understand that People of Karnataka (including Tulu speakers) are most tolerant in the country. We were empire builders:Kadamba, Chalukya, Rashtrakuta and Vijayanagara were karnataka empires. For thousand of years Tulu speaking areas were part of Karnataka empires. That is why these areas became part of Karnataka during state reorganization. Krishnadevaraya who is most respected karnataka emperor was Tuluva. Please read the history.
Because of infighting, India was ruled by foreigners for thousand years, I am afraid it may happen again if we do not learn to coexist. If Kodavas and Tuluvas do not want remain with Karnataka then Kannadigas may not want to be with India! This infighting, intolerance, feeling of superiority will be a threat to the integrity of the country. We understand your pain about the future of Tulu language and sincerely hope it will co exist with Kannada. Kindly find other means to safeguard the language than demanding a separate state. Going by the recent developments, your wish of separate state may be a reality due to corrupt/selfish ruling class, but that will provoke and unleash the sleeping gaint-Kannadiga. I am not chauvinistic kannadiga, but I love the integrity of karnataka as much as the integrity of India.
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Hey Much Shining Merchant!
There is Kannada shining in your surname!! [deeply bowing] I accept the Tuluvan honor of being called ‘uncivilized’. Any thing else?
I am going to research Tulu language. May be even get a Ph.D! I think I will henceforth and forthwith speak in Kitty Language:) Nokia means something in Tulu? I am impressed.
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@vishal
“nw only many shivalli brahmins, tulu protestent christians nd jains have started speaking kannada nd karnataka vl never support tulu ,konkani or kodava languages”
FYI, Tamil, Malayalam, Telugu , Marathi, Konkani, Tulu , Sanskrit, Kodava
tell me what’s common in them – It’s Kannada. It won’t be too far when English’s 26 letters will be a part of Kannada. When we can retain the legacy of tradition for milleniums can’t we conquer. Conquering/Converting is a lesser science than retaining, committing and refining.
If you separate tulu as they have done tamil – no problem. There will be hundred more coming up. Kannadiga / Kannadathi can write hundreds of computer languages as they can speak hundreds of humans because Kannada is abstract.- that means if you know kannada in it’s perfection from old to new , from folk to refinement you can devise / discover the evolution of any language.
Kannadave Satya Kannadave Nitya . Sirigannadam Gelge, Sirigannadam Balge,
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This is how we can start integrating Kannada and Tulu. Let us start teaching Tulu along with Kannada in schools. To write Tulu, We need to use Kannada Script . That way there will not be any problem in learning Tulu. It appears Tulu is similar to Halegannda.
Here is the related article in Prajavani
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http://www.prajavani.net/Content/Dec172009/netmail20091216161197.asp
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Article in Prajavani on Tulu Language and 8th Schedule of the Constitution
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http://www.prajavani.net/Content/Dec202009/sunday20091219161657.asp
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Anybody up for hunger strike?
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Tulu language has been overshadowed by Kannada. Similarly its culture has also been overshadowed by the big brother. So either Tulu Nadu should be made a separate state or an autonomous region within Karnataka. Otherwise this culture and language would be wiped off.
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Hello All,
There is no way for separate Tulunadu bifurcating Kerala. first of all, there is no existence for Tulu. There is no independent script available in Tulu. They may use Malayalam and Kannada scripts either.Check with Wikipedia. All the thing you can do is, if you are in boundary of Kerala, stick on there by preserving your culture, do not engage in separatism. If your area being neglected, it should be talked to your MLA/MP and other politicians. We are already fooled by giving Kanyakumari to Tamil Nadu without much thinking. Always think about state of kerala from gokarna to kanyakumari. Also do remember that, if you are in Kerala, you can maintain your culture and language. No body will force you to learn Malayalam. But if you go to most of the other state, that is not the case.
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Malayali,
Perfectly understood; Whats the deal with Kanyakumari? I thought it always a part of TN? Please enlighten us. Thanks.
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Kanyakumari was part of Travancore, which is one of the kingdoms of Kerala along with Koch and Malabar. The predominant casts there are Nair and Nadars. Nadars are more comparatively. Nair were landlords and Nadars were laborers in Nairs’ paddy fields. So these Nadars were not satisfied with their position. Nadars mother tongue was Tamil and Nairs were Malayalam. So Nadars agitated merging this area to Tamil nadu and merged with TN. However these Nadars were once migrated from neighborhood Tirunelveli after having conflict with the local kings. Mr: Doddi, I think now you are clear.Actual Kerala area is from Kanyakumari to Gokarnam where Kanyakumari to Kasarkod speak Malayalam and Kasarkod to Gokarnam speak Tulu
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Malayali,
Thank you for the information. alight correction: from Kasargod to Gokarna we speak Kannada mainly and Tulu.
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Instead of holding the MLAs and MPs of their area accountable people assume redrawing boundaries to their own compound will fix everything.
This is getting hilarious by the day.
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@ Doddi Buddi
“Thank you for the information. alight correction: from Kasargod to Gokarna we speak Kannada mainly and Tulu.”
This shows ur ignorance.Kannada was never the local language in DK, Udupi districts of Karnataka and Kasaragod Taluk; its more like an imported language that Tuluvas learnt when they were ruled by Kannada empires. And ya…If u don’t know correctly on a subject, its better you do not comment on it. For your info, Kasaragod has two taluks viz Kasaragod and Hosdurg.Its in Kasaragod Taluk that Tuluvas form the majority, more than 60% of the total population followed by Malayalis, Konkanis and Marathies. In Hosdurg taluk, Malayalis form the majority, with 92 % of the population speaking Malayalam followed by Konkanis. Don’t be cheated by the name “Hosdurg”. Its a Kannada corruption of the name “Puthiyakotta”. A ruler known as Shivappa Naik changed the name from then Puthiyakotta to Hosdurg by force when he invaded Malabar. Kerala govt unlike Karnataka govt (which only works foir the cause of Kannada, imposing kannada on other languages), retained Hosdurg even after kasaragod merging wit Kerala (unlike Karnataka, keen to rename Belgaum to Belagavi). Tuluvas who were slaves of Kannada, opted for Kannada schools as they were so much attached to that language although historically they are more closer to Malayalis. Thats how Kannada survives even today in Kasaragod. You Doddi Buddi needs to thank Tuluvas for keeping alive Kannada in Kasaragod.But to be fair, there are Kannadigas in Kasaragod. These people are called Koteyars. These people were brought from Mysore and adjoining areas to Kasaragod (including whole Tulunadu) to maintain forts built by Bedanore Naiks). Another sect is Havayka brahmins whom speaks a very old dialect of Kannada. But these groups are tiny in comparison to Konkanis living in these areas. But they are lucky as they can now learn Kannada here thanks to Tuluvas…
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Arun,
In your own convoluted way you have proved my point. Yes, I thank the Tuluvas for keeping Kannada alive and ticking from Kasargod to Gokarna.
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see guys there is no point of fighting here, tulu was ,tulu is nd tulu vl be separate language , u know tulu is spoken by 75 % of people in tulunadu region except kasargod and hosdurg, 10 % konkani and 7 % kannada nd remaing the npeople speak other langauges like malayalam , marathi etc… as in hosdurg malayalis have occupied nd they form the majority nd in kundapur 90 % people speak kundagannada… if tulunadu state doesnt form malayalam will spread in whole kasargod dist nd kannada in udupi nd d.k
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Mr Kadala and Doddi,
I am not sure about the break up of percentage of Malayalees, Tuluvas, Kannadigas and others in Kasargod and Hosdurg taluks.But I am sure Malayalees will not dominate others in any other region. It is the land of Kerala so Malayalis can move anywhere they want. Certainly it is not Kannadigas business to intervene in DK, Udupi and Kasargod districts’ cultural issues, at least in Kasargod. In Kasargod, we are neglecting or never minding the voice of Kannadigas for the voice of separatism and would like to give a message to Tuluvas there is no chance for bifurcation of the Kerala State any more.
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I just stumbled upon this site website and was shocked to see a Malayali here spreading misinformation. TN did not Kanyakumari for free. It was a Tamil majority region but still was included in Kerala. It was later transferred to TN after a long agitation and loss of precious Tamil lives. Stiil TN had to give away Palakkad to Kerala in lieu of Kanyakumari. People like to keep harping on what they lose but convenently forget what they gain.
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Mr SS,
Whatever you are saying is truth, but fact is Tamils were making majority in Kanyakumari. The dominant cast Nadars were migrating from Tirunelveli. Still Tamil language spoken in Kanyakumari has significant influence of Malayalam. This is because Malayalam is the earlier language compared to Tamil in KK. No where you can see the minority language influence on majority language except like these places.
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Tulu is the second oldest language in South Dravidian language family next to Tamil. Even the new language malayalam adopted Tulu lipi for their writing sake… Also Tuluvas has large chunk of territory as their motherland. So why not state reorganising committee dint recognised the Tulunadu, because those in state reorganising committee those days failed to distinguish tulu and kannada as separate language and Tulu leaders at that time failed to protest for a statehood for them. I respect Kannada people but they cannot prevent Tulus and kodavas to have their own states. So We people of Tamil Nadu and Kerala are ready to support statehood demand for Tulus, Kodavas which both are recognised as separate language.
@ Chennai Keralite…. I want to say him dont be stupid on history of Kanyakumari. Though Kanyakumari was part of Travancore it doesnt mean Kanyakumari is part of Keralam. Kanyakumari has long tradition of Tamil language. Tamil language influenced upto kollam until 18th century where as Our Malayalam language which is closely related with Tamil was mostly spoken in Malainadu or modern Malabar regions and spread to south .until Trivandrum during this time. In my point of view and general point of view… Tamil is the native language of modern day Kanyakumari region and also Palghat region.
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Mr Rajeev Menon,
I am sure you are not a Malayalee, although you suffix Menon along with your name. I am going to prove that:
1. Your sentence “”So We people of Tamil Nadu and Kerala are ready..” if you are real keralite/Malayali, you would just mention as “We people of Kerala..”
2. Another word “Malainadu”, again if you are keralaite you should have said “MalaNadu”.
So you are a pakka Pandi..no issue. What I am trying to point out here is that Kanyakumari is very close to Kerala in terms of their place name, culture, geographic structure etc. How Tamil became majority over there? as I already explained, Nadars from Tirunelveli moved and settled down in Kanyakumari. In Palakkad you can see mainly Tamil brahmins who were again immigrants from Tanjavoor. Anyhow no Keralites are going to claim over Kanyakumari henceforth, that was mistake from our politicians, but we are not ready to loose our Devikulam, Moonnar, Udumbanchola, Peerumedu, Neyyattinkara, Chittoor of Palakkad and Kasargod to our neighbour states, though we know that they always have their one eye on our lands.
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Let your Demand for Tulunad succeed.. All the best….. with regards from Prathik Thith ,
Virajpet,
Coorg…
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MYDEAR TULUVAS
kannadigas are large hearted(vishala hrudayadavaru) people.they never hate tulu(did anybody found incident like kannadigas hate tulu…answer is nooooooo !!)..many kannada speakers also speak tulu with tulu people..why should kannadigas hate tulu?..most of the people dont know history of karnataka/kannada simply talking over here !!..there exist 2000 years history with kannada/karnataka..many kannada kingdoms like chalukya,rashtrakutas,vijayanagara empire ruled major part south india(no marathas,no tamils !!).thier mother tongue and official language was kannada.FROM TRAVANCORE TO NARMADA RIVER OF MADYAPRADESH RULED BY KANNADA KINGDOM.that is the reason karnataka state was formed.
..KANNADA PEOPLE ALWAYS THINKZ THAT TULUVAS,KODAVAS ARE BROTHERS..WILL ALL TULU/KODAVA PEOPLE THINK VISE VERSA .?..ANSWER IS NOOOOOO..THOSE WHO KEEP ON SAYING TULU IS RUINING BY KANNADA/KARNATAKA IS BASELESS AND HIGHT OF FOOLISHNESS….THIS IS CALLED HIGHT OF SELFISHNESS..TULU NADU HISTORICALLY PART OF KARNATAKA(DONT SAY NO OK)..KANNADIGAS NEVER HATE TULU..THEN WHAT IS THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN TULU NADU INSIDE KARNATAKA AND OUTSIDE KARNATAKA ?..GOOD KANNADIGAS MAY ALLOW YOU TO FORM A TULUNADU STATE BUT BAD MALAYALEES NEVER GIVE YOU KASARGOD….HUMMMMM !!!
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We Indians cannot stay together. The British found out a way to rule us. It was Divide and rule.They succeeded. Even after they left We still want to get divided.
Get Divided as TuluNadu.., Later based on caste and then by means of disparity in status.
After everything is accomplished then try to root yourself as Bombay Tuluvanadu and Karnataka Tulunadu.
Two languages were merged by means of script. all of them join hands in ripping apart the connection. This is good for the states and the country.
Tulu is a unique language. Uses the script of Kannada.., looks a lot like Malayalam. So be it, I fell nice to tell people that We are bridge between two languages. We are multilingual. Why should we fight.
when has people of Mangalore responded when ever there is a state bundh or any other thing got to do with Karnataka. Why should we keep blaming them. We have taken refuge in them for sure. If we are famous today then it is becaused we are allowed to do any think in this land.So be happy.
All the people who have found success in bombay come and visit Tulunadu for dome reason. Either they want blessing from our Gods or some thing in the name of charity.
Why should we fight for those who dont beong here and lose our brothers Kannadigas.
I feel Kannadigas are melow people they assimilate any one easily. So Lets be good sport and not manhandle their sentiments..
I love Tulu and I love Kannada and Karnataka. Lets not divide
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“The natives of the undivided coastal district are undergoing tremendous hardships as the vast fertile farmlands held by them are being exploited in the guise of development.
They can no longer bear the brunt of exploitation and it will be an appropriate time to revolt in order to demand a separate Tulunadu”. What was spoken about tulunadu in the sammelan was the need of the hour. This is because there are not development projects in the undivided south kanara district which benefits the district.
Our farmers sacficied their land where they were born for nagarjuna only to see that the power generated by it will be supplied to other parts of the state.
There is no participation given to the crickets from the twin distrcts as cricket dayanand bangera observed recently in his article.If we keep quiet we will be the loosers. It is not too late for it.
Tulu Nadu should be created. Reasons
1) There are 5 dravidian languages one of them is tulu and rest all have own states.
2) As per the constitution a group of people speaking a language and having seperate culture are entitled to have seperate state
3) Tulu and tulu Nadu culture will vanish if we do not have a seperate state. Tulu nadu had become kannada maya in the last 65 years
5) Although tulunadu brings in 2nd highest income to Karnataka state hardly any of it spent on Tulu Nadu
6) There are hardly any job opportunities in Tulu Nadu and hence people migrate to other places losing manpower
7)We people from Tulu nadu do not have a seperate identiy of our own. kannada cannot be our identity and kannada is not our language
8) If kannadigas argue that seperate statehood for tulu nadu is unacceptable, they only have to go back to their history ask themselves why they seperated from tamil Nadu.
In addition
1) Kodugu, Mangalore, Udupi, kasaragodu,Brahmavar, Sakaleshpur should be added together to form Tulu Nadu
2)Tulu should be made official language with encouragement for konkani, koorgi and byari bashe
3)People should study in tulu & English and only our regional languages such as Sanskrit, koorgi, konkani and byari bashelanguages
4)Tulu news paper should be published instead of kannada news papers
5)All the people should be made aware of the need of a seperate state as it is our constitutional right
6) All those who think that a seperate state is not needed unfortunately are not aware of few important factors and are not proud of our languages and culture
7) having a seperate state is not against anybody as we will be still in India having our own state ( own identity )
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Madhav,
Yes I support your views. But why deny official status for Konkani, Coorgu, Btari Bhashe? Wouldn’t they feel left out?
How easily you talk about annexing Kodagu? Sakleshpur, really? LOL
Think about it?
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Thank you for the valuable comments Doddi Buddi. I concord with the concerned expressed by you. I would, however, like to highlight the following.
People from Karwar and Joida, however firmly state that Konkani is their mother tongue. The culture is similar and the geographical contiguity, besides historical factors, makes it a stronger case under the criteria laid down for state reorganization.
Joida has an area of 2622 sq kms for hardly two lakh population. It has more forest than human habitation. The areas have lots of dams on river Kali. It has its own power generating units, including the Atomic Energy plant at Kaiga. Karwar is equally a well-developed commercial centre. Its language and culture is also synonymous to Goa.
As far as the argument regarding Kannadigas in Karwar is concerned, like in another disputed town of Belgaum, the Karnataka government has consciously appointed Kannadiga staff in all the government establishments in the district of Karwar, including the police force. Compared to this Kannadigas in Karwar, however, Goa may have more Kannadigas in the towns like Vasco, Ponda and Margao alone.
The original settlers of Goa are Gawada, Kunbi and Velip communities. In Canacona (Kaad Konn?), their main temple is Shri Mallikarjun (called Mallkhajan in ancient days) at Shristhal. Shisha Ranni is the most famous feast of this temple. The Tarangam of this feast, traditionally, go up to its border and come. This border is called Taranga Mett, which falls beyond Karwar city, at Baithakol, almost on the border of today’s Karwar taluka.
Historical facts thus prove beyond doubt that Karwar was part of pre-Portuguese Goa.
The Mahajan Commission report, submitted in 1967, clearly stated that Belgaum and surrounding disputed areas are Marathi-speaking while the areas of Karwar-Supa-Haliyal are Konkani-speaking. Konkani was officially not recognised as a language by any official body till then. But the movement to establish it as a literary language and to unite all Konkani people in the country had started from Karwar, by hosting the first ever Akhil Bharatiya Konkani Sahitya Parishad in 1939.
Touching upon the demand of Konkani people from Karwar, Karnataka, noted writer, Padmabhushan Ravindra Kelekar, who recently bagged the prestigious Gyanpeeth award, called for amassing Konkani regions. He said that the Konkani movement will not halt until and unless Goa becomes ‘Gomanchal’ , on the lines of Uttaranchal and Himachal.
Karnataka is not a homogeneous state as evidenced by its diversity. Kannada spoken in different regions of the state has been “colloquialized “, to such an extent that in many instances it is incomprehensible to one well versed in classical Kannada. Even more surprising is the presence of two districts in Karnataka that speak entirely different languages, which makes one wonder how they were classified under the linguistic state of Karnataka. These two regions are Tulu Nadu and Kodagu. Though Kannada is the official language, the spoken languages here differ a great deal from it. When the history of Tulu Nadu is studied, the reasons for it to be included in Karnataka become apparent.
The areas currently known as Dakshina Kannada and the coastal part of the adjacent district Uttara Kannada up to Gokarna are the historical Tulu Nadu. Many centuries ago the center of Tulu culture was probably in the Uttara Kannada (Honnavara), and Udupi as well as Mangalore were at the periphery. Today, however, Tulu is spoken only in the region below River Kalyanpur. The people living north of the river now speak Kannada. The reason for this is not clear in history. The region, although it maintained some form of independence, was always under the suzerainty of various rulers and dynasties that controlled Karnataka. Tulu Nadu was originally called Alvakheda (a second century C.E. reference from Greece calls it Olokhoira). Many historians agree that this is the region Emperor Ashoka referred to in his edicts as Satiyaputra, one of the four regions outside of his empire (the other three being Chola, Chera and Pandya kingdoms).
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar views on smaller states:
The observations of B.R. Ambedkar, the principal architect of our Constitution, on the desirability of smaller States are prophetic. He welcomed the recommendation of the States Reorganisation Commission in 1955 for the creation of Hyderabad State consisting of Telangana region and creation of Vidarbha as a separate State. Further, he envisaged the division of Uttar Pradesh into three States (Western, Central and Eastern); Bihar into two (North and South or present Jharkhand); Madhya Pradesh into two (Northern and Southern); and Maharashtra into three (Western,Central and Eastern). He was for linguistic homogeneity of a State in the sense of ‘one State-one language’ and not ‘one language-one State’. He thus envisaged two Telugu speaking States, three Marathi speaking States and a large number of Hindi speaking States. (Ambedkar, 1979)
While arguing for smaller States, Dr.Ambedkar was guided basically by two considerations. One, no single State should be large enough to exercise undue influence in the federation. Drawing from the American experience, he thought that smaller States were in the best interests of healthy federalism. On this issue, his views were similar to those of K.M. Panikkar, set out in his note of dissent to the Report of the States Reorganisation Commission. Second, he thought that socially disadvantaged sections are likely to be subjected to greater discrimination in bigger States because of the consolidation of socially privileged or dominant groups. (Ambedkar, 1979)
Reference – Ambedkar, Dr Babasaheb (1979), Writings and Speeches, Vol. I (Part II—On Linguistic States), Education Department, Government of Maharashtra.
Regards
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Very cunningly you have avoided some simple issues I had raised and suddenly you have veered towards Goa, Karwar and its environs. You still don’t answer why Coorg should be under Tulunadu. Why Sakleshpur? Even you know historically, Belgaum is Belagavi. So why fudge the facts? You come across as a very selective researcher in stating historical facts. BTW there were a lot of things said by Ambedkar. So don’t be very selective in taking his views on linguistic states either.
I am sure Byaaris want a separate state carved out of Tulunadu.
It is simple: if a language dies out it does so due to external and internal influences. Kannada itself faces the same challenge daily but linguistic minorities in Karnataka are the RCC (Reinforced Cement Concrete) that holds Kannada fort strong. Even tiny Kerala do not look kindly at non-Malayalam speakers in Kasargod. Please don’t be delusional. When you are among your own folk speaking Tulu 24/7 you somehow feel you are in Tulu Universe–that is good. The moment you wish that experience be taken to next level, frustration sets in. So you are well-advised to put your energy in working for Tulu language. Thanks.
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There will be no Konkan State with Girish Karnad as its first governor. Karnataka and Goa have too much to lose in that scenario. There will be no Tulunadu because two million speakers are not really a large enough group to own a state, especially with a bunch of contentious Kannadigas living among them. If some by miracle Tulunadu does emerge we could make U. R. Ananthamurthy its governor. Many Tulus themselves do not like the idea because Karnataka has done well by them. Utthara Karnataka is a distinct possibility. If the plight of our brothers and sisters there is going to be a jot better as a result of secession, I am all for it. But then look at all the mangas in leadership positions in that part of Kannadanadu. Besides, Yeddi would want to be chief minister of both North and South Karnataka. He can thus add to the chattees or painthees ghars he owns all over India. The Lingayath mathas would be delighted with the arrangement. Incidentally, Churumuriyappa, stop spelling the word “Mutt.” By now we know what you think of those august establishments. “Matha” is less of an eyesore.
Kodaguland is also an interesting concept. Barely a hundred thousand speakers of the language, half the district stolen by favorite sons and the other half owned by Chettiars and a clutch of Kannadigas . . ..
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. I am from mysore.even being Kannadiga i like to speak all neighbouring languages including tulu.tulu is good to speak and i still love to talk in that language. My dear tulu friends ,keep a demand to make a tulu as a second official language of karnataka but dont ask for separate state.we are like mini india in india…now our CM is manya Sadananda gowda and he is also from tulunadu so its a right time to do this.All the best…..
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Kodugu, Mangalore, Udupi, kasaragodu,Brahmavar, Sakaleshpur should be added together to form Tulu Nadu
2)Tulu should be made official language with encouragement for konkani, koorgi and byari bashe
3)People should study in tulu & English and only our regional languages such as Sanskrit, koorgi, konkani and byari bashelanguages
4)Tulu news paper should be published instead of kannada news papers
5)All the people should be made aware of the need of a seperate state as it is our constitutional right
6) All those who think that a seperate state is not needed unfortunately are not aware of few important factors and are not proud of our languages and culture
7) having a seperate state is not against anybody as we will be still in India having our own state ( own identity )
Tulu Nadu should be created. Reasons
1) There are 5 dravidian languages one of them is tulu and rest all have own states.
2) As per the constitution a group of people speaking a language and having seperate culture are entitled to have seperate state
3) Tulu and tulu Nadu culture will vanish if we do not have a seperate state. Tulu nadu had become kannada maya in the last 65 years
5) Although tulunadu brings in 2nd highest income to Karnataka state hardly any of it spent on Tulu Nadu
6) There are hardly any job opportunities in Tulu Nadu and hence people migrate to other places losing manpower
7)We people from Tulu nadu do not have a seperate identiy of our own. kannada cannot be our identity and kannada is not our language
8) If kannadigas argue that seperate statehood for tulu nadu is unacceptable, they only have to go back to their history ask themselves why they seperated from tamil Nadu.
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No tulunadu state would arise…coz u most tulu people r very happily living in karnataka….i have asked many tuluvas so their answer was ‘kelavarige madoke kelasaviralla antavaru tulunadu anta concept tegitare adre namge karnataka ne chenagide ‘….so u peoples cant urge for separate state …no tulustate will be formed
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@Doddi Buddi or Totti buddi .
Your humorless reference of tulu language to a body part was derogatory.I found it to be very offensive.After all you kannadigas are ungrateful.
These commensts apply for all those kannadigas who ignore tulu.
> you dont decide whether we get a separate state or not its the central govt that will have the final word.
> Don’t think we’re idiots who are incapable of handling our own state.We might be a minority but look at the achievements we have made so far.Show me one district in karnataka that parallels
our progress.Till 1991 Udupi and dakshina kannada recorderd the highets HDI in karnataka,bangalore had to settle for the third spot.The recent HDI reports also show that we’re much much better than other districts of kannada speaking karnataka.
> you people want to chase away tamils,malyalis,northies from bangalore.so,why not support the demand for a separate tulu state,anyway you guys don’t like people who speak anything other than kannada.This is absolutely logical isn’t it.
> IS totti buddhi aware of T P kailasam,G V Iyer,G P rajaratnam,maasti venkatesh iynegars roots.I reminded this because you refer to tamilians as Kongas.Lol,Even Sir M V is not a born kannadiga.
And the so called Kongas have done better than karnataka in all aspects of economy and HDI.And tamilians are doing well in bangalore as well which is very good.
A former kannada friend of mine would always criticize tulu and mangalore for reasons unknown.One day,he started an argument with a tamilian colleague about who has contributed the most to
our country.Well,obvioulsy the tamilian had the upper hand.Right from film industry to contributions in science.The kannadiga started bragging about Karnataka being the cradle of indian banking,
the tamil said,it’s not karanataka it mangalore(He didn’t know the term south kanara).Tamil says “mangalore is just a part of karnataka but they have their own culture and people are very different from kannadigas” “I said yes,we’re not kannadigas” was I wrong?.The kannadiga was obnoxious as he felt insulted and unfrinded me from facebook.I guess he was very happy after removing a non-kannadiga with a valid reason.Every south indian knows that we are not kannadigas.Come on lets face it.
Once south kanara is separated from karanataka,The natives of karanataka will rejoice by celebrating another historical day marking their triumph over another language.
@totti buddhi sit wilth leaders like maadhe gowda and vatal nagraj(True representatives of Karanataka,I respect them wholeheartedly) to protect your culture.I’m sure you wont,manel kuth kond kaige bale tothkondu kith hogiro comment bariyodh alla.Yenadru aagthaidre “ayyo namgyak bidri” anodalla.Like minded people like totti buddhi should infact join hands with tuluvas in their struggle for a separate state.All this requires is a spark for it to spread like wildfire and consume Kannada in south kanara and thwart it completely.I hope totti buddhis and my dreams come true one day.
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@cha parka bole
u r a big drama artist. i think u may be a karnataka tamilian, just acting like a tuluva. u said ur tamil friend had upper hand in front of ur former kannada friend by comparing 2 states. Then why ur tamil friend comes from Tamil nadu to Karnataka. That point will gave you the answer. what a fun, comes for job in karnataka as lack of job availbility in TN and said Tamil nadu had upper hand. really funny….
Also u wrote as ur tamilian friend say ‘Mangalore is not Karnataka’. whatta a joke. Mangalore,Mysore,Hubli are like 2nd capitals of karnataka. U will have to very careful in acting like so..
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Don’t you know,
Kannada Sahithya Sammelana held in Mangalore in 1927, in Karwar 1931, in Madikeri 1932 that are before independence. After that in Dharma stala in 1979, Sirsi in 1982, Madikeri in 1981, Mangalore in 1997, Mudabidri in 2003, Udupi in 2008. Then is it possible for people like u to separate kannadigas and tuluvas.
Without GuruKiran, a mangalorean did kannada industry got the music, without Girish Karnad, a Konkani languagian, is it possible to get 7th Gnanapeeta for Kannada. So many such examples. Is it possible to Separate Hydrogen H2, Oxygen O from water(H2O).
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@Cha parka bale
What you said is right. IIMB Rajeev gowda says all the banks in mangalore were started by kannadigas. Tuluvas never claimed famous konkanis from mangalore as tuluvas. Why this madness of asserting every famous non-kannadiga person from karnataka as kannadiga? Let Kannadigas drop false pride.
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@cha parka bole
u r a big drama artist. I think, ur a karnataka Tamilian acts like a Tuluva. U said ur tamil friend had upper hand against ur former kannada friend in comparing 2 states. It’s a big joke. A tamilian migrate from TN due to lack of job availibility and come to Karnataka for job. And said Tamilnadu got the upper hand. Ha Ha Ha really funny. U have to be very careful in acting like so.
Other joke is Mangalore is not Karnataka. Mangalore, Mysore, Hubli, are like 2nd capitals of Karnataka.
I notice native Karnataka tamilians know more about TuluNadu then Kannadigas to divide Karnataka. i know the word tulunadu before 4-5 months back that too by bangalore tamilian in some archieve in the net.
In primary and middle schools, we study about all districts including kadagu,dakshin kannada. That made a strong impression on ours as they are ours and we are one. y do u try to divide karnataka.
If that is the case,u said, why Karnataka Unification movement starts from Kasargod? Why Kasargod people got shock when they are added in Kerala instead of Karnataka?
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cha parka bale:-
Can u pls let me know the reason for high incidence of communal riots, drug peddlers, hooliganism, underworld characters, crime, superstition, casteism and false Godmen in Mangalore?
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Wonder why this thread all of a sudden came alive.
Being a Mangalorean myself, I know there is no point to be served by the formation of Tulunadu. But, there are folks who demand it, because of the Kannada Chauvinists behaving as if Karnataka is all about just one language.
Karnataka (just like India) is a microcosm of many different sections of people. As long as we don’t get in to dividing people on the basis of their language, caste, religion etc. we won’t have sense in dividing states further (except for administrative reasons, like it was done in case of UP).
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@CPB
I don’t want to state your full moniker for the fear that the phrase itself may be a cunning reference to some unseen body parts!
Whatever you say dude is correct. Are you happy now? Now run along and play with your Tulu toys.
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@amchigele
You must be from an advanced civilization from a distant galaxy,Where logic prevails over everything.Floating in the air and making documentaries about human beings for your version of Discovery is not good enough.Touch down!I know “Roswell” was a disaster,a lump in the throat,Is that why you
tried “pumpwell” this time,or may be your Guidance system malfunctioned.Coordinates for “Roswell” 33°23’14?N 104°31’41?W.Try again.
If you’re a normal human being like people around you,consider “crawling out of the warmth of your cradle”
@Mysorean
Your attempt to decipher my ethnicity using Forensic linguistics was a debacle.I hope you’ve not rendered your expert opinion to convict someone.”Hogene”
@Toddi Buddi
Looks like Totti buddi couldn’t resist and has pooped(Exhaust) a comment.Sigh of relief!Lets see what that is:
“Now,go on and play with your tulu toys” – Ok,I had heard of channapatanna toys but not tulu toys.@totti buddi are you by any chance a tulu toys salesman,gee,I can barely imagine how you manage to go door to door,saying,what?Well,I dont know.Nowadays,women have become excessively paranoid about “Salesmen”.Watch out for boards like “Donne idhe yecharikke”.Especially in Mysore,your native.
I guess ‘Kannadikas’ of Mysore formed a good focus group.
@Kannadiga
Geleya,Kannada sahitya samelanada bagge ulekisida neevu Alvas nudisiri yanu marethubitiri.pratyeka tulunadu udayisabeku yemba ambonakke okoralinna omathavenu maardanisirallila.Adare,kelavu kidigedigalu,’kaasagiangapriyaru’ hedigalanthe yeredu baagagala madhye binnabiprayavemba vishadabeeja bithi paradeya hinde sariyuthare.Vishayaveneyirali avaravara samskruthi,aachara vicharagalannu gauravisa bekkaduddu “sabyastara lakshana”.Adakke tadvirudhavaagi nadedalli,athava nirlakshishi chuchuva maathgalanaadidare adakke sookthavaada katina pratikriyeye vyakthavaaguthadhe.A. N. Krishna Rao,Ta Ra Su,poornachandra tejaswi,SL Byrappara pusthakagalanu odidini.Ta Ra Su ravara Durgaastamana hagu durgada bage avaru bareda inethara pusthakagallanu aaswaadisidene.Nanage ariyade Avara pusthakagala daasanagibitte!Ta Ra Su ravaru Hoysalara baggeyu inastu baredidare rochakavaagiruthitu.
Koneyadaagi,nanu Kannada dweshiyalla – Aadare langu lagaam illada kelavara durabhimaana vanu kandisuthene.
Andahaage
Cha paraka Bale – e saalina artha – chaha kudiyona baniyendu,Idondu hesarantha Tulu naatakavu howdu.
Dhanyavadha,
Shubhavidya gelaya.
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Tulunad s our motherland & tulu language is our mother tongue….TULU language is entierly different & their culture too….v pride to b tuluvas, kannada language forcibly feeded by karnataka govt….so let entire TULUVAS unite & reject kannada in every aspect of life…..JAI TULUNAD STATE
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Remember folks one of the greatest kings of Vijayanagara Krishnadevaraya of the Tuluva dynasty was from coastal region. Coastal people IMO are smarter and more dynamic than the other parts of Karnataka and S Kanara and N Kanara have higher literacy and better development compared to other districts. N Karnataka on the other hand suffers from lack of water but that should not be a reason for less development – Karnataka should emulate Gujarat, also an arid state, in developing the arid parts of our state. Even if Congress/JD(S) govt comes as seems likely, they should take a lesson or two on how Narendra Modi has made full use of whatever water resources Gujarat possesses and apply the same in Karnataka.
I do believe Karnataka people should stick together whether we speak Kannada or Tulu or Kodava or Konkani language. Mangalore and Kodagu are slowly being populated by Mallus while Bangalore is having a growing Tamizh population. States like Uttar Pradesh and Bihar despite being among the least developed states enjoy enormous clout due to their huge population. By splitting Karnataka we will be putting ourselves at disadvantage vis a vis other larger states. Also, as we do not have or vote for regional parties we do not have bargaining power in the center like say Tamil Nadu that votes exclusively for DMK or AIADMK and no other party. Yeddyurappa is a corrupt man and I dont think KJP will be a success and Deve Gowda and Kumaranna (despite Dr Ramesh’s blind admiration) are no angels. So no hope for a regional outfit in near future either.
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CPB
There is a website called tululand.com in the US
See different words and phrases mean differently in languages. In fact my aunt is a Bunt!
Ree CPB good to know you love TaRaSu. I am a fan too. Swalpa humor irabekri life alli. Nimage yaavudho bootha hidikondidhe!
Can we imagine Kannada without P Kalinga Rao and Shivaram Karantha? Nimmantha ‘alpagnaru’ irowaga ee Tulunadu matthu mannu masi yella kanisutthe. h swalpa discussion serious aagidhe antha swalpa ‘Tulu’ pada ondhannu kichaisidhe astey!
Why stop at Tulunadu? make a Havyaka Nadu, Byaari Nadu, ithyadi ithaydi.
Ajith
Who is forcing Kannada on you? Relax man! Speak Tulu. I am a married man and I feel tulu most of the time. QED.
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tulus said they are discriminated in front of kannada. But fact is they
discriminating kannadigas and also they not love karnataka. When districts like belgavi,hubli,raichur,kolar are rose their voice for injustice about kaveri to karnataka even they are not in cauvery basin area, but kodagu being a birth place of cauvery don’t strike for cauvery rights of karnataka. I don’t know whether they strike or not. If they support anyone give information.
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It would be pointless to separate state based on language. It will not end, The disputes would be mainly with Tuluvas and Kannadigas speaking areas also with Malayalees. We all know ethnic Tuluvas have traditionally resided in present day Kasargod, DK, Udupi, even parts of North Kanara, and the Malnad regions: excerpt from previous note:
“The areas currently known as Dakshina Kannada and the coastal part of the adjacent district Uttara Kannada up to Gokarna are the historical Tulu Nadu. Many centuries ago the center of Tulu culture was probably in the Uttara Kannada (Honnavara), and Udupi as well as Mangalore were at the periphery. Today, however, Tulu is spoken only in the region below River Kalyanpur. The people living north of the river now speak Kannada. The reason for this is not clear in history. The region, although it maintained some form of independence, was always under the suzerainty of various rulers and dynasties that controlled Karnataka. Tulu Nadu was originally called Alvakheda (a second century C.E. reference from Greece calls it Olokhoira). Many historians agree that this is the region Emperor Ashoka referred to in his edicts as Satiyaputra, one of the four regions outside of his empire (the other three being Chola, Chera and Pandya kingdoms). ”
Today, Tulu is not as widely spoken in Kundapur, but understood. I was able to converse with many people when I was in Kundapur. But not sure about Hebri, Tulu is widely spoken there. Even in Brahmavar, Tulu is spoken .. Kundagannada or Kundapura Kannada is widely spoken in Kundapur, Brahmavar,Siddapur and Hebri. I would even say its probably spoken even further up north going towards Karwar. However, Konkani influence is more prevalent in Karwar towards the Goa border.
Having said all this, Ethnic Tuluvas reside in ALL of the TALUKS of Udupi, DK and Kasargod .. no one can deny that. Also the Kannadigas have also been here since ancient times and and they are also the sons and daughters of Tulunadu. The Tuluvas and Kannadigas here are more culturally alike then the Kannadigas of the interior.
Tulu speakers have dwindled tremendously since traditional times. When I was a kid, Tulu was spoken amongst our relatives ..then people were speaking Kannada … now it seems English is taking over. My kids, my nephews and my nieces are now speaking to me in English now. More parents are choosing English medium schools than Kannada medium. Even in Udupi, most people are speaking Kannada instead of Tulu. Really, I would say Kannada is known 100% in Udupi and DK. over 90% are literate in Kannada in Udupi and DK. The credit does not go to Kannadigas in Bangalore, but to the people of Udupi and DK who are enlightened and tolerant.
I am happy to hear of the programs that have been launched lately to teach Tulu in Schools in the area. I think they need to do more. One of the things is to add Tulu language to 8 th schedule.
Going forward, it is POINTLESS to separate from Karnataka. The recent changes to the education system means they are aware of the needs of the Tuluvas and need to preserve the language. It is our responsibility to nurture the language, make it grow. Tulu is one of the most ancient language in the world and has contributed to Indian civilization, culture and politics, to Karnataka civilization, culture and politics, to Kerala civilization, culture and politics. But, we have to face facts, Tuluvas form a small population. We need to look at the bigger picture. Being part of a larger state (Karnataka and Kerala) we can expand make others aware of our language, learn our language and even speak our language. We need to share our beautiful language to the world.
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tulus said, ‘they are discriminating’.But the fact is they are discriminating kannadigas and kannada. Not love karnataka. When districts like kolar,raichur,davanagere,hubli,belgavi protest for injustice in cauvery river issue even though they are not in cauvery basin. But kadagu people even being a birth place of cauvery river never protest on karnataka side. Till date,I don’t know. If they protest, anybody give me information
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A separate Tulunad for Tuluvers is a must. Our language is losing its prominence day by day. Also with more industries planned the picturesque greenery is under threat. It seems no one is interested in saving the ancient Tulunad environment some of which comes under the endangered Western Ghats forests.Agriculture has taken a backseat probably due to high labor costs. Landowners are selling their lands for real estate development. Land sharks & Builders are always waiting for such opportunities. By building more high-rises or malls these people tend to think that the area has developed. Never ever think that by concrete structures we can achieve development (See what has happened to Mumbai-Over-development/Slum & stagnation). With this comes the next problem of migrants. Migrants especially from the overpopulated UP & Bihar are like vermin who will seep deep inside you once they are given a chance to work in your neighborhood (See what has happened to Mumbai, Delhi -they have outgrown the Local populace).
At least by having a separate state we can have laws for protection of language, culture & environment. Some Laws to be passed needs the nod of central govt, so in hindsight it may be better if we get a autonomous Tulunad like Kashmir with article 370.
Om Sri Sai Ram
Jaya Tulunad!!!
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I only Laugh at the discussion of Separate state for South canara District and UDUPI.Ridiculous.Both districts are just don’t have Tulu People but There are lakhs of Konkanas and Kannada Speaking Brahmins.Infact South Canara is development because of banks promoted by Konkanas.Konkanas are much closer to Kannada Than Tulu.
Also lakhs of people from South Canara and Udupi are spread across Karnataka and in fact in the every street corner of Karnataka doing Hotel Business,Banking,IT..etc.Do you have any idea what will be their fate if we divide? Also SK and Canara are the Prosperous districts of Karnataka and we had 2 to 3 CMs from that Area. Many Ministers in the Karnataka Cabinet are from SK and UPUPI. Many Musicians,Actors,Directors in the Kannada film Industry are from SK and Udupi.Dharmadhkari Virendra Hegde is well respected across Karnataka. Where is the question of Injustice?
So stop this claim and leave in Harmony.
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